So, what are your thoughts on my list? Do you agree with my points? Disagree? Let me know in the comments below and maybe even take a shot at ranking the games yourself. As always, I will be reading and responding to as many comments as I can!
I agree when you said team dark has the best dynamic this dialogue alone proves it Omega: enemy robots detected ahead Shadow: careful how you take them out you don’t want to catch their ligma Omega: what is ligma? Shadow: ligma balls Shadow: that was a joke. You guys can laugh. Omega: Do not understand. Explain the joke. Shadow: Ehh, if you explain, it’s not really funny… Omega: Explain the joke Shadow: ugh, fine okay, well, uh… Ligma isn’t a thing so naturally, you ask… what is ligma? And I say ligma balls which sound like lick my balls which is funny because you wouldn’t do that, probably Omega: I lack organs for licking Shadow: No; not you wouldn’t because you can’t you wouldn’t because it’s gay? I think? Shadow: Am I being homophobic? Omega: comprehension error, To install humor driver insert the correct CDs Shadow: what CDs? Omega: SEE DEEZ NUTS Shadow: oh my God Omega: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Shadow: I should have stayed dead
I’ve been researching on Forces’ development. It was a combination of Development Hell, the success of Generations, and the consequences of Rise of Lyric’s failure. All these ideas are what made Forces collapsed.
By the end of the year, you might want to revise this list for frontiers since the 3rd update will most likely change the gameplay as a whole. Adding new playable characters as well as a new story and reworked gameplay for sonic.
There is one great thing about Shadow the Hedgehog... It's that the cinematic scenes we're all animated by *Jeff Fowler.* A man who'd years later would become director of the first two Sonic movies and be widely regarded (alongside Tyson Hesse) for fixing the Ugly Sonic design.
Also the edgelord factor. But its a guilty pleasure good time, of putting on your MP3 player, get some green apples and just rock it out type of game! Not amazing but fun time for what it is!
You called your 06 take nostalgia filled but if anything it's exactly the opposite, you're one of the only people on UA-cam I've encountered giving the game a fair shot and pointing out both negatives AND positives that aren't just the OST which people use as a scapegoat. Everyone else's reviews and takes on this platform on 06 make them come off as the most unlikeable extremists ever, the way most of them talk feels like they've never even played 06 to begin with, yours felt genuine and objective. Nostalgia clearly played no factor here.
Nostalgia DEFINITELY played a role, just not necessarily more than other games. I still like 06 more than I maybe ought to, but there are notably other games from that stage of my life I don't really care about
@@KOTSOSMC2002 I can literally write an essay on why the characters motivations are flawed, why the time travel doesn't make any sense, how the main villain's motivation doesn't make any sense, plot conveniences, etc. Far from being a good story and it only haves some good moments. The thing is, all of them being cutcenes and not playable.
This video felt refreshing, as I find most sonic discussions tend to repeat themselves. But your calmer and more forgiving approach was a nice change of pace.
As someone who also loves Heroes, due to it being my first Sonic game (I was more of a TV show fan before getting the games at first), I can absolutely approve the 1st place ranking. Plus Heroes introduced me to my favourite character, Vector the Crocodile.
Vector was technically first introduced in Chaotix on the Genesis (with the 32X add-on), although Heroes was the first appearance of his modern design and fleshed him out more. Yes, I am a nerd.
Tbh, I don't really have much of a problem with getting to the past in Sonic CD. I honestly find it to be fun and satisfying in some levels. The thing I HATE is finding the machines in the past.
My favorite still has to go to Generations, 2 amazing gameplay styles, fun and very replayable levels, many missions to try, amazing music from all across the series, and the amount of love and respect that the game gives to all titles it includes is a joy to any Sonic fan.
Definitely, this is like No Way Home for Sonic, and it's so fun! I'm not coming back to this game that much (mostly because story is really barebones) but I can't deny how good this game is!
Not to mention that the game looks GORGEOUS! Seriously, I can't believe how many people are sleeping on Generations' graphics, game is almost on par with Unleashed if you ask me.
@@shitanotosaurus there is momentum tho its just not a focus, sonic goes faster when running downhill and sliding, you can boost off inclines to jump high and such
About Number 11, It's honestly so *refreshing* to hear a fan like you say some positive things about 06 while also acknowledging It's issues. (It took me a few months to find good in 06) I wish people gave the game another chance, kinda like how we gave the Prequel Trilogy a chance. Btw, I'm very happy you made a ranking list. Just hearing you talk about Sonic games and stuff from bad to good is so... Satisfying!
While Sonic 06 may have SOME positive aspects to it, like the soundtrack and certain Sonic levels, it still really falls flat to me and is a pretty sorry excuse for a Sonic game. But that's just me though.
When I hate on Unleashed it is for the downright disgusting take on humanity the game had, as well as Just Sonic Mentality preventing important characters who realistically would have taken part in the story from appearing. Warhog was probably the best part of Unleashed from what I remember. People overrate the game way too much even if it was 3D Boost at its best.
they complain about the werehog and his stages cuz their difficult and long, im sorry but i've got nothing else to say but "skill issue" i played this game a few times and it really wasnt that HARDCORE EXTREME difficulty, sure i died quite a few times but i had lives and got used to the mechanics so i managed just enough, i love the levels and their design + the challenge. Also its pretty fk!ng stupid to say that the werehog levels are long when the daytime stages are long themselves and waay harder but i got used to them so they're cool, and lastly the werehog didn't ruin the game's pace but rather serves as a break from the daytime stages, but all in all you shouldn't let the night stages ruin the WHOLE game for you because thats pretty retarded in my opinion. Remember the crying losers who complained about this game prevented the devs from making another masterpiece like unleashed..
I actually really, really like the werehog stages in Unleashed, if it weren't for one single thing: ua-cam.com/video/Bj_4Dr40_Zc/v-deo.html That intrusive circus tune interrupting the otherwise quite wonderful stage music literally every 15 seconds really wore me down fast. It's funny and quirky the first 2 times you hear it but after it starts playing for the 100th time it really makes me want to just get the stage over with.
The 10 endings in Shadow are "what if" scenarios where he follows the whims of everyone else telling him who he is. The last story isn't connected to the endings and Shadow doesn't remember much about his past by the end of the game as he throws the picture of Maria and Gerald away, saying goodbye to himself. He chose to become a new character instead. It's an interesting game but ofc I don't agree with them replacing old Shadow. At least his death scene in SA2 wasn't for nothing. Pariah695 made a good video on the story which changed my mind on the game.
Same here, I used to love this game til I saw how it "contradicted" his character until Pariah made the video on Shadow's game and I went back to loving it
Frontiers, in my opinion, is top freaking notch. I was stoaked when the trailer was announced and couldn't wait until the official release. Although, the frame rate, depending on what platform you play on(?) and I was a bit confused about Sage. Like, when she trapped Sonic's friends and tried to stop him because this whole time he was freeing The End? What choice did he have? But other than that, the game is unbelievably fun to play and the writing was freaking incredible along with the soundtrack.
Frontiers, despite its flaws, showed something I think really does mean something especially when it comes from a AAA game since a lot of us are usually fairly pessimistic about them in general: heart. Risks were taken, both in terms of game design and irl (Takeshi Iizuka risked his position in the company so that Frontiers could get the additional development time it needed), the story feels like it was actually written to not just celebrate these characters, but flesh them out, examine them, and take them new places, and overall, the passion of the people working on it can be felt in so many ways, from the numerous references for knowledgeable fans to the message from Sonic Team in One Way Dream. It shows a clear desire to not only try new things, but also has a feeling of engagement with the community I don’t very often see from a lot of AAA studios.
Infinite's backstory does also have the part of his siblings AKA Jackal Squad being killed and that adding fuel to the fire. But it really feels more like how you summarized it.
Not to mention IT CONTRADICTS MAIN STORY, because in game it eludes to that Infinite is a cyborg created by Eggman (with "Sonic prievous data" line or Tails and Amy radio transmitions from final Sonic and Avatar level)
Infinite's character is not bad, it's not even pathetic he is just NOTHING, absolutely nothing. Comparing his backstory to the ones in the Adventure games, 06, Frontiers, etc , it makes you question "What were they smoking?"
Idk if you've played it before, but if not I *HIGHLY* recommend playing P-06. its a remaster that aims to fix the issues of 06 and is generally really fun.
When I noticed the DLC for more playable characters, it made me wondered if they were originally gonna make Tails, Knuckles, and Amy playable in the story to somehow save Sonic from the cyber corruption until they rushed the other half of Sonic Frontiers.
Sonic CD's issue is that it's much more of an exploration game, rather than a regular Sonic game. If you go through the game with the mindset of finding Past gates, the perfect spot and/or way to time travel, and learn the Robot Capsule and/or Metal Sonic Projectors locations, it suddenly * clicks *. That's it's only issue and the reason people are so split on it. It's very niche in it's approach hence why some enjoy it, and some don't. I personally love it.
I honestly like the vibe of Sonic CD, it's stands out from the rest of the classic games, the music, level names, and metal sonic felt more important than the other metal sonics in the classic games. Ngl, I spent months on the collision chaos boss
I agree! It’s vibe really does stand out, only being matched by knuckles chaotix. Really uses all the right colors and shapes for the environments. And of course the M U S I C The game is fun to play though as well I’d say.
To be completely honest, my favorite is CD. The music, the atmospheres, the new characters, the art style, and most importantly, the time travel. Yeah, it may suck but it just makes the zones so much more interesting, and it kinda saddened me that they lost part of what made them cool in Mania.
CD's level design is meant to be challenging. Little Planet is a confusing world, and time travel is meant to be hard to do because, as you mentioned, it requires you to be skillful and reflexive to time travel. That Good Future ain't just gonna be handed to you!
I agree, if anything I think the level design adds to the atmosphere of little planet, this weird out of place world. I never found it too annoying. Maybe wacky workbench but I think it can be looked at as fun too with the right mindset
No dude, convoluted level design with large visual noise is not "challenging" game itself isn't hard, it's annoying artificial difficulty increase and no amount of nostalgia is gonna change it
Honestly I can see why sonic heroes is a great game, I absolutely love how determined metal is to prove he’s the real sonic and will stop at nothing to do so even if it means tossing aside his own creator
Also, say what you will about Shadow The Hedgehog, it’s got a pretty good OST. I also wish they did a bit more of the non linear missions in some of the levels. Too much of the game was “kill X enemies, kill the good guys to be evil kill the bad guys to be good.” The game could have been really unique and they really explored Shadows character in the wrong direction. Delving into his past and origins was really good, I love learning about the ARK and that lore. We really should have explored Shadows memories more.
Pretty agreeable ranking in my opinion. I am not completely sure if I would put heroes above SA1 and 2 personally, but it is definitely one of my top three Sonic games. Just like you, I remember being 4 years old and playing it on my Xbox whenever I boot it up. Its jank and my nostalgia aside, I still feel like it is a fun experience. When I replay it nowadays, I still have all the best shortcuts in my muscle memory, and I still always subconciously switch to the flight character when swapping rails just in case. Hang Castle is still forever one of my favorite 3D Sonic levels, both in terms of music and visuals.
I feel like Shadow sliding around makes alot more sense. Gameplay wise it’s annoying but again he’s wearing air shoes. He’s not running and therefore has no traction.
As a Heroes speedrunner and lover, it’s always nice to see it get attention that I think it deserves! I look forward to the dedicated Heroes video and hey if for some reason you want a speedrunner’s help, lemme know lol. But fr tho, Sonic Heroes I think I a game a lot of people would appreciate if they played it more. It becomes better and more rewarding the more time you put into it, even casually. I had a full video script on this concept but never made the video, but I truly think it’s a game a lot of people could learn to love even without nostalgia!
I too sat cross legged with my gamecube +sonic heros at my grandma's...good times. Love that Unleashed was near the top, it is seriously underrated, down to the character dymanics and music alone for me. Great vid!!
Oh my god! Finally, someone whose favourite game ever is also sonic heroes! I thought I was a loner! And don’t worry, I will play the multiplayer any day with you!
My favorite (barring spinoffs because the storybook games have a special place in my heart) is probably Frontiers. Yeah the cyberspace levels aren't the best, but they have a fair bit of replayability if you're going for S ranks, and (almost) everything else is really solid. The story was good (opening 2 cutscenes alone were the best story we've had since Black Knight, and the rest elevates it up to being the same tier as the adventure games, hell aside from Gamma being replaced with Sage, the cast of characters is the same as Adventure 1) and does fanservice correctly with referencing past events in a way that's either plot relevant (as with the _Sonic 3 & Knuckles_ flashback) or is poking fun at previous games' flaws. Boss fights are fun, combat is fun, Sage is there and she is cute and deserves headpats, soundtrack is great especially titan fight themes, you can fosh with Big and the fishing being stationary makes it feel less like it's breaking up gameplay flow the way it did in Adventure 1 (like holy shit I'm actually enjoying Big the cat and fishing being in a Sonic game, what is this wizardry), etc. My only real gripes with the game so far (being around 4/5th through the Tails island) are: the 2D sections that break up the pace; the camera controls being one of your toughest enemies; and the goddamn koko quests that not only break up the pace, but are really aggravating.
Probably one of, if not the most refreshing Sonic rankings I've seen. For one your list and how you feel about the games is different like most lists are, everybody's ranking is the same with the same opinions but your ranking is a lot different from others and it's so refreshing hearing some different opinions. Here's my ranking: 16. Sonic Forces (Talk about a gigantic fucking disaster from start to finish, SO much hype, SO much excitement, and so much promise only to be extremely disappointed with what we got, everything about this game is horrendous, need I say more) F- 15. Shadow the Hedgehog (I will give games credit for trying something new and different like this but it all relies on execution and that is a mess, the soundtrack on the other hand though is amazing) D Here on up these games are decent to good to great: 14. Sonic Lost World (probably the most bland game in the series, it was enjoyable and fun enough to play but nothing more that, feels more like a Mario rip off than a Sonic game and it's no question why it feels like that) C- 13. Sonic CD (The level designs are all over the place for me, it's has nostalgia, and it was the game that gave us Amy and Metal Sonic, and I did have some fun playing this game, I just don't know what I was doing while I was having fun, still a game that I think is good enough though) C+ 12. Sonic Colors (probably the biggest drop on my list, I had this game way higher before but after playing it 2 more times the flaws started to show way more, visually one of the most stunning games I've ever seen and the soundtrack is fucking awesome, but the story and characters and especially the writing is just so damn bad in this and there's times where the pacing really started to meander, to where now I say say this game is just solid) B- 11. Sonic O6 (Everything you said about is game is what I have to say, and I LOVE that, no where being a great game but it feels like everyone was focusing to much on the flaws with this game rather than the good because there are some really good things in this game, Princess Elise is what brings it down but still I think it's good enough) B- 10. Sonic Generations (I know this placement is gonna make others mad but here me out, on a gameplay level this game is a blast, and the level designs are amazing, lots of references and nostalgia, but in terms of story and characters, to me one of the weakest games in the franchise, one of the most fun games in the series but one of the lowest as far as story and characters) B+ 9. Sonic Unleashed (A game I enjoyed much more on my 2nd playing, still not one of my top 5 favorites Sonic games but I noticed the positives much more and to me the last good 3d Sonic game we got for a while) B+ 8. Sonic the Hedgehog (One of the first games I remember playing, and one of the most iconic games of all time, amazing music, looks great, and Green Hill Zone is iconic, tons of nostalgia and tons of memories, but as time goes on, it hasn't aged as well as it should, Green Hill and Starlight zone stages are great, but every other level made me wanna break something, but still a game I love and holds a special place in my heart) A- 7. A- Sonic Adventure 2 (it takes everything great about the first game and makes as a whole it might be better and Adventure 1, but I like revisiting the 1st one more) A- 6. Sonic Frontiers (I basically gave up on this franchise after Forces so I didn't have a whole lot of faith in this when it was announced, but after figuring out Ian Flynn was the writer for this game, that kinda peaked my interest, and I ended really liking it. It's not great, and there's still more room for improvement (hopefully🤞) and it feels more like a legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild game rather than a sonic game, but the gameplay, the style, and the overall concept they go for with this open world game I think is fantastic, but the 2 biggest positives are the soundtrack and writing, which are both fucking incredible!. So I think this game is very solid and definitely got this franchise back on track) A- 5. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (I think everyone can agree that this one improves on almost everything that the original did, but certain stages do kinda drag and a couple can be a bit boring bit still a great sequel and very nostalgic) A 4. Sonic Heroes (Story wise, nostalgia wise, character wise, SOUNDTRACK wise, and writing is top 5 level great, but the problem is that you have to beat each level 4 different times to move on and it gets a little bit tireing after a while, to where its not the most replay able games in this franchise, but one of the most nostalgic and best storytelling Sonic games) A 3. Sonic Adventure (A game that just nails everything and what I love about this franchise, it's just so sad that they didn't go in this direction further along in the franchise) A These next 2 I have nothing to say about other then there just perfection, and in my top 10 favorite video games of all time. 2. Sonic Mania 1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 When it comes to games and movies, I'm mostly a character and story guy, and when you give me a game or movie that's weak on those 2 things, it weights it down for me, even though there low I still like them a lot. Amazing work as usual thumbs👍
i have never disagreed with a top list that much as this one made me well, that goes to show how different people can enjoy games and thats honestly great cause that opens loots of windows to make a great debate
The tone shift going from Shadow the Hedgehog to Sonic Lost World felt like eating salted lemon and then drinking chocolate milk immediately afterwards
DUDE, WHEN I PLAYED FRONTIERS, THERE WAS NO FINAL BOSS, WHEN IT SAID THE END, IT JUST PLAYED THE CUT SCENE YOU GET AFTER KILLING IT AND SKIPPED THE FIGHT ENTIRELY 😭😭😭
My Sonic Games list 1. Sonic Adventure 2 2. Sonic Generations 3. Sonic Frontiers 4. Sonic Unleashed 5. Sonic Colours 6. Sonic Adventure 1 7. Sonic 2 8. Sonic Mania 9. Sonic 3 and Knuckles 10. Sonic Heroes 11. Sonic Lost World 12. Sonic 06 13. Sonic 1 14. Shadow The Hedgehog 15. Sonic CD 16. Sonic Forces
Sonic CD might be my favorite classic Sonic game rn besides Mania. Matthasnocuts actually has a great video about Sonic CD and why it’s better than you might think. In summary, many people’s problem with this game is that they play it like a classic sonic game where you go from point A to point B, and because of that the weird level layout throws them off. Instead, Sonic CD is all about learning the level layouts and using it to your advantage to time travel and destroy all the generators in the past. This game only really works when you get all the good futures, which is its biggest feature as well as its biggest drawback.
I learned this first hand. I played the game for the first time, didn’t time travel much, made it to metal sonic, died, and gave up on the game. A while later, I looked at the game more closely in some images, and found it’s vibe that I somehow missed the first time around. So I replayed the game to get a better feel for it, and ended up loving it! I now replay it every little while just to chill and bounce around the levels and time zones.
While I can respect your dislike towards Sonic CD, I have to wonder, perhaps you never really got very familiar with the game in the first place? While yes, the level design can be confusing at times and some people don't like it, the reason why there are rings inside the walls, is because of the time travel mechanism. The level layout changes depending on wether you are in the past, present or future, making these otherwise stuck inside a wall rings available. One other thing that I think you should be made aware of, is the fact that you do not need to travel between the past/future, in order to get the games good ending. The easier and more enjoyable approach is to use the special stages to get all the Time Stones. This will unlock the good future and you'll get the good ending of the game. This is the way I among many others prefer to play, to make it a lot more like a traditional 2D Sonic experience.
I also spent more time playing Sonic Heroes than any other game in my life! I would’ve been sitting right there next to you taking turns with the controller 😂✅ Amazing video! 10/10 !!! 💯
Sonic Forces probably objectively deserves to be as low as you placed it but I had a very delightful experience with it that has won me over on it. I havent played a minute of that game sober, and the bad writing instead came off as absolutely hilarious to me. I got an insane amount of enjoyment from it, and ironic enjoyment or not I had a delightful time with it
11:10 I wouldn’t say he goes through his arc from SA2 again, and his arc in Shadow is still slightly different to Heroes. SA2 was him realizing his real promise. Heroes was him figuring out his past and declaring he’s still Shadow without them. And Shadow the Hedgehog was him learning his past, and declaring to form his own destiny instead of having others and his past tell him what to do. 12:10 Again it doesn’t, his arc leads to him not caring about Maria and saying Goodbye to the old Shadow the Hedgehog. Basically the games there to conclude the amnesia arc, but still not have exactly the same Shadow from SA2.
Also I think the cyber levels only have four level designs because when they said most of the levels were going to be based off generations people weren’t all excited for that and some actually backlashed on it, so they probably cut some down and considered this game will have dlc than we might see more
Alright, I guess the Advance and Rush games aren't mainline even though they have canonical stories that introduced two of the most beloved characters in the franchise and traditional Sonic gameplay.
Shadow the Hedgehog was and still is one of my guilty pleasures just to hear him say "death to all who oppose me" and "this is who I am hahahaha" over and over 😅
I'm glad Sonic 06's stranglehold on the series lack of stories is over! SEGA is awesome for listening to its fans, but unfortunately the people who were critiquing them back then weren't doing it out of love--it was a trend to hate on Sonic and that's what thousands did. They misunderstood what Sonic's about, claiming the fact there was a serious story was an inherit issue instead of the writing being bad. Sonic's _existence_ was thanks to wanting to break the mold, stand out, be _ambitious!_ When Sonic Team was understandably too afraid of getting mocked like that and submitting to blander and blander ideas, the spirit of Sonic withered and this poison ran through this franchise's veins for years, but now, finally, we're moving on to a new frontier. Sonic Frontiers is my favorite for what it represents, but I get all of your opinions and thank you for making all these entertaining videos!
1. Sonic Adventure DX 2. Sonic 3 & Knuckles 3. Sonic Mania 4. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle 5. Sonic Frontiers 6. Sonic CD 7. Sonic Heroes 8. Sonic 2 9. Sonic Advance 3 10. Sonic Advance 2
My ranking is: 18. Shadow the Hedgehog (This game is a cheap cash grab) 17. Sonic Lost World (It completely tossed out the boost and had an awful story) 16. Sonic Forces (The resistance should've been called the Freedom Fighters) 15. Sonic and the Secret Rings (Cool atmosphere, but it controls terribly with bad presentation) 14. Sonic 1 (It just isn't very good) 13. Sonic CD (It's the definition of mediocre) 12. Sonic 06 (It was ambitious, had great music and a good story minus Sonic's. It Had a vision, so I can respect it) 11. Sonic Mania (It's well made, it just isn't interesting and didn't need to exist) 10. Sonic Colors (To much 2D, the writing is awful, but it's still fun) 9. Sonic and the Black Knight (Great music, great story, decent controls) 8. Sonic Heroes (It's not Sonic Adventure 3, but it is still a lot of fun) 7. Sonic Adventure (It's great, SA2 just improved it in every way) 6. Sonic 3 and Knuckles (Great, but overrated) 5. Sonic 2 (The best 2D game barring Colors DS) 4. Sonic Unleashed (The medal collecting is the only bad part) 3. Sonic Frontiers (It was exactly what Sonic needed) 2. Sonic Generations (Its only fault is Modern having 2D sections and it's not long enough) 1. Sonic Adventure 2 (It's SA2, what more is there to say?)
"The Resistance should've been called The Freedom Fighters" Nope this was after Sega ended their contract with Archie plus that wouldn't even happen anyway cause Penders.
@@bowserbreaker2515 Dude the reboot wasn't a thing till 2013, 4 years before Forces, and it still doesn't change the fact that Sega ended their contract with Archie, and again, Penders is an indifferent troll thinking he owns *EVERYONE!* The Freedom Fighters are not coming back, plus the Reboot was short lived it failed anyway, what's even the point of bringing it up.
My own personal list of mainline games from worst to best just for fun, please leave your own on a reply, I'd love to see them!! ~~ 18. Sonic 4: Episode I - 4/10 ~~ 17. Sonic Colors - 6/10, don't hate it, just meh🤷♀️ ~~ 16. Sonic Adventure 2 - 6/10, I'm assuming most people will click off here ☠️. To make a long story short, I just find the treasure hunting a more tedious version of SA's and the mech stages dreadful or boring, so I basically thing two thirds of the game are mid to outright bad. Everything else, story, OST, Sonic/Shadow stages etc I love just like everyone else ~~ 15. Shadow The Hedgehog - 6/10, do wanna point out how the "guns in Sonic is out of place, bad and cringe" argument is idiotic to put it mildly real quick. The Fleetway comics had guns, all 3 90s shows had guns, Archie Sonic comics had guns, hell the mainline timeline already had guns, Nack the Weasel in the Classic Era and Robotnik and G.U.N. soldiers in the Adventure Era. So yeah, get lost with that argument smh, objectively factually wrong if you say that ~~ 14. Sonic Heroes - 6/10 ~~ 13. Sonic Lost World - 7/10 ~~ 12. Sonic CD - 7/10 ~~ 11. Sonic Mania - 7/10, don't get me wrong, great game, but the second coming of Christ kind of peak everyone pretends it is? Mm, no, not even close, excited for more 2D Sonic however, can't wait for the sequels! ~~ 10. Sonic Forces - 7/10, I agree with the criticism over tone and writing for the most part but the hate is definitely blown out of proportions when it comes to gameplay 100%, Forces IS fun to play, it's just an OK game overall. ~~ 9. Sonic Adventure - 7/10, if Big's campaign wasn't a thing this would have ended up higher 😂 ~~ 8. Sonic 06 - 7.5/10, I will never understand the hate for this game. Criticism over the story is hypocritical since people criticize the inconsistencies and conveniences, if that's the case then we can literally rip every single mainline game no exceptions to shreds, we can rip SA2 wide open the same way as well. Dropping that hypocritical debate out of the window and looking at the plot through the same lense as the rest of the games, it's easily one of the best stories in the franchise. Easily the best villain of the franchise (Mephiles), easily the best soundtrack of the franchise, at the time the best acting in the franchise outside of SatAM, best character models in the franchise especially the main trio (deadass, if that Robotnik design originated from SA2 and not 06 people would have loved it, bias over 06 is that strong), best characterization of the established cast in the entire franchise, tied with IDW's comics (aside from Shadow, 06 steps on IDW Shadow any day). 06's frame rate is its only major issue (no, I don't think the glitches are, have played the game 3 times and I've almost never had an issue, plus loading screens are many but load super fast it is literally no big deal except if you're doing Town Missions), but since it's a big one so it definitely deserves points redacted from it. ~~ 7. Sonic Frontiers - 7.5/10, Meta Era is officially over with this bad boy, a new era begins, one that thankfully appears to feel very Adventure Era-ish, future looks bright ~~ 6. Sonic 3 & Knuckles - 8/10, I know I know, yet another kinda hot take, great game, just don't think it's as fun as 1 and 2, sometimes it feels too busy and I don't enjoy a lot of the Zones thematically, especially in comparison to the rest of the trilogy and CD. ~~ 5. Sonic 1 - 8/10 ~~ 4. Sonic 4: Episode II, 9/10 if you wanted to punch me before now you probably wanna kill me🥴, every time I look back on this game I think to myself "Yeah, it doesn't look or feel like a 9/10 game, what am I talking about?!", then I replay it and love almost everything about it every single time. I don't LOVE love it enough to die on a hill protecting it, I don't have any strong feelings towards it, go ahead it rip it to shreds if you so wish, I just think it's a great, short experience albeit forgettable AF story-wise ~~ 3. Sonic 2 - 9/10, best 2D Sonic has to offer (from mainline releases at least, I consider Advance 3 and Rush Adventure better) ~~ 2. Sonic Unleashed - 9/10, now THIS game I have strong feelings for, pretty sure it's universally agreed upon that Daytime Unleashed stages are the peak of the mountain that is the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. They feel like those fake, gamerbait E3 trailers from back in the day only not a bait and actually playable and as gorgeous as initially presented. Playing the Daytime stages of Unleashed to this day feels kind of unreal, I don't have the words to describe it but I also feel like I don't have to, most of you probably feel the same way. Also, Werehog? Fun AF, miss that stretchy guy. ~~ 1. Sonic Generations - 10/10 if I had to criticize anything here it would be the missed opportunity of making the Time Eater plot a Sonic 06 style of story, with that concept and stakes it'd have been epic. I adore the game on everything else. I have zero nostalgia for any Sonic game, having played no Sonic games throughout my childhood and teen years (got into Sonic after my military service in 2021) and yet Sonic Generations' references and callbacks bring a tear to my eyes. Racing Classic Tails as Modern Sonic with Super Sonic Racing from Sonic R in the background, facing Shadow on the ARK with Live & Learn in the background, playing Crisis City with His World, returning to the roofs of Spagonia with Endless Possibility on full blast. Generations feels like a Greatest Hits compilation but in a very genuine, heartwarming way, not a cash grabbing way. It referenced and included almost every spin-off and mainline game in the franchise and basically paid tribute to them all, it felt like the culmination of my journey as a Sonic fan at the time, like all those shows and films I'd watched, all the comics I'd read and all the games I'd played led me to Generations. I don't think it's an objective 10/10 game in retrospect but to me? Yeah, it will always be the game that looked at me in the eyes and told me "All those Sonic games you played, it was all worth it, here's why", and that feeling is irreplaceable. PS: If we also wanted to count Sonic BOOM: Rise of Lyric, since while not canon to the main timeline it's still a major Sonic release just on a different timeline, I'd probably place it in-between Forces and Adventure. Shadow, Metal Sonic and Robotnik are painfully out of place and badly utilized and those Subway Surfers looking running sections have bad frame rate. Everything else? I think it's pretty good, a very fun game overall, the cutscenes especially were delightfully directed and animated. RoL Knuckles wasn't a complete dummy as well which I liked, something the show unfortunately changed.
Im just gonna say it: 06 isnt really all that bad. Yes the glitches made us think everything was wrong with it. But, the story was pretty well written, the characters felt true, the level design is done well, and the soundtrack is still the best in the franchise. And P-06 proves this.
I will say there is one time, only one time where sonic forces can be fun. This is just my take. The game was only fun when you’re trying to complete it, not finish it complete it. I repeat, you only get any semblance of fun AFTER you finish the game. That’s because there are actual challenges to do, objects to get that are piss easy but not brainless. Some of those silver rings are a bit challenging. Trophy hunting that game for platinum was sort of fun for me at the end. I wasn’t having a blast but in comparison it’s the only moment in that game I wasn’t bored. This is an extreme inherent flaw, these days you have tons of games competing with each other. To ask a player to finish your game is asking a lot, especially if you could play something better. When this game can’t hold up on its own it’s a severe flaw. The fact that you need to finish a boring game in order to get some semblance of entertainment is absurd to me. This is just my take, I wonder if anyone else thinks anything different or similarly.
My Opinion: 16. Shadow The Hedgehog(6/10) This game is mediocre and I do not care about the story, it’s very boring 15. Sonic Forces(6/10) It’s slightly better than the last one because few stages I think it’s great? 14. Sonic 06(6/10) It seems the worst but it shows have a magical story that I think it’s creative 13. Sonic1(6/10) There’s 3 Bad Zones and 3 Good Zones, Bad Zones as Marble, Labyrinth and Final Zone 12. Sonic Lost World(8/10) Just one issue, those villains is the worst in fiction history 11. Sonic Heroes(8/10) Those control are not impressive and stages keep repeat but still a wonderful game 10. Sonic Adventure(8/10) It feels freedom and fun, just the Big Story is boring 9. Sonic CD(8/10) Those Bosses are a joke but those stage is not that bad actually, at least better than Sonic 1 8. Sonic Unleashed(8/10) It’s just the Werehog stages but it’s not a big issue. 7. Sonic 3(9/10) I can just say this doesn’t have some good stages but Ice Cap is the best zone in Sonic History. 6. Sonic 2(9/10) It’s a bit more fun than Sonic 3 5. Sonic Generations(9/10) It bring back some a lot memorable stages like Green Hill, City Escape… 4. Sonic Adventure 2(9/10) It’s Nearly Perfection, the all those zones are pretty fun. 3. Sonic Colours(10/10)(DS) 2. Sonic Mania, It’s almost Number 1 but those boss are not the best. 1. Sonic Frontiers, I don’t need to say how great it is
What is a better game? Super mario odyssey or sonic frontiers (I did this matchup because I thought mario odyssey vs sonic forces was a really unfair matchup back then)
Here's the reason I actually like Shadow the Hedgehog from a story perspective. I view it as basically a Rougelike with different potential endings for the character if different certain steps are taken, each leading to him becoming a good or bad person, but the True Ending is just the return to who he actually is based on the foundations set in previous games. I still don't think its the best game in the series, I think the gun controls could have done well to take some inspiration from the Adventure titles or possibly been enhanced to be more similar to actual shooters and yeah the games a bit glitchy sometimes, especially on the GameCube release. I couldn't ever say it's a 10/10 game and tbh if someone says it's bab or trash, I really have no argument against that. It just so happens to be trash I find myself enjoying more often than not and rated 8.5/10 based purely on that. Super Shadow being able to actually use Chaos Spear and the subsequent Shadow Rifle may be where about half of that score came from though- I also believe this is the game that introduced the idea of losing a set number of rings instead of all of them which is highly appreciated, albeit I wish we could get that feature in a game where Rings are actually used as currency like in Adventure 2.
You just earned yourself a new subscriber! The fact that you put #1 is honestly deserved It's not perfect, but god it's a fun game For me, Sonic Heroes was the game that introduced me to the franchise and i believe it's an amazing game even with its flaws
Great video PJ, whenever i have a chance i watch your videos and especially the character analysis ones. About your list, well i really can't even make a list of games of my own beacuse i have only played SA2 since i was a kid and a little of the classic Sonic games on genesis way later....... But i also can relate on your take on Sonic Heroes, even today i can still play and enjoy SA2 Battle the same way i did as a kid back then. If today i'm a Sonic fan, watching your videos and writing this, is all thanks to that game and the unforgettable memories i have with it. Please keep doing a great job on your videos, they really are something especial and i will continue to support you in anyway i can (y)
Sonic is an interesting franchise for me. My favorite games (Colours, Frontiers and SA2) I can DEFINITELY say aren't the absolute best. They're great imo, but not the best. There's just something about them that leads them to stand out in my mind, and I see a lot of people having a similar experience with their favorites
Here's my own ranking. Note i will be including Spin-offs as well and I haven't play all of the main sonic games including some spin-offs i don't mind trying out. 10)Battles: I play this on an emulator but not too much. Which is why it is low here. 9)Secret Rings: The story is okay, but the gameplay, oh my gosh was it annoying. The game's not bad but I personally think Black Knight gameplay is good. 8)Rivals: This was my childhood Sonic Game even if Sonic Heroes was my first. Now I personally don't care for it and I don't see myself getting Rivals 2. 7)Forces: i like the game play but it's the story that annoys me. Mainly because of how wasted infinite was. And sometimes I don't have fun with it especially with the 2D sonic levels. The music is good, ii like making your own avatar but even then it's not enough for me to say it's good. 6)Black Knight: II love the gameplay there just swinging a sword around and I found it a huge improvement to Secret Ring. Sure Ii don't like the villain too much since we don't see them too much but i wouldn't say they are the worst. 5)Riders and Riders Zero Gravity: I used to prefer zero gravity over Riders, but when i look back on it, they both have something i like. Riders have good stage design, Zero Gravity have fun gameplay. Overall i like them but 4)Mania: I like mania and I wanted it to be my favorite, but looking back i don't think it's deserve to be that high when i lasted played it. 3)Rush: It was so fun and when i finally beat it two years ago i was so happy. Blaze is a great character and I have fun with the gameplay of both Sonic and Blaze... I don't like the final special stage for the last emerald though. 2)Heroes: This is one of my favorite sonic games as it was my first and looking back it was fun to watch and I hope ii can play it and finally beat it after years. 1)Frontiers: Do i need to say why it is awesome... Well, yes. Great boss fights, great music, great characters interaction, having two of my favorite ending songs, those being Dear Father and One way dream, I love everything about it. Is it my favorite Sonic game of all time... IDK I still love it and it's the reason why it's number 1 but like I said i have yet to play some and beat all fo the sonic games, but overall, Frontiers is amazing. So yeah that's my own ranking I'm happy to shared
i admittedly have not played anything past shadow, aside from mania. sonic 3 & knuckles is still one of my favorite games of all time. this is coming from someone who doesn't play a lot of platformers. sonic heroes is kino too. love that game.
I was going to disagree with you on your #1 spot, but I couldn't help but smile the entire time watching it back. Even the levels I remember hating as a child made me smile about the hatred. Heroes was a great game sadly eclipsed at the time by Adventure 1 and 2. I fell off the sonic wagon not long after Heroes and maybe I should go back and explore some of the more modern games besides Generations.
My favorite sonic games are: 1-Sonic Adventure 2-Sonic Adventure 2 3-Sonic 2006 (Yes, i know) 4-Sonic Mania I still doesn't have played other famous games like sonic heroes but for now this is my list!
My rank of every Sonic Game from best to worst (In my opinion) : *) 𝗦 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗠𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗰𝗲) 1. Sonic Adventure 2 2. Sonic Unleashed 3. Sonic 3 & Knuckles 4. Sonic Adventure 5. Sonic Mania 6. Sonic Frontiers *) 𝗔 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗔𝗺𝗮𝘇𝗶𝗻𝗴) 7. Sonic Generations 8. Sonic & The Black Knight 9. Sonic Riders 10. Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity 11. Sonic Colors 12. Sonic Rush *) 𝗕 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗚𝗼𝗼𝗱) 13. Sonic Advance Trillogy 14. Sonic 2 15. Sonic Rush Adventure 16. Sonic CD 17. Sonic 1 18. Sonic Heroes *) 𝗖 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗗𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘁) 19. Sonic 06 20. Sonic & The Secret Rings 21. Sonic Lost World 22. Shadow The Hedgehog 23. Sonic Boom Fire & Ice *) 𝗗 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗕𝗮𝗱) 24. Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystall 25. Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyrics 26. Sonic Forces 27. Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood 28. Sonic 4: Episode 2 29. Sonic 4: Episode 1 30. Sonic Free Riders
Shadow the Hedgehog is the most 2000s video game I’ve ever seen in its attempt to be edgy. The soundtrack is mostly grungy metal, the aesthetic is extremely emo and 2000s, it is the most 2000s game that isn’t The World Ends With You, and I love that.
It may be a gamble in the eyes of SEGA, but if they were smart, and maybe a little bold, they’d hire an indie dev, or a portion of Sonic Team, to make a Blaze and Silver spin-off game. Maybe make it 2D, and have Eggman Nega be the big threat? While you play as Silver and Blaze, exploring the future and the Sol dimension? Maybe a story involving Sonic is unlocked later. Personally, I think Silver and Blaze deserve some spotlight too. They’re still so full of storytelling potential. Maybe they learn how to be a more cohesive team? Trying to be like Sonic and Tails, but realize they aren’t. Maybe they learn more, and how to adapt, to each other’s worlds? Eggman Nega is from the future, so he could find a way to travel between Silver’s future and Blaze’s dimension. We know there’s still a number of fans that want more from the spectacular duo. It could be 2D, with the style of Sonic Rush, and the gameplay of advance 1-3.
I like this list. There are games in places I totally didn't expect, but after hearing what you had to say about them I also understand why. Sonic CD is probably better to me than Sonic 1, for example, but I can also 100% agree the level design can be obtuse and honestly pretty garbage sometimes. I didn't really like Unleashed, but I only got to play the Wii version, so I can't fairly judge it. Maybe someday if I start uploading like at all, I'll do a list like this.
If you have a PC you can get the Xbox Unleashed on an emulator. I used to play the Xbox version religiously, and the emulator holds up super well to what I remember - better even because the environmental graphics are superior to the Xbox 360 version I had. The only issue I have found is that in the hubs the werehog's graphics downgrade - not horribly, but it is noticeable. Also the cache gets overflowed like once an hour and you have to hit f5 to reset it. So if you see a cutscene go black or the polygons glitch out, just hit f5. The game itself is in peak condition for an emulator though. Those two drawbacks is all I have seen as an issue. If you don't have an Xbox, it's fine.
I would've switched some games here/ranked then differently, but what I love about your videos how much I agree on them and often has the same opinion :) I didn't liked CD because of Level design and yes I love Unleashed. I know some who would disagree with me and I don't mind, but it's always nice to see someone with the same opinion as well. My ranking would probably have been (from worst to best): Forces CD Lost Worlds Colours 1 Shadow the Hedgehog Generations Heroes 2 3 Mania Adventure 1 Adventure2 Unleashed Frontiers Sadly I didn't had the chance to play the original 06 (only played the P06 Fan Project a bit), so I can't rank it fairly.
Imagine if they made a sonic frontiers one and two. Where in one they lose and sonic “dies” and eggman wins and begins construction. And no2 is the the aftermath of one where eggman land is setup and the story pushes on.
Knuckles chaotix is the best sonic game. If you master the thether, you can go faster than any sonic game has ever before. Slingshoting and asterfully speeding across huge cool vaporwave style levels. The controls are so satisfying, and each charge up and slingshot is so great. The music is amazing, and the game keep up the variety by having a random level chosen. It makes things never get boring. I revisit this game often.
S Tier: Sonic Generations, 3&K, CD, SA1 A Tier: Unleashed, Heroes, SA2, Sonic 2, Sonic Mania B Tier: Sonic Riders, Sonic Advance series, Sonic Colors, Sonic Frontiers C Tier: Storybook series, 06, Sonic 1 Never ever Tier: Lost World, Forces Side note: I will play heroes multiplayer with you on dolphin
Well first off I just want to say that I got SO excited when I saw that you uploaded. And I really like your opinion of these games. I haven’t played many Sonic games, because I don’t have access to them yet. And yet I still agree with all this. So thanks for making this video. And I hope you reach your next subscriber goal soon!
Sonic Generations would have been the best if they got Classic Sonic right, but they didn't, unfortunately. Mainly the lack of any momentum like the classic games (sort of like your Sonic 4 clip). He basically just felt like a worse version of Modern Sonic and it bummed me out.
The first cutscene of Unleashed was something else man. I remember plugging this bad boy in my ps2 back in the day and how flabbergasted i was when i saw the cutscene. I literally turned my ps2 off and on again immediately, just to watch it again. I don't have to much negative to say about the live action sonic movies but damn, that we never got an animated sonic movie in that art/animation-style is crime towards the fanbase.
So, what are your thoughts on my list? Do you agree with my points? Disagree? Let me know in the comments below and maybe even take a shot at ranking the games yourself. As always, I will be reading and responding to as many comments as I can!
I actually have to agree with the majority of it, also 06 not being last makes this a list that's actually thought out and not a generic opinion
I agree when you said team dark has the best dynamic this dialogue alone proves it
Omega: enemy robots detected ahead
Shadow: careful how you take them out you don’t want to catch their ligma
Omega: what is ligma?
Shadow: ligma balls
Shadow: that was a joke. You guys can laugh.
Omega: Do not understand. Explain the joke.
Shadow: Ehh, if you explain, it’s not really funny…
Omega: Explain the joke
Shadow: ugh, fine okay, well, uh… Ligma isn’t a thing so naturally, you ask… what is ligma? And I say ligma balls which sound like lick my balls which is funny because you wouldn’t do that, probably
Omega: I lack organs for licking
Shadow: No; not you wouldn’t because you can’t you wouldn’t because it’s gay? I think?
Shadow: Am I being homophobic?
Omega: comprehension error, To install humor driver insert the correct CDs
Shadow: what CDs?
Omega: SEE DEEZ NUTS
Shadow: oh my God
Omega: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Shadow: I should have stayed dead
I’ve been researching on Forces’ development. It was a combination of Development Hell, the success of Generations, and the consequences of Rise of Lyric’s failure. All these ideas are what made Forces collapsed.
By the end of the year, you might want to revise this list for frontiers since the 3rd update will most likely change the gameplay as a whole. Adding new playable characters as well as a new story and reworked gameplay for sonic.
I like Sonic Forces, but I can't argue with your opinion.
There is one great thing about Shadow the Hedgehog... It's that the cinematic scenes we're all animated by *Jeff Fowler.* A man who'd years later would become director of the first two Sonic movies and be widely regarded (alongside Tyson Hesse) for fixing the Ugly Sonic design.
omggg really?? then im so excited for Sonic movie 3 then. i know Shadow will be done justice 🖤
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Plus, Jeff loves Shadow and it seems he wants to do justice for the Ultimate Lifeform.
Also the edgelord factor. But its a guilty pleasure good time, of putting on your MP3 player, get some green apples and just rock it out type of game! Not amazing but fun time for what it is!
@@valentinescookies. trailer dropped watch it
You called your 06 take nostalgia filled but if anything it's exactly the opposite, you're one of the only people on UA-cam I've encountered giving the game a fair shot and pointing out both negatives AND positives that aren't just the OST which people use as a scapegoat. Everyone else's reviews and takes on this platform on 06 make them come off as the most unlikeable extremists ever, the way most of them talk feels like they've never even played 06 to begin with, yours felt genuine and objective. Nostalgia clearly played no factor here.
Nostalgia DEFINITELY played a role, just not necessarily more than other games. I still like 06 more than I maybe ought to, but there are notably other games from that stage of my life I don't really care about
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It's bad both in gameplay and story lol
@@ricochet8104 No.
@@KOTSOSMC2002 I can literally write an essay on why the characters motivations are flawed, why the time travel doesn't make any sense, how the main villain's motivation doesn't make any sense, plot conveniences, etc. Far from being a good story and it only haves some good moments. The thing is, all of them being cutcenes and not playable.
When playing Forces, I forgot that Eggman took over the world.! 😂😂😂
This video felt refreshing, as I find most sonic discussions tend to repeat themselves. But your calmer and more forgiving approach was a nice change of pace.
As someone who also loves Heroes, due to it being my first Sonic game (I was more of a TV show fan before getting the games at first), I can absolutely approve the 1st place ranking.
Plus Heroes introduced me to my favourite character, Vector the Crocodile.
Curb your nostalgia.
VECTOR IS MY FAVOURITE TOO
Vector was technically first introduced in Chaotix on the Genesis (with the 32X add-on), although Heroes was the first appearance of his modern design and fleshed him out more.
Yes, I am a nerd.
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Tbh, I don't really have much of a problem with getting to the past in Sonic CD. I honestly find it to be fun and satisfying in some levels. The thing I HATE is finding the machines in the past.
Exactly 💯
My favorite still has to go to Generations, 2 amazing gameplay styles, fun and very replayable levels, many missions to try, amazing music from all across the series, and the amount of love and respect that the game gives to all titles it includes is a joy to any Sonic fan.
the lack of momentum stings, but then I found the op as fuck spindash and it became an absolute blast to play
Definitely, this is like No Way Home for Sonic, and it's so fun! I'm not coming back to this game that much (mostly because story is really barebones) but I can't deny how good this game is!
Not to mention that the game looks GORGEOUS! Seriously, I can't believe how many people are sleeping on Generations' graphics, game is almost on par with Unleashed if you ask me.
@@Neoniq41 Yup, I agree
@@shitanotosaurus there is momentum tho its just not a focus, sonic goes faster when running downhill and sliding, you can boost off inclines to jump high and such
About Number 11,
It's honestly so *refreshing* to hear a fan like you say some positive things about 06 while also acknowledging It's issues. (It took me a few months to find good in 06) I wish people gave the game another chance, kinda like how we gave the Prequel Trilogy a chance.
Btw, I'm very happy you made a ranking list. Just hearing you talk about Sonic games and stuff from bad to good is so... Satisfying!
While Sonic 06 may have SOME positive aspects to it, like the soundtrack and certain Sonic levels,
it still really falls flat to me and is a pretty sorry excuse for a Sonic game. But that's just me though.
I feel like forces is gonna be one of those games that the fandom will look back at 16 years later and start to appreciate it just like 06 😂😂
Holy crap, finally someone who enjoys both Day and Night segments of Unleashed. I always felt like it got unfairly bashed on.
When I hate on Unleashed it is for the downright disgusting take on humanity the game had, as well as Just Sonic Mentality preventing important characters who realistically would have taken part in the story from appearing. Warhog was probably the best part of Unleashed from what I remember. People overrate the game way too much even if it was 3D Boost at its best.
they complain about the werehog and his stages cuz their difficult and long, im sorry but i've got nothing else to say but "skill issue" i played this game a few times and it really wasnt that HARDCORE EXTREME difficulty, sure i died quite a few times but i had lives and got used to the mechanics so i managed just enough, i love the levels and their design + the challenge.
Also its pretty fk!ng stupid to say that the werehog levels are long when the daytime stages are long themselves and waay harder but i got used to them so they're cool, and lastly the werehog didn't ruin the game's pace but rather serves as a break from the daytime stages, but all in all you shouldn't let the night stages ruin the WHOLE game for you because thats pretty retarded in my opinion.
Remember the crying losers who complained about this game prevented the devs from making another masterpiece like unleashed..
I actually really, really like the werehog stages in Unleashed, if it weren't for one single thing: ua-cam.com/video/Bj_4Dr40_Zc/v-deo.html
That intrusive circus tune interrupting the otherwise quite wonderful stage music literally every 15 seconds really wore me down fast. It's funny and quirky the first 2 times you hear it but after it starts playing for the 100th time it really makes me want to just get the stage over with.
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@@ILikeSoda229 Unleashed People are ugly & at times can be quite creepy. No other game in the series did humans that badly.
The 10 endings in Shadow are "what if" scenarios where he follows the whims of everyone else telling him who he is. The last story isn't connected to the endings and Shadow doesn't remember much about his past by the end of the game as he throws the picture of Maria and Gerald away, saying goodbye to himself. He chose to become a new character instead. It's an interesting game but ofc I don't agree with them replacing old Shadow. At least his death scene in SA2 wasn't for nothing. Pariah695 made a good video on the story which changed my mind on the game.
Same here, I used to love this game til I saw how it "contradicted" his character until Pariah made the video on Shadow's game and I went back to loving it
@@AFeralTrout420 i'll sway you back into hating it like this: shadow is black
Frontiers, in my opinion, is top freaking notch. I was stoaked when the trailer was announced and couldn't wait until the official release. Although, the frame rate, depending on what platform you play on(?) and I was a bit confused about Sage. Like, when she trapped Sonic's friends and tried to stop him because this whole time he was freeing The End? What choice did he have?
But other than that, the game is unbelievably fun to play and the writing was freaking incredible along with the soundtrack.
Idk, didn't it show multiple times that she was in kahoots with Eggman?
Frontiers, despite its flaws, showed something I think really does mean something especially when it comes from a AAA game since a lot of us are usually fairly pessimistic about them in general: heart. Risks were taken, both in terms of game design and irl (Takeshi Iizuka risked his position in the company so that Frontiers could get the additional development time it needed), the story feels like it was actually written to not just celebrate these characters, but flesh them out, examine them, and take them new places, and overall, the passion of the people working on it can be felt in so many ways, from the numerous references for knowledgeable fans to the message from Sonic Team in One Way Dream. It shows a clear desire to not only try new things, but also has a feeling of engagement with the community I don’t very often see from a lot of AAA studios.
Infinite's backstory does also have the part of his siblings AKA Jackal Squad being killed and that adding fuel to the fire.
But it really feels more like how you summarized it.
Not to mention IT CONTRADICTS MAIN STORY, because in game it eludes to that Infinite is a cyborg created by Eggman (with "Sonic prievous data" line or Tails and Amy radio transmitions from final Sonic and Avatar level)
Infinite's character is not bad, it's not even pathetic he is just NOTHING, absolutely nothing. Comparing his backstory to the ones in the Adventure games, 06, Frontiers, etc , it makes you question "What were they smoking?"
When was this explained in the game?
@@sotsta9103 Um....after his fight and in a final level? Or at least they elude to one which contridicts the comics
@@manuelinacio4038 Yeah, Infinite was definatly wasted, he needs Broly (from Dragon Ball Super) treatment (but for Sonic universe)
Idk if you've played it before, but if not I *HIGHLY* recommend playing P-06. its a remaster that aims to fix the issues of 06 and is generally really fun.
Yup P-06 IS INCREDIBLE!
He literally used P06 footage in this video bruh
Ayy same pfp
When I noticed the DLC for more playable characters, it made me wondered if they were originally gonna make Tails, Knuckles, and Amy playable in the story to somehow save Sonic from the cyber corruption until they rushed the other half of Sonic Frontiers.
Sonic CD's issue is that it's much more of an exploration game, rather than a regular Sonic game. If you go through the game with the mindset of finding Past gates, the perfect spot and/or way to time travel, and learn the Robot Capsule and/or Metal Sonic Projectors locations, it suddenly * clicks *. That's it's only issue and the reason people are so split on it. It's very niche in it's approach hence why some enjoy it, and some don't. I personally love it.
This is why i think sonic prime’s new yoke city is how forces’ egg-manland should have been portrayed
I honestly like the vibe of Sonic CD, it's stands out from the rest of the classic games, the music, level names, and metal sonic felt more important than the other metal sonics in the classic games. Ngl, I spent months on the collision chaos boss
I agree! It’s vibe really does stand out, only being matched by knuckles chaotix. Really uses all the right colors and shapes for the environments. And of course the M U S I C
The game is fun to play though as well I’d say.
Sonic CD always remains my most favorite classic game out of them all in the sonic franchise, Metal Sonic especially being in it's prime at that time.
"Sonic CD is overrated" ❎
"Sonic CD is overhated" ✅
45:05 Omg, yes!!! I thought I was the only one who enjoyed the werehog stages.
To be completely honest, my favorite is CD. The music, the atmospheres, the new characters, the art style, and most importantly, the time travel. Yeah, it may suck but it just makes the zones so much more interesting, and it kinda saddened me that they lost part of what made them cool in Mania.
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And again THE MUSIC it’s so damn good
Same
This game receives too much hate nowadays. Rings are in the walls because they are only obtainable in a certain time period.
CD's level design is meant to be challenging. Little Planet is a confusing world, and time travel is meant to be hard to do because, as you mentioned, it requires you to be skillful and reflexive to time travel. That Good Future ain't just gonna be handed to you!
You're right
I agree, if anything I think the level design adds to the atmosphere of little planet, this weird out of place world. I never found it too annoying. Maybe wacky workbench but I think it can be looked at as fun too with the right mindset
No dude, convoluted level design with large visual noise is not "challenging" game itself isn't hard, it's annoying artificial difficulty increase and no amount of nostalgia is gonna change it
At least crushers are in only one level.
Glad I'm not the only one who had an actual love for Sonic Unleashed. Thought I was crazy too
Trust me, people have grown to appreciate Unleashed, with good reason
Me who loved the game from the start 🙂
Honestly I can see why sonic heroes is a great game, I absolutely love how determined metal is to prove he’s the real sonic and will stop at nothing to do so even if it means tossing aside his own creator
Also, say what you will about Shadow The Hedgehog, it’s got a pretty good OST. I also wish they did a bit more of the non linear missions in some of the levels. Too much of the game was “kill X enemies, kill the good guys to be evil kill the bad guys to be good.” The game could have been really unique and they really explored Shadows character in the wrong direction. Delving into his past and origins was really good, I love learning about the ARK and that lore. We really should have explored Shadows memories more.
Hold on,son,is that you?
This is the kind of video that I really didn't know I wanted!
I'm honestly just happy that you're someone who actually understands that Sonic Boom isn't mainline.
Pretty agreeable ranking in my opinion. I am not completely sure if I would put heroes above SA1 and 2 personally, but it is definitely one of my top three Sonic games. Just like you, I remember being 4 years old and playing it on my Xbox whenever I boot it up. Its jank and my nostalgia aside, I still feel like it is a fun experience. When I replay it nowadays, I still have all the best shortcuts in my muscle memory, and I still always subconciously switch to the flight character when swapping rails just in case. Hang Castle is still forever one of my favorite 3D Sonic levels, both in terms of music and visuals.
In defense of the bad/medriocre games: the soundtrack is always a banger.
That's something that Sonic Team never misses. Even Free Riders has good songs
What about sonic chronicles and rise of lyric
Sonic Heroes number 1! You've gained a subsciber. I swear this game is so underrated and it deserves a lot more and is also my favourite sonic game!
I feel like Shadow sliding around makes alot more sense. Gameplay wise it’s annoying but again he’s wearing air shoes. He’s not running and therefore has no traction.
As a Heroes speedrunner and lover, it’s always nice to see it get attention that I think it deserves! I look forward to the dedicated Heroes video and hey if for some reason you want a speedrunner’s help, lemme know lol.
But fr tho, Sonic Heroes I think I a game a lot of people would appreciate if they played it more. It becomes better and more rewarding the more time you put into it, even casually. I had a full video script on this concept but never made the video, but I truly think it’s a game a lot of people could learn to love even without nostalgia!
I too sat cross legged with my gamecube +sonic heros at my grandma's...good times. Love that Unleashed was near the top, it is seriously underrated, down to the character dymanics and music alone for me. Great vid!!
sa2 is by far the game i have the most hours on (most of those are on the chao garden) and im really happy to see someone rank it above sa1 too
Most of the stuff you listed as negatives for sonic cd are reasons why I love it, I can’t really explain why I like it so much
Oh my god! Finally, someone whose favourite game ever is also sonic heroes! I thought I was a loner! And don’t worry, I will play the multiplayer any day with you!
My favorite (barring spinoffs because the storybook games have a special place in my heart) is probably Frontiers. Yeah the cyberspace levels aren't the best, but they have a fair bit of replayability if you're going for S ranks, and (almost) everything else is really solid. The story was good (opening 2 cutscenes alone were the best story we've had since Black Knight, and the rest elevates it up to being the same tier as the adventure games, hell aside from Gamma being replaced with Sage, the cast of characters is the same as Adventure 1) and does fanservice correctly with referencing past events in a way that's either plot relevant (as with the _Sonic 3 & Knuckles_ flashback) or is poking fun at previous games' flaws. Boss fights are fun, combat is fun, Sage is there and she is cute and deserves headpats, soundtrack is great especially titan fight themes, you can fosh with Big and the fishing being stationary makes it feel less like it's breaking up gameplay flow the way it did in Adventure 1 (like holy shit I'm actually enjoying Big the cat and fishing being in a Sonic game, what is this wizardry), etc.
My only real gripes with the game so far (being around 4/5th through the Tails island) are: the 2D sections that break up the pace; the camera controls being one of your toughest enemies; and the goddamn koko quests that not only break up the pace, but are really aggravating.
Probably one of, if not the most refreshing Sonic rankings I've seen. For one your list and how you feel about the games is different like most lists are, everybody's ranking is the same with the same opinions but your ranking is a lot different from others and it's so refreshing hearing some different opinions. Here's my ranking:
16. Sonic Forces (Talk about a gigantic fucking disaster from start to finish, SO much hype, SO much excitement, and so much promise only to be extremely disappointed with what we got, everything about this game is horrendous, need I say more) F-
15. Shadow the Hedgehog (I will give games credit for trying something new and different like this but it all relies on execution and that is a mess, the soundtrack on the other hand though is amazing) D
Here on up these games are decent to good to great:
14. Sonic Lost World (probably the most bland game in the series, it was enjoyable and fun enough to play but nothing more that, feels more like a Mario rip off than a Sonic game and it's no question why it feels like that) C-
13. Sonic CD (The level designs are all over the place for me, it's has nostalgia, and it was the game that gave us Amy and Metal Sonic, and I did have some fun playing this game, I just don't know what I was doing while I was having fun, still a game that I think is good enough though) C+
12. Sonic Colors (probably the biggest drop on my list, I had this game way higher before but after playing it 2 more times the flaws started to show way more, visually one of the most stunning games I've ever seen and the soundtrack is fucking awesome, but the story and characters and especially the writing is just so damn bad in this and there's times where the pacing really started to meander, to where now I say say this game is just solid) B-
11. Sonic O6 (Everything you said about is game is what I have to say, and I LOVE that, no where being a great game but it feels like everyone was focusing to much on the flaws with this game rather than the good because there are some really good things in this game, Princess Elise is what brings it down but still I think it's good enough) B-
10. Sonic Generations (I know this placement is gonna make others mad but here me out, on a gameplay level this game is a blast, and the level designs are amazing, lots of references and nostalgia, but in terms of story and characters, to me one of the weakest games in the franchise, one of the most fun games in the series but one of the lowest as far as story and characters) B+
9. Sonic Unleashed (A game I enjoyed much more on my 2nd playing, still not one of my top 5 favorites Sonic games but I noticed the positives much more and to me the last good 3d Sonic game we got for a while) B+
8. Sonic the Hedgehog (One of the first games I remember playing, and one of the most iconic games of all time, amazing music, looks great, and Green Hill Zone is iconic, tons of nostalgia and tons of memories, but as time goes on, it hasn't aged as well as it should, Green Hill and Starlight zone stages are great, but every other level made me wanna break something, but still a game I love and holds a special place in my heart) A-
7. A- Sonic Adventure 2 (it takes everything great about the first game and makes as a whole it might be better and Adventure 1, but I like revisiting the 1st one more) A-
6. Sonic Frontiers (I basically gave up on this franchise after Forces so I didn't have a whole lot of faith in this when it was announced, but after figuring out Ian Flynn was the writer for this game, that kinda peaked my interest, and I ended really liking it. It's not great, and there's still more room for improvement (hopefully🤞) and it feels more like a legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild game rather than a sonic game, but the gameplay, the style, and the overall concept they go for with this open world game I think is fantastic, but the 2 biggest positives are the soundtrack and writing, which are both fucking incredible!. So I think this game is very solid and definitely got this franchise back on track) A-
5. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (I think everyone can agree that this one improves on almost everything that the original did, but certain stages do kinda drag and a couple can be a bit boring bit still a great sequel and very nostalgic) A
4. Sonic Heroes (Story wise, nostalgia wise, character wise, SOUNDTRACK wise, and writing is top 5 level great, but the problem is that you have to beat each level 4 different times to move on and it gets a little bit tireing after a while, to where its not the most replay able games in this franchise, but one of the most nostalgic and best storytelling Sonic games) A
3. Sonic Adventure (A game that just nails everything and what I love about this franchise, it's just so sad that they didn't go in this direction further along in the franchise) A
These next 2 I have nothing to say about other then there just perfection, and in my top 10 favorite video games of all time.
2. Sonic Mania
1. Sonic the Hedgehog 3
When it comes to games and movies, I'm mostly a character and story guy, and when you give me a game or movie that's weak on those 2 things, it weights it down for me, even though there low I still like them a lot. Amazing work as usual thumbs👍
i have never disagreed with a top list that much as this one made me
well, that goes to show how different people can enjoy games
and thats honestly great cause that opens loots of windows to make a great debate
The tone shift going from Shadow the Hedgehog to Sonic Lost World felt like eating salted lemon and then drinking chocolate milk immediately afterwards
Oh my god I love ranking videos. I was not expecting this. Let's GOOOO
Edit:
3:13 this got me. It was really funny
PJ, calling the title Sonic 06 is pretty lame, let's rename it and call it Sonic The Hedgehog: Three Hopes. What do you think?
DUDE, WHEN I PLAYED FRONTIERS, THERE WAS NO FINAL BOSS, WHEN IT SAID THE END, IT JUST PLAYED THE CUT SCENE YOU GET AFTER KILLING IT AND SKIPPED THE FIGHT ENTIRELY 😭😭😭
My Sonic Games list
1. Sonic Adventure 2
2. Sonic Generations
3. Sonic Frontiers
4. Sonic Unleashed
5. Sonic Colours
6. Sonic Adventure 1
7. Sonic 2
8. Sonic Mania
9. Sonic 3 and Knuckles
10. Sonic Heroes
11. Sonic Lost World
12. Sonic 06
13. Sonic 1
14. Shadow The Hedgehog
15. Sonic CD
16. Sonic Forces
Sonic CD might be my favorite classic Sonic game rn besides Mania. Matthasnocuts actually has a great video about Sonic CD and why it’s better than you might think. In summary, many people’s problem with this game is that they play it like a classic sonic game where you go from point A to point B, and because of that the weird level layout throws them off. Instead, Sonic CD is all about learning the level layouts and using it to your advantage to time travel and destroy all the generators in the past. This game only really works when you get all the good futures, which is its biggest feature as well as its biggest drawback.
I learned this first hand. I played the game for the first time, didn’t time travel much, made it to metal sonic, died, and gave up on the game. A while later, I looked at the game more closely in some images, and found it’s vibe that I somehow missed the first time around. So I replayed the game to get a better feel for it, and ended up loving it! I now replay it every little while just to chill and bounce around the levels and time zones.
While I can respect your dislike towards Sonic CD, I have to wonder, perhaps you never really got very familiar with the game in the first place? While yes, the level design can be confusing at times and some people don't like it, the reason why there are rings inside the walls, is because of the time travel mechanism. The level layout changes depending on wether you are in the past, present or future, making these otherwise stuck inside a wall rings available. One other thing that I think you should be made aware of, is the fact that you do not need to travel between the past/future, in order to get the games good ending. The easier and more enjoyable approach is to use the special stages to get all the Time Stones. This will unlock the good future and you'll get the good ending of the game. This is the way I among many others prefer to play, to make it a lot more like a traditional 2D Sonic experience.
I honestly didn’t think hero’s would be here BUT I HAVE CORE CHILDHOOD MEMORIES OF THIS GAME
I also spent more time playing Sonic Heroes than any other game in my life! I would’ve been sitting right there next to you taking turns with the controller 😂✅ Amazing video! 10/10 !!! 💯
Sonic Forces probably objectively deserves to be as low as you placed it but I had a very delightful experience with it that has won me over on it. I havent played a minute of that game sober, and the bad writing instead came off as absolutely hilarious to me. I got an insane amount of enjoyment from it, and ironic enjoyment or not I had a delightful time with it
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I wouldn’t say he goes through his arc from SA2 again, and his arc in Shadow is still slightly different to Heroes.
SA2 was him realizing his real promise.
Heroes was him figuring out his past and declaring he’s still Shadow without them.
And Shadow the Hedgehog was him learning his past, and declaring to form his own destiny instead of having others and his past tell him what to do.
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Again it doesn’t, his arc leads to him not caring about Maria and saying Goodbye to the old Shadow the Hedgehog.
Basically the games there to conclude the amnesia arc, but still not have exactly the same Shadow from SA2.
Also I think the cyber levels only have four level designs because when they said most of the levels were going to be based off generations people weren’t all excited for that and some actually backlashed on it, so they probably cut some down and considered this game will have dlc than we might see more
There is something so charming about tails pointing out his own "wild inconsistency"
I'm so glad to find another person that loves Heroes, a lot of people dislike it but the game isn't bad at all. It's my favorite sonic game honestly.
Alright, I guess the Advance and Rush games aren't mainline even though they have canonical stories that introduced two of the most beloved characters in the franchise and traditional Sonic gameplay.
Shadow the Hedgehog was and still is one of my guilty pleasures just to hear him say "death to all who oppose me" and "this is who I am hahahaha" over and over 😅
I'm glad Sonic 06's stranglehold on the series lack of stories is over! SEGA is awesome for listening to its fans, but unfortunately the people who were critiquing them back then weren't doing it out of love--it was a trend to hate on Sonic and that's what thousands did. They misunderstood what Sonic's about, claiming the fact there was a serious story was an inherit issue instead of the writing being bad. Sonic's _existence_ was thanks to wanting to break the mold, stand out, be _ambitious!_ When Sonic Team was understandably too afraid of getting mocked like that and submitting to blander and blander ideas, the spirit of Sonic withered and this poison ran through this franchise's veins for years, but now, finally, we're moving on to a new frontier. Sonic Frontiers is my favorite for what it represents, but I get all of your opinions and thank you for making all these entertaining videos!
Sonic Frontiers is hands down my favorite. Mostly the characters and boss battles won me over.
Nah.
Thank you. I actually agreed with you a lot which doesnt happen with many ranking videos. So thank you for this, it was nice to watch :)
SONIC SCHOOLHOUSE IS PEAK GAMING
1. Adventure 2
2.adventure 1
3. Sonic 06
4. Sonic 2
5. Generations
6. Black knight
7. Unleashed
8. Frontiers
9. Sonic riders
10. Sonic advance 2
1. Sonic Adventure DX
2. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
3. Sonic Mania
4. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
5. Sonic Frontiers
6. Sonic CD
7. Sonic Heroes
8. Sonic 2
9. Sonic Advance 3
10. Sonic Advance 2
Yay adventure is my favorite too
I'm just Gonna say it and I don't care who disagrees or says it's overrated, Endless Possiblities is a Legendary Song next to His world
My ranking is:
18. Shadow the Hedgehog (This game is a cheap cash grab)
17. Sonic Lost World (It completely tossed out the boost and had an awful story)
16. Sonic Forces (The resistance should've been called the Freedom Fighters)
15. Sonic and the Secret Rings (Cool atmosphere, but it controls terribly with bad presentation)
14. Sonic 1 (It just isn't very good)
13. Sonic CD (It's the definition of mediocre)
12. Sonic 06 (It was ambitious, had great music and a good story minus Sonic's. It Had a vision, so I can respect it)
11. Sonic Mania (It's well made, it just isn't interesting and didn't need to exist)
10. Sonic Colors (To much 2D, the writing is awful, but it's still fun)
9. Sonic and the Black Knight (Great music, great story, decent controls)
8. Sonic Heroes (It's not Sonic Adventure 3, but it is still a lot of fun)
7. Sonic Adventure (It's great, SA2 just improved it in every way)
6. Sonic 3 and Knuckles (Great, but overrated)
5. Sonic 2 (The best 2D game barring Colors DS)
4. Sonic Unleashed (The medal collecting is the only bad part)
3. Sonic Frontiers (It was exactly what Sonic needed)
2. Sonic Generations (Its only fault is Modern having 2D sections and it's not long enough)
1. Sonic Adventure 2 (It's SA2, what more is there to say?)
"The Resistance should've been called The Freedom Fighters"
Nope this was after Sega ended their contract with Archie plus that wouldn't even happen anyway cause Penders.
@@cameussmith That isn't true, because the reboot still had the Freedom Fighters, because they were created before Penders joined.
@@bowserbreaker2515 Dude the reboot wasn't a thing till 2013, 4 years before Forces, and it still doesn't change the fact that Sega ended their contract with Archie, and again, Penders is an indifferent troll thinking he owns *EVERYONE!* The Freedom Fighters are not coming back, plus the Reboot was short lived it failed anyway, what's even the point of bringing it up.
I’m all for people having opinions. But this is probably the worst list I’ve ever seen.
this is the first video I see which Sonic Heroes is ranked first I am astonished
My own personal list of mainline games from worst to best just for fun, please leave your own on a reply, I'd love to see them!!
~~ 18. Sonic 4: Episode I - 4/10
~~ 17. Sonic Colors - 6/10, don't hate it, just meh🤷♀️
~~ 16. Sonic Adventure 2 - 6/10, I'm assuming most people will click off here ☠️. To make a long story short, I just find the treasure hunting a more tedious version of SA's and the mech stages dreadful or boring, so I basically thing two thirds of the game are mid to outright bad. Everything else, story, OST, Sonic/Shadow stages etc I love just like everyone else
~~ 15. Shadow The Hedgehog - 6/10, do wanna point out how the "guns in Sonic is out of place, bad and cringe" argument is idiotic to put it mildly real quick. The Fleetway comics had guns, all 3 90s shows had guns, Archie Sonic comics had guns, hell the mainline timeline already had guns, Nack the Weasel in the Classic Era and Robotnik and G.U.N. soldiers in the Adventure Era. So yeah, get lost with that argument smh, objectively factually wrong if you say that
~~ 14. Sonic Heroes - 6/10
~~ 13. Sonic Lost World - 7/10
~~ 12. Sonic CD - 7/10
~~ 11. Sonic Mania - 7/10, don't get me wrong, great game, but the second coming of Christ kind of peak everyone pretends it is? Mm, no, not even close, excited for more 2D Sonic however, can't wait for the sequels!
~~ 10. Sonic Forces - 7/10, I agree with the criticism over tone and writing for the most part but the hate is definitely blown out of proportions when it comes to gameplay 100%, Forces IS fun to play, it's just an OK game overall.
~~ 9. Sonic Adventure - 7/10, if Big's campaign wasn't a thing this would have ended up higher 😂
~~ 8. Sonic 06 - 7.5/10, I will never understand the hate for this game. Criticism over the story is hypocritical since people criticize the inconsistencies and conveniences, if that's the case then we can literally rip every single mainline game no exceptions to shreds, we can rip SA2 wide open the same way as well. Dropping that hypocritical debate out of the window and looking at the plot through the same lense as the rest of the games, it's easily one of the best stories in the franchise. Easily the best villain of the franchise (Mephiles), easily the best soundtrack of the franchise, at the time the best acting in the franchise outside of SatAM, best character models in the franchise especially the main trio (deadass, if that Robotnik design originated from SA2 and not 06 people would have loved it, bias over 06 is that strong), best characterization of the established cast in the entire franchise, tied with IDW's comics (aside from Shadow, 06 steps on IDW Shadow any day). 06's frame rate is its only major issue (no, I don't think the glitches are, have played the game 3 times and I've almost never had an issue, plus loading screens are many but load super fast it is literally no big deal except if you're doing Town Missions), but since it's a big one so it definitely deserves points redacted from it.
~~ 7. Sonic Frontiers - 7.5/10, Meta Era is officially over with this bad boy, a new era begins, one that thankfully appears to feel very Adventure Era-ish, future looks bright
~~ 6. Sonic 3 & Knuckles - 8/10, I know I know, yet another kinda hot take, great game, just don't think it's as fun as 1 and 2, sometimes it feels too busy and I don't enjoy a lot of the Zones thematically, especially in comparison to the rest of the trilogy and CD.
~~ 5. Sonic 1 - 8/10
~~ 4. Sonic 4: Episode II, 9/10 if you wanted to punch me before now you probably wanna kill me🥴, every time I look back on this game I think to myself "Yeah, it doesn't look or feel like a 9/10 game, what am I talking about?!", then I replay it and love almost everything about it every single time. I don't LOVE love it enough to die on a hill protecting it, I don't have any strong feelings towards it, go ahead it rip it to shreds if you so wish, I just think it's a great, short experience albeit forgettable AF story-wise
~~ 3. Sonic 2 - 9/10, best 2D Sonic has to offer (from mainline releases at least, I consider Advance 3 and Rush Adventure better)
~~ 2. Sonic Unleashed - 9/10, now THIS game I have strong feelings for, pretty sure it's universally agreed upon that Daytime Unleashed stages are the peak of the mountain that is the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise. They feel like those fake, gamerbait E3 trailers from back in the day only not a bait and actually playable and as gorgeous as initially presented. Playing the Daytime stages of Unleashed to this day feels kind of unreal, I don't have the words to describe it but I also feel like I don't have to, most of you probably feel the same way. Also, Werehog? Fun AF, miss that stretchy guy.
~~ 1. Sonic Generations - 10/10 if I had to criticize anything here it would be the missed opportunity of making the Time Eater plot a Sonic 06 style of story, with that concept and stakes it'd have been epic. I adore the game on everything else. I have zero nostalgia for any Sonic game, having played no Sonic games throughout my childhood and teen years (got into Sonic after my military service in 2021) and yet Sonic Generations' references and callbacks bring a tear to my eyes. Racing Classic Tails as Modern Sonic with Super Sonic Racing from Sonic R in the background, facing Shadow on the ARK with Live & Learn in the background, playing Crisis City with His World, returning to the roofs of Spagonia with Endless Possibility on full blast. Generations feels like a Greatest Hits compilation but in a very genuine, heartwarming way, not a cash grabbing way. It referenced and included almost every spin-off and mainline game in the franchise and basically paid tribute to them all, it felt like the culmination of my journey as a Sonic fan at the time, like all those shows and films I'd watched, all the comics I'd read and all the games I'd played led me to Generations. I don't think it's an objective 10/10 game in retrospect but to me? Yeah, it will always be the game that looked at me in the eyes and told me "All those Sonic games you played, it was all worth it, here's why", and that feeling is irreplaceable.
PS: If we also wanted to count Sonic BOOM: Rise of Lyric, since while not canon to the main timeline it's still a major Sonic release just on a different timeline, I'd probably place it in-between Forces and Adventure. Shadow, Metal Sonic and Robotnik are painfully out of place and badly utilized and those Subway Surfers looking running sections have bad frame rate. Everything else? I think it's pretty good, a very fun game overall, the cutscenes especially were delightfully directed and animated. RoL Knuckles wasn't a complete dummy as well which I liked, something the show unfortunately changed.
You did not put Sonic 2 so low bro it is peak
Finally some respect on Sonic Unleashed
Im just gonna say it: 06 isnt really all that bad. Yes the glitches made us think everything was wrong with it.
But, the story was pretty well written, the characters felt true, the level design is done well, and the soundtrack is still the best in the franchise.
And P-06 proves this.
I will say there is one time, only one time where sonic forces can be fun. This is just my take. The game was only fun when you’re trying to complete it, not finish it complete it. I repeat, you only get any semblance of fun AFTER you finish the game. That’s because there are actual challenges to do, objects to get that are piss easy but not brainless. Some of those silver rings are a bit challenging. Trophy hunting that game for platinum was sort of fun for me at the end. I wasn’t having a blast but in comparison it’s the only moment in that game I wasn’t bored. This is an extreme inherent flaw, these days you have tons of games competing with each other. To ask a player to finish your game is asking a lot, especially if you could play something better. When this game can’t hold up on its own it’s a severe flaw. The fact that you need to finish a boring game in order to get some semblance of entertainment is absurd to me. This is just my take, I wonder if anyone else thinks anything different or similarly.
My Opinion:
16. Shadow The Hedgehog(6/10) This game is mediocre and I do not care about the story, it’s very boring
15. Sonic Forces(6/10) It’s slightly better than the last one because few stages I think it’s great?
14. Sonic 06(6/10) It seems the worst but it shows have a magical story that I think it’s creative
13. Sonic1(6/10) There’s 3 Bad Zones and 3 Good Zones, Bad Zones as Marble, Labyrinth and Final Zone
12. Sonic Lost World(8/10) Just one issue, those villains is the worst in fiction history
11. Sonic Heroes(8/10) Those control are not impressive and stages keep repeat but still a wonderful game
10. Sonic Adventure(8/10) It feels freedom and fun, just the Big Story is boring
9. Sonic CD(8/10) Those Bosses are a joke but those stage is not that bad actually, at least better than Sonic 1
8. Sonic Unleashed(8/10) It’s just the Werehog stages but it’s not a big issue.
7. Sonic 3(9/10) I can just say this doesn’t have some good stages but Ice Cap is the best zone in Sonic History.
6. Sonic 2(9/10) It’s a bit more fun than Sonic 3
5. Sonic Generations(9/10) It bring back some a lot memorable stages like Green Hill, City Escape…
4. Sonic Adventure 2(9/10) It’s Nearly Perfection, the all those zones are pretty fun.
3. Sonic Colours(10/10)(DS)
2. Sonic Mania, It’s almost Number 1 but those boss are not the best.
1. Sonic Frontiers, I don’t need to say how great it is
All i gotta say is CD under 06 is actually criminal
What is a better game?
Super mario odyssey or sonic frontiers
(I did this matchup because I thought mario odyssey vs sonic forces was a really unfair matchup back then)
Odyssey but only because I enjoyed it more than sonic unleashed
@@Pwilliams4000 do you mean sonic frontiers, not unleashed
@@imtiyazyasir23 yeah frontiers I mean frontiers
Here's the reason I actually like Shadow the Hedgehog from a story perspective.
I view it as basically a Rougelike with different potential endings for the character if different certain steps are taken, each leading to him becoming a good or bad person, but the True Ending is just the return to who he actually is based on the foundations set in previous games.
I still don't think its the best game in the series, I think the gun controls could have done well to take some inspiration from the Adventure titles or possibly been enhanced to be more similar to actual shooters and yeah the games a bit glitchy sometimes, especially on the GameCube release. I couldn't ever say it's a 10/10 game and tbh if someone says it's bab or trash, I really have no argument against that. It just so happens to be trash I find myself enjoying more often than not and rated 8.5/10 based purely on that.
Super Shadow being able to actually use Chaos Spear and the subsequent Shadow Rifle may be where about half of that score came from though-
I also believe this is the game that introduced the idea of losing a set number of rings instead of all of them which is highly appreciated, albeit I wish we could get that feature in a game where Rings are actually used as currency like in Adventure 2.
You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
The fact that you put #1 is honestly deserved
It's not perfect, but god it's a fun game
For me, Sonic Heroes was the game that introduced me to the franchise and i believe it's an amazing game even with its flaws
Great video PJ, whenever i have a chance i watch your videos and especially the character analysis ones.
About your list, well i really can't even make a list of games of my own beacuse i have only played SA2 since i was a kid and a little of the classic Sonic games on genesis way later....... But i also can relate on your take on Sonic Heroes, even today i can still play and enjoy SA2 Battle the same way i did as a kid back then. If today i'm a Sonic fan, watching your videos and writing this, is all thanks to that game and the unforgettable memories i have with it. Please keep doing a great job on your videos, they really are something especial and i will continue to support you in anyway i can (y)
Sonic is an interesting franchise for me. My favorite games (Colours, Frontiers and SA2) I can DEFINITELY say aren't the absolute best. They're great imo, but not the best. There's just something about them that leads them to stand out in my mind, and I see a lot of people having a similar experience with their favorites
As long as Sonic Heroes is number one, I like the list
Here's my own ranking. Note i will be including Spin-offs as well and I haven't play all of the main sonic games including some spin-offs i don't mind trying out.
10)Battles: I play this on an emulator but not too much. Which is why it is low here.
9)Secret Rings: The story is okay, but the gameplay, oh my gosh was it annoying. The game's not bad but I personally think Black Knight gameplay is good.
8)Rivals: This was my childhood Sonic Game even if Sonic Heroes was my first. Now I personally don't care for it and I don't see myself getting Rivals 2.
7)Forces: i like the game play but it's the story that annoys me. Mainly because of how wasted infinite was. And sometimes I don't have fun with it especially with the 2D sonic levels. The music is good, ii like making your own avatar but even then it's not enough for me to say it's good.
6)Black Knight: II love the gameplay there just swinging a sword around and I found it a huge improvement to Secret Ring. Sure Ii don't like the villain too much since we don't see them too much but i wouldn't say they are the worst.
5)Riders and Riders Zero Gravity: I used to prefer zero gravity over Riders, but when i look back on it, they both have something i like. Riders have good stage design, Zero Gravity have fun gameplay. Overall i like them but
4)Mania: I like mania and I wanted it to be my favorite, but looking back i don't think it's deserve to be that high when i lasted played it.
3)Rush: It was so fun and when i finally beat it two years ago i was so happy. Blaze is a great character and I have fun with the gameplay of both Sonic and Blaze... I don't like the final special stage for the last emerald though.
2)Heroes: This is one of my favorite sonic games as it was my first and looking back it was fun to watch and I hope ii can play it and finally beat it after years.
1)Frontiers: Do i need to say why it is awesome... Well, yes. Great boss fights, great music, great characters interaction, having two of my favorite ending songs, those being Dear Father and One way dream, I love everything about it. Is it my favorite Sonic game of all time... IDK I still love it and it's the reason why it's number 1 but like I said i have yet to play some and beat all fo the sonic games, but overall, Frontiers is amazing.
So yeah that's my own ranking I'm happy to shared
i admittedly have not played anything past shadow, aside from mania. sonic 3 & knuckles is still one of my favorite games of all time. this is coming from someone who doesn't play a lot of platformers. sonic heroes is kino too. love that game.
I was going to disagree with you on your #1 spot, but I couldn't help but smile the entire time watching it back. Even the levels I remember hating as a child made me smile about the hatred. Heroes was a great game sadly eclipsed at the time by Adventure 1 and 2. I fell off the sonic wagon not long after Heroes and maybe I should go back and explore some of the more modern games besides Generations.
Bad list.
@@bakedbeans5494 good list.
@@bakedbeans5494your opinion btw
3:36 Holy shit I never knew they shortened them that much 💀
Bro went from Hot to cold
Young Adventurer to "I remember back in my day"
My favorite sonic games are:
1-Sonic Adventure
2-Sonic Adventure 2
3-Sonic 2006 (Yes, i know)
4-Sonic Mania
I still doesn't have played other famous games like sonic heroes but for now this is my list!
My rank of every Sonic Game from best to worst (In my opinion) :
*) 𝗦 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗠𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗽𝗶𝗲𝗰𝗲)
1. Sonic Adventure 2
2. Sonic Unleashed
3. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
4. Sonic Adventure
5. Sonic Mania
6. Sonic Frontiers
*) 𝗔 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗔𝗺𝗮𝘇𝗶𝗻𝗴)
7. Sonic Generations
8. Sonic & The Black Knight
9. Sonic Riders
10. Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity
11. Sonic Colors
12. Sonic Rush
*) 𝗕 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗚𝗼𝗼𝗱)
13. Sonic Advance Trillogy
14. Sonic 2
15. Sonic Rush Adventure
16. Sonic CD
17. Sonic 1
18. Sonic Heroes
*) 𝗖 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗗𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘁)
19. Sonic 06
20. Sonic & The Secret Rings
21. Sonic Lost World
22. Shadow The Hedgehog
23. Sonic Boom Fire & Ice
*) 𝗗 𝗧𝗶𝗲𝗿 (𝗕𝗮𝗱)
24. Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystall
25. Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyrics
26. Sonic Forces
27. Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood
28. Sonic 4: Episode 2
29. Sonic 4: Episode 1
30. Sonic Free Riders
Shadow the Hedgehog is the most 2000s video game I’ve ever seen in its attempt to be edgy. The soundtrack is mostly grungy metal, the aesthetic is extremely emo and 2000s, it is the most 2000s game that isn’t The World Ends With You, and I love that.
1.sonic 3
2.sonic unleashed
3.sonic frontiers
4.sonic adventure 2
5.sonic mania
6.sonic generations
7.sonic 2
8.sonic cd
9.shadow the hedgehog(yes really)
10.sonic adventure
11.sonic 1
12.sonic lost world
13.sonic colors
14.sonic heroes
15.sonic 06
16.sonic forces
Me personally sonic forces is my favorite sonic game, it was the first sonic game i ever played and is the reason why I'm such a huge sonic fan
It may be a gamble in the eyes of SEGA, but if they were smart, and maybe a little bold, they’d hire an indie dev, or a portion of Sonic Team, to make a Blaze and Silver spin-off game. Maybe make it 2D, and have Eggman Nega be the big threat? While you play as Silver and Blaze, exploring the future and the Sol dimension? Maybe a story involving Sonic is unlocked later. Personally, I think Silver and Blaze deserve some spotlight too. They’re still so full of storytelling potential. Maybe they learn how to be a more cohesive team? Trying to be like Sonic and Tails, but realize they aren’t. Maybe they learn more, and how to adapt, to each other’s worlds? Eggman Nega is from the future, so he could find a way to travel between Silver’s future and Blaze’s dimension. We know there’s still a number of fans that want more from the spectacular duo. It could be 2D, with the style of Sonic Rush, and the gameplay of advance 1-3.
I like this list. There are games in places I totally didn't expect, but after hearing what you had to say about them I also understand why. Sonic CD is probably better to me than Sonic 1, for example, but I can also 100% agree the level design can be obtuse and honestly pretty garbage sometimes. I didn't really like Unleashed, but I only got to play the Wii version, so I can't fairly judge it. Maybe someday if I start uploading like at all, I'll do a list like this.
If you have a PC you can get the Xbox Unleashed on an emulator. I used to play the Xbox version religiously, and the emulator holds up super well to what I remember - better even because the environmental graphics are superior to the Xbox 360 version I had.
The only issue I have found is that in the hubs the werehog's graphics downgrade - not horribly, but it is noticeable. Also the cache gets overflowed like once an hour and you have to hit f5 to reset it. So if you see a cutscene go black or the polygons glitch out, just hit f5.
The game itself is in peak condition for an emulator though. Those two drawbacks is all I have seen as an issue. If you don't have an Xbox, it's fine.
This is a controversial opinion I really like sonic forces
Why ?
Me to
Agreed
I always loved Forces
My list
1. Sonic 2
2. Sonic Mania
3. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
4. Sonic Generations
5. Sonic 1
6. The rest
I would've switched some games here/ranked then differently, but what I love about your videos how much I agree on them and often has the same opinion :) I didn't liked CD because of Level design and yes I love Unleashed. I know some who would disagree with me and I don't mind, but it's always nice to see someone with the same opinion as well.
My ranking would probably have been (from worst to best):
Forces
CD
Lost Worlds
Colours
1
Shadow the Hedgehog
Generations
Heroes
2
3
Mania
Adventure 1
Adventure2
Unleashed
Frontiers
Sadly I didn't had the chance to play the original 06 (only played the P06 Fan Project a bit), so I can't rank it fairly.
Imagine if they made a sonic frontiers one and two. Where in one they lose and sonic “dies” and eggman wins and begins construction. And no2 is the the aftermath of one where eggman land is setup and the story pushes on.
As someone who's getting the Sonic Heroes GameCube disc tattooed next month, you have my heart on that ranking 😅
Knuckles chaotix is the best sonic game. If you master the thether, you can go faster than any sonic game has ever before. Slingshoting and asterfully speeding across huge cool vaporwave style levels. The controls are so satisfying, and each charge up and slingshot is so great. The music is amazing, and the game keep up the variety by having a random level chosen. It makes things never get boring. I revisit this game often.
S Tier: Sonic Generations, 3&K, CD, SA1
A Tier: Unleashed, Heroes, SA2, Sonic 2, Sonic Mania
B Tier: Sonic Riders, Sonic Advance series, Sonic Colors, Sonic Frontiers
C Tier: Storybook series, 06, Sonic 1
Never ever Tier: Lost World, Forces
Side note: I will play heroes multiplayer with you on dolphin
Well first off I just want to say that I got SO excited when I saw that you uploaded. And I really like your opinion of these games. I haven’t played many Sonic games, because I don’t have access to them yet. And yet I still agree with all this. So thanks for making this video. And I hope you reach your next subscriber goal soon!
If nothing else, Sonic '06 gave us the fantastic LP by Pokecapn. That series was a doctoral thesis on the psychology of mental breakdown.
4:23-hmmmm, have you been watching somecallmejohnnys review of sonic forces because it seems like you and johnny have the same opinions
Classic Sonic in 3 looks like a fusion of Classic and Dreamcast/Modern Sonic, which is cool foreshadowing.
Sonic Generations would have been the best if they got Classic Sonic right, but they didn't, unfortunately. Mainly the lack of any momentum like the classic games (sort of like your Sonic 4 clip). He basically just felt like a worse version of Modern Sonic and it bummed me out.
The first cutscene of Unleashed was something else man.
I remember plugging this bad boy in my ps2 back in the day and how flabbergasted i was when i saw the cutscene. I literally turned my ps2 off and on again immediately, just to watch it again.
I don't have to much negative to say about the live action sonic movies but damn, that we never got an animated sonic movie in that art/animation-style is crime towards the fanbase.