14:57 - I'd like to note that the name is not just Sebastian Bach. JOHANN Sebastian Bach, who wrote the song RJ liked to hear Rosalind Harker (RJ's girlfriend) play. And Johann is a form of... JOHN.
Brilliant theory about the tattoo. Red John had inside knowledge of the Blake Assoc. by previously using them to do his bidding but Red John is smart enough to not "mark" himself permanently. Whether it was Red John or not who killed the P.I. they were to make sure she saw the tattoo and live long enough to tell someone to throw Jane off. Red John did reveal himself in the house before the bomb went off but Jane doesn't want to say who it is so he can have him all to himself (not Bertram).
Another point you missed: HEISMAN. Remember, painted on the wall? take a look at 00:52 , that trophy at the right it's a Heisman. Bruno Heller is crazy for that horrible final
I knew it couldn't be Haffner because red John wanted Jane to kill Lisbon but Haffner had feelings for her, I don't think he would choose her for Jane to kill. He was really interested in her
Haffner could have considered his feelings for Lisbon (if he really had them, which I doubt) as a weakness. He didn't kill her when he had the chance before (when he drew the face on her face), and might have regretted letting her live. When he saw a chance of Jane joining him, having Lisbon killed would serve more than one purpose: he knew Jane liked Lisbon, so it would be a real test of Jane's loyalty to him, and also he would get rid of Lisbon who could possibly sway either of them off their path and thus being a serious distraction. He might also have felt slighted by Lisbon and might have wanted her to be killed for that - he has killed for less.
I haven't watched the video yet. But there was NO WAY Haffner was Red John. Jane tricked and humiliated Haffner. I can see Red John doing something to throw Jane off but not that. When Jane's list was revealed, there were people that were WAY too unlikely and Haffner was 3rd on my ranking. #1 least likely was Kirkland. Jane did not meet him until after Lorelei was in custody. I doubt she found out Jane and Red John met after that. #2 Bertram. Bertram's problem with losing at poker and Jane showing him how his fake tell was giving him away. I might buy the judge but not Bertram. #3 Haffner. Jane tricked and humiliated Haffner. #4 Stiles. I was convinced Red John was in law enforcement. Stiles had enough connection to law enforcement to maybe pull it off but that would have required too many people reporting events to him. Red John's success became because no one knew who he was. No one in the Blake Association knew who the leader was. A case could be made for Oscar but that had to be only toward the end. If Red John's plan had worked out, Oscar would have been dead. Probably suicide. I doubt Oscar did not know this. #5 Reede Smith. It was my feeling that Red John was in law enforcement; moreover, he was in California law enforcement. Not FBI. #6 Partridge. Sometimes I thought it could be him because he was on my unlikely list without good reason. #7 McAllister. I have not seen the episode he first appeared in. I have seen the rock, paper, scissors. That might have been enough to make him #6 but I thought it was more likely to impress Red John than embarrass him. Someone made a comment that Red John would not have allowed himself to be permanently marked. He probably didn't like it but there was no avoiding it. I bet Red John's retirement plan included getting a tattoo that hid the 3 dots. But he needed it to pose as a lower member of Blake Association. I favored him over Patridge because his position as a Sheriff allowed him to avoid "guilty knowledge". It was certain when he toyed with Jane in Red Wedding. Oh, and Red John did not have time to be deep with the PI's murder. He was severely pressed for time! As Patrick pointed out, Lizbon's plan to put traces on all the suspect's phones was bad. But not terrible. I would have done it to the 3 or 4 least likely suspects. By that point, some were eliminated already. But other unlikely suspects were not 100% in the clear. Eliminating them would have shortened the list without alerting Red John. And if it did alert Red John, it would still shorten the list. Ok, now I'll watch the video.
I watched most of it. But there were long pauses as I considered it. I want to avoid target fixation! I think the first premise is wrong; Red John had no desire to work with Patrick. I listed my biggest reason for marking Ray as unlikely but not the only reason. I also think there are problems with Ray's position. First, he's too low level. He has a boss! He must account for his time; a sheriff doesn't have a boss and doesn't have to account for his time. [But he probably has set up reasonable explanations for his absences.] Also, there is the problem of "guilty knowledge". That is very hard to avoid. A sheriff has access to some information, meeting with other law enforcement (in and out of Blake Association) accounts for other information.
Frist, I would like to commend you for a well-thought out correct conclusion to "The Mentalist", which is far more than I can say for Bruno Heller. Second, episodes 6/6 - 6/8 were the poorest written, poorest thought-out endings to what started out as a brilliant long-running saga. If Heller's intent was to insult the intelligence and betray the trust of his long-time viewing audience, he suceeded very well in doing just that.
I agree with that. Nothing against the sheriff as Red John, but the way they wrapped the story up was thin and weak. And remember: always bring a pigeon when going after a serial killer.
***** Bruno Heller has stated he feared he would never live up to the acclaimed dramatic reputation of his father, and he proved didn't not once but twice. I have no intention of watching any further Bruno Heller presents new episodes or new programming. Bruno Heller locked himself into a theme he couldn't logically complete. It did not start out as Red John vs. Jane. It started out as sociopathic Red John vs. society five years prior, and 10 if dating it back to the first killings at the Elliston Farm owned by Visualize. He tied nothing between Stiles, a primary character in his primary theme, and simply ended it with what his own created saga never started out to be. The pace for ludicrous ending was set when Simon Baker was interviewed. The question asked was if "The Mentalist" was all about Jane or Red John. The correct answer should have been both, but that isn't what happened. Brurno Heller's father Lukas, among others of his work, wrote two of the highest acclaimed thriller classics in movie history - "Whatever happened to Baby Jane" and "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte." Though Bruno blamed his father for his inability to write, and, yet, Bruno blew his own reputation, and didn't have to do that. He can't legitimately blame his father for HBO very prematurely ending "Rome". He can't legitimately blame his father, because he blew the ending of "The Mentalist" starting with 6/6. Ludicrous bombings tearing out not one window or wall, and having three people unscathed by one bomb, and three others "burned beyond recognition". All gathered together in the same room, or the same house, when last seen. They were all gathered in the same room. Bombs don't merely render unconscious, and leave anyone unscathed. They do serious damage to anyone within close range. Knock out the center supports of a wood frame building, and that building is going to collapse the upper level into the lower level without fail. The dialogue admitted there were two bombs not just one. The scene showed two massive explosions - one in the room they were last seen gathered, and the other mid-point at the house's center support to hold the house up to prevent collapsing, not far from where they were all gathered. No one had time to do all that body switching and moving, between the time the gunshot went off vs. when the bombs went off. They were all in the same house experiencing the same two bombs. They would have all been knocked out, and shown signs of being burned, and at least one or more burned beyond recognition. The entire last 3 episodes became a massive convolution of comedy of errors so irrational, they became hysterically laughable at times and a splitting headache at other times. They looked like a Jane hallucination relapse from season five when drinking diluted belladonna. If Victorial Principal could dream an entire season of "Dallas", just so Patrick Duffy could try out a starring role in another TV series cancelled shortly after it was started, Heller could definitely have had Jane hallucinate at least two episodes, so Heller could get his act together, in order to end "The Mentalist" Red John saga quite logically as clearly depicted in the fine video introducing this web page. DNA ID proof in twelve hours or less on bodies burned beyond recognition?!? The feds blatantantly violating states rights shutting down a state taxpayer paid criminal bureau of investigation on a federal judge's order?!? I am shocked the National Guard wasn't used to shut it down under declaration of federal martial law to make it even more ludicrous. Sociopathic serial killers begging for their lives or having any conscience to regret anything they do?!? Faking a phobia so ludicrously, that throwing a pigeon at someone being startled by a bird flying at him or her constitutes a "phobia"?!? The same woman trying kill Jane just minutes earlier, and he didn't recognize her when he stopped to ask her which way McAllister had run?!? Breaking a sliding glass door, while seriously wounded, and still able to out run Jane who wasn't?!? Two massive bombs set off in a wood framed house, and neither knocking out windows, walls, collapsing the building or continuing to burn uncontrollably until the fire department could put it out?!? If all people expect is mediocrity or less, that is all they will ever get. There is far better programming on other channnels, and one of them resumes a new season tonight on TNT.
14:57 - I'd like to note that the name is not just Sebastian Bach. JOHANN Sebastian Bach, who wrote the song RJ liked to hear Rosalind Harker (RJ's girlfriend) play. And Johann is a form of... JOHN.
Grate. Thanks for your time spend on this.
Brilliant theory about the tattoo. Red John had inside knowledge of the Blake Assoc. by previously using them to do his bidding but Red John is smart enough to not "mark" himself permanently. Whether it was Red John or not who killed the P.I. they were to make sure she saw the tattoo and live long enough to tell someone to throw Jane off. Red John did reveal himself in the house before the bomb went off but Jane doesn't want to say who it is so he can have him all to himself (not Bertram).
Wrong...
Another point you missed: HEISMAN. Remember, painted on the wall? take a look at 00:52 , that trophy at the right it's a Heisman.
Bruno Heller is crazy for that horrible final
I knew it couldn't be Haffner because red John wanted Jane to kill Lisbon but Haffner had feelings for her, I don't think he would choose her for Jane to kill. He was really interested in her
Haffner could have considered his feelings for Lisbon (if he really had them, which I doubt) as a weakness. He didn't kill her when he had the chance before (when he drew the face on her face), and might have regretted letting her live. When he saw a chance of Jane joining him, having Lisbon killed would serve more than one purpose: he knew Jane liked Lisbon, so it would be a real test of Jane's loyalty to him, and also he would get rid of Lisbon who could possibly sway either of them off their path and thus being a serious distraction. He might also have felt slighted by Lisbon and might have wanted her to be killed for that - he has killed for less.
@@miralyse.3846 Thats a cool theory!
Why did Cho ask the investigator whether her client was Visualize! OK course she was going to say YES!
How did she the tattoo?
Unlucky, maybe next time
I haven't watched the video yet. But there was NO WAY Haffner was Red John. Jane tricked and humiliated Haffner. I can see Red John doing something to throw Jane off but not that. When Jane's list was revealed, there were people that were WAY too unlikely and Haffner was 3rd on my ranking.
#1 least likely was Kirkland. Jane did not meet him until after Lorelei was in custody. I doubt she found out Jane and Red John met after that.
#2 Bertram. Bertram's problem with losing at poker and Jane showing him how his fake tell was giving him away. I might buy the judge but not Bertram.
#3 Haffner. Jane tricked and humiliated Haffner.
#4 Stiles. I was convinced Red John was in law enforcement. Stiles had enough connection to law enforcement to maybe pull it off but that would have required too many people reporting events to him. Red John's success became because no one knew who he was. No one in the Blake Association knew who the leader was. A case could be made for Oscar but that had to be only toward the end. If Red John's plan had worked out, Oscar would have been dead. Probably suicide. I doubt Oscar did not know this.
#5 Reede Smith. It was my feeling that Red John was in law enforcement; moreover, he was in California law enforcement. Not FBI.
#6 Partridge. Sometimes I thought it could be him because he was on my unlikely list without good reason.
#7 McAllister. I have not seen the episode he first appeared in. I have seen the rock, paper, scissors. That might have been enough to make him #6 but I thought it was more likely to impress Red John than embarrass him. Someone made a comment that Red John would not have allowed himself to be permanently marked. He probably didn't like it but there was no avoiding it. I bet Red John's retirement plan included getting a tattoo that hid the 3 dots. But he needed it to pose as a lower member of Blake Association. I favored him over Patridge because his position as a Sheriff allowed him to avoid "guilty knowledge". It was certain when he toyed with Jane in Red Wedding. Oh, and Red John did not have time to be deep with the PI's murder. He was severely pressed for time!
As Patrick pointed out, Lizbon's plan to put traces on all the suspect's phones was bad. But not terrible. I would have done it to the 3 or 4 least likely suspects. By that point, some were eliminated already. But other unlikely suspects were not 100% in the clear. Eliminating them would have shortened the list without alerting Red John. And if it did alert Red John, it would still shorten the list.
Ok, now I'll watch the video.
I watched most of it. But there were long pauses as I considered it. I want to avoid target fixation! I think the first premise is wrong; Red John had no desire to work with Patrick. I listed my biggest reason for marking Ray as unlikely but not the only reason. I also think there are problems with Ray's position. First, he's too low level. He has a boss! He must account for his time; a sheriff doesn't have a boss and doesn't have to account for his time. [But he probably has set up reasonable explanations for his absences.] Also, there is the problem of "guilty knowledge". That is very hard to avoid. A sheriff has access to some information, meeting with other law enforcement (in and out of Blake Association) accounts for other information.
Everything u said makes sense to me
Man I was convinced it was Bertram since season 2
He appeared for the first time in season 3
@@ElKamaleon777yes but that guy is ahead of his time.
I don't understand the written comments at the end of the video! Haffner died in the explosion!
It turns out you were 100% correct.
i thought it was that county sheriff
Yes you're right,the napa valley sherriff was the final red john
Para mim, teria sido a melhor opção para ser o Red John
Red John MC.
Frist, I would like to commend you for a well-thought out correct conclusion to "The Mentalist", which is far more than I can say for Bruno Heller. Second, episodes 6/6 - 6/8 were the poorest written, poorest thought-out endings to what started out as a brilliant long-running saga. If Heller's intent was to insult the intelligence and betray the trust of his long-time viewing audience, he suceeded very well in doing just that.
I agree with that. Nothing against the sheriff as Red John, but the way they wrapped the story up was thin and weak. And remember: always bring a pigeon when going after a serial killer.
*****
***** Bruno Heller has stated he feared he would never live up to the acclaimed dramatic reputation of his father, and he proved didn't not once but twice. I have no intention of watching any further Bruno Heller presents new episodes or new programming.
Bruno Heller locked himself into a theme he couldn't logically complete. It did not start out as Red John vs. Jane. It started out as sociopathic Red John vs. society five years prior, and 10 if dating it back to the first killings at the Elliston Farm owned by Visualize. He tied nothing between Stiles, a primary character in his primary theme, and simply ended it with what his own created saga never started out to be. The pace for ludicrous ending was set when Simon Baker was interviewed. The question asked was if "The Mentalist" was all about Jane or Red John. The correct answer should have been both, but that isn't what happened.
Brurno Heller's father Lukas, among others of his work, wrote two of the highest acclaimed thriller classics in movie history - "Whatever happened to Baby Jane" and "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte." Though Bruno blamed his father for his inability to write, and, yet, Bruno blew his own reputation, and didn't have to do that. He can't legitimately blame his father for HBO very prematurely ending "Rome". He can't legitimately blame his father, because he blew the ending of "The Mentalist" starting with 6/6. Ludicrous bombings tearing out not one window or wall, and having three people unscathed by one bomb, and three others "burned beyond recognition". All gathered together in the same room, or the same house, when last seen.
They were all gathered in the same room. Bombs don't merely render unconscious, and leave anyone unscathed. They do serious damage to anyone within close range. Knock out the center supports of a wood frame building, and that building is going to collapse the upper level into the lower level without fail. The dialogue admitted there were two bombs not just one. The scene showed two massive explosions - one in the room they were last seen gathered, and the other mid-point at the house's center support to hold the house up to prevent collapsing, not far from where they were all gathered. No one had time to do all that body switching and moving, between the time the gunshot went off vs. when the bombs went off. They were all in the same house experiencing the same two bombs. They would have all been knocked out, and shown signs of being burned, and at least one or more burned beyond recognition.
The entire last 3 episodes became a massive convolution of comedy of errors so irrational, they became hysterically laughable at times and a splitting headache at other times. They looked like a Jane hallucination relapse from season five when drinking diluted belladonna. If Victorial Principal could dream an entire season of "Dallas", just so Patrick Duffy could try out a starring role in another TV series cancelled shortly after it was started, Heller could definitely have had Jane hallucinate at least two episodes, so Heller could get his act together, in order to end "The Mentalist" Red John saga quite logically as clearly depicted in the fine video introducing this web page.
DNA ID proof in twelve hours or less on bodies burned beyond recognition?!? The feds blatantantly violating states rights shutting down a state taxpayer paid criminal bureau of investigation on a federal judge's order?!? I am shocked the National Guard wasn't used to shut it down under declaration of federal martial law to make it even more ludicrous. Sociopathic serial killers begging for their lives or having any conscience to regret anything they do?!? Faking a phobia so ludicrously, that throwing a pigeon at someone being startled by a bird flying at him or her constitutes a "phobia"?!? The same woman trying kill Jane just minutes earlier, and he didn't recognize her when he stopped to ask her which way McAllister had run?!? Breaking a sliding glass door, while seriously wounded, and still able to out run Jane who wasn't?!? Two massive bombs set off in a wood framed house, and neither knocking out windows, walls, collapsing the building or continuing to burn uncontrollably until the fire department could put it out?!?
If all people expect is mediocrity or less, that is all they will ever get. There is far better programming on other channnels, and one of them resumes a new season tonight on TNT.
how can Cho ask the girl whether Visualize bugged the CBI?
back ground music too fucking load especially at ~14:00 and your theories were later proven to be way off.
Wrong lmfao
Good try , just enjoy the show
Soooooo... no.
Ieekllek
Nope.
Explain the Red John face and that actually look like Patrick face and you have no clue to find out the truth and lier...