Jamie T. That's kinda a myth. Many of them were farmers, but the warrior raiders became more and more specialized as warriors over time, but even early on, as in beowulf, the chief had his band of warriors. So everyone was farmers, but some actually farmed, and some were more like landed knights, minus armor. 😏
I am going to have to point out a small flaw in this incredible man's assertion Women do not appear very selective any longer Which is a very madculine trait in my opinion Clearly his wife was very selective, naturally feminine trait
Na Na There is a divine masculine and divine feminine aspect of God. You can embrace this deeper polarity and work with attraction / sexuality with Tantra. David Deida speaks a lot of wisdom about this, I recommend.
NA NA, I would imagine both achievements or rather improvements and knowledge results in confidence. Self-reflection of knowledge is improvement. But achievements also comes with knowledge, it's not about the achievement itself tho.
NA NA that's what annoys me about these talks. It's about success without depth. It's the way people operate, but it doesn't really speak to the depth of humanity, just the animal nature part. It's kind of sad and it also explains why those who attain "success" in the world end up being superficial, self focused and shallow. There's no real meaning to all their effort and they keep running after success to avoid this destruction of their illusionary idol. People choose to operate at this level, but people are a whole lot deeper if they choose to be.
My ex gave me the impression that he was a dominant Male, it turns out he just had narcissistic personality, and was really weak in every sense of the word, all exaggerated achievements, emotional, financial, he was a complete farce.
@@archivez101 my soon to be ex husband is too. He retired from military and I POSSESS MORE DISCIPLINE than he does. EVERYONE asks if I SERVED too due to the fact that I carry myself, speak ,obviously are more DISCIPLINED AND CONSISTENT.
@@kristiejones2054 Okay, so why are you braging about it ? We don't care. I actually feel sry for you and your husband. You were apperently to fast in your relationship. Why don't you try to figure it out ? If you are so great help your husband. If you cant... Well you are prbly not as shiny as you think you are. On the other hand. I don't know you. But pls be carefull what you do with your life.
hyenas are pack animals so i'm pretty sure they also have moral compass. after all, moral compass stems from the need for cooperation with one another. in lion pack, male lion eats first then females eat after although female lions are the one who usually hunt. in hyena pack, everyone hunts and everyone shares.
@@TheGhostOperative I believe hyenas have matriarchal pack. Females are dominant ones, they are bigger, stronger, faster, have more testosterone and more aggressive. They are the one who eats first (actually alpha female eats first), they are the one to choose a male to mate with.
When I was a kid I started working out as a result of being bullied at school. It worked. I didn't get bullied as much. Later when I had male children I encouraged them to workout and told them that I would back them as long as they didn't start the fight. I also told them to strike back immediately when struck so as to teach the other guy that there were consequences for their actions. Being dangerous and controlled is a good thing. Thanks Jordan.
Much respect to you..Glad you did the masculine thing and not let the bullies defeat you. You turned the whole thing around. We need more men like this.
A bully mentality has been doing it for a long time. So they don't get stopped very much. But if you shut down a bully with aggression, he will want to be your friend.
You can just avoid dangerous places. Don’t waste your time dealing with thugs and nasty people. It’s a symptom of being wealthy that you don’t have to be around difficult people and can choose who gets to be around you. You can live in Compton and learn how to fight, or make more money and move to Beverly Hills and work from your house. Who do you think gets treated better? The fighter living in Compton or the wealthy entrepreneur from Beverly Hills?
@Chi Chi - This is a one dimensional reply. You assume that you’ll be in that safe zone permanently, and that you’ll never encounter resistance or conflict outside of the home - during public events, on public transportation, etc etc. Are you looking for a weak beta male provider to mate with? And do you think weak beta males would make it to a place like Beverly Hills with their low competitive natures - in any other means of by inheritance or theft? (or both - in the case of Hunter Biden)
@@christopherarmstrong2710While I agree with you that man should be strong, competitive why not expect the same from woman? After all, weak men look for weak women, because they can dominate them more easily, strong men want an equally strong and competitive woman. The idea that a woman should be an inferior being compared to a man is completely wrong. And it is cultural, in the animal kingdom females are not at all inferior to males in that sense, they fight equally for themselves and in some species the females are even dominant. The only period when the female needs special protection from a male is during pregnancy due to additional vulnerability. Women are on average physically weaker, but that's an average, there are women who are stronger than some men. Does this mean that short, physically weak men can never be as good men as stronger men? Furthermore, there is something called a weaponry, so physical strength is completely irrelevant. If you live in some slum, you better get a gun, and when armed women have no shortage compared to men. Furthermore, physical strength has nothing to do with success in life and position in the hierarchy, if it were, than a grizzly bear would be at the top of the food chain and not human, and the physically strongest people would be at the top of the hierarchy, and as we know that is not the case. Often the strongest are at the bottom of the hierarchy, while at the top are often old, short, skinny and physically weak people. Therefore, women have no justification for being physically less strong. If they are less powerful than men, it is because of their mental and not physical characteristics. A woman who is looking for a "provider" be it beta, alpha or sigma, is a weak woman. As Peterson says, on average, if a trait is more prevalent in one gender, it is only 60%, so the differences are small, and both men and women have so-called "feminine" and "masculine" traits. Just like it's ok for a man to show his feelings, a woman must also be strong like a man. I have respect for alpha and sigma women, and the one looking for a provider is a beta woman, and i respect her as much as i respect a beta male. She is weak and will attract weak men.
Can't imagine having to write down notes for his classes lol. "Warrior" "Female Hierachy" "frustration, pain and anxiety" "Muscle twitch" "Destilled exeperiences" "Psychopathic thugs" "Dragons and Knights" When I had to read my notes back I would be like "Yeah... I didn't understand shit"
I have always strived to stay on the outside of social hierarchies and power structures as much as possible, as I have no desire to dominate others, nor to be dominated. I just want to go my own way.
Peterson would argue that unless take up arms, you'll be dominated. He would consider your aim as highly Alpha, because you basically say you do not want to be dominated, whereas the only one in society that is not dominated is the one on top. I actually believe the desire to dominate is very rare, especially compared to the desire of self-determination.
Mark van Kempen - he doesn’t speak about taking up arms. He speaks of recognition of your personal ability to bring chaos and then the integration of that into your personality. Far more sophisticated than taking up arms.
@@donnathedead7554 Substitute "young" with earlier in development. It's the age since conception he's referring to, i.e we are born at 9 months which is young for humans
Donna Thedead compared to other mammals, humans are born earlier (younger) and do more developing outside the womb. Sapiens is a great book on this if you’re curious
Confidence is dominance. My boss is the type of man to constantly assert and re-assert his dominance, and I've found that by simply talking to him like I would any other man, making no efforts to please him or stroke his ego, he has already shown mutual respect to me, which is far less than he's shown anyone else in our company.
You will also find that women who wish to be treated as a "queen" or "princess" will never refer to their man as a "king" or "prince". They will also say things like "a real man does (insert whatever benefits them)" but if they even suspect that a gender role is being applied to women you will get gasps of outrage because of your sexism, misogyny etc.
Calling themselves alpha in the same breath is what you assumed dear! Now, if men can be emotional which is a feminine trait and I respect that in my partner. Same goes for women, they have an ego too which is a masculine trait and it ought to be respected i think
How about a self described betta male coming in to tell you that you’re basically intellectually crippled. I can guarantee you that I will achieve many more “feats of masculinity” than you will and I already have. Anyone who is able to derive logic from Jordan Peterson’s lectures. It’s basically one of joe Biden or Donald trumps speeches with fancy words, he’s a bumbling idiot and anyone who listens to him is just the same.
When I was a pup (1980's) I was welcome into two groups, the cool kids and the fairy squad (you call them nerds). I hung with the fairy squad because my dominance was at the top. If I hung with the larger group I would have just been a foot soldier. Never really thought about it until now.
Craig Sips now that i think about it, i ran with the nerds for the same reason in the 90's. i liked sports, but was mediocre at them. I was above average IQ, 130ish, i wasn't the smartest nerd, but my mind combined with my average athleticism, i was at or near the top of the dominance hierarchy of nerds.
I am a very “dominant” female. I don’t have many girlfriends, but the ones that I have are independent enough to think differently from me so we often talk deeply about our opposing opinions. Every group I was in, I ended up in a sort of leading role, though I never quite set out to do so. When I dated guys I always looked for a guy who was “dominant” over me without trying to smother my own dominance. I wanted someone to earn their place beside me. When I found my now husband I knew he was the one on our first date. I said if he wants me he’ll come to church with me, and he not only came to church, he enjoyed it and then surprised me with a kiss before we parted ways. Two and a half years later we married and now we are expecting our first child.
Heinz Arsch >random "safe space" joke in 2018 >fedora-tier woman patronizer >"women are yummy beings" Holy shit are you fucking real? Save some cringe for the rest of us.
these students probably just think they're in another class, and here we all are going out of our way to watch arguably the wisest man we know. A hero Dr. Peterson is
There certainly are alpha females. My cousin is one. She's extremely attractive so that instantly gets her a lot of the way to what she wants, but on top of that she is very opinionated, dominant in social settings, aggressive in conflict situations, a shrinking violet she ain't. Despite the fact she isn't the nicest or friendliest person, people are drawn to her. She recently kicked her long term bf to the curb simply because he wasn't trying hard enough in life. 3 months later she bagged herself a white collar professional guy with a big salary. She's working class and all her friends and family are the same but she just upgraded her life partner because she could. If that's not alpha female what is.
Sounds like an opportunist. Alpha women don't need to upgrade as they r usually not dependant on a male's financial position in society. I know I don't know the whole story but beta chicks usually need a 'successful' man around. A yr later now I should add an addendum to this, didn’t realize it was going to spinoff a series of conflicting opinions. I was only responding to the person mentioned in the story, this man’s cousin where I disagreed with her being an alpha. She could be a pseudo-alpha? Just because a female is opinionated, aggressive and a white collar status climber does not automatically grant her alpha status imho. Generally speaking, alphas tend to be quiet or reflective, loners and always independent. The way you can spot one is how she treats her family or how she feels about her pack. It seems obvious to me that an alpha needs to lead a pack so that answers the question of them having to choose between family life and work. And if some ladies have no maternal instinct and hate housework? That’s OK too just leave them alone. I only know one alpha who chose career over kids and she does regret it now but that’s not my point. The ones I do know (and myself) r fiercely loyal to their cubs and will often leave a job to stay at home full-time. I see some new wave fems feel it is repressive to stay at home and take care of their family but then again they go to work and bend a knee to their male boss or ‘patriarchal created jobs’ no problem?? No thank you! (I fight to stay home with my kids and I’m a homeschooler too) Another way to tell is how they take care of another person‘s child, she will treat it like her own and not see it as competition like most beta’s will! That’s a sign to run. I don’t mean to use the word beta as a negative thing either, I’ve known quite a few beta females that were comfortable with it and made it work for them. There’s also Omega’s but that’s a different topic
Exactly Willam Palmer..We don't ..Alpha Female also do not take advantage of elegant men. . So all the MGTOW beta males have been burned by second rate females.. and they are too pathetic to know it.
Yes they do! Women will gang up on another female if they do not like her. I have had this happen to me. A woman will not fight another woman alone; she always brings her cat pack with her.
I am a very nice sweet woman, but I tell all my family and friends, "don't make the mistake of thinking you can manipulate me in anyway. I am capable of destroying anyone I deem an enemy to my well-being". Some people don't believe it, until they see, and once they do, I'm already done with them. Some say I'm cruel and heartless, I say I have boundaries for my own self-preservation. An alpha female doesn't have drama in her life because she doesn't tolerate it.
This right here. They usually don’t believe it until it’s too late. I love living from a space of deep connectedness and feminine energy but I got another Me available for anybody who thinks that makes me Prey or fodder for their bullshit and ego. She’ll drop your ass like and anvil and keep it pushing. Kindness and preference for peace does not = weak.
Hypergamy. It's very well established this is accurate. Every woman wants to date up. That causes problems on the male side. It means only the top n'th percentile reproduce. And to compensate for the participation disparity, the top n'th percentile of men get to mate with the rest of the female population.
Nah it ain’t natural. As a man that has walked down both roads of “being a winner” and “being a loser” because I do whatever I want. Itis painful to watch as a man. It is totally bi polar and the men feel all the pain of it with women being oblivious not knowing what the fuck is going on .Just one of many reasons why we voluntarIly go blind and numb so we can get through life. Only the dead are laughing right now.
I enjoy my own company and don’t run in packs. I enjoy reading and writing and I hate being involved in gossip and female nastiness. That has made it hard for me to get along with women and I have been under the wrath of this but I choose to focus on my goals. I enjoy having interesting and meaningful conversations and I am career oriented. My heroes are people like Steve Jobs and Anna Wintour and Elon Musk. I quit my job last year without securing another job because my boss didn’t give me the promotion I wanted I stormed to his office and told him “would you be willing to compromise on your goals, then why should I ?” He changed his mind the next day and was willing to assist me but I still ended up quitting because I felt like my integrity had been compromised. I ended up securing a job shortly thereafter at a top corporate company 20x better than my old company and establishing a side hustle. Yes to Alpha females!!
@Zack.... rambling? If that is your perception, you're not a skilled listener. He's on point, aiming his lecture to a laser-sharp idea, focusing it's many factors into salient thought. One must only pay attention, and be able to digest a lot of profound information almost instantly.
So privileged to attend Dr. Peterson's class on UA-cam while soaking in my tub. He's good company! This man is an incredible motivational speaker while also painting the picture of the opposite side of it. (It's hard work and it takes work to be engaged in life!). Lesson for the day. Being cruel and not exercising being cruel is better than not having any teeth and not being able to be cruel at all. Love this man and his brilliant mind.
Wrong lesson learnt. Cruelty requires Strength, Strength doesn't require Cruelty. Kindness doesn't require Weakness, Kindness requires Strength. Be Strong so you can be Kind.
I disagree with you. Have you ever come across the lecture where he mentions that either the bible or Jesus cited that, the sheeth will inherit the earth? Sheeth meaning those who have the power and or weapons yet decide not to use them.
Physical Independence. That's it. Can you protect yourself and those near you. You dont need to discard compassion, in fact it makes you a stronger Alpha to have it. Alphas are worthless without a cohort.
The guy coming in late, and the girl walking through the shot with a cup of something in her hand.....just to prove that this is in fact a legitimate, for credit, important university lecture.
5:11 You can't scare me to respect you. If I'm week, you can scare me to obey you, which would be an error from MY part, and has roots in fear, selfishness and survival. In order for me to respect you, you have to present some qualities in you, that allow me to respect, by recognizing them. Excuse my english.
Women say they want the chance to participate in predominantly male hierarchies like, say, finance, because they believe they have a right to strive for the riches, status, and ultimately political status rising to the top brings. But then they turn around and say they don't like the hierarchy's rules (100 work weeks, uber-aggressive competition, high-pressure sales, etc). It seems to me you can't have it both ways--if you want to play the game, then play the game. If not, start your own game with your own rules. But to want to benefit from winning the game by destroying the game is completely illogical.
I would say i can find something attractive in about 85 to 90% of women i see. The other 10 to 15% are just fat. From 18 year olds to women in their forties, they all will usually have something physically attractive about them as long as they are not carrying the pudge. I believe women have a harder time finding a man they are attracted to than a man does finding a women. I think women should be the ones asking if they can buy you a drink. Men are simple. Women are complicated.
I'd argue that men aren't simple. Women's tastes are many and varied. We're bound to the complex hierarchy they carve out for us, and are consequently a product of it.
I was blessed with two great parents and four loving siblings. My brother two years my senior we fought like boys will do and my father boxed n the army. So I was skilled in fighting at a young age. Plus I was always the tallest person in my grade. I never once bullied anyone and protected smaller kids from older ones who did. Once that was known I was only challenged by older kids a couple of times to their demise. I was 6’ at 12 yo and 6’6” 290lbs farm raised now. I wish everyone could know how it feels to the confidence I have had my entire life.
He really gives a harsh truth. And it hurts in a way. Everybody tells just be you and the love will find you. But for men it's mostly not finding rather achieving. And if failed to do so, there is only the worst left.
He says that because in the animal kingdom most babies by comparison are stronger or better adapt from birth than human babies. Look it up, nature is no joke. Check your species privilege. Would you kill one of your own babies to assure your pack’s survival? Animals would and some indigenous tribes have as well!
Babies have large eyes, and we humans are genetically wired to want to protect babies. This concept is a well known fact in Darwinian teachings, and shite, babies are pretty damn cute!
Don't allow yourself to be pushed around unless the trade off is a back handed advantage for yourself. And don't push others around, especially daily social micro dominance, unless you absolutely have too. Simple.
When I was young, I had a lot friends- but I had no clique of friends and was never anyone’s proclaimed “favorite” or best friend. I really wanted close, best friends but I always seemed to chosen against & I didn’t understand why. It wasn’t until I was in my late 30’s that I realized I: I wasn’t really being chosen against... Actually, it was I that had been making the choice my whole life. That is what an alpha female is.
Bravo- Emotional autonomy and integrity makes you un-inclined to manipulators and groupthink. It allows you to be authentic. I am an intellectual and an introvert. I have people who are close to me but I have discovered that you cannot have people and freedom. I don't need a group or a best friend- I need space.
@@angeldela7633 - That is sort of a mean spirited thing to say without knowing the woman. How do you be a "best" friend? ---That is a grade school concept. According to ancient Greek wisdom: " The best friendships exist for their own sake." Like the good, the true and the beautiful, I don't think being "besties" is an actual thing- certainly not an intellectual thing.
Susan Thompson no, not an excuse at all. Life is good... I’m just pondering the process. That said: I don’t mind you calling me out for clarity, so I thank you.
One comment on what's been said on hierarchies, fulfilment and success: there seem to be plenty of people out there who tick the generally accepted markers of success and still feel miserable.
@@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 I think it is a mistake to aspire to the generally accepted markers of success, even if it means lower probability of successful reproduction ;-) The reason I say that is because I see too many 'successful' yet depressed people around. You are probably right about the 'meaningful purpose' (if one is lucky enough to find it).
In elementary school we used to fight. A lot. There were many unwritten rules like no scratching or biting, no hitting someone on the ground, don't inflict lasting damage. And Noone held grudges after fights. Eventually you would test your strength on another day. Every guy knew the hierarchy, you only fought with the ones around your position in the hierarchy, those just above you and those below you trying to challenge you. You wouldn't fight anyone who didn't want to or didn't fight back, that was frowned upon. And I never understood why you would pick on someone below you on the hierarchy, you and them both know who's stronger so what's the point? Noone ever got seriously hurt. In hindsight I learnt a lot about honor, sizing up enemies, picking fights and social hierarchies during that time. My parents had me do judo when I was little and I continued to do so well into adulthood. I never got into physical fights after that phase of testing my strength as a kid/young teen. But I am certain I could hold my own if I ever got into one. Nowadays kids fights are broken up immediately and I think that takes away from their ability to resolve conflicts, maneuver hierarchies and assert situations.
Well part of the reason is because we're humans. We have speech for a reason. You should absolutely fight back if someone is attacking you, but testing your mettle and social standing against someone else through physical combat is barbaric. Chimpanzees do that. That's subhuman behavior though. Conflicts are only resolved with physical violence in movies; in real life, they're resolved with words and understanding.
I'm gonna be honest. I think I like jordan peterson but hard to follow his thought process. But he seems to want do good work and I can appreciate his efforts.
"It just lays there and utters plaintive noises..." So brilliant of him to tie it all together, how men are as babies and how we are after being sexually rejected.
Regarding Dr. Peterson's point on the virtue of having the capacity to be a monster and choosing not to: 仁 (In) in ancient Chinese means, "to be human" and is synonymous with, "to be merciful." I hope that he has a speedy recovery.
@Kadee Mallory They're 16, and everyone has insecurity. Alpha or not. It's a commentary on hierarchy, which is better defined than the idea of 'Alpha', which is not an objective concept.
@Kadee Mallory Girls. Not women/ladies. Girls are emotionally/psychologically/intellectually immature/insecure/unevolved. It's when girls grow a clue and fix those problems they become women/ladies.
I just realized that whenever one wants to mess with me I just stare them dead in the eyes with an unconditionally calm experience... I didn't allways do that... And I wasn't allways respected
4:39 I'd like to give a different perspective: Finding what your self is incapable of is just you learning your self. I'd implore to treat your self well, and understand that "general intelligence" (self) is what will lead you to what you truely are. Maybe what would help people learn full of what your self is could lie within comprehending what "time" and "moral" truely are. Here's the more elaberate quote: Ask thy self what it is, and you shall learn.
i used to think i was weird because i find most men unattractive but looks like according to peterson it's normal amongst women. that study he mentioned that women ranked 85% of the men as below average rings true to me
I wasn’t an alpha female 3 years ago, until I went through my hero’s journey and came out as an Alpha female, after going through shitty relationships and complete breakdown and rebuilding of my self worth/personality.
By the end of this, i get the feeling life itself is made up of impossible situations; constrained from every angle yet in perfect balance. Life is suffering, but it's the best it could be. It's a lot easier to fall than to rise
Anos Anosn I was looking for this comment. Why is the term used so much in people sharing J Peterson videos? I can see why it may be used when describing the peak of a hierarchy, but it seem quite limiting and really doesn’t capture the intricacies/dynamic. “Ah I’m an alpha” relative to what?
@@bellebenson205 Human dominance hierachies are multi-dimensional and plastic. While neuroticism and agreeableness can affect it, the most dominant person in a given situation is context dependent on who is around (IE: Who likes who) and what problem you're trying to solve. When trying to fix a leak on a boat, you listen to the carpenter if you want to survive, so to speak. Also, my memory is a bit loose, but I recall reading that not even animals have alphas, and that the original studies on alpha wolves were faulty for some reason that I can't recall at present.
They don't exist at all actually. The guy who invented the concept was watching how wolves behave and he concluded that there must be a hierarchy (alpha, beta, etc). He did the same study again (a couple years later) and found that he was wrong. But it was too late. The book was already published and now tons of guys go around thinking they need to be the "alpha" of every group they're in. Kinda sad tbh
@@yuirick If you don't believe animals have hierarchies, you've never been a chicken farmer. If you don't believe humans have hierarchies, you've never been in a high school.
Ok... Jordan is talking from a place of theory when he claims that being a competent fighter “having teeth” reduces the likelihood of needing to fight. I was a kickboxer for 8 years and was well known in my local community for my skill set as I fought several times at the local club. I had plenty of young guys pick fights with me when I was out at a club. They knew who I was, they knew I could fight, they saw the challenge as a opportunity to prove themselves in front of their friends. He rightly suggests that I didn’t have minor vocal squabbles with workmates and such, but he misses the opportunity I presented other guys to prove themselves against. My younger brother is a engineer and was never athletic in any sense. He suffered far more bullying in school that I did but was never in a actual fight in his life (so far and hopefully forever). I can’t count how many street fights I’ve had. Most of them I was punched first. It’s simply untrue what jordan is claiming here.
Your younger brother was in fewer fights, not because he needed to fight fewer times than yourself but because he was unable to fight. In other words, your younger brother (if what you say is accurate) was presented with far more opportunities to fight than you were. However, your younger brother lacking the skill to fight didn't even consider opposing his bullies and therefore was in fewer fights than yourself. It doesn't mean he wasn't brutalized or bullied. You are in fact proving Peterson's fundamental point, which is that competence at fighting gives one the confidence that is necessary to warn antagonists of the potential consequences of breaching your boundaries. Thus, resulting in the avoidance of potential fights. The keyword here is potential, because you don't really know how many fights you have avoided and you only know how many fights you got into. There will also always be variables unique to individual circumstances, but generally Peterson is correct. Bullies tend to avoid the potential for adverse consequences.
@@makehumanitygreatagain8128 exactly! Not to brag, but that is precisely how to face down a bully; possibly the only effective way. Bullies are driven by their inherent insecurity; they're cowards at heart.
There's a lot of things you're not accounting for here. How often did your brother go out? Did he go clubbing often? Seems like you found yourself in situations where conflict could arise more often than your brother (though I could be wrong).
"In order to catch an animal or avoid it, you must first think like it, or lie at the particular wavelength at which it operates w/out necessarily being it."
Intelligent, confident women can be very attractive. It does take a certain man to yoke up with one. Ideally, he is OK with her greatness and is encourages her while not allowing himself to be dominated by her.
He encourages students not to take notes during his lectures. He posts all of his notes and lectures online, but he’s stated before that he prefers for his students to listen intently in his lectures, remember as much as they can when they get home (to encourage their brain to practice memorization), and compare your thoughts from the lecture to the notes.
That's why I like sith phiosophy. Peace is a lie.There is only passion. Through passion I get strength.Through strength I get power(competence). Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken.The force shall free me.
It was difficult to listen to that. I can appreciate the content but the delivery was that of one continuous run on sentence. I can parse out the wheat from the chaff but it was not easy.
Yeah they’re backhanded and conniving. They’ll take you down with them, even if this means taking a hit themselves, just because they can’t stand to see you win. This is coming from a woman btw.
doubleS07 You definitely do not understand female competition. Imagine, that you have the same sex drive you have now. But that 12% of the time you had sex, it killed you and all of your children. Now replay that over 200,000 years, say 50,000 generations. And see what kind of behaviors and traits you develop.
doubleS07 And there are plenty of women who do not understand female competition, either. Many don’t understand the rules. Are losers to the rules. Reject the rules. How could a species survive if 30% the female dies during childbirth? That is extinction level decimation.
Be a lion when needed, so you can be a lamb you are ❤️ ... through experience you learn who you can trust, where and with whom you need to put boundaries and leave when someone doesn’t respects your boundaries ...
it’s ok to acknowledge that men and women are changing rapidly in the ever changing society. it’s not that big a deal. you’ll struggle with it more, if you exist with attachment paradigms and misuse of the self
In my mid to late 20s, I became an "Alpha" without realizing it. Most of my young life I was bullied, due to having been promoted several times ahead of everyone else. So, I was smaller, and much smarter, then everyone else around me. You can imagine what happened to me. Fast forward to years later, after a stint in the military and years of Martial Arts training, and I was a lithe, strapping young man, boiling off testosterone and confident of my abilities. However I was unaware of its effect on those around me. I viewed it as an internal thing. I dated many beautiful young women, and I thought the shortness of the relationships was due to my shortcomings (even though I was only ever dumped once.. usually it deteriorated and I ended it), so I improved. Which brought more attention, and even more beautiful women. It got to the point where I was dating 9's exclusively.. and again, I wasn't really aware of this being unusual. Finally I got with an intelligent and interesting 8 who was 10 years younger then me and decided to settle down with her. Took some time, but after over 10 years that ended as well. For similar reasons. She wouldn't hold to her commitments. That followed with me dating women much younger then myself for a few years. Then, finally, I realized.. all of this was pointless, risky, and I was destined for an early grave if I continued. So, I stopped dating. Even now, I am over 50..... I still have the occasional 22 year old make a play for me. I let my beard go white and it still happens. I reeled it all the way back to jeans, t shirts and cotton jackets.. it still happens. I can still stare down a young guy intent on making trouble... that's who I am. I imagine in another 10 years, that will go away.. but there it is. Being "Alpha" is not what you think it is. Not if you are a conscientious person. Not if you want something more than great and/or frequent sex. Yes, you can get tired of it. You can get tired of the parade, and the realization that comes along with it. And then when you are looking at what is actually happening... you realize (if you are lucky) all in one instant... you are the prize, and you are what they want to OWN. Not one of them doesn't think this way, or is not encouraged to think this way. And this goes for organizations, and for women equally. Not only that, but everyone wants to knock you off the hill. It's a constant fight. With a woman in your life ALSO doing this, it becomes almost too much stress to take on, and still have a hope at self actualizing. Don't do this to yourself. Find your purpose, move towards fulfilling it, and let NOTHING.. not women, not children, not society.. stand in your way. If someone wants to come along for the ride, thats fine. The moment they try to take the wheel, kick them out of the car. There is a big difference between agreeing on a destination, and handing over the wheel. Never do that. I was The Alpha, and I spent far too much time and energy on trying to get the right woman.. trying to "understand how" to deal with women. Giving of myself to women in order to maintain the thing I thought was a major part of my purpose. Thus, although I succeeded in my career.. I never went to the next step beyond. I am doing that now but at age 50, I can't take too risky of a chance, so my potential has been capped. Go your own way, gentlemen. If a woman wants to come along, make sure she understands the rules, and don't ever let her break them. If you are running something, make sure you are clear, polite and firm. Don't ever compromise your goals for someone else's. Always strive, strive strive for your success. Believe me. Everything else will materialize in your wake. You won't have to do anything to make it happen. It just will. Because everyone around you will notice, and will want a piece of you. Then, you will be in charge of who gets a slice.
Timothy.... I am an Alpha Female..... I stand Alone....in many things I do. I met my husband when I was 37. We are individuals in a relationship. We never loose sight of that. I like what you wrote here and I agree. It made me think about what Abraham Lincoln said, and it has inspired me in my 20's, 30's and 40's. I am 50 now.... Abraham Lincoln said..... "Always Bear in Mind that your own Resolution to Succeed is More Important Than Any Other One Thing"....... Thanks for Listening.....!!! ROCK On....!!
Boys and men of the interwebz, present and future, for as long as this comment/video stays up - Listen to this man. He gets it. I've experienced essentially the exact same things in life and was forced, due to the pressures of first hand experience, to come to the same conclusions several years ago in my early 30s. That being said, don't let "success" be defined by externals - such as wealth, money and status. Figure out what your purpose is, something that makes you feel ALIVE and gives meaning to your life. Chasing after money and women will only bring misery. Those "goals" are the ones implanted into the minds of the masses by people who wish to keep you enslaved; and you let them, which is why the lives of people are terrible, regardless of how much wealth and status they have. There's so, SO much more to life than these things. Treat money similar to women. If it comes over the course of your efforts, that's fine, but never make it the priority, otherwise you'll pull yourself back into the realm of the Living Dead. It may take decades or even lifetimes to really figure out what's important to you - but once you've figured it out, then let nothing stand in your way. At the same time, it's important to doubt your goals, especially the younger and inexperienced you are. Question yourself relentlessly. In the long run this will give increased satisfaction with the accomplishment of your goal, and you're much more likely to pursue it with enthusiasm and inspiration, which also facilitates creativity and discovery. You'll live much, much fuller lives. You may have to get severely burned a few times first to appreciate this though. Seek truth. Know thyself. Question everything.
"It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war". (Sun Tzu)
W'Gray *warrior
Unless you're talking ancient Scandinavia/vikings, those were farmers first and warrior/raiders second.
Spartan! What’s your profession?!
"No shit". - Ghandi
Jamie T. That's kinda a myth. Many of them were farmers, but the warrior raiders became more and more specialized as warriors over time, but even early on, as in beowulf, the chief had his band of warriors. So everyone was farmers, but some actually farmed, and some were more like landed knights, minus armor. 😏
Imagine walking into Jordan Peterson’s lecture late
norahdior maybe they had diarrhea
Ikr
oops sorry, i was cleaning my room 😁😆
@@yeshalloween Wear a diaper. Lol no excuses!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I am going to have to point out a small flaw in this incredible man's assertion
Women do not appear very selective any longer
Which is a very madculine trait in my opinion
Clearly his wife was very selective, naturally feminine trait
“What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?”
TheElementalalex lol skyrim quote :D
To be born good and get better
Good and evil are just perspectives, better to just embrace who you are and let the cards fall where they may.
I know but it's an interesting quote related to this video
Both.
Women are attracted to confidence. Men gain confidence through achievement.
Na Na There is a divine masculine and divine feminine aspect of God. You can embrace this deeper polarity and work with attraction / sexuality with Tantra. David Deida speaks a lot of wisdom about this, I recommend.
NA NA, I would imagine both achievements or rather improvements and knowledge results in confidence. Self-reflection of knowledge is improvement. But achievements also comes with knowledge, it's not about the achievement itself tho.
stella I and the only thing needed for modern girls.
NA NA that's what annoys me about these talks. It's about success without depth. It's the way people operate, but it doesn't really speak to the depth of humanity, just the animal nature part. It's kind of sad and it also explains why those who attain "success" in the world end up being superficial, self focused and shallow. There's no real meaning to all their effort and they keep running after success to avoid this destruction of their illusionary idol. People choose to operate at this level, but people are a whole lot deeper if they choose to be.
INTJ-Sigma-Male You sound like a bitter and pathetic rejected little boy. Strong women are extremely attractive.
My ex gave me the impression that he was a dominant Male, it turns out he just had narcissistic personality, and was really weak in every sense of the word, all exaggerated achievements, emotional, financial, he was a complete farce.
yeah, some only fake being alpha. what a waste of time.
My ex too, piece of shit
There are many narcissists in today's society
I've met a few myself...you're right they're deeply insecure
@@archivez101 my soon to be ex husband is too. He retired from military and I POSSESS MORE DISCIPLINE than he does. EVERYONE asks if I SERVED too due to the fact that I carry myself, speak ,obviously are more DISCIPLINED AND CONSISTENT.
@@kristiejones2054 Okay, so why are you braging about it ? We don't care. I actually feel sry for you and your husband. You were apperently to fast in your relationship. Why don't you try to figure it out ? If you are so great help your husband. If you cant... Well you are prbly not as shiny as you think you are. On the other hand. I don't know you. But pls be carefull what you do with your life.
Be a Lion with a Moral Compass.Hyenas are everywhere.
hyenas are pack animals so i'm pretty sure they also have moral compass. after all, moral compass stems from the need for cooperation with one another. in lion pack, male lion eats first then females eat after although female lions are the one who usually hunt. in hyena pack, everyone hunts and everyone shares.
@@TheGhostOperative I believe hyenas have matriarchal pack. Females are dominant ones, they are bigger, stronger, faster, have more testosterone and more aggressive. They are the one who eats first (actually alpha female eats first), they are the one to choose a male to mate with.
Well said.
Richard Lieberknecht love that... Aslan.
Just be a T-REX.
When I was a kid I started working out as a result of being bullied at school. It worked. I didn't get bullied as much. Later when I had male children I encouraged them to workout and told them that I would back them as long as they didn't start the fight. I also told them to strike back immediately when struck so as to teach the other guy that there were consequences for their actions. Being dangerous and controlled is a good thing. Thanks Jordan.
Respect dude.
Much respect to you..Glad you did the masculine thing and not let the bullies defeat you. You turned the whole thing around. We need more men like this.
amen! "the meek shall inherit the Earth"! "knowing how to weild the sword, but having control to keep it sheethed"
"violence is never the answer" Virgin.
"Don't start a fight, but defend yourself" Chad
A bully mentality has been doing it for a long time. So they don't get stopped very much. But if you shut down a bully with aggression, he will want to be your friend.
I think humility is the most beautiful thing in the world
Tried heroin yet?
Fcktherules Orsuckmyjewels have you read the Bible yet
Same...Simpleness,humbleness,gentleness...Very beautiful...😍
Meh... it's overrated
Sadly ppl don't see that
“If you’re competent at fighting, decreases the chance you’ll have to fight.” Physically and intellectually. 🙌🏼
You can just avoid dangerous places. Don’t waste your time dealing with thugs and nasty people. It’s a symptom of being wealthy that you don’t have to be around difficult people and can choose who gets to be around you. You can live in Compton and learn how to fight, or make more money and move to Beverly Hills and work from your house. Who do you think gets treated better? The fighter living in Compton or the wealthy entrepreneur from Beverly Hills?
A multicultural multiracial is by design made to not function
Yep
@Chi Chi - This is a one dimensional reply. You assume that you’ll be in that safe zone permanently, and that you’ll never encounter resistance or conflict outside of the home - during public events, on public transportation, etc etc. Are you looking for a weak beta male provider to mate with? And do you think weak beta males would make it to a place like Beverly Hills with their low competitive natures - in any other means of by inheritance or theft? (or both - in the case of Hunter Biden)
@@christopherarmstrong2710While I agree with you that man should be strong, competitive why not expect the same from woman? After all, weak men look for weak women, because they can dominate them more easily, strong men want an equally strong and competitive woman. The idea that a woman should be an inferior being compared to a man is completely wrong. And it is cultural, in the animal kingdom females are not at all inferior to males in that sense, they fight equally for themselves and in some species the females are even dominant. The only period when the female needs special protection from a male is during pregnancy due to additional vulnerability.
Women are on average physically weaker, but that's an average, there are women who are stronger than some men. Does this mean that short, physically weak men can never be as good men as stronger men? Furthermore, there is something called a weaponry, so physical strength is completely irrelevant. If you live in some slum, you better get a gun, and when armed women have no shortage compared to men. Furthermore, physical strength has nothing to do with success in life and position in the hierarchy, if it were, than a grizzly bear would be at the top of the food chain and not human, and the physically strongest people would be at the top of the hierarchy, and as we know that is not the case. Often the strongest are at the bottom of the hierarchy, while at the top are often old, short, skinny and physically weak people. Therefore, women have no justification for being physically less strong. If they are less powerful than men, it is because of their mental and not physical characteristics.
A woman who is looking for a "provider" be it beta, alpha or sigma, is a weak woman. As Peterson says, on average, if a trait is more prevalent in one gender, it is only 60%, so the differences are small, and both men and women have so-called "feminine" and "masculine" traits. Just like it's ok for a man to show his feelings, a woman must also be strong like a man. I have respect for alpha and sigma women, and the one looking for a provider is a beta woman, and i respect her as much as i respect a beta male. She is weak and will attract weak men.
“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."
-Matthew 10:16
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Amen 🙌 🙌 🙌
Yes
Amen
Thank you! This is exactly the verse I was thinking about!
Can't imagine having to write down notes for his classes lol.
"Warrior"
"Female Hierachy"
"frustration, pain and anxiety"
"Muscle twitch"
"Destilled exeperiences"
"Psychopathic thugs"
"Dragons and Knights"
When I had to read my notes back I would be like "Yeah... I didn't understand shit"
LOL just Got the Perfect visualization of confusion.
🤣 truth
In order to be in his class, you would already be the kind of person that didn't have to make notes.
thats why recorders were made
@@kutalee1671 You think Peterson got this intelligent and deep by recording HIS teachers?
I have always strived to stay on the outside of social hierarchies and power structures as much as possible, as I have no desire to dominate others, nor to be dominated. I just want to go my own way.
Peterson would argue that unless take up arms, you'll be dominated. He would consider your aim as highly Alpha, because you basically say you do not want to be dominated, whereas the only one in society that is not dominated is the one on top.
I actually believe the desire to dominate is very rare, especially compared to the desire of self-determination.
Mark van Kempen - he doesn’t speak about taking up arms. He speaks of recognition of your personal ability to bring chaos and then the integration of that into your personality. Far more sophisticated than taking up arms.
Go it alone 💯
Get a jeep
MGTOW
"Babies are born really young" - Jordan Peterson
Thank you. Its literally all I heard. I just don't get the fascination with this guy.
This is such a great quote when taken out of context!
@@donnathedead7554 Substitute "young" with earlier in development. It's the age since conception he's referring to, i.e we are born at 9 months which is young for humans
@@sambo1455 Birds and reptiles are born as eggs. What's your point?
Donna Thedead compared to other mammals, humans are born earlier (younger) and do more developing outside the womb. Sapiens is a great book on this if you’re curious
Great men with kindness and humility are the best traits
Confidence is dominance. My boss is the type of man to constantly assert and re-assert his dominance, and I've found that by simply talking to him like I would any other man, making no efforts to please him or stroke his ego, he has already shown mutual respect to me, which is far less than he's shown anyone else in our company.
Your doing great ! Your not feuling his gas tank
@@kimberlyh463 thank you (:
This comment section is women saying they hate men who call themselves alpha and calling themselves alpha in the same breath
You will also find that women who wish to be treated as a "queen" or "princess" will never refer to their man as a "king" or "prince". They will also say things like "a real man does (insert whatever benefits them)" but if they even suspect that a gender role is being applied to women you will get gasps of outrage because of your sexism, misogyny etc.
yes it's hilarious
Calling themselves alpha in the same breath is what you assumed dear!
Now, if men can be emotional which is a feminine trait and I respect that in my partner. Same goes for women, they have an ego too which is a masculine trait and it ought to be respected i think
Divas are not alohas
How about a self described betta male coming in to tell you that you’re basically intellectually crippled. I can guarantee you that I will achieve many more “feats of masculinity” than you will and I already have. Anyone who is able to derive logic from Jordan Peterson’s lectures. It’s basically one of joe Biden or Donald trumps speeches with fancy words, he’s a bumbling idiot and anyone who listens to him is just the same.
I feel weak when cruel. I feel strength when I am stern, and unwavering, cruel is different.
But it had to come from power/influence to be Stern
If you cannot change anything did you really forgive someone
Interestingly, I feel strong when I take it upon someone who deserves it.
@@Ronin3453 that’s not necessarily strong i would say
@@alpha6549 So you would rather not use your inner monster upon a tyrant? I do it to reform them and it works.
When I was a pup (1980's) I was welcome into two groups, the cool kids and the fairy squad (you call them nerds). I hung with the fairy squad because my dominance was at the top. If I hung with the larger group I would have just been a foot soldier. Never really thought about it until now.
Craig Sips now that i think about it, i ran with the nerds for the same reason in the 90's. i liked sports, but was mediocre at them. I was above average IQ, 130ish, i wasn't the smartest nerd, but my mind combined with my average athleticism, i was at or near the top of the dominance hierarchy of nerds.
There goes Craig... King of the fairies.
dfghjk,mn jhgfgh better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.
me darby iq 132 here as well. Academically I was mediocre but creative and I wielded the gift of the gab and was able to use it to rule.
the more people you're able to influence, the more dominant you are, that's it.
I am a very “dominant” female. I don’t have many girlfriends, but the ones that I have are independent enough to think differently from me so we often talk deeply about our opposing opinions. Every group I was in, I ended up in a sort of leading role, though I never quite set out to do so. When I dated guys I always looked for a guy who was “dominant” over me without trying to smother my own dominance. I wanted someone to earn their place beside me. When I found my now husband I knew he was the one on our first date. I said if he wants me he’ll come to church with me, and he not only came to church, he enjoyed it and then surprised me with a kiss before we parted ways. Two and a half years later we married and now we are expecting our first child.
Poor Kid.
@@afe4452 What do you mean by “poor kid?”
@@cami4CYeshua787 ignore the haters. I appreciate your story greatly. Thank you for sharing. It seems greatly underappreciated so far.
Lol church
Alpha’s don’t publicly present themselves. You just think you are.
I am definitely an alpha female. Especially in my home.
Im the only female so by default, I am the alpha female.
> female
> name is Albert Schmalbert
wat...
Lol.
Albert, you're also the omega female. Doesn't get any more pathetic than that for a bloke.
at least your wife is an omega male.. can't get better than that.
Heinz Arsch
>random "safe space" joke in 2018
>fedora-tier woman patronizer
>"women are yummy beings"
Holy shit are you fucking real? Save some cringe for the rest of us.
these students probably just think they're in another class, and here we all are going out of our way to watch arguably the wisest man we know. A hero Dr. Peterson is
Ah! The concept he shares at 4:24 is so spot on. Knowing we can harm others yet choosing not to is the start of the path to civilization.
So what you are saying is,...
Sool Noedig he does not kno da wey
so you guys are saying lobsters know the way?
DsiakMondala lobsters are the way!
No no. De lobstas mus find de way
Lobsters
There certainly are alpha females. My cousin is one. She's extremely attractive so that instantly gets her a lot of the way to what she wants, but on top of that she is very opinionated, dominant in social settings, aggressive in conflict situations, a shrinking violet she ain't. Despite the fact she isn't the nicest or friendliest person, people are drawn to her. She recently kicked her long term bf to the curb simply because he wasn't trying hard enough in life. 3 months later she bagged herself a white collar professional guy with a big salary. She's working class and all her friends and family are the same but she just upgraded her life partner because she could.
If that's not alpha female what is.
rivolinho golddigger lol
Sounds like an opportunist. Alpha women don't need to upgrade as they r usually not dependant on a male's financial position in society. I know I don't know the whole story but beta chicks usually need a 'successful' man around.
A yr later now I should add an addendum to this, didn’t realize it was going to spinoff a series of conflicting opinions. I was only responding to the person mentioned in the story, this man’s cousin where I disagreed with her being an alpha. She could be a pseudo-alpha? Just because a female is opinionated, aggressive and a white collar status climber does not automatically grant her alpha status imho. Generally speaking, alphas tend to be quiet or reflective, loners and always independent. The way you can spot one is how she treats her family or how she feels about her pack. It seems obvious to me that an alpha needs to lead a pack so that answers the question of them having to choose between family life and work. And if some ladies have no maternal instinct and hate housework? That’s OK too just leave them alone. I only know one alpha who chose career over kids and she does regret it now but that’s not my point. The ones I do know (and myself) r fiercely loyal to their cubs and will often leave a job to stay at home full-time. I see some new wave fems feel it is repressive to stay at home and take care of their family but then again they go to work and bend a knee to their male boss or ‘patriarchal created jobs’ no problem?? No thank you! (I fight to stay home with my kids and I’m a homeschooler too) Another way to tell is how they take care of another person‘s child, she will treat it like her own and not see it as competition like most beta’s will! That’s a sign to run. I don’t mean to use the word beta as a negative thing either, I’ve known quite a few beta females that were comfortable with it and made it work for them. There’s also Omega’s but that’s a different topic
@@marlajacques6947 I concur
All women are hypergamous.
Marla Jacques Real women need a provider. Maybe u can be an alpha at being submissive
ALPHA WOMEN DONT RUN IN PACKS. ❤💯
When was this even mentioned?
Thanks I didn’t see it the first time.
Exactly Willam Palmer..We don't ..Alpha Female also do not take advantage of elegant men. . So all the MGTOW beta males have been burned by second rate females.. and they are too pathetic to know it.
Yes they do! Women will gang up on another female if they do not like her. I have had this happen to me. A woman will not fight another woman alone; she always brings her cat pack with her.
That's damn right. Women are insecure and jealous, worse than an angry cat fight. Leave the freaky cracking cat and move on your own.
Came for the clickbait, stayed for the lecture. Applies to all videos on this channel, come to think of it.
Kurt Cobain would’ve liked that sweater.
NeoTheOne kurt Cobain should’ve watched the lobster video on posture lmao
Weezer would like to destroy it
But Kurt Cobain wouldn't have liked Mr Peterson
Mr. Rogers would have LOVED that sweater!
here's an Alpha comment
I am a very nice sweet woman, but I tell all my family and friends, "don't make the mistake of thinking you can manipulate me in anyway. I am capable of destroying anyone I deem an enemy to my well-being". Some people don't believe it, until they see, and once they do, I'm already done with them. Some say I'm cruel and heartless, I say I have boundaries for my own self-preservation. An alpha female doesn't have drama in her life because she doesn't tolerate it.
You deserve a "Yaaas queen!"
Well this is another kind of dynamic. Women would mostly avoid phisical confrontation but rather attack others' reputation and self worth.
This right here.
They usually don’t believe it until it’s too late.
I love living from a space of deep connectedness and feminine energy but I got another Me available for anybody who thinks that makes me Prey or fodder for their bullshit and ego. She’ll drop your ass like and anvil and keep it pushing.
Kindness and preference for peace does not = weak.
A Voice In The Wildernesd Angie van Es boundaries usually are not respected otherwise
your a bitch and a lier know u aint nice without any forgiveness
"Predator sloth" is my spirit animal.
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Lobster gang 🦞
@@aideniodice9078 😂😂😂 real g
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Every time I listen to doctor Peterson I'm amazed by how much truth comes out of one person
I am so amused at 8:52. Women rated 85% of men as “below average.” I CANNOT lol this is too accurate tho
Hypergamy. It's very well established this is accurate. Every woman wants to date up. That causes problems on the male side. It means only the top n'th percentile reproduce. And to compensate for the participation disparity, the top n'th percentile of men get to mate with the rest of the female population.
Nah it ain’t natural. As a man that has walked down both roads of “being a winner” and “being a loser” because I do whatever I want. Itis painful to watch as a man. It is totally bi polar and the men feel all the pain of it with women being oblivious not knowing what the fuck is going on .Just one of many reasons why we voluntarIly go blind and numb so we can get through life. Only the dead are laughing right now.
@Homelander And this is the reason, why I'm gonna marry a girl ;3 (I'm a woman)
@Homelander if you say so xD good luck incel
@@mrbigsquare382 wow... Ok wierdo
I enjoy my own company and don’t run in packs. I enjoy reading and writing and I hate being involved in gossip and female nastiness. That has made it hard for me to get along with women and I have been under the wrath of this but I choose to focus on my goals. I enjoy having interesting and meaningful conversations and I am career oriented. My heroes are people like Steve Jobs and Anna Wintour and Elon Musk. I quit my job last year without securing another job because my boss didn’t give me the promotion I wanted I stormed to his office and told him “would you be willing to compromise on your goals, then why should I ?” He changed his mind the next day and was willing to assist me but I still ended up quitting because I felt like my integrity had been compromised. I ended up securing a job shortly thereafter at a top corporate company 20x better than my old company and establishing a side hustle. Yes to Alpha females!!
Wow, that was pretty inspirational..😮
This guy can ramble like no one I've ever seen.
Yeah, but they all write everything down verbatim
@Zack.... rambling? If that is your perception, you're not a skilled listener. He's on point, aiming his lecture to a laser-sharp idea, focusing it's many factors into salient thought. One must only pay attention, and be able to digest a lot of profound information almost instantly.
Zack S heard
So it wasn’t just me...
Sorry you can't follow. Active listening might help
So privileged to attend Dr. Peterson's class on UA-cam while soaking in my tub. He's good company! This man is an incredible motivational speaker while also painting the picture of the opposite side of it. (It's hard work and it takes work to be engaged in life!).
Lesson for the day. Being cruel and not exercising being cruel is better than not having any teeth and not being able to be cruel at all. Love this man and his brilliant mind.
Sometimes though you have to satisfy your inner monster when doing so would be for the benefit of society overall
Wrong lesson learnt. Cruelty requires Strength, Strength doesn't require Cruelty. Kindness doesn't require Weakness, Kindness requires Strength. Be Strong so you can be Kind.
I disagree with you. Have you ever come across the lecture where he mentions that either the bible or Jesus cited that, the sheeth will inherit the earth? Sheeth meaning those who have the power and or weapons yet decide not to use them.
Physical Independence. That's it. Can you protect yourself and those near you.
You dont need to discard compassion, in fact it makes you a stronger Alpha to have it. Alphas are worthless without a cohort.
I wouldnt do that. Create a respectful environment like that of a class room and then watch you will soak more info then water
I swear I learn something EVERY TIME I watch one of his lectures, even if I've watched them before.
The guy coming in late, and the girl walking through the shot with a cup of something in her hand.....just to prove that this is in fact a legitimate, for credit, important university lecture.
5:11
You can't scare me to respect you. If I'm week, you can scare me to obey you, which would be an error from MY part, and has roots in fear, selfishness and survival. In order for me to respect you, you have to present some qualities in you, that allow me to respect, by recognizing them. Excuse my english.
The achilles point in that is if you lack the ability to recognize the respectable in others. You make life understanding almost impossible.
Women say they want the chance to participate in predominantly male hierarchies like, say, finance, because they believe they have a right to strive for the riches, status, and ultimately political status rising to the top brings. But then they turn around and say they don't like the hierarchy's rules (100 work weeks, uber-aggressive competition, high-pressure sales, etc). It seems to me you can't have it both ways--if you want to play the game, then play the game. If not, start your own game with your own rules. But to want to benefit from winning the game by destroying the game is completely illogical.
I would say i can find something attractive in about 85 to 90% of women i see. The other 10 to 15% are just fat. From 18 year olds to women in their forties, they all will usually have something physically attractive about them as long as they are not carrying the pudge. I believe women have a harder time finding a man they are attracted to than a man does finding a women. I think women should be the ones asking if they can buy you a drink. Men are simple. Women are complicated.
Timothy Roper , only genius play the fool's game.
I think it's more than just playing the same game as men. I think they want to get to the top so they can change the game.
Capitalism has turned into a...new darwinism. Success = survivability and potentially more offspring, or at least more 'preferred' mates...
I'd argue that men aren't simple. Women's tastes are many and varied. We're bound to the complex hierarchy they carve out for us, and are consequently a product of it.
I was blessed with two great parents and four loving siblings. My brother two years my senior we fought like boys will do and my father boxed n the army. So I was skilled in fighting at a young age. Plus I was always the tallest person in my grade. I never once bullied anyone and protected smaller kids from older ones who did. Once that was known I was only challenged by older kids a couple of times to their demise. I was 6’ at 12 yo and 6’6” 290lbs farm raised now. I wish everyone could know how it feels to the confidence I have had my entire life.
Jordan reminds me of Jeremy Irons...
In which dimension?
“Better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.” 🙏🏻
00:27 lol buddy, how the heck are you late for a Jordan Peterson lecture?
Underrated
God he helped me so much these years, I hope there will be a chapter of him in history books.
He really gives a harsh truth. And it hurts in a way. Everybody tells just be you and the love will find you. But for men it's mostly not finding rather achieving. And if failed to do so, there is only the worst left.
Human babies are ridiculously weak 😂
20 points
...but they can swim great.
I know, right?! Like, I can punch out a whole room full of them!
He says that because in the animal kingdom most babies by comparison are stronger or better adapt from birth than human babies. Look it up, nature is no joke. Check your species privilege. Would you kill one of your own babies to assure your pack’s survival? Animals would and some indigenous tribes have as well!
Babies have large eyes, and we humans are genetically wired to want to protect babies. This concept is a well known fact in Darwinian teachings, and shite, babies are pretty damn cute!
Tiffany Houchin Only females are hardwired to protect them
Don't allow yourself to be pushed around unless the trade off is a back handed advantage for yourself. And don't push others around, especially daily social micro dominance, unless you absolutely have too. Simple.
Pray for Mr. Peterson, he is very sick and hopefully will be returning to better health soon.
His wife, as well.... 🙏😔💙
I love the fact the JP doesn’t mind the late student, my teacher would probably waste half of the class being angry
This comment section so cringe
Ok
I was just thinking that 😆
100% agree
@Goolag Tube thats pretty cringe bro
People are pouring their hearts out and its cringe? Yeah u can go fuck yourself
When I was young, I had a lot friends- but I had no clique of friends and was never anyone’s proclaimed “favorite” or best friend. I really wanted close, best friends but I always seemed to chosen against & I didn’t understand why.
It wasn’t until I was in my late 30’s that I realized I: I wasn’t really being chosen against...
Actually, it was I that had been making the choice my whole life.
That is what an alpha female is.
Nancy Gerstell maybe you didn’t know how to be a best friend?
Bravo- Emotional autonomy and integrity makes you un-inclined to manipulators and groupthink. It allows you to be authentic. I am an intellectual and an introvert. I have people who are close to me but I have discovered that you cannot have people and freedom. I don't need a group or a best friend- I need space.
@@angeldela7633 - That is sort of a mean spirited thing to say without knowing the woman. How do you be a "best" friend? ---That is a grade school concept. According to ancient Greek wisdom: " The best friendships exist for their own sake." Like the good, the true and the beautiful, I don't think being "besties" is an actual thing- certainly not an intellectual thing.
This sounds more like an excuse than anything
Susan Thompson no, not an excuse at all. Life is good... I’m just pondering the process.
That said: I don’t mind you calling me out for clarity, so I thank you.
One comment on what's been said on hierarchies, fulfilment and success: there seem to be plenty of people out there who tick the generally accepted markers of success and still feel miserable.
Probably its because they dont have a true meaningful purpose other than fulfilling a living,what da Think bro ?
@@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 I think it is a mistake to aspire to the generally accepted markers of success, even if it means lower probability of successful reproduction ;-) The reason I say that is because I see too many 'successful' yet depressed people around. You are probably right about the 'meaningful purpose' (if one is lucky enough to find it).
In elementary school we used to fight. A lot. There were many unwritten rules like no scratching or biting, no hitting someone on the ground, don't inflict lasting damage. And Noone held grudges after fights. Eventually you would test your strength on another day.
Every guy knew the hierarchy, you only fought with the ones around your position in the hierarchy, those just above you and those below you trying to challenge you. You wouldn't fight anyone who didn't want to or didn't fight back, that was frowned upon. And I never understood why you would pick on someone below you on the hierarchy, you and them both know who's stronger so what's the point?
Noone ever got seriously hurt.
In hindsight I learnt a lot about honor, sizing up enemies, picking fights and social hierarchies during that time.
My parents had me do judo when I was little and I continued to do so well into adulthood.
I never got into physical fights after that phase of testing my strength as a kid/young teen. But I am certain I could hold my own if I ever got into one.
Nowadays kids fights are broken up immediately and I think that takes away from their ability to resolve conflicts, maneuver hierarchies and assert situations.
Good point man.
Well part of the reason is because we're humans. We have speech for a reason. You should absolutely fight back if someone is attacking you, but testing your mettle and social standing against someone else through physical combat is barbaric. Chimpanzees do that. That's subhuman behavior though. Conflicts are only resolved with physical violence in movies; in real life, they're resolved with words and understanding.
If you’re incapable of cruelty then you’re absolutely a victim of those who are. ...sad but true
Can you imagine trying to study for this guys test? His lectures are just trains of thought
That's because he would have set the reading of theories outside the class.As should happen.
I'm gonna be honest. I think I like jordan peterson but hard to follow his thought process. But he seems to want do good work and I can appreciate his efforts.
Cool
"It just lays there and utters plaintive noises..."
So brilliant of him to tie it all together, how men are as babies and how we are after being sexually rejected.
That sign: "For the sake of your other students, please keep the classroom clean"
That's a sign.
Clean your classroom.
Regarding Dr. Peterson's point on the virtue of having the capacity to be a monster and choosing not to: 仁 (In) in ancient Chinese means, "to be human" and is synonymous with, "to be merciful." I hope that he has a speedy recovery.
He needs to watch Mean Girls
@Kadee Mallory
They're 16, and everyone has insecurity. Alpha or not. It's a commentary on hierarchy, which is better defined than the idea of 'Alpha', which is not an objective concept.
@Kadee Mallory Girls. Not women/ladies. Girls are emotionally/psychologically/intellectually immature/insecure/unevolved. It's when girls grow a clue and fix those problems they become women/ladies.
I would never arrive late for a Jordan Peterson class.
Dominance in a male or female is to be right with yourself. Wise and knowing also is part of this mix.
❤️❤️❤️ This man is such a gift to this garbage world
They dont know how lucky they are to have had him as a teacher🙌🏻😭
I just realized that whenever one wants to mess with me I just stare them dead in the eyes with an unconditionally calm experience... I didn't allways do that... And I wasn't allways respected
How did you get from there to here re: respect and calmness?
Works in a hostile neighbor situation.
4:39 I'd like to give a different perspective: Finding what your self is incapable of is just you learning your self. I'd implore to treat your self well, and understand that "general intelligence" (self) is what will lead you to what you truely are. Maybe what would help people learn full of what your self is could lie within comprehending what "time" and "moral" truely are. Here's the more elaberate quote: Ask thy self what it is, and you shall learn.
i used to think i was weird because i find most men unattractive but looks like according to peterson it's normal amongst women. that study he mentioned that women ranked 85% of the men as below average rings true to me
What rings true to me is that you are conceited and men don’t waste time on that. Truly.
It is impossible for someone who doesnt respect themselves to respect others....you cant give without what you dont have within....
Not true sometimes you just don't respect/ love your self enough with substances but you just need balance in life.
I wasn’t an alpha female 3 years ago, until I went through my hero’s journey and came out as an Alpha female, after going through shitty relationships and complete breakdown and rebuilding of my self worth/personality.
How did you do that?
If women are attracted to confidence, they need to instill it. It's women that raise men.
true af ,
How lucky and privileged are those kids that get to learn from Jordan Peterson? Very.
Have A Nice Day and some are still coming in late 🤦🏻♀️
He is a professor. 🤷♀️
Wont you be my neighbor🎼
By the end of this, i get the feeling life itself is made up of impossible situations; constrained from every angle yet in perfect balance. Life is suffering, but it's the best it could be. It's a lot easier to fall than to rise
That's what it's like to be created good, and also to be living under a fallen, broken condition -- quite a tension humanity holds for now.... 😏🙏
In case you're wondering why you never hear Jordan say the terms 'alpha male' and 'alpha females', it's because they don't exist in humans.
Anos Anosn I was looking for this comment. Why is the term used so much in people sharing J Peterson videos? I can see why it may be used when describing the peak of a hierarchy, but it seem quite limiting and really doesn’t capture the intricacies/dynamic. “Ah I’m an alpha” relative to what?
There are most certainly human versions/traits though.
@@bellebenson205 Human dominance hierachies are multi-dimensional and plastic. While neuroticism and agreeableness can affect it, the most dominant person in a given situation is context dependent on who is around (IE: Who likes who) and what problem you're trying to solve. When trying to fix a leak on a boat, you listen to the carpenter if you want to survive, so to speak.
Also, my memory is a bit loose, but I recall reading that not even animals have alphas, and that the original studies on alpha wolves were faulty for some reason that I can't recall at present.
They don't exist at all actually. The guy who invented the concept was watching how wolves behave and he concluded that there must be a hierarchy (alpha, beta, etc). He did the same study again (a couple years later) and found that he was wrong. But it was too late. The book was already published and now tons of guys go around thinking they need to be the "alpha" of every group they're in. Kinda sad tbh
@@yuirick If you don't believe animals have hierarchies, you've never been a chicken farmer. If you don't believe humans have hierarchies, you've never been in a high school.
Seriously, EVERY time Jordan goes by his door, a "person" is passing it as well.
haha
Man, everytime i lisen to Jordan Petersson , I learn something new about myself
Ok... Jordan is talking from a place of theory when he claims that being a competent fighter “having teeth” reduces the likelihood of needing to fight. I was a kickboxer for 8 years and was well known in my local community for my skill set as I fought several times at the local club. I had plenty of young guys pick fights with me when I was out at a club. They knew who I was, they knew I could fight, they saw the challenge as a opportunity to prove themselves in front of their friends. He rightly suggests that I didn’t have minor vocal squabbles with workmates and such, but he misses the opportunity I presented other guys to prove themselves against. My younger brother is a engineer and was never athletic in any sense. He suffered far more bullying in school that I did but was never in a actual fight in his life (so far and hopefully forever). I can’t count how many street fights I’ve had. Most of them I was punched first. It’s simply untrue what jordan is claiming here.
Your younger brother was in fewer fights, not because he needed to fight fewer times than yourself but because he was unable to fight. In other words, your younger brother (if what you say is accurate) was presented with far more opportunities to fight than you were. However, your younger brother lacking the skill to fight didn't even consider opposing his bullies and therefore was in fewer fights than yourself. It doesn't mean he wasn't brutalized or bullied.
You are in fact proving Peterson's fundamental point, which is that competence at fighting gives one the confidence that is necessary to warn antagonists of the potential consequences of breaching your boundaries. Thus, resulting in the avoidance of potential fights. The keyword here is potential, because you don't really know how many fights you have avoided and you only know how many fights you got into.
There will also always be variables unique to individual circumstances, but generally Peterson is correct. Bullies tend to avoid the potential for adverse consequences.
@@makehumanitygreatagain8128 exactly! Not to brag, but that is precisely how to face down a bully; possibly the only effective way. Bullies are driven by their inherent insecurity; they're cowards at heart.
Ublomonkies
More than likely those young dudes in the club were drunk. That doesn't help your argument, lol
There's a lot of things you're not accounting for here. How often did your brother go out? Did he go clubbing often? Seems like you found yourself in situations where conflict could arise more often than your brother (though I could be wrong).
Me unable to be cruel.
Everyone else I've met.
What he said about that is true.
"In order to catch an animal or avoid
it, you must first think like it, or lie at
the particular wavelength at which it
operates w/out necessarily being it."
Intelligent, confident women can be very attractive. It does take a certain man to yoke up with one. Ideally, he is OK with her greatness and is encourages her while not allowing himself to be dominated by her.
I would like to find a man like that.
Let me know when, if, and where! you find such a creature.... 😉
00:30 SHAAAAME!!!
00:49 shame pt.2
At least they met up
Shame?
Levi Johnson yeah, a guy came in late at 00:30
Mechanical Ninjineer
Oh. Haha.
I always tease the students coming in late with a playful stink eye.
Jordan Peterson is the worlds therapist
Watching Hannibal really helped for me.
Imagine trying to take
Notes as hes talking
He encourages students not to take notes during his lectures. He posts all of his notes and lectures online, but he’s stated before that he prefers for his students to listen intently in his lectures, remember as much as they can when they get home (to encourage their brain to practice memorization), and compare your thoughts from the lecture to the notes.
I will say, Dr.Peterson is class i would never be late to.
I kept waiting for him to pull out some transparencies and fire up that overhead projector.
Our unconscious egos (the anima/animus), are traits we desire in the opposite sex we ourselves suppress.
Forever Jung
That's why I like sith phiosophy. Peace is a lie.There is only passion. Through passion I get strength.Through strength I get power(competence). Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken.The force shall free me.
The book that documents “women rate 80% of men ‘below average’” is titled “Dataclysm” by OkCupid founder Christian Rudder.
It was difficult to listen to that. I can appreciate the content but the delivery was that of one continuous run on sentence. I can parse out the wheat from the chaff but it was not easy.
YA I GIVE UP. I THINK I COULD DO BETTER...
When I had smart teachers I'd never be late. You have Jordan Peterson as a professor...
They also compete differently than men. That’s why men don’t understand it.
Yeah completely different animal
Yeah they’re backhanded and conniving. They’ll take you down with them, even if this means taking a hit themselves, just because they can’t stand to see you win.
This is coming from a woman btw.
doubleS07
You definitely do not understand female competition.
Imagine, that you have the same sex drive you have now. But that 12% of the time you had sex, it killed you and all of your children.
Now replay that over 200,000 years, say 50,000 generations. And see what kind of behaviors and traits you develop.
doubleS07
And there are plenty of women who do not understand female competition, either.
Many don’t understand the rules.
Are losers to the rules.
Reject the rules.
How could a species survive if 30% the female dies during childbirth? That is extinction level decimation.
Comedown Vibes same species.
Different traits.
who dares be late to a JP lecture
a dragon of chaos
How is every sentence packed with wisdom
th warrior who chooses not to fight is th hero...
“Fighting is no good. But if you must fight, win.”
Be a lion when needed, so you can be a lamb you are ❤️ ... through experience you learn who you can trust, where and with whom you need to put boundaries and leave when someone doesn’t respects your boundaries ...
6:22 very few among us have mastered this.
I know ratios.
it’s ok to acknowledge that men and women are changing rapidly in the ever changing society. it’s not that big a deal. you’ll struggle with it more, if you exist with attachment paradigms and misuse of the self
In my mid to late 20s, I became an "Alpha" without realizing it. Most of my young life I was bullied, due to having been promoted several times ahead of everyone else. So, I was smaller, and much smarter, then everyone else around me. You can imagine what happened to me.
Fast forward to years later, after a stint in the military and years of Martial Arts training, and I was a lithe, strapping young man, boiling off testosterone and confident of my abilities. However I was unaware of its effect on those around me. I viewed it as an internal thing.
I dated many beautiful young women, and I thought the shortness of the relationships was due to my shortcomings (even though I was only ever dumped once.. usually it deteriorated and I ended it), so I improved. Which brought more attention, and even more beautiful women. It got to the point where I was dating 9's exclusively.. and again, I wasn't really aware of this being unusual.
Finally I got with an intelligent and interesting 8 who was 10 years younger then me and decided to settle down with her.
Took some time, but after over 10 years that ended as well. For similar reasons. She wouldn't hold to her commitments.
That followed with me dating women much younger then myself for a few years. Then, finally, I realized.. all of this was pointless, risky, and I was destined for an early grave if I continued.
So, I stopped dating. Even now, I am over 50..... I still have the occasional 22 year old make a play for me. I let my beard go white and it still happens. I reeled it all the way back to jeans, t shirts and cotton jackets.. it still happens. I can still stare down a young guy intent on making trouble... that's who I am. I imagine in another 10 years, that will go away.. but there it is.
Being "Alpha" is not what you think it is. Not if you are a conscientious person. Not if you want something more than great and/or frequent sex. Yes, you can get tired of it. You can get tired of the parade, and the realization that comes along with it. And then when you are looking at what is actually happening... you realize (if you are lucky) all in one instant... you are the prize, and you are what they want to OWN. Not one of them doesn't think this way, or is not encouraged to think this way. And this goes for organizations, and for women equally. Not only that, but everyone wants to knock you off the hill. It's a constant fight. With a woman in your life ALSO doing this, it becomes almost too much stress to take on, and still have a hope at self actualizing.
Don't do this to yourself. Find your purpose, move towards fulfilling it, and let NOTHING.. not women, not children, not society.. stand in your way. If someone wants to come along for the ride, thats fine. The moment they try to take the wheel, kick them out of the car. There is a big difference between agreeing on a destination, and handing over the wheel. Never do that.
I was The Alpha, and I spent far too much time and energy on trying to get the right woman.. trying to "understand how" to deal with women. Giving of myself to women in order to maintain the thing I thought was a major part of my purpose. Thus, although I succeeded in my career.. I never went to the next step beyond. I am doing that now but at age 50, I can't take too risky of a chance, so my potential has been capped.
Go your own way, gentlemen. If a woman wants to come along, make sure she understands the rules, and don't ever let her break them. If you are running something, make sure you are clear, polite and firm. Don't ever compromise your goals for someone else's. Always strive, strive strive for your success.
Believe me. Everything else will materialize in your wake. You won't have to do anything to make it happen. It just will. Because everyone around you will notice, and will want a piece of you. Then, you will be in charge of who gets a slice.
Timothy Black That just sounds so exhausting.
It was. That's why I posted all of that TL;DR advice :-)
:3
Timothy....
I am an Alpha Female.....
I stand Alone....in many things I do.
I met my husband when I was 37.
We are individuals in a relationship. We never loose sight of that. I like what you wrote here and I agree.
It made me think about what Abraham Lincoln said, and it has inspired me in my 20's, 30's and 40's.
I am 50 now....
Abraham Lincoln said.....
"Always Bear in Mind that your own Resolution to Succeed is More Important Than Any Other One Thing".......
Thanks for Listening.....!!!
ROCK On....!!
Boys and men of the interwebz, present and future, for as long as this comment/video stays up - Listen to this man. He gets it. I've experienced essentially the exact same things in life and was forced, due to the pressures of first hand experience, to come to the same conclusions several years ago in my early 30s.
That being said, don't let "success" be defined by externals - such as wealth, money and status. Figure out what your purpose is, something that makes you feel ALIVE and gives meaning to your life. Chasing after money and women will only bring misery. Those "goals" are the ones implanted into the minds of the masses by people who wish to keep you enslaved; and you let them, which is why the lives of people are terrible, regardless of how much wealth and status they have. There's so, SO much more to life than these things. Treat money similar to women. If it comes over the course of your efforts, that's fine, but never make it the priority, otherwise you'll pull yourself back into the realm of the Living Dead. It may take decades or even lifetimes to really figure out what's important to you - but once you've figured it out, then let nothing stand in your way. At the same time, it's important to doubt your goals, especially the younger and inexperienced you are. Question yourself relentlessly. In the long run this will give increased satisfaction with the accomplishment of your goal, and you're much more likely to pursue it with enthusiasm and inspiration, which also facilitates creativity and discovery. You'll live much, much fuller lives. You may have to get severely burned a few times first to appreciate this though.
Seek truth.
Know thyself.
Question everything.
00:30 you don’t come in late to JP’s lecture 😤