Very much loving your Ancient Greek channel! Could you maybe point to any credible sources that discusses the AD 50 Learned Koine pronunciation (that you use in the first half of the video)? I very much want to learn that pronunciation but it's VERY difficult to find resources for it on UA-cam it seems. Everyone is either teaching Erasmian or Lucian here 🥲
Excellent video! are you going to dub all her videos in Lucian? I don`t know if you could accept requests, but I would like to see someone dubbing Comenius' work(At least the Orbis pictus and the Vestibulum) in Lucian pronunciation. That probably would be a lot of work, but you would be invaluable to the greek learning community, starting by me :D. Wish I could support you in such endeavors, but all I can offer now is my like and my comment :)
Yes! I'm planning on dubbing all the Alpha with Angela videos in Lucian. I've gotten up to video lesson #3 so far, but just giving them a little brush up with editing before re-posting them here. I thought Comenius' work was only in Latin? I didn't know he had Ancient Greek editions. So just now I went and searched and found someone's pdf of it all translated into Greek. That would be interesting as a possible Greek CI project, but it might be some time before I get around to it. :)
@@foundinantiquityancientgre8010 That would be great! I had been hoping/looking for more Lucian (or at least non-Erasmian) versions of comprehensible input videos.
Her lessons seem to focus on Biblical Greek. Are they basic enough that they would mostly apply to Attic Greek too, or are they really specifically just for learning Koine Greek?
what is the Greek form of the word "Keenee" for "Koinay"? Just heard of that today, smh. I found a teacher who seems to stress pitch and accents, like yourself; he read beautifully, connecting the next word over, just as you do. Then he made a huge point of saying "it's KEE-NEE, not KOY-nay", like several times in a row before moving on. Wondering which form of Greek I will be teaching myself. TIA.
Greetings. I'm learning Koine Greek purely to read the Bible in its original language, by teaching myself, using Prof Dave Black's "Learn to Read New Testament Greek" and his free UA-cam Series covering all the chapters. The reason people reading the Bible learn the Erasmian pronunciation is that the majority of Seminaries rightly or wrongly teach the Erasmian pronunciation. So to be understood by anyone who has been learnt Koine Greek to read the Bible will almost be exclusively Erasmian. If I get the opportunity, I might practice the reconstructed Koine Greek pronunciation, but it's difficult enough already to learn the basic vocabulary, when everyone teaching to read the Bible is using Erasmian. Having to learn a different pronunciation when all the videos are in the Erasmian pronunciation is really making it harder for oneself.
I'm somewhat confused as when I learned (admittedly by reading) the Erasmian pronunciation I was well under the impression that the X is pronounced Kh, and I also thought that the "H" sound did not come into being until either the Byzantine or modern period. Tbh, pronunciation is by no means my expertise, when asking redditors what my pronunciation most resembled, I was told "heavy Erasmian" and considering my prior lack of proper accentuation, I assume it was just a nice way of saying that I was butchering the Greek language.
She was using the Attic dialect of ancient Greek where φ, θ, and χ are aspirated versions of π, τ, and κ. I prefer a pronunciation that is closer to modern Greek like the Lucian pronunciation.
Wow - I was just hoping for EXACTLY THIS. I was even considering doing it myself, but it would be weird to hear a man's voice coming out of Angela's mouth :)
I spent way too much time on chasing “the perfect Koine Greek accent” after starting out with Erasmian pronunciation using pitch accent and phonemic vowel length. After several months and much frustration I found that Lucian pronunciation is so close to well pronounced Erasmian (using fricative δ and γ) that the difference is hardly detectable. After throwing my poor Greek book into a wall, I walked away from studying it for a while. I started up again with “refined Erasmian” (which, like Angela’s sounds just fine.)I found a video of The Lord’s Prayer in Modern Greek. If you can duplicate the “quality of sound” of that pronunciation, then Erasmian and Lucian both sound Greek with a slight accent. The only significant difference is the diphthong “ει” (which comes out sounding like “ε” in a fluent reading. (You need a sharp ear to catch it.) I’ve had some arguments with “Erasmian” speakers who seem to use it as an excuse to mutilate Greek. (I tell them that I’m using Lucian). It’s not worth frustration and a smashed book to find the “perfect” pronunciation. One other thing that I noticed is that Italian and Spanish speakers generally have the best Erasmian pronunciation. English speakers are the worst. (With some being extremely cringe! 😮)
Sorry to sound abrasive, but IMO, it would be unnatural if Angela cared very much about the actual historical truth about how Ancient Greek sounded at any point. After all, the mission of her videos is to help spread Christianity, and that presupposes not caring about countless other historical facts, too. If she can ignore, say, the fact that the history of the world didn't start in the way described in Genesis, of course she can ignore some tiny details about the history of Greek phonetics.
Thank you for redubbing these!
I would love more of these dubs ❤
I like her videos but prefer your pronunciation 😊
0:00 Introduction
2:41 Koine pronunciation
15:01 Lucian pronunciation
26:51 critique of Erasmian pronunciation
Thank you! I'll add those chapters!
Very much loving your Ancient Greek channel!
Could you maybe point to any credible sources that discusses the AD 50 Learned Koine pronunciation (that you use in the first half of the video)? I very much want to learn that pronunciation but it's VERY difficult to find resources for it on UA-cam it seems. Everyone is either teaching Erasmian or Lucian here 🥲
Excellent video! are you going to dub all her videos in Lucian?
I don`t know if you could accept requests, but I would like to see someone dubbing Comenius' work(At least the Orbis pictus and the Vestibulum) in Lucian pronunciation. That probably would be a lot of work, but you would be invaluable to the greek learning community, starting by me :D. Wish I could support you in such endeavors, but all I can offer now is my like and my comment :)
Yes! I'm planning on dubbing all the Alpha with Angela videos in Lucian. I've gotten up to video lesson #3 so far, but just giving them a little brush up with editing before re-posting them here.
I thought Comenius' work was only in Latin? I didn't know he had Ancient Greek editions. So just now I went and searched and found someone's pdf of it all translated into Greek. That would be interesting as a possible Greek CI project, but it might be some time before I get around to it. :)
@@foundinantiquityancientgre8010 That would be great! I had been hoping/looking for more Lucian (or at least non-Erasmian) versions of comprehensible input videos.
Hello, thanks a lot... Is it possible to dub also each lesson in Koine ?
Thanks for this comparison and explanation
Enhorabuena por el vídeo.
The first four animal names make sense if you speak French (for the horse, cf. hippomobile). I have not watched the rest yet.
Super cool!
Her lessons seem to focus on Biblical Greek. Are they basic enough that they would mostly apply to Attic Greek too, or are they really specifically just for learning Koine Greek?
It might just be me, but when you say /çøyros/, it sounds more like /çœyros/ to me (my ears could be playing tricks on me)
what is the Greek form of the word "Keenee" for "Koinay"? Just heard of that today, smh. I found a teacher who seems to stress pitch and accents, like yourself; he read beautifully, connecting the next word over, just as you do. Then he made a huge point of saying "it's KEE-NEE, not KOY-nay", like several times in a row before moving on. Wondering which form of Greek I will be teaching myself. TIA.
Unfortunately my university had Erasmian pronunciation, though I tried to some degree to be more authentic.
Greetings. I'm learning Koine Greek purely to read the Bible in its original language, by teaching myself, using Prof Dave Black's "Learn to Read New Testament Greek" and his free UA-cam Series covering all the chapters. The reason people reading the Bible learn the Erasmian pronunciation is that the majority of Seminaries rightly or wrongly teach the Erasmian pronunciation. So to be understood by anyone who has been learnt Koine Greek to read the Bible will almost be exclusively Erasmian. If I get the opportunity, I might practice the reconstructed Koine Greek pronunciation, but it's difficult enough already to learn the basic vocabulary, when everyone teaching to read the Bible is using Erasmian. Having to learn a different pronunciation when all the videos are in the Erasmian pronunciation is really making it harder for oneself.
I'm somewhat confused as when I learned (admittedly by reading) the Erasmian pronunciation I was well under the impression that the X is pronounced Kh, and I also thought that the "H" sound did not come into being until either the Byzantine or modern period. Tbh, pronunciation is by no means my expertise, when asking redditors what my pronunciation most resembled, I was told "heavy Erasmian" and considering my prior lack of proper accentuation, I assume it was just a nice way of saying that I was butchering the Greek language.
She sounds like speaking some Scandinavian language.
Χοίρος Koiros?? You must be joking!!
She was using the Attic dialect of ancient Greek where φ, θ, and χ are aspirated versions of π, τ, and κ. I prefer a pronunciation that is closer to modern Greek like the Lucian pronunciation.
Wow - I was just hoping for EXACTLY THIS. I was even considering doing it myself, but it would be weird to hear a man's voice coming out of Angela's mouth :)
I spent way too much time on chasing “the perfect Koine Greek accent” after starting out with Erasmian pronunciation using pitch accent and phonemic vowel length. After several months and much frustration I found that Lucian pronunciation is so close to well pronounced Erasmian (using fricative δ and γ) that the difference is hardly detectable. After throwing my poor Greek book into a wall, I walked away from studying it for a while. I started up again with “refined Erasmian” (which, like Angela’s sounds just fine.)I found a video of The Lord’s Prayer in Modern Greek. If you can duplicate the “quality of sound” of that pronunciation, then Erasmian and Lucian both sound Greek with a slight accent. The only significant difference is the diphthong “ει” (which comes out sounding like “ε” in a fluent reading. (You need a sharp ear to catch it.) I’ve had some arguments with “Erasmian” speakers who seem to use it as an excuse to mutilate Greek. (I tell them that I’m using Lucian). It’s not worth frustration and a smashed book to find the “perfect” pronunciation. One other thing that I noticed is that Italian and Spanish speakers generally have the best Erasmian pronunciation. English speakers are the worst. (With some being extremely cringe! 😮)
Sorry to sound abrasive, but IMO, it would be unnatural if Angela cared very much about the actual historical truth about how Ancient Greek sounded at any point. After all, the mission of her videos is to help spread Christianity, and that presupposes not caring about countless other historical facts, too. If she can ignore, say, the fact that the history of the world didn't start in the way described in Genesis, of course she can ignore some tiny details about the history of Greek phonetics.