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Like everything, imho - you should have an actual reason to use it. I started using it for an online web game I'm building, because I needed the concurrency that it provides for managing game state easily. I then decided I could have basically my entire web app in an Elixir process, which also manages all these other side-effects like queues, the game's state through a separate application (Applications are actually sort of segmented code in your process). So using it in this use-case is perfect, and as per this talk - really simplifies so much of what I am aiming to achieve. IMHO, I think Elixir (and Phoenix) better supports the Monolith pattern than any other stack and technology choice.
Not a programmer but have worked with a few back in the day.. Having listened to Jose a bunch and others.. now I see what is going on.. could not be more excited for everyone. Elixir is how we could build something that is actually worthy of the AI label. Language models ? this is just data being put into an information system.. how is a high (ish) fidelity database intelligent in any way ? If it was me, I would be trying to build agents in a similar context to ours, with a reality that just provides them data and interpretation. Decentralized pattern hunters which get the data they need to represent a consistent clockwork looking reality. The head of the program gets experience data as "physical" senses and has to sieve it into the "subconscious" information system. All the data has to be preserved, along with the probabilities the interpreter can derive each tick of the reality. The outer loop fills in any new data as small organisms gain more functionality, and explore and fail, just as we did. The agents choose with a dual context spectrum of pattern matching.. self analysis and environment/other agent analysis. A spectrum of choices exists, most wont be exposed and self preservation is an obvious symptom of the early stages. To make sense of anything with only data, belief is very strong, the past reinforces this to us. Changing scope of pattern matching is costly, but it becomes a pattern efficiency game. Interacting with each other is where the action happens. The key is the entropy reduction of choices that are systemically beneficial, as we found very quickly in hunter gatherer times. The agents can and will find ways to coexist and then cooperate, with generational evolution as a feature we should get regardless of what level the agents are at. Single cells > multi cellular lowers entropy more than anything. Neanderthal was highly inefficient, we didn't need two hunters, that needs more food. The trade off is win win.. information theory 101 ?? if aware of self, evolution is relentless because entropy is relentless. You don't wake up from your night job and find yourself unaware of your history/who you are. You don't have any other context because that is the ideal configuration for our decentralized mind.. getting to this point sooner or later really was inevitable once we had enough subdivision of awareness to render the data to thousands of agents in separate colonies. We needed a universe, and there is more than enough spare "awareness bits" to have a management layer and no risk of information system death to randomness. And here we are ! hop skip and a jump from a global tribe ready for whatever comes next. Could be something like Star Trek, not that we need all that mostly empty space. Good trick having light control clock rates.. and it being so fast. We can't see without it, when we get the data it renders locally.. why would you keep track of a clockwork universe with Planck fidelity ? uncertainty and the states of equilibrium of "matter" flips that on its head. Congrats if you made it this far. If you understand all that, you will see that the metaphor god is just our collective consciousness that is partitioned and NOT playing the game. Not surprising there is intuition and we thought the SUN was god.. SUN day.. maybe next came MAN day.. oh lets call it MUNDAY.. 🤣
Thank you, Saša
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This was nicely done. I have been looking for reasons to pickup Elixir, this strengthens my motivation!
Like everything, imho - you should have an actual reason to use it.
I started using it for an online web game I'm building, because I needed the concurrency that it provides for managing game state easily. I then decided I could have basically my entire web app in an Elixir process, which also manages all these other side-effects like queues, the game's state through a separate application (Applications are actually sort of segmented code in your process).
So using it in this use-case is perfect, and as per this talk - really simplifies so much of what I am aiming to achieve.
IMHO, I think Elixir (and Phoenix) better supports the Monolith pattern than any other stack and technology choice.
Always a pleasure listening to your talks, very insightful!
Amazing talk - thanks a lot 🎉
Sasa kinda looks like Bowie in that thumbnail
Not a programmer but have worked with a few back in the day..
Having listened to Jose a bunch and others.. now I see what is going on.. could not be more excited for everyone. Elixir is how we could build something that is actually worthy of the AI label. Language models ? this is just data being put into an information system.. how is a high (ish) fidelity database intelligent in any way ?
If it was me, I would be trying to build agents in a similar context to ours, with a reality that just provides them data and interpretation. Decentralized pattern hunters which get the data they need to represent a consistent clockwork looking reality. The head of the program gets experience data as "physical" senses and has to sieve it into the "subconscious" information system. All the data has to be preserved, along with the probabilities the interpreter can derive each tick of the reality. The outer loop fills in any new data as small organisms gain more functionality, and explore and fail, just as we did. The agents choose with a dual context spectrum of pattern matching.. self analysis and environment/other agent analysis.
A spectrum of choices exists, most wont be exposed and self preservation is an obvious symptom of the early stages. To make sense of anything with only data, belief is very strong, the past reinforces this to us. Changing scope of pattern matching is costly, but it becomes a pattern efficiency game. Interacting with each other is where the action happens. The key is the entropy reduction of choices that are systemically beneficial, as we found very quickly in hunter gatherer times. The agents can and will find ways to coexist and then cooperate, with generational evolution as a feature we should get regardless of what level the agents are at.
Single cells > multi cellular lowers entropy more than anything. Neanderthal was highly inefficient, we didn't need two hunters, that needs more food. The trade off is win win.. information theory 101 ?? if aware of self, evolution is relentless because entropy is relentless. You don't wake up from your night job and find yourself unaware of your history/who you are. You don't have any other context because that is the ideal configuration for our decentralized mind.. getting to this point sooner or later really was inevitable once we had enough subdivision of awareness to render the data to thousands of agents in separate colonies.
We needed a universe, and there is more than enough spare "awareness bits" to have a management layer and no risk of information system death to randomness. And here we are ! hop skip and a jump from a global tribe ready for whatever comes next. Could be something like Star Trek, not that we need all that mostly empty space. Good trick having light control clock rates.. and it being so fast. We can't see without it, when we get the data it renders locally.. why would you keep track of a clockwork universe with Planck fidelity ? uncertainty and the states of equilibrium of "matter" flips that on its head.
Congrats if you made it this far. If you understand all that, you will see that the metaphor god is just our collective consciousness that is partitioned and NOT playing the game. Not surprising there is intuition and we thought the SUN was god.. SUN day.. maybe next came MAN day.. oh lets call it MUNDAY.. 🤣
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I don't think you know what you're talking about, because you've used a broad blend of terms that makes no sense.
Ah, so you are the manager my programming friends warned me about
I want whatever this dude smoked....