@@yao.aboagye I mean Embiid caught heat for something the team did, you can't take a guy out of the lineup 15 minutes before the game starts. And the 76ers rightfully got fined for it. If they knew he was legit hurt why go through all that and then have him play the Warriors? It's not the fans pushing him to play if the fans are out of the loop.
@@yao.aboagye that’s just not true. Embiid got injured because Kuminga feel on his knee. That would’ve happened with or without the game requirement. It would be different if it was like a no contact injury
@@yao.aboagye Nobody is being pushed to injury the history clearly shows back in the day players weren't resting much if at all and didn't have anywhere near the amount of injuries we have in this era. POP rested the spurs because they were OLD, Humans used to conquest and shit I highly doubt basketball is killing their bodies
Embid is not having a deserving MVP season. His style of play is down right CHEATING. He acts like he gets fouled when he doesn't actually get fouled. THAT IS CHEATING. Baiting is one thing (pump faking or using other movement to get a defender to make a mistake and legitimately foul you), faking contact, that is cheating. He's a puss
If you shit on everyone else for the other 75% of the month, 1 week really isn’t going to make a difference. Especially if you missed that week trying to get employee of the month and being injured in the job.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensenThat logic would literally only apply in sales jobs, every other job when you miss time someone has to pick up your slack so it absolutely does matter.
regarding Joel, he was picking easiest assignments and got "hurt" when harder parts of job needed to get done. And then he really got hurt, so... he will get his chance IN PLAYOFFS
And it showed. Those players were not putting their bodies on the line as the modern game demands. The injuries alone indicate that the pacing and quicker changes of direction are shredding the joints and muscles of these modern players at a higher rate.
And way more contact. Dudes were getting elbowed and beaten in the paint, yet they barely missed games. Now you got guys missing weeks for a bruised toe.
Just for a little context on this 65 game rule. 65 games is 79% of the regular season games. So people being pissed off with having to play the 65 games is like a guy being told he has to come into the work at least 4 out of 5 working days in the week and being pissed off he cant take more time off without losing bonuses and employee of the month.
@thialhoinj1971 you're lying only 5 mvps have played less then 65 games... 3 of those 5 were shortened seasons. Bill Walton was the only player to win mvp with less then 60 games without a shortened season with 58 games.
@thialhoinj1971Giannis and Malone both won mvp in shortened seasons. Clearly the rule wouldn't apply in a shortened season cmon bro. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
@thialhoinj1971if you really wanna know Bill Walton 1978 and Bob Cousy 1957 were the only two to win mvp with less then 65 games in a regular length season. That's over 40 years ago.
@thialhoinj1971 Yeah you were just plain wrong here. It would change very little about NBA history, and quite honestly, who cares if it would? Something being stupid in the past, as LOW said, isn't a reason for it to continue being stupid in the future.
Jokić 9th season 643 regular games 68 PO games, Embiid 8th season 428 regular games, 53 PO games. 1 season more - 215 games (2.6 seasons) more (15 PO games more)
From what I remember seeing at the time way before this whole 65 game controversy is that this was agreed upon between the NBA and the player union and nobody said shit, at least to this level, about it then. Now we're over halfway through the season, people are hurt, they're realizing money and awards are truly on the line and now it's "stupid" and "bullshit".
@@andrayday8064No I doesn’t. They have better training staffs, more advancements in sports medicine have been made, and they get paid 10 times more so they’re able to afford they own personal recovery treatments also.
Handling your body and style of play over 82 games is part of a basketball player's skill as well. A skill that Embiid doesn't have cause he's constantly overplaying his body.
Availability is the best abillity. The most games an MVP has missed since 1979 is Embiid last season with 16 missed games. So asking the players not to miss 17 games is more than fair and should have no actual impact in theory. The players contesting it are actual crybabies. The All NBA and defensive teams is still debatable though.
Then if they’re injured, they don’t qualify. The 65 game thing is a good thing, and if you’re not healthy enough to compete, you shouldn’t qualify. Availability is an important ability.
So if I play 60 games, and in the 22 games I missed, my team gets much worse regardless of lineups and schemes, wouldn’t that just prove my value to the team, which is the biggest factor in who wins the MVP award? Also, if you’re blaming players for certain injuries like someone else landing on them, that makes no sense as that’s essentially out of their control.
counter argument, out of those 22 games, how many games were against teams that have an over 0.500 record? You not playing against an over 0.500 team and only being available against teams with a losing records will definitely artificially increases your "value". @@legendarywiimaster
how many wins did you add that were against teams with winning records? Does losing to a team with losing records lowers your value as an MVP? So many variables @@legendarywiimaster
@@thebighoney9034 You bring up a great point. But there’s still a way to win MVP. If I’m easily the best offensive player on my team while also being the best defender or at least one of the best defenders on my team. If I play 60 games, and 25 of those games, we’re playing against a top 3 seed in either conference, and of the 22 games I’m out, my team goes against 8 top 3 teams in either conference. If when I’m playing we go 18-7, against these teams while I’m having the best basic and advanced stats while also being clutch in close games on both ends of the floor in 90% of those games, then that should prove my value. Now let’s say that when team my goes up against a top 3 seed in either conference while I’m out, they go 0-8, while going 1-6 against against 5-8 seeds in either conference, and going 2-3 against losing teams, and they get much worse on offense and worse on defense, then that clearly proves that I’m an MVP caliber player. Now obviously these are a lot of hypotheticals, but my point is if my value is sky high regardless of whoever we go against, I should be 100% be in the MVP conversation, especially if those 22 games I missed were not due to load management, but due to an injury.
Players in the 80s and 90s played 82 games getting payed 1/10th of what players today make and didnt complain about it. Today, if a player jams a finger they will sit out 2/3 weeks. I get injuries could happen and that they aren’t the players fault, but when you have Draymond talking about Embiid being forced to play despite it being his job to play basketball in the first place, it tends to sound a bit ridiculous.
Love from Serbia my BROTHER. I'm sick of listening to TV "specialists and hosts" like SAS&Co. This is ladies and gents how a real professional does his job. No lobby, no drama, no racist card, no false allegations, no nothing. He is watching games, he forms an opinion combined with statistics, and thats it. Nice theme for discuss, I would raise the bar for MVP title to 70 games... They need to play if they wanna be called the best, very simple.
In the 90s and 2000s star players use to play 80 plus games almost every year, but now 65 is too much? An they wonder why this generation is called soft 😂
Well they are jumping higher, the game is faster, they run faster, they do more overall. A scorer can't just score. So yeah, human body can't handle that much.
@@DmadPsIf all the players of today are jumping higher than ever why are Jason Richardson Shannon Brown Mugsy Boges Spud Webb etc all players from previous era's still top 10 all time in nba verticals? Michael Jordan still has the highest vertical all time, but somehow all the players of today jump higher than every previous generation? Yall just be making stuff up 😂
@@DmadPsthe best two players in the league are fat whiteboys from eastern europe. stop this bullshit lie. two "plumbers" are schooling your superathletes. I watched the 80s and 90s and 00s live. NBA players have always been incredible athletes. asking people to run a court for 48 minutes at top speed requires some incredible athleticism. the technology and steroids might be better, but the only thing that allows is for these guys to recover faster from injury or put in less time in the weight room.
You can't average 40, if you miss over 19 games and you are averaging using all 82 games and not just games played. You ever try to average in a zero? Kills.
@8:14 Hard disagree. Bronstans like to underrate Big Z, but he was an all star caliber player in his prime. Imo he is one of the greatest screeners of all time.
I think this is an amazing rule. If you ain’t durable how is that anyone’s fault?? You shouldn’t be MVP if you out here missing 20-30 games a year that shit is ridiculous to me The consistent work is apart of being an MVP
You forgot that players coming off from an injury or older players being rested in back to back games..but that 65 game rule is exactly what the league needs inorder to address this problem of resting players due to this load management started by popovich..
Honestly, the requirement will help a lot of guys win unknowingly. Missing out on that super max sucks, but it gives your team a whole lot of extra money to get you good teammates and your still going to make well over 100 million dollars over the course of a career so it’s not like it’s actually hurting them in any meaningful way. Think of Curry on that team friendly deal when the team first started to pop off.
Just for some context...Jordan played all 82 games at 37 mins per game at age 39/40. Stockton missed 22 games in 19 seasons and played all 82 games at 40/41 and 28 mins per game.
Agreed. It should be minimum 10 missed games. I feel like that's too much to ask of these divas. If you can't last a whole season then you probably don't deserve it. A special case should be made if you miss 15 games. But the way things are going, if you miss half of the season you still deserve the pay and accolades 😂.
Your point was refuted in this exact same video. Did you even watch? He didn't duck anyone. He was injured and came back against the warriors and worsened his injruy because of people like you@@zelohendricks51
Easy to put up dominant numbers in less games against weak teams and at home. How about you just take off 25 or 30 percent off someone’s overall stats depending on how many games missed?
Out injured. First game back "scheduled" against Charlotte?? Almost every time!! They hunt out weak teams like they're looking for weakest player on the court to switch WASTING ENERGY putting up 70 vs Spurs!!
First of all, her giving him 62 games is incredibly generous. Depending on how his injury pans out, he's looking at 34 games played as a maximum. So that begs the question of, so you want jo for 34 games or the 15th best player for 70 something games? I understand that's not the point in the sense that someone could have 63 or 64 games and not be eligible, but fact remains, joel is not a good example here. Personally, I think the all NBA count should be reduced by 1 in that scenario. Why give it to someone who doesn't deserve it or who is severely under qualified? Makes the award look like a joke
How about this, if we pay to watch a players and he decides hes not going to play, the NBA refunds us our money in full. I think that will solve the issue, I'm pretty sure the NBA will cut salaries if they went with this plan and the millionaires will complain about why they didn't get pay alot for sitting out games.
I agree with a lot of what Low said an I appreciate how he actually takes the full context and scope of a situation into account. I also think that injuries shouldn’t count against the players, or at least not the same as rest games. For example, Tyrese shouldn’t be treated the same as a player who is just resting games when he actually had a real injury, and the same goes for any player that is actually injured.
What about the fans who pay their hard earn money to go see the Lakers play the Clippers just to find out that Kawhi, PG, Lebron and AD are all sitting out for rest! It’s ridiculous the players made their bed abusing this load management bullshit and now they have to play 65 games or no consideration for any awards! They do d this to themselves
Than you don’t like basketball bro. Stop the crying. If you’re buying tickets to see only stars play guess what nba not for you my guy. I swear only nba fans never buy tickets to go watch the two teams on the ticket. Y’all as fans don’t deserve 82 games needs to be 70-72 games total and on set days.
@@leroyflex1258 I don’t give a fuck what you think Bro! You don’t decide who does and doesn’t like basketball! Ppl go to games and wanna see players compete at the highest level and players sit out for rest and all this other bullshit! There are plenty of players who are actually injured and need to sit out but so many players abuse the load management that it’s gotten to the point the league had to step in and make a rule against it! The players agreed to this in the CBA and now they’re whining about it! How come so many star players were able to play all 82 games or close to it in earlier eras?
@@DMitch-ny3jb players had no choice but to accept it. Because guess what they stand their ground on the cba the owners will just wait them out. And due to their contracts they can’t go work anywhere else. You don’t have to give af because you don’t watch basketball you watch for star players. You’re the reason why nba fans are the laughing stock of any sport. Guess what happens when pat mahomes is hurt? Stadium still sells out and ppl watch the game because they like FOOTBALL. if you liked basketball then it wouldn’t matter if a star player sit because everyone on that team is a professional athlete. Btw on the tickets you buy it has the teams on there not Lebron v kawhi. And dumb ass so many players were able to play that many games because basketball wasn’t a year round thing. They played other sports and had other jobs. They developed other parts of their body and gave the muscles mostly used for basketball a break. Kids now play basketball year round starting as young as 6 years old. That’s a lot of wear and tear. Also trainers overwork players and think everyone has John Stockton level of durability. Also players stand around almost never now compared to pre 2010s. Ik you don’t watch the sport you claim you like but you and other cry baby fans are trash. NFL doesn’t miss money regardless if the stars are in or not. So does hockey,Baseball, soccer, and even golf. Imagine golf fans getting mad at tiger for playing certain tours when his back started going out.
@@leroyflex1258This mfer just alienated most of the fans who pay for these "superstars" salaries. If the fans didn't want to go to games just to see their favorite players, the Euroleague or other bball leagues would have a ton of revenue.
@@dreivsall playing for their country they do make a lot of money over there. They just make more in the nba if they can and want to play. Just like when our players over here don’t cut it they make a lot of money over there in their countries currency. Those fans do show up and support regardless if they have stars or not that’s how you build a proper team. No the tv deal pays the players. Y’all pay for the “fancy arena” the billionaire owners make you and pay in two fold. At least the millionaires are working hard for their money while y’all never mad at owners.
I love this rule. In fact I think it should be more to qualify for the big accolades at the end of the season. If some guys miss some bonus money for making an all NBA team then too bad. These awards are suppose to be for regular season excellence. If you don’t play the majority of the season then you shouldn’t be included.
So sad that these basketball players over the pass 20 years are so damn soft compared to the guys from the 80's & 90's. These guys don't even try to play the full season and are always injured. MJ in his last year on the Wizards played all 82 games and was 40.
@dipe6376 They move more off ball, have more complex schemes, defense is still played, offense is just much, MUCH better. They do need to allow the defense to do more however.
Agreed on everything here LOW. I'd like to add I heard Malika Andrews say the most tone deaf shit the other day regarding Tyrese Haliburton potentially missing the 65 game threshold. She said "Tyrese Haliburton may lose out on 40 million if he doesn't play 65 games, there has to be some sort of middle ground." Like that's the most tone deaf shit ever lmfao in a country where we are in a recession with massive inflation, why should the average fan care about an NBA player (who's making around 200 million might I add) potentially missing 40 million? The players have honestly gotten their way so much that the media is trying to get the fans to feel bad about a millionaire missing out on even more millions. How the hell did we get here where guys are complaining that you have to play 65 games to win awards/incentives? Like how the hell is that too much to ask for a pro athlete? But, this is where "player empowerment" has brought us. I say all this as a player first guy, but something's gotta give. I'm not feeling sorry over millionaires missing out on millions, I'm sorry.
HOW DID WE GET TO: "Embiid can only miss 5 more games"?? WHO TALKS LIKE THAT?!?!? The average person doesn't speak in "sick days left"!!!! "Boohoo, I can only miss 1 day of work this month"???
Meh, they cried Kawhi was "load managing" but are saying Joel is hurt "this is not fair". Stephen Smith said Kawhi should retire, the flip flopping is insane
Naw y’all people who were demonizing Embiid were screaming play on a torn meniscus and treated it as bare minimum during that warriors game. When Embiid retires I don’t want to see y’all switch up either
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 trust me i won't switch, i can't speak for everyone else but i already came to terms with the inevitable end of embiid's career
Embiid is not in a position to complain. His rookie year, he only played 31 games and still made top 3 in the ROY voting. There were other rookies who were able to play, good enough to make top 3 in voting, but people still voted for Embiid. In contrast, a lot of people want to say Zion would've gotten ROY over Ja if he was healthy. It's possible, also debatable, but it doesn't matter. He was injured, and hence, he wasn't considered...nor should he have been.
ever since the 65 game rule i feel like ive seen more superstars playing and that makes me happy. i go to 20-30 home games each year and i hate when jimmy butler doesn’t want to play because his hair lady wasn’t available
The reason I don’t like the 65 game rule is simply for injury purposes. What happened with Kawhi had convinced the world that NBA players just like taking games off bc they don’t want to play. While I’m sure that’s true for some players, now we’ve created a culture for players where they might actually need 18-20 games off in a season to nurse lingering injuries and now those guys are playing hobbled and risking hurting themselves more to qualify for eligibility for awards that they deserve. That’s what I don’t want this rule to breed but it sounds like it’s already happening.
@@zelohendricks51 When the award is a difference of $40-50 million, I completely understand why dudes feel like they have to p it themselves in that position. The league should never have put them in that position for something that potentially could be out of their control when it comes to their health.
@TheProdigyB3AST Sorry but no. Stop knighting. The league isn't putting them anywhere. They are grown men and are responsible for their own actions. They're already rich. If they can't be there for their team they don't deserve the away. Life itself works this way
@@zelohendricks51 Such a BIZARRE take they have!! Michael Wilbon: "We have voters shouldn't have influence on salaries". Then your votes are meaningless!! If we IGNORE awards, why shouldn't Cade Cunningham or Jae Crowder be paid the same as Joel??
Honestly I really appreciate this video. As an athlete who’s had career altering injuries I feel a lot of these players. With rules and regulations being set AND THEY STILL MISSING GAMES it’s not funny any more players are hurt.
I love how back in the day, a player gets slammed on the floor, he still plays because he wants to win. And that was during an era where there was less focus on health and well being. Now, the science has advanced, the equipment improved and as a result improved the players, not to mention that the defensive effort has been stifled due to freedom of movement, yet they act like they were being whipped to shape. I'm 100% sure that the current NBA players wouldn't last getting bodied by Bad Boys or even Wallace lead Pistons.
If you have played 62 games, then 20 games you were 0pts, 0reb, 0ast. Add that to the averages and see if he is the best player. She is saying if he played 63 games, but that is 2 games from the line of 65 and whole 19 games away from the whole season
Nice try, my dude. I dont feel sorry for dudes making 40 million a yr over 5 yrs but lose out on 40 million in bonuses. Like endorsement doesn't exist. The 65-game rule is good. I think it should be like 70. Either that or if these dudes don't play, they don't get paid. If their truly injured, they only get 60pct of their check. If their body can't handle an 82 game season, find another job.
Bro, I'm out here making 50k a year and if I don't show up to my job for 10% of my shifts I'm toast. NBA players are out of touch with the working fans, they have zero sympathy from us.
I think the problem is people still just take games off and then are out in situations where they’re now on the line. You’re not convincing me Joel was injured every game he missed, that’s BS. So you take your games off here and there then you get actually injured or something’s actually wrong and you shouldn’t go out there and now you really can’t. Now those 3 games you took off in the first month of the season kinda matter. Yes there’s incentives, that’s not stopping guys from taking games off all like that. Same thing with when you have PTP at ya job. Yeah you’ll take a day here and there to give yourself a 3 day weekend of two-but then you get sick with the flu and missed all the rest of your paid days off. At the end of the day I’m still fine with the 65 game limit. I think they should do a 3 game provision where if you have one injury near the end of the season that causes you to miss 5 or more games and you go from say, 67 played pace to 62 games played they should let you slide. Unless you miss another game, then you’re out.
Jokic deserves it so far, but the season isn't over, and a lot can happen in the remaining 37 games. Giannis, Shai, Luka, KD, Booker or even Domantas Sabonis might deserve it by the time the regular season ends.
I think that this is the perfect Segway into a conversation about the health of NBA players and the toll the modern pacing if the sport is taking on their bodies. When the NBA has more injuries than the National CTE Association, we have a problem. I think the 65 game minimum is fine, but if these players legitimately can't stay healthy, then there's a much bigger problem at work here and it needs to be examined and discussed.
Karl Malone won MVP playing 49 GAMES Lebron won MVP playing 62 GAMES Giannis won MVP playing 63 GAMES 1. Lockout shortened season 2. Lockout shortened season 3. Covid shortened season Malone missed 1 game out of 50 (98%) Lebron missed 4 games out of 66 (94%) Giannis missed 10 games out of 73 (86%) All of them played more than the equivalent of 65/82 games (79%).
I think this discussion started when the gamblers started to get worried about their parlays and certain superstar started sitting out or missing games NBA won’t listen to the fans wanting to shorten the season, but if they losing money from another crowd then IJS
The 65 game minimum applies for all in season awards. It makes sense to formally impose a minimum # of games with the large upcoming media deal to incentivize not resting stars to to improve the product, in theory.
I am loving this rule. Lets not forget the fact that when you are great player and miss some games to rest that will more often than not help your performance because of your body had time to rest. And if you exploit that and cherry pick games you want to play that will obviously give you the edge over someone who is playing almost every other game.
I think Ernie Johnson suggested to allow players who played below that threshold should be allowed to be selected to the all nba second or third team, and I’m in favor of that
Great insights LOW! The real question is why did star players play more games 30 and 40 years ago compared to today? Teams all have chartered flights, less back to backs, longer all star break, more medical and training staff. Curious your thoughts on the reasoning?
simple solution would be to measure stats based on 82 games instead of based on how many player played, for example if player played 10 games and he scored 30 pts in each game that would be average 30*(10/10) = 30, but if he missed a game it would be 30*(9/10) = 27, if he missed 2 games it would be 30*(8/10) = 24 and so on. More games player miss his average is falling down, same for assists, rebounds etc. In this case you are measuring how player averaged based on whole regular season not just when he showed up and decided to play. Embid is averaging, not sure 36 pts now, so in case that he misses 17 games that would drop to 36*(65/82) = 28.5, same for all other players. I mean, if I don't show up at work that will still have an impact on my performance measure, but somehow it's different in sport.
I love the rule. Stars ducking road matchups sucks. They might play once in your city that year. Joel Embiid plays home games and plays against weak competition. Ducks the hard games and road games. Consistently.
So people want us to believe players today are so much better but can't even play most of the games. I don't watch hockey but someone tell me if hockey players are doing the same thing? If you can't play a minimum 65 games then you don't deserve an award. Plain and simple. This is why I wish they went by stat totals instead of stat averages when picking players for all-nba or and award Imagine if someone at your job keep getting employee of the month but only showing up for 65-70 percent of the time
You can't blame anybody besides the players themselves. None of them spoke up when ppl like Kyrie, Simmons, and Harden were holding teams hostage with their sitting out and now the league is paying the price for it.
The issue with the All-NBA part of it is the money, specifically supermax contracts. And I disagree with anyone who says "I'd rather have Embiid for 62 games than Rudy Gobert for 75." Rudy deserves more consideration for All-NBA than Embiid in that scenario because he was available to help his team more often than Embiid. Go look at their teams' records right now.
I don’t agree with either Nichols or Green. If you don’t play enough you should not be eligible for individual awards. That is not fair to the other players that did play enough. Also about Embiid decision to play against GS, you can’t blame that on the NBA. He himself and the Sixers decided he could play. If he was injured he should not have played, but apparently personal accolades are more important than the players health and the risk of him getting injured and miss significant time.
That’s part of being a professional! What makes you one of the best in the world at what you do is your ability to do it consistently on a regular basis at the highest level! What makes these great players great as the fact that they do it every night day and day out, and night and night out practice and practice out. And no other industry, can you a third of your work schedule and be rewarded for it. And yes, there’s a benchmark, a certain level that you have to perform at to be considered one of the best. And if you’re an injury and player, no one blames you for that but you shouldn’t be rewarded because you could only do it for a certain period of time. if you can’t do it the entire season, there’s no consistency injury or not. Certain players are injury prone that’s just the nature of the sport in every sport. Bill Walton was an injury prone player. Even in college. He was injury pro Sambu injury pro Ralph Sampson became injury prone after he got to the NBA. Brendan Roy, Greg Oden, Malcolm Brogdon, Joel Embiid it just happens to certain players the Riggers are playing 82 games a year is a rough one. That’s why these players earn top dollar and are considered the best in the world because they’re able to play through nagging injuries but also they take care of their bodies to a degree in which they’re able to perform night in night out! An owner if I’m going to pay you a max deal and excessive $200 million for four years I’m expecting you to play minimum 80 games a year every year !! Exceptions for funerals, childbirth, family, emergency, etc. but I’m paying you for 82 games this season. Not 65 not 59 not 72 or not just the playoffs …. I’m paying you for 82 games plus a playoff run and a championship anything less as a failure.
@1:20 THIS is the biggest problem with MVP voting, or any awards voting..... It's all based on feeling and no actual criteria for how they vote for these things. You need to give a criteria and importance for criteria so we can actually judge a player, otherwise it's all subjective, and is almost completely shielded from criticism.
Great video low. I also want to add maybe they added this rule so owners don’t pay player of potential. Like Zion is one that comes to mind. They payed him for what he can become not for what he plays rn. and that is barely available. Also how many star players played more than 65 games in a era when you can hack someone because they were cooking. 80s90s 2000s. A part of me likes this rule
The 65 game rule wasn’t really to keep people from winning awards. It was for getting star players to play in games for us. The ones who contribute to their salaries. If we don’t watch, if we don’t go to games, if we don’t buy merch. The owners can’t pay their players.
Personally find the sitting games annoying since everytime I travel somewhere I wanna go see a game, & for example in December Durant decided to sit out like 30mins before game time & the suns released a stat about attendance dropping. I get wanting to “protect” the product but it’s starting to feel like filler episodes in tv shows. At this point I’m for shortening the season of that means they’ll sit less
65 games is 80% of the season, that's like someone never rocking up to an office job one day a week and expecting praise for their work, despite everyone else working an extra 8hrs than them a week. The best ability is availability
The 65 game rule is dumb. The media already penalized players based on how many games they missed when it came to awards. What I dont like is that the option is completely removed from the voters. And while its true no one has won MVP playing less than 60 games in a full season (aside from Bill Walton), how many players have finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th place in MVP or 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team All-NBA playing under 60 games? Im willing to bet that number is much much higher. Joel Embiid playing 60 games is more deserving of an All-NBA spot than 75 games of Paul George for example. And if this isnt true, let the voters decide if its true or not based on their votes. Thats better than just wiping the option off the board entirely as if Embiid never played that season at all. And what makes this worse is that we will get cases like Haliburton and Embiid who will try to rush back from injury in order to qualify for such awards and to get extra money, and this will cause them to miss extra games anyways, defeating the original purpose and adding a problem by taking away potential money from guys. All this being said, dont hear what Im not saying. I like the intention of this rule, I want players to play more games. I just dont think the 65-game rule achieves that, and rather it causes other problems like the ones I mentioned. As a different idea, I would in favor of removing the 65-game rule, remove positionless ballots, and remove contracts depending on the results of awards voted on by the media. INSTEAD I would make contracts inherently dependent on the number of games a player plays. Thats right gamechecks. But I wouldnt make 100% of their salary spread across 82 games. I would propose like 15-25% of their salary be spread across 82 games, and if a player misses a game then they lose that gamecheck with the only exceptions being (1) a DNP-CD and (2) an injury that is genuinely and realistically preventing them from playing that is (i) approved by the team doctors, (ii) league doctors, (iii) a personal doctor. This way, if a player misses a game, they lose a gamecheck only if they decide to sit out of that game without a serious injury
You can be LeBum and play half a season and still get put on the NBA 1st Team. Playing needs to be part of the qualification for these things. MJ never started a season just to take half off for "load management" purposes. These fairies make me sick!
MVP is the most valuable player to a teams success, meaning if they’re out of rotation then the team is unsuccessful, its hard to say they’re the x-factor of success if the team is winning while they’ve missed a quarter or more of the season 🤷🏽♂️
Even gil said it on his podcast. Players dont come back from injury early because they're healthy. Theyre back because they want to PROVE theyre actually injured and shouldnt be on the court yet
To me is crazy that asking players to PLAY to win an award is somehow unfair
I mean as a rebuttal, it kinda got Embiid injured. We aren’t protecting the product or player if we’re pushing guys to injury. Just my opinion though
Value should also include availability@@yao.aboagye
@@yao.aboagye I mean Embiid caught heat for something the team did, you can't take a guy out of the lineup 15 minutes before the game starts. And the 76ers rightfully got fined for it. If they knew he was legit hurt why go through all that and then have him play the Warriors? It's not the fans pushing him to play if the fans are out of the loop.
@@yao.aboagye that’s just not true. Embiid got injured because Kuminga feel on his knee. That would’ve happened with or without the game requirement. It would be different if it was like a no contact injury
@@yao.aboagye Nobody is being pushed to injury the history clearly shows back in the day players weren't resting much if at all and didn't have anywhere near the amount of injuries we have in this era. POP rested the spurs because they were OLD, Humans used to conquest and shit I highly doubt basketball is killing their bodies
I love the 65 game rule. All we need now is more focus on defense so the league can be more enjoyable to watch.
The only thing I don't like about the 65 game rule is that I can effect player contracts with the all nba criteria, Halliburton could miss out on 40M
@@Rosinronin They are professional athletes part of their job is taking care of their bodies and being available.
@@Rosinronin idgaf bro going to earn over 100M anyways xd
Injuries are unlucky you cant be serious so if someone step in your foot its your fault? @@yan_bd
@@yan_bdplayers who aren’t injured are not sitting games by their own accord. Teams make these decisions
Bro the fact that Embidd might lose a deserving MVP a season after winning a undeserving one is an apology letter from the basketball gods 😂
Still doesn’t deserve it over Jokic, Luka or SGA this season.
Maybe he should stop being a candy ass. Dude never plays seventy games. It's ridiculous
Running up free throws against .400 teams at home isn't MVP shit. SGA, Luka, Jokic, Giannis are better candidates.
@@broncosbeat8539 They just don't though lmao. Luka doesnt have the standings. Jokic has had enough.Giannis has been choking
Embid is not having a deserving MVP season. His style of play is down right CHEATING. He acts like he gets fouled when he doesn't actually get fouled. THAT IS CHEATING. Baiting is one thing (pump faking or using other movement to get a defender to make a mistake and legitimately foul you), faking contact, that is cheating. He's a puss
Imagine missing a weeks worth of shifts and still expecting to get employee of the month😂😂😂
If you shit on everyone else for the other 75% of the month, 1 week really isn’t going to make a difference. Especially if you missed that week trying to get employee of the month and being injured in the job.
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensen What is your job experience?
@@SmittyWerbenJagermannJensenThat logic would literally only apply in sales jobs, every other job when you miss time someone has to pick up your slack so it absolutely does matter.
regarding Joel, he was picking easiest assignments and got "hurt" when harder parts of job needed to get done. And then he really got hurt, so... he will get his chance IN PLAYOFFS
NBA seasons aren't regular jobs
Jokic 3x MVP
Its 2, get over it smh
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo not after this year.
Giannis
Should be 4x
But race politics got in the way *cough* Perkins *cough*
lmao if you seriously think people voted embiid cus of race you're slow@@thetruth4654
Players back in the day used to play more games with way less access to equipment and a dietician.
older players played less games in order to get to the nba, current players have more mileage; that being said, i don't know if it aplies to Embiid
More minutes too
@@percebardo7033he didn’t start playing till HS
And it showed. Those players were not putting their bodies on the line as the modern game demands. The injuries alone indicate that the pacing and quicker changes of direction are shredding the joints and muscles of these modern players at a higher rate.
And way more contact. Dudes were getting elbowed and beaten in the paint, yet they barely missed games. Now you got guys missing weeks for a bruised toe.
Just for a little context on this 65 game rule.
65 games is 79% of the regular season games. So people being pissed off with having to play the 65 games is like a guy being told he has to come into the work at least 4 out of 5 working days in the week and being pissed off he cant take more time off without losing bonuses and employee of the month.
@thialhoinj1971 you're lying only 5 mvps have played less then 65 games... 3 of those 5 were shortened seasons. Bill Walton was the only player to win mvp with less then 60 games without a shortened season with 58 games.
@thialhoinj1971They had a shorter season too
@thialhoinj1971Giannis and Malone both won mvp in shortened seasons. Clearly the rule wouldn't apply in a shortened season cmon bro. Just admit you were wrong and move on.
@thialhoinj1971if you really wanna know Bill Walton 1978 and Bob Cousy 1957 were the only two to win mvp with less then 65 games in a regular length season. That's over 40 years ago.
@thialhoinj1971 Yeah you were just plain wrong here. It would change very little about NBA history, and quite honestly, who cares if it would? Something being stupid in the past, as LOW said, isn't a reason for it to continue being stupid in the future.
Embiid has almost missed as many games this SEASON as jokic has in his WHOLE CAREER.
Jokić 9th season 643 regular games 68 PO games, Embiid 8th season 428 regular games, 53 PO games.
1 season more - 215 games (2.6 seasons) more (15 PO games more)
@@SaleBSGNone has ring and finals MVP other has great collection of playoff chokes every year
@@noobgun12That ain’t got anything to do with what the conversation is about.
@@noobgun12what are Embiid chokes ? Game series must be listed
@@SaleBSGNThis is Embiid's 10th season since being drafted.
Being mvp is being present. Its part of being reliable dependable.
Is anyone surprised Draymond lied to prove his point lmao
Not one bit
I’m surprised he didn’t say 5 games 😂
Draymond is the same dude injurying players
From what I remember seeing at the time way before this whole 65 game controversy is that this was agreed upon between the NBA and the player union and nobody said shit, at least to this level, about it then. Now we're over halfway through the season, people are hurt, they're realizing money and awards are truly on the line and now it's "stupid" and "bullshit".
Back in the day, stars used to take pride in playing 82 games. These players don't even come close to them.
@@shamrock73It makes sense due to how much better the players have gotten but yeah they should be playing a bit more games.
Sports medicine has gotten far better so players should have no problem playing 82 games today@@andrayday8064
@@andrayday8064no it doesn’t players aren’t even physical on D let alone throw people on the ground so they should be able to play 65 games 😂
@@andrayday8064No I doesn’t. They have better training staffs, more advancements in sports medicine have been made, and they get paid 10 times more so they’re able to afford they own personal recovery treatments also.
Handling your body and style of play over 82 games is part of a basketball player's skill as well. A skill that Embiid doesn't have cause he's constantly overplaying his body.
Availability is the best abillity. The most games an MVP has missed since 1979 is Embiid last season with 16 missed games. So asking the players not to miss 17 games is more than fair and should have no actual impact in theory. The players contesting it are actual crybabies. The All NBA and defensive teams is still debatable though.
Then if they’re injured, they don’t qualify.
The 65 game thing is a good thing, and if you’re not healthy enough to compete, you shouldn’t qualify.
Availability is an important ability.
So if I play 60 games, and in the 22 games I missed, my team gets much worse regardless of lineups and schemes, wouldn’t that just prove my value to the team, which is the biggest factor in who wins the MVP award? Also, if you’re blaming players for certain injuries like someone else landing on them, that makes no sense as that’s essentially out of their control.
counter argument, out of those 22 games, how many games were against teams that have an over 0.500 record? You not playing against an over 0.500 team and only being available against teams with a losing records will definitely artificially increases your "value". @@legendarywiimaster
how many wins did you add that were against teams with winning records? Does losing to a team with losing records lowers your value as an MVP? So many variables @@legendarywiimaster
how many of those wins were because of you? How many games has you dominating your team's +/-?@@legendarywiimaster
@@thebighoney9034 You bring up a great point. But there’s still a way to win MVP. If I’m easily the best offensive player on my team while also being the best defender or at least one of the best defenders on my team. If I play 60 games, and 25 of those games, we’re playing against a top 3 seed in either conference, and of the 22 games I’m out, my team goes against 8 top 3 teams in either conference. If when I’m playing we go 18-7, against these teams while I’m having the best basic and advanced stats while also being clutch in close games on both ends of the floor in 90% of those games, then that should prove my value. Now let’s say that when team my goes up against a top 3 seed in either conference while I’m out, they go 0-8, while going 1-6 against against 5-8 seeds in either conference, and going 2-3 against losing teams, and they get much worse on offense and worse on defense, then that clearly proves that I’m an MVP caliber player. Now obviously these are a lot of hypotheticals, but my point is if my value is sky high regardless of whoever we go against, I should be 100% be in the MVP conversation, especially if those 22 games I missed were not due to load management, but due to an injury.
Players in the 80s and 90s played 82 games getting payed 1/10th of what players today make and didnt complain about it. Today, if a player jams a finger they will sit out 2/3 weeks. I get injuries could happen and that they aren’t the players fault, but when you have Draymond talking about Embiid being forced to play despite it being his job to play basketball in the first place, it tends to sound a bit ridiculous.
It does sound ridiculous! If I miss 10 days from work, I don't expect to receive incentives and accolades for that.
@@agentbrandt if I miss 12 days of work in a year I'd lose my Job outright
@@timgravelle3253not if your doctor said you couldn’t work
@@joeyhenderson1624 yes even if my Doctor said I couldn't work if I miss 12 days in a span of a year I would lose my Job
@@timgravelle3253 that’s illegal g 😭😭
Love from Serbia my BROTHER. I'm sick of listening to TV "specialists and hosts" like SAS&Co. This is ladies and gents how a real professional does his job. No lobby, no drama, no racist card, no false allegations, no nothing. He is watching games, he forms an opinion combined with statistics, and thats it. Nice theme for discuss, I would raise the bar for MVP title to 70 games... They need to play if they wanna be called the best, very simple.
Tako je brate !!!
That’s why he my favorite
Id go 75
R u just spouting stuff you hear on the internet? SAS had one of the best analysis on this situation
bruh SAS agrees with you on this why the disrespect
Expecting accolades when you show up for less than 80% of your work is laughable.
That's this new school with these weird moms that want everyone to get a trophy
@mindovomatter5181 oh yeah cause silver and bronze trophies are a new thing
Imagine not showing for work for 20% of your workdays, for whatever reason, and expecting management to go above and beyond and reward you.
In the 90s and 2000s star players use to play 80 plus games almost every year, but now 65 is too much? An they wonder why this generation is called soft 😂
Well they are jumping higher, the game is faster, they run faster, they do more overall. A scorer can't just score. So yeah, human body can't handle that much.
@@DmadPsIf all the players of today are jumping higher than ever why are Jason Richardson Shannon Brown Mugsy Boges Spud Webb etc all players from previous era's still top 10 all time in nba verticals? Michael Jordan still has the highest vertical all time, but somehow all the players of today jump higher than every previous generation? Yall just be making stuff up 😂
The game is much easier as well. Don't forget to point that one out. Guys are just softer today than they were during the 80's and 90's. @@DmadPs
@@DmadPsthe best two players in the league are fat whiteboys from eastern europe. stop this bullshit lie. two "plumbers" are schooling your superathletes. I watched the 80s and 90s and 00s live. NBA players have always been incredible athletes. asking people to run a court for 48 minutes at top speed requires some incredible athleticism. the technology and steroids might be better, but the only thing that allows is for these guys to recover faster from injury or put in less time in the weight room.
@@DmadPsthat’s the dumbest comment I ever read.
I'm 100% behind the rule because you have to show up to your job to get rewarded. But imagine u average 40 but miss the requirement by one game😭😭
You can't average 40, if you miss over 19 games and you are averaging using all 82 games and not just games played. You ever try to average in a zero? Kills.
@@orlandocardoza974 Ppg isn't by 82 games it's by games played. That being said it would still be pretty high.
@@andrayday8064if you played 64 games and averaged 40.0 ppg using all 82 games would put you at a 31.2 ppg avg which is still really high.
@@andrayday8064 best scorer, OK, but MVP? what "Valuable" means if you are not there for your team?
@8:14 Hard disagree. Bronstans like to underrate Big Z, but he was an all star caliber player in his prime. Imo he is one of the greatest screeners of all time.
Agreed. Big Z got his jersey retired for a reason. 💯
I’m all for the minimum games requirement. Being available to play for your team is part of your value to that team.
I think this is an amazing rule.
If you ain’t durable how is that anyone’s fault??
You shouldn’t be MVP if you out here missing 20-30 games a year that shit is ridiculous to me
The consistent work is apart of being an MVP
You forgot that players coming off from an injury or older players being rested in back to back games..but that 65 game rule is exactly what the league needs inorder to address this problem of resting players due to this load management started by popovich..
Honestly, the requirement will help a lot of guys win unknowingly. Missing out on that super max sucks, but it gives your team a whole lot of extra money to get you good teammates and your still going to make well over 100 million dollars over the course of a career so it’s not like it’s actually hurting them in any meaningful way. Think of Curry on that team friendly deal when the team first started to pop off.
Just for some context...Jordan played all 82 games at 37 mins per game at age 39/40. Stockton missed 22 games in 19 seasons and played all 82 games at 40/41 and 28 mins per game.
Shhhhh. Those eras were easy so that doesn't matter
We are seeing that players are getting injured more likely because they start playing so young
@@ollytropics1735nope they are just soft and you are delusional its that simple
not really context just outliers youre using lol
@@dionbomers1312 Jason Kidd, played 76 games at 40 at 27 mins per game, I can keep going
“ I can see why butler smashed “ 😂😂😂😭😭
LOW, you’re very well spoken, funny and informative. Love your content bro
The rule definitely needs to be tweaked, tweaked to 70 games, maybe even 75 games.
I agree. 65 is too nice
81 games
Agreed. It should be minimum 10 missed games. I feel like that's too much to ask of these divas. If you can't last a whole season then you probably don't deserve it. A special case should be made if you miss 15 games. But the way things are going, if you miss half of the season you still deserve the pay and accolades 😂.
Aww another common worker who life sucks due to his job wanting to feel nice seeing millionaires work hard for their money.
Aww another common worker flexing millionaires money@@leroyflex1258
Low has a good point tho Embiid has shown since the start of his career that he's never been a healthy player.
Why does he constantly duck certain teams then?
Your point was refuted in this exact same video. Did you even watch? He didn't duck anyone. He was injured and came back against the warriors and worsened his injruy because of people like you@@zelohendricks51
Ben Simmons showed that, too, with Fultz, but Fultz has been healthier than the other two. Embiid lost two seasons due to a foot injury.
Has never played in Denver since Joker been in the league
@@djjsmooth27 Actually he did in 2019, and Jokic wiped the floor with him
Bruh Lonzo wore BBB shoes for years. All leg injuries for the rest of his career should be beyond question
Imagine your average person asking for a raise and a bonus when they're on maternity/paternity leave. Their boss would laugh right in their face
Easy to put up dominant numbers in less games against weak teams and at home. How about you just take off 25 or 30 percent off someone’s overall stats depending on how many games missed?
Out injured.
First game back "scheduled" against Charlotte?? Almost every time!!
They hunt out weak teams like they're looking for weakest player on the court to switch
WASTING ENERGY putting up 70 vs Spurs!!
First of all, her giving him 62 games is incredibly generous. Depending on how his injury pans out, he's looking at 34 games played as a maximum. So that begs the question of, so you want jo for 34 games or the 15th best player for 70 something games?
I understand that's not the point in the sense that someone could have 63 or 64 games and not be eligible, but fact remains, joel is not a good example here.
Personally, I think the all NBA count should be reduced by 1 in that scenario. Why give it to someone who doesn't deserve it or who is severely under qualified? Makes the award look like a joke
Best ability is availability
Maybe they can just add a second MVP award call it the "load management MVP", for players who can't handle playing 65 games.
"You came so close" award 😂😊
Goat Kawai would've had like 4 of those
How about this, if we pay to watch a players and he decides hes not going to play, the NBA refunds us our money in full. I think that will solve the issue, I'm pretty sure the NBA will cut salaries if they went with this plan and the millionaires will complain about why they didn't get pay alot for sitting out games.
I agree with a lot of what Low said an I appreciate how he actually takes the full context and scope of a situation into account. I also think that injuries shouldn’t count against the players, or at least not the same as rest games. For example, Tyrese shouldn’t be treated the same as a player who is just resting games when he actually had a real injury, and the same goes for any player that is actually injured.
What about the fans who pay their hard earn money to go see the Lakers play the Clippers just to find out that Kawhi, PG, Lebron and AD are all sitting out for rest! It’s ridiculous the players made their bed abusing this load management bullshit and now they have to play 65 games or no consideration for any awards! They do d this to themselves
Than you don’t like basketball bro. Stop the crying. If you’re buying tickets to see only stars play guess what nba not for you my guy.
I swear only nba fans never buy tickets to go watch the two teams on the ticket.
Y’all as fans don’t deserve 82 games needs to be 70-72 games total and on set days.
@@leroyflex1258 I don’t give a fuck what you think Bro! You don’t decide who does and doesn’t like basketball! Ppl go to games and wanna see players compete at the highest level and players sit out for rest and all this other bullshit! There are plenty of players who are actually injured and need to sit out but so many players abuse the load management that it’s gotten to the point the league had to step in and make a rule against it! The players agreed to this in the CBA and now they’re whining about it! How come so many star players were able to play all 82 games or close to it in earlier eras?
@@DMitch-ny3jb players had no choice but to accept it. Because guess what they stand their ground on the cba the owners will just wait them out.
And due to their contracts they can’t go work anywhere else.
You don’t have to give af because you don’t watch basketball you watch for star players.
You’re the reason why nba fans are the laughing stock of any sport.
Guess what happens when pat mahomes is hurt? Stadium still sells out and ppl watch the game because they like FOOTBALL.
if you liked basketball then it wouldn’t matter if a star player sit because everyone on that team is a professional athlete.
Btw on the tickets you buy it has the teams on there not Lebron v kawhi.
And dumb ass so many players were able to play that many games because basketball wasn’t a year round thing. They played other sports and had other jobs. They developed other parts of their body and gave the muscles mostly used for basketball a break.
Kids now play basketball year round starting as young as 6 years old. That’s a lot of wear and tear.
Also trainers overwork players and think everyone has John Stockton level of durability.
Also players stand around almost never now compared to pre 2010s.
Ik you don’t watch the sport you claim you like but you and other cry baby fans are trash.
NFL doesn’t miss money regardless if the stars are in or not.
So does hockey,Baseball, soccer, and even golf.
Imagine golf fans getting mad at tiger for playing certain tours when his back started going out.
@@leroyflex1258This mfer just alienated most of the fans who pay for these "superstars" salaries. If the fans didn't want to go to games just to see their favorite players, the Euroleague or other bball leagues would have a ton of revenue.
@@dreivsall playing for their country they do make a lot of money over there. They just make more in the nba if they can and want to play.
Just like when our players over here don’t cut it they make a lot of money over there in their countries currency.
Those fans do show up and support regardless if they have stars or not that’s how you build a proper team.
No the tv deal pays the players. Y’all pay for the “fancy arena” the billionaire owners make you and pay in two fold.
At least the millionaires are working hard for their money while y’all never mad at owners.
The Load Management Association
Players weren't load managing back in the day either
I love this rule. In fact I think it should be more to qualify for the big accolades at the end of the season. If some guys miss some bonus money for making an all NBA team then too bad. These awards are suppose to be for regular season excellence. If you don’t play the majority of the season then you shouldn’t be included.
So sad that these basketball players over the pass 20 years are so damn soft compared to the guys from the 80's & 90's. These guys don't even try to play the full season and are always injured. MJ in his last year on the Wizards played all 82 games and was 40.
Basketball wasn't as high level
Sure buddy ,playing 0 defense is high level right😂@@Intr0vertical
@dipe6376 They move more off ball, have more complex schemes, defense is still played, offense is just much, MUCH better. They do need to allow the defense to do more however.
Agreed on everything here LOW. I'd like to add I heard Malika Andrews say the most tone deaf shit the other day regarding Tyrese Haliburton potentially missing the 65 game threshold. She said "Tyrese Haliburton may lose out on 40 million if he doesn't play 65 games, there has to be some sort of middle ground." Like that's the most tone deaf shit ever lmfao in a country where we are in a recession with massive inflation, why should the average fan care about an NBA player (who's making around 200 million might I add) potentially missing 40 million? The players have honestly gotten their way so much that the media is trying to get the fans to feel bad about a millionaire missing out on even more millions. How the hell did we get here where guys are complaining that you have to play 65 games to win awards/incentives? Like how the hell is that too much to ask for a pro athlete? But, this is where "player empowerment" has brought us. I say all this as a player first guy, but something's gotta give. I'm not feeling sorry over millionaires missing out on millions, I'm sorry.
HOW DID WE GET TO:
"Embiid can only miss 5 more games"??
WHO TALKS LIKE THAT?!?!?
The average person doesn't speak in "sick days left"!!!!
"Boohoo, I can only miss 1 day of work this month"???
I'd add you'd have to play majority games against teams above .500 to be mvp just to add more spice.
Meh, they cried Kawhi was "load managing" but are saying Joel is hurt "this is not fair".
Stephen Smith said Kawhi should retire, the flip flopping is insane
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Ofc because they are delusional and want views so suckers like us will get mad at this fucking rigged league and their delusional players
If a grown man can't manage his body and is forcing himself to play then thats on him like aint nobody got a gun to they head😂😂
Naw y’all people who were demonizing Embiid were screaming play on a torn meniscus and treated it as bare minimum during that warriors game. When Embiid retires I don’t want to see y’all switch up either
@@sinsoreshippromotesconform8218 trust me i won't switch, i can't speak for everyone else but i already came to terms with the inevitable end of embiid's career
Embiid is not in a position to complain. His rookie year, he only played 31 games and still made top 3 in the ROY voting. There were other rookies who were able to play, good enough to make top 3 in voting, but people still voted for Embiid.
In contrast, a lot of people want to say Zion would've gotten ROY over Ja if he was healthy. It's possible, also debatable, but it doesn't matter. He was injured, and hence, he wasn't considered...nor should he have been.
Luka is the only right answer for MVP
Bro in the play-in and if he stays there he not getting it
Jokic
ever since the 65 game rule i feel like ive seen more superstars playing and that makes me happy. i go to 20-30 home games each year and i hate when jimmy butler doesn’t want to play because his hair lady wasn’t available
thanks to this rule, this year alone i’ve seen lebron, AD, KD, booker, tatum, kp, fox, embiid, maxey, gianni’s, dame, and much more. i love the rule.
You have to ask yourself... What statline could achieve Jokic playing 40min just the easy games and resting pretty much all the top teams on the road?
33/16/14 on 63% shooting
With far less free throws.
@@Nidzadrugar yeah... That's fair...
Glad to see your channel is growing fast. Keep em coming.
The reason I don’t like the 65 game rule is simply for injury purposes. What happened with Kawhi had convinced the world that NBA players just like taking games off bc they don’t want to play. While I’m sure that’s true for some players, now we’ve created a culture for players where they might actually need 18-20 games off in a season to nurse lingering injuries and now those guys are playing hobbled and risking hurting themselves more to qualify for eligibility for awards that they deserve. That’s what I don’t want this rule to breed but it sounds like it’s already happening.
What's more important? Your health or the award? Adults know the answer to that
@@zelohendricks51 When the award is a difference of $40-50 million, I completely understand why dudes feel like they have to p it themselves in that position. The league should never have put them in that position for something that potentially could be out of their control when it comes to their health.
@TheProdigyB3AST Sorry but no. Stop knighting. The league isn't putting them anywhere. They are grown men and are responsible for their own actions. They're already rich. If they can't be there for their team they don't deserve the away. Life itself works this way
NOBODY "DESERVES" ANYTHING!!
You deserved what you get!!
"I deserve to be All NBA" is ENTITLEMENT!!
"I made the All NBA Team" is deserved.
@@zelohendricks51
Such a BIZARRE take they have!!
Michael Wilbon: "We have voters shouldn't have influence on salaries".
Then your votes are meaningless!!
If we IGNORE awards, why shouldn't Cade Cunningham or Jae Crowder be paid the same as Joel??
Honestly I really appreciate this video. As an athlete who’s had career altering injuries I feel a lot of these players. With rules and regulations being set AND THEY STILL MISSING GAMES it’s not funny any more players are hurt.
This is why this is a dying league. You get paid to play 82 games and you mean asking for you to show up to work for 65 games is to much. Sigh.
I love how back in the day, a player gets slammed on the floor, he still plays because he wants to win. And that was during an era where there was less focus on health and well being.
Now, the science has advanced, the equipment improved and as a result improved the players, not to mention that the defensive effort has been stifled due to freedom of movement, yet they act like they were being whipped to shape. I'm 100% sure that the current NBA players wouldn't last getting bodied by Bad Boys or even Wallace lead Pistons.
The job description says 82 games! Play all 82 games like players used to and they made the playoffs! Jeez
If you have played 62 games, then 20 games you were 0pts, 0reb, 0ast. Add that to the averages and see if he is the best player. She is saying if he played 63 games, but that is 2 games from the line of 65 and whole 19 games away from the whole season
People have been doing this the entire time, the only difference is, it’s official now.
🎯
The fact that this man provides better takes than 95% of sports analysts, speaks to the state of media we are in. Put this man up there on espn.
Nice try, my dude. I dont feel sorry for dudes making 40 million a yr over 5 yrs but lose out on 40 million in bonuses. Like endorsement doesn't exist. The 65-game rule is good. I think it should be like 70. Either that or if these dudes don't play, they don't get paid. If their truly injured, they only get 60pct of their check. If their body can't handle an 82 game season, find another job.
Bro, I'm out here making 50k a year and if I don't show up to my job for 10% of my shifts I'm toast. NBA players are out of touch with the working fans, they have zero sympathy from us.
If u are genuinely hurt u shouldn’t play simple
I think fans should get discounted tickets if star players take the day off.
Is that really u cowman. 😂
No
A man of many of words
I think the problem is people still just take games off and then are out in situations where they’re now on the line. You’re not convincing me Joel was injured every game he missed, that’s BS. So you take your games off here and there then you get actually injured or something’s actually wrong and you shouldn’t go out there and now you really can’t. Now those 3 games you took off in the first month of the season kinda matter. Yes there’s incentives, that’s not stopping guys from taking games off all like that. Same thing with when you have PTP at ya job. Yeah you’ll take a day here and there to give yourself a 3 day weekend of two-but then you get sick with the flu and missed all the rest of your paid days off. At the end of the day I’m still fine with the 65 game limit. I think they should do a 3 game provision where if you have one injury near the end of the season that causes you to miss 5 or more games and you go from say, 67 played pace to 62 games played they should let you slide. Unless you miss another game, then you’re out.
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Luka MVP
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Jokic deserves it so far, but the season isn't over, and a lot can happen in the remaining 37 games. Giannis, Shai, Luka, KD, Booker or even Domantas Sabonis might deserve it by the time the regular season ends.
@@PlanetOfTheApes999that's fair.
I think that this is the perfect Segway into a conversation about the health of NBA players and the toll the modern pacing if the sport is taking on their bodies. When the NBA has more injuries than the National CTE Association, we have a problem. I think the 65 game minimum is fine, but if these players legitimately can't stay healthy, then there's a much bigger problem at work here and it needs to be examined and discussed.
Imo shai should be mvp
😂Hell no, Luka averaging better everything
@@MRulli427i’m a dallas fan but they ain’t givin it to luka
he already is the mvp of free throws
Nah that’s Embiid
@@MRulli427 luka stuck in the play-in. Pretty sure he’s not getting it
That pic of Embiid is mad sassy coz the whole Rachel Nichols video has got be most insane skin smoothing filter on it lol
Karl Malone won MVP playing 49 GAMES
Lebron won MVP playing 62 GAMES
Giannis won MVP playing 63 GAMES
1. Lockout shortened season
2. Lockout shortened season
3. Covid shortened season
Malone missed 1 game out of 50 (98%)
Lebron missed 4 games out of 66 (94%)
Giannis missed 10 games out of 73 (86%)
All of them played more than the equivalent of 65/82 games (79%).
Watching this as it’s announced that Embiid’s got a torn meniscus 🧍🏾♂️. I still agree, it’s just ironic dawg 😭
I think this discussion started when the gamblers started to get worried about their parlays and certain superstar started sitting out or missing games
NBA won’t listen to the fans wanting to shorten the season, but if they losing money from another crowd then IJS
Jamaal MacGloire making a all start team with 13 & 10 was wild
The 65 game minimum applies for all in season awards. It makes sense to formally impose a minimum # of games with the large upcoming media deal to incentivize not resting stars to to improve the product, in theory.
I am loving this rule. Lets not forget the fact that when you are great player and miss some games to rest that will more often than not help your performance because of your body had time to rest. And if you exploit that and cherry pick games you want to play that will obviously give you the edge over someone who is playing almost every other game.
I think Ernie Johnson suggested to allow players who played below that threshold should be allowed to be selected to the all nba second or third team, and I’m in favor of that
Great insights LOW! The real question is why did star players play more games 30 and 40 years ago compared to today? Teams all have chartered flights, less back to backs, longer all star break, more medical and training staff. Curious your thoughts on the reasoning?
simple solution would be to measure stats based on 82 games instead of based on how many player played, for example if player played 10 games and he scored 30 pts in each game that would be average 30*(10/10) = 30, but if he missed a game it would be 30*(9/10) = 27, if he missed 2 games it would be 30*(8/10) = 24 and so on. More games player miss his average is falling down, same for assists, rebounds etc. In this case you are measuring how player averaged based on whole regular season not just when he showed up and decided to play. Embid is averaging, not sure 36 pts now, so in case that he misses 17 games that would drop to 36*(65/82) = 28.5, same for all other players. I mean, if I don't show up at work that will still have an impact on my performance measure, but somehow it's different in sport.
Even for actual injuries?
Why does Embiid have so many water carriers in the media? Of course asking people to play 80% of the season is fair.
I love the rule. Stars ducking road matchups sucks. They might play once in your city that year. Joel Embiid plays home games and plays against weak competition. Ducks the hard games and road games. Consistently.
So people want us to believe players today are so much better but can't even play most of the games.
I don't watch hockey but someone tell me if hockey players are doing the same thing?
If you can't play a minimum 65 games then you don't deserve an award. Plain and simple.
This is why I wish they went by stat totals instead of stat averages when picking players for all-nba or and award
Imagine if someone at your job keep getting employee of the month but only showing up for 65-70 percent of the time
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I think the only issue is the all-NBA selections impacting contracts in the future. But to be fair that was an issue before the 65 game rule so idk
You can't blame anybody besides the players themselves. None of them spoke up when ppl like Kyrie, Simmons, and Harden were holding teams hostage with their sitting out and now the league is paying the price for it.
The issue with the All-NBA part of it is the money, specifically supermax contracts. And I disagree with anyone who says "I'd rather have Embiid for 62 games than Rudy Gobert for 75." Rudy deserves more consideration for All-NBA than Embiid in that scenario because he was available to help his team more often than Embiid. Go look at their teams' records right now.
I don’t agree with either Nichols or Green. If you don’t play enough you should not be eligible for individual awards. That is not fair to the other players that did play enough.
Also about Embiid decision to play against GS, you can’t blame that on the NBA. He himself and the Sixers decided he could play. If he was injured he should not have played, but apparently personal accolades are more important than the players health and the risk of him getting injured and miss significant time.
That’s part of being a professional! What makes you one of the best in the world at what you do is your ability to do it consistently on a regular basis at the highest level! What makes these great players great as the fact that they do it every night day and day out, and night and night out practice and practice out.
And no other industry, can you a third of your work schedule and be rewarded for it.
And yes, there’s a benchmark, a certain level that you have to perform at to be considered one of the best. And if you’re an injury and player, no one blames you for that but you shouldn’t be rewarded because you could only do it for a certain period of time. if you can’t do it the entire season, there’s no consistency injury or not. Certain players are injury prone that’s just the nature of the sport in every sport.
Bill Walton was an injury prone player. Even in college. He was injury pro Sambu injury pro Ralph Sampson became injury prone after he got to the NBA. Brendan Roy, Greg Oden, Malcolm Brogdon, Joel Embiid it just happens to certain players the Riggers are playing 82 games a year is a rough one. That’s why these players earn top dollar and are considered the best in the world because they’re able to play through nagging injuries but also they take care of their bodies to a degree in which they’re able to perform night in night out!
An owner if I’m going to pay you a max deal and excessive $200 million for four years I’m expecting you to play minimum 80 games a year every year !!
Exceptions for funerals, childbirth, family, emergency, etc. but I’m paying you for 82 games this season. Not 65 not 59 not 72 or not just the playoffs …. I’m paying you for 82 games plus a playoff run and a championship anything less as a failure.
@1:20 THIS is the biggest problem with MVP voting, or any awards voting..... It's all based on feeling and no actual criteria for how they vote for these things. You need to give a criteria and importance for criteria so we can actually judge a player, otherwise it's all subjective, and is almost completely shielded from criticism.
Great video low. I also want to add maybe they added this rule so owners don’t pay player of potential. Like Zion is one that comes to mind. They payed him for what he can become not for what he plays rn. and that is barely available. Also how many star players played more than 65 games in a era when you can hack someone because they were cooking. 80s90s 2000s. A part of me likes this rule
You have to play games to win awards. Crazy right. For me the requirement should be upped to 70 games.
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The 65 game rule wasn’t really to keep people from winning awards. It was for getting star players to play in games for us. The ones who contribute to their salaries. If we don’t watch, if we don’t go to games, if we don’t buy merch. The owners can’t pay their players.
Personally find the sitting games annoying since everytime I travel somewhere I wanna go see a game, & for example in December Durant decided to sit out like 30mins before game time & the suns released a stat about attendance dropping. I get wanting to “protect” the product but it’s starting to feel like filler episodes in tv shows. At this point I’m for shortening the season of that means they’ll sit less
65 games is 80% of the season, that's like someone never rocking up to an office job one day a week and expecting praise for their work, despite everyone else working an extra 8hrs than them a week. The best ability is availability
The 65 game rule is dumb.
The media already penalized players based on how many games they missed when it came to awards. What I dont like is that the option is completely removed from the voters. And while its true no one has won MVP playing less than 60 games in a full season (aside from Bill Walton), how many players have finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th place in MVP or 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Team All-NBA playing under 60 games? Im willing to bet that number is much much higher.
Joel Embiid playing 60 games is more deserving of an All-NBA spot than 75 games of Paul George for example. And if this isnt true, let the voters decide if its true or not based on their votes. Thats better than just wiping the option off the board entirely as if Embiid never played that season at all.
And what makes this worse is that we will get cases like Haliburton and Embiid who will try to rush back from injury in order to qualify for such awards and to get extra money, and this will cause them to miss extra games anyways, defeating the original purpose and adding a problem by taking away potential money from guys.
All this being said, dont hear what Im not saying. I like the intention of this rule, I want players to play more games. I just dont think the 65-game rule achieves that, and rather it causes other problems like the ones I mentioned.
As a different idea, I would in favor of removing the 65-game rule, remove positionless ballots, and remove contracts depending on the results of awards voted on by the media. INSTEAD I would make contracts inherently dependent on the number of games a player plays. Thats right gamechecks. But I wouldnt make 100% of their salary spread across 82 games. I would propose like 15-25% of their salary be spread across 82 games, and if a player misses a game then they lose that gamecheck with the only exceptions being (1) a DNP-CD and (2) an injury that is genuinely and realistically preventing them from playing that is (i) approved by the team doctors, (ii) league doctors, (iii) a personal doctor. This way, if a player misses a game, they lose a gamecheck only if they decide to sit out of that game without a serious injury
Difference between this year and last year Embid was actually earning the MVP last year was giving to him
You can be LeBum and play half a season and still get put on the NBA 1st Team. Playing needs to be part of the qualification for these things. MJ never started a season just to take half off for "load management" purposes. These fairies make me sick!
MVP is the most valuable player to a teams success, meaning if they’re out of rotation then the team is unsuccessful, its hard to say they’re the x-factor of success if the team is winning while they’ve missed a quarter or more of the season 🤷🏽♂️
Even gil said it on his podcast. Players dont come back from injury early because they're healthy. Theyre back because they want to PROVE theyre actually injured and shouldnt be on the court yet