18th Century Packing & Carrying Methods.
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Author gives a short talk on carrying methods including the use of the "tumpline". He shows the "scrip/Haversack" that he uses and shows his knapsack and bedroll. The bedroll is opened to show what the author carries inside. If you trek in winter, this video is worth watching.
The author is a member of the New England Colonial Living History Group 1680-1760 which is based in Wychwood Forest, just outside of Armidale NSW, New England, Australia.
I'm glad you are taking the time to share your knowlege. People don't realize how valuable it is. Whether for living history, survival, or just plain simplicity in woodscraft. Here in Virginia the weather is variable and the mountains high. What kit you carry and how you carry it is important. In the military we said: "The mission determines the gear." Weather as well. Knowing different ways to carry your kit gives some flexibility for those times when you need more. Like now in the winter.
I would also like to see more of that pack. Particulary how you have the straps fastened to it. Thanks for the vids, they're always great!
@NWBushman You noticed that! Well I guess it is a good sign my friend that people are paying attention & want to learn more about this stuff.
Thank you, much appreciated.
Keith.
I use a possibles bag when black powder hunting. I have one for each caliber so I don't have to find anything but the correct bag. Flintlock is after Christmas in Pennsylvania. Alot of night temperatures will be below freezing. So we stick close to the cabin. Great video Keith. We can always use another period correct hunter if you are available. Bring your warm clothes if you want to come. We eat good at the cabin.
Many thanks for the offer Timothy, but I rarely leave my forest home these days. Just as a matter of interest, a possibles bag was or is a large hold-all bag used by plains Indians carried on a travois, it is not a shot pouch.
Many thanks also for commenting, very much appreciated.
Sincere regards,
Keith.
Yeah. I understand what you're saying not leaving your woods. I'm getting there myself. My first bag was nothing more than a leather woman's purse bought a a flea market 50 or so years ago. I still have it.
Found some copper screens and made a classifier to make black powder. I gathered some grape vine wood a few years back to make the charcoal.
I love black powder history. My country is very rich from wars, pirates, trapping moutain men, and gun makers from all over Europe bringing their styles to the US
@@timothyrothrock4173 An interesting history indeed Timothy. I will add a couple of sites you might be interested in.
minuteman.boards.net/
woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com/
Regards, Keith.
Good to hear from you. I too like to travel light, but I pack & carry for long term wilderness survival, & always carry the same gear. When packing for the trail as I do, there must always be some compromise between minimum weight & maximum self-reliance.
Regards, Keith.
You are very welcome. Thank you for the feedback Sir.
Keith.
I agree Gurkipal, I hate bulging pockets. I have no pockets in my breeches, just two small pockets in one of my waistcoats. I use the haversack for foraging along the trail, it is very handy.
Regards, Keith.
It’s really neat to see what y’all carry down under ! And how y’all think ! We are a lot alike I carry a lot of the same gear and same way ! That’s what I love about living history is learning how and what works and what don’t for each individual! Iam hear in what would been The frontier In 1780s in the the states , they say that the rivers were so colorful because of the painted native canoes ! Have a great day Keith
Good day Alexander. Actually many like myself over here prefer the American frontier living history, it was earlier than here in Australia & is much more fun. So most of my research is done on the American colonial era rather than Australia.
You take care out there mate.
Keith.
hey Keith
as allways this is some great infomation on the old school way,addvice from a great man for the 18th century life in the bush, enjoy life my friend!!!!!
Thank you for your kind words & the information.
Regards, Keith.
It certainly seems that way comm. Personally I get more out of something if I am doing it myself. For me, reasearch is fun, still so much more to learn.
Take care comm.
Regards, Keith.
:-) every time you post a video, you end up having to post two more with other info about "something" to do with the previous post :-)
I guess it shows you know your stuff, people enjoy your work & you really are the real deal! Thanks for sharing you wealth of knowledge Keith.
Good vid. I do a canadian 1750. I use a burden strap tied to an oil cloth bag with essentials. Blanket gets wrapped around the bag. In my blanket is a thick pair of wool leggins, wool socks, wool mits, and dry linen shirt. I wear either a breachclout or leggins depending and stash the other in the blanket. Same for tugue or silk scarf. I usually have a short gilet on as I am milice-militia. Linen shirt all year, wool shirt on top of it for cool weather. In the winter I wear a capot too.
Thank you Candy, much obliged.
Regards, Keith aka Le Loup.
Yes, it does seem never ending doesn't it. Rather like research, always posing another question.
I will see what I can do Critter.
Regards.
Thank you. Good to hear from a fellow woodsman. Like your gear list.
Regards, Keith.
Good to hear from you again. I would be pleased to view your future videos & comment. Thank you for asking.
Regards, Keith.
You're awesome. So glad this is on youtube!
I do pack a 5X8 piece of oil cloth which is correct for my impression. It is used for shelter, but also as a hammock at night now. I herniated 4 of my lumbar disks and sleeping on brush or a tick makes for pain. I use hemp rope 1/4 inch on each end. I'm about 190 lbs, 5'9". It made the difference between continuing with living history or quitting. The burden strap and oil cloth bag is essentially a snap sack. See you all on the trail.
I love that you've found a way to continue with living history! So sorry to hear about your back, though!
Thank you for the feedback, much appreciated.
Keith.
Another excellent and informative video. Thanks.
I know what you mean by not going to sleep in wet clothes. I always carry a dry set of clothes to change into at night in warmer months or wear along with my other clothes if it's colder.
@entmage Yes, those one strap packs tend to do that don't they. But these one strap packs were used in the 17thc. & 18thc. I guess either people just put up with it, or they had a habit of holding the straps or occasionally repositioning.
But at least you tried it out & gave it a good test. Sometimes learning by experience is the only way.
Excellent videos Sir! I am just getting into the period stuff, so will be checking out more of what you have done here. Thank you
Well thought out or tested should i say. I always enjoy your videos. Merry Christmas
Thank you, appreciated. I hope you have a good one.
Take care, Keith.
Definitely the way to go. Lighter than carrying extra bedding.
Regards, Keith.
Since it seems like you always have to post more videos for every video you post..lol... would you consider doing a video on the ruck sack it self that you use?
I really enjoy your videos and always learn from them. Thank you.
Thanks Keith! Great explanation as always! I very much enjoy your video's! Tom
Thank you, appreciated.
Keith.
@iamsnake21 Great man! Wow. Thank you my friend, really nice to hear stuff like this whilst one is alive instead of praising them after they have passed away. That always pi**es me off when I see that happen.
I really appreciate your comments.
Regards, Keith.
I always admire elder people for the knowledge they gathered together during decades.
There is nothing wrong with the audio. Mr. Burgess talks quieter than nowadays' attentionseekers and he's deliberated on what he says. I like that.
Mr. Burgess, how come you don't use any socks in your bedroll?
Actually I am looking for a better camera with a directional mic. Hope to get one soon.
Interesting you mention no socks in my blanket roll. Only recently I was saying just that in a conversation with someone. I do not generally wear socks or stocking with my moccasins, but I was thinking that perhaps I could put wool socks over the moccasins at night in winter.
Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated.
Regards, Keith.
Keith H. Burgess what about pac shoes ? I will wear wool socks at night when it’s cold but I always have a extra pair of Mocs ! When it starts to get cold I wear my winter pac shoes !
Thank you. No mate, not me. I rarely leave the forest these days.
Regards, Keith.
Yes mate, born 250 years too late!
Thank you for your comment, appreciated.
Regards, Keith.
Hey Keith, great video. Were you at the eastern primitive rendezvous this year? I heard we had an Aussie there this year and I was guessing it may have been you. Cheers.
I like the concept of a simple old timey style camping. I prefer modern materials applied to antique designs. My kit is a mix of old and new but carried in a horseshoe blanket roll and haversack. Where I live lightweight,waterproof, and warm are my requirements.
@TomsBackwoods Thanks Tom, appreciated.
thanks for showing.
kind regards
streetartist
Hi John. I don't like carrying accoutrements in the blanket roll, it does not work for me. I prefere the blanket because is is very versatile, far more so than anything else I can think of. But it is a historical & personal choice.
Regards, Keith.
@ducttapewireandglue Very nice of you to say so, thank you, & you are welcome.
veri informative and interesting.. thanks!
You got it brother, thank you
I have not read any primary accounts of hammocks being used in the 18th century on land, but the fact that they were available & used onboard ships means that it is possible that they were used on land. If your persona is one that may have come in contact with a hammock at some time, then you have a precedent for using one.
I will do a little research for you & PM you.
Regards, Keith.
I have a question relating to colder weather clothing. Would a hand knit scarf be period appropriate? I know knitting was fairly common at the time, and as you mentioned your wife made you that lovely knit cap. I can't think of something simpler to knit than a scarf, and quite useful in colder weather, but never see or hear anyone mention one. Thanks.
Hi shadowstalker. A little foggy this morning, I have the flu, but I do remember doing some research on this some time ago. Unfortunately I did not find any primary evidence that knit scarves were used in the 18th century. I will add a link here to one of my articles that may help.
It is also quite feasible that a person may carry & use a breechclout in winter as a scarf, I have done so myself. Also I think it reasonable that someone may use strips of blanket for the same purpose.
Regards, Keith.
woodsrunnersdiary.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/one-blanket-winter-camping.html
Personally I find it difficult to find anything similar in the settlement of the two countries. Australia was a penal colony. True some settlers in the American colonies were indentured & used like slaves, but only for 4 to 7 years.
Life here was much harder, the ground being very poor for growing one's own food. The first colony almost starved. But the natives here did not invade homes like the woodland Indians did in America. Interpreting Australian history is not as much fun.
Regards, Keith.
Ah I see, my apologies. Early settlement here in regards to clothing would have been much the same as the Revolution period clothing in America. The prisoners had very little in the way of clothing or equipment. The military would have had uniforms & military issue equipment, that is all. Some gardening tools were provided, as were carpenters' tools.
There were a number of political prisoners from Canada, so I guess it is possible these men may have been wearing moccasins.
Regards, Keith.
I don't think they set out to destroy the natives & their culture, I think they simply didn't care.
Regards, Keith.
the hava sack I have beem using for year , packets are bogous I dont ever put pockets in my garments and I have never lost any thing with the bag pockets develope holes . thanks gs
You are the first to complain, may I suggest you wear headphones.
Keith.
@jkd185 Your'e welcome.
@woodcrafter76 I am working on it mate. I will have a crack at it tomorrow. If you want to see some stills in an article I wrote, go to my blog: A Woodsrunner's Diary (just google it).
Regards, Keith.
What kind of leather do you always use for your packs?
Thanks, God's1scout
Only the straps on some packs are leather. I use whatever second hand leather I can get if I think it is strong enough.
Keith.
Love these primitive packs. I've made a couple from reindeer-hides this winter. I'll be doing some treks with them this spring and summer and I'll probably post some videos beforehand, during and after. It'd be great if you'd check them out and give feedback. With your experience I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Eirik - Norwegian fan :0)
Thank you. If I can be of any assistance, please feel free to contact me Sarge.
Regards, Keith.
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snap! I was born 250 years too early!!
Santa part time ?
Too bad about the audio being below the threshold of Human Hearing... lol
*very :)
Please go to my blog for documentation jmelius1.
A Woodsrunners Diary (blog).
Hey Keith, its because of our "New world" "Get someone else to think for you and do for you and I want it NOW or I will lose interest. The "Jack of all trades or Handyman" is lost in the past :-(
Not sure what extra "leather stuff" you are refering to. Obviously you are not very knowledgible regarding the 17th & 18th centuries in regards to equipment & accoutrements. May I respectfully suggest that after searching my blog, you do further research yourself. Simply putting items into google search should find you some information. Period paintings are also a good place to look.
Make sure you site primary documentation rather than tertiary or secondary.