Anti Mysticism with James Tunney
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2024
- James Tunney, LLM, is an Irish Barrister who has lectured on legal matters throughout the world. He is a poet, a visual artist, and also author of The Mystical Accord: Sutras to Suit Our Times, Lines for Spiritual Evolution. In addition, he has written two dystopian novels -- Blue Lies September, and Ireland I Don't Recognize Who She Is. His website is www.jamestunney....
Here he discusses various elements of society that are antagonistic to mysticism. He notes that the objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand, while antagonistic to religion, and therefore mysticism, ought not to be -- since it emphasizes individual freedom. However, objectivism has strong rationalistic and scientistic elements that tend to view mysticism as a dangerous superstition. Similarly, psychiatry also tends to confuse mysticism with psychopathology.
New Thinking Allowed host, Jeffrey Mishlove, PhD, is author of The Roots of Consciousness, Psi Development Systems, and The PK Man. Between 1986 and 2002 he hosted and co-produced the original Thinking Allowed public television series. He is the recipient of the only doctoral diploma in "parapsychology" ever awarded by an accredited university (University of California, Berkeley, 1980).
(Recorded on January 18, 2020)
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James Tunney, Blue Lies September - amzn.to/3bKO9z5
James Tunney, Ireland I Don’t Recognize Who She Is - amzn.to/2UZfExY
Ayn Rand, The Virtue of Selfishness - amzn.to/2WMLFLS
Ayn Rand, The Fountainhead - amzn.to/2zglyUL
Leonard Peikoff, Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - amzn.to/2zgltAr
Annie Jacobsen, Operation Paperclip - amzn.to/2LKmXFJ
Paul Kurtz, Skepticism and Humanism: The New Paradigm - amzn.to/3cP7zUl
Sigmund Freud, Studies in Parapsychology - amzn.to/2ZoYFZN
Sigmund Freud, The Future of an Illusion - amzn.to/3giC4V4
Gary Lachman, Jung the Mystic - amzn.to/2L807Yx
Christopher Isherwood, Ramakrishna and His Disciples - amzn.to/3d1JZUo
Martin Luther King, Strength to Love - amzn.to/2WMNoAQ
Frederick Douglass, Narrative of the Life of An American Slave - amzn.to/3bOvmCJ
Patrick Geoghegan, Liberator: The Life and Death of Daniel O’Connell - amzn.to/2ZnXaLq
Quentin Tarantino, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (video) - amzn.to/2z7bOMI
Charles Dickens, A Christman Carol - amzn.to/2TnQglR
Charlotte Craft, King Midas and the Golden Touch - amzn.to/2z7bMV5
Charles Dickens, Hard Times - amzn.to/2AOkEPN
Wilson Van Dusen, The Presence of Other Worlds - amzn.to/3e9gkc3
Liam Clancy, The Yellow Bittern (video) - amzn.to/36kaaDf
Ivor Browne, Music and Madness - amzn.to/2ZrlcVZ
Anthony Clare, In the Psychiatrist’s Chair (audio book) - amzn.to/2LJegvd
Steven Naifeh, Van Gogh: The Life - amzn.to/2Tot4Uw
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It is such a pleasure to hear these two in dialogue.
Listening to a really Irish Irishman unravel a complex philosophical concept is always an exercise in linguistic acrobatics, amusing anecdotes and superfluous but heartwarming allusions to famously infamous Public Houses. Loveing James Tunney
Brilliant, what a stunning contribution and so pertinent right now considering the technocracy totalitarianism we are facing right now. I hope he becomes better well known as so many can learn so much from him, so grateful.
Very reassuring to know James Tunney is out there. His genuine kindness, and your lovely relationship, literally brought a tear to my cynical eye.
Looking forward to his return to the show! Thank you both.
If you've not heard The Clancy Brothers or The Dubliners, check them out! Great stuff!
I was born in Sligo in 1961 and Makem & Clancy, The Chieftains, Horslips, The Wolfe Tones, The Dubliners etc, provided the back drop to my formative years. Alas, I agree with James, I don't recognise the Ireland of today. 'Souled Out' is the term I use to describe her now. 😏 James is great. 🇮🇪☘️🧚✌️❤️😊
What I like best about James' approach is he seems to ask, in each instance, how does this idea serve humanity's evolution? It seems a great tool for discernment.
Absolutely with you re religion of Scientism. Once while camping with a large group, I had a migraine & wished desperately for a chiropractor to realign my back & relieve pressure/ stress. A man married to a medical student informed me my migraine was "psychosomatic". He actually told me that if he were ill and conventional medicine couldn't help him, he would refuse treatment from a natural therapist even if they could demonstrate success with their methods. If that's not a religious faith, I don't know what is!
One of my favorite of the guests here who alway brings the warm of his soul into the discussion.
A fascinating guest, full of knowledge and stories. One of my favourites!
Please continue these talks
Really like the series, I'm sure many would be glad if you did just talk for hours. Great stuff. Thank you.
Reading his Mystical Accord right now. What a find Mr Mishlove! Thank you both for being Yourselves!!!
Thank you both for the thought and heart stimulating threads.
"we have been trained to ignore magic" ~Dean Radin
in Jeffrey's The Reality and Significance of Magick with Dean Radin interview - includes the 4 part synchronicity.
Wow! I loved that, and didn’t expect Van Gogh to be mentioned. It’s amazing where these conversations go, thank you Jeffrey and James. 💕
Tunney has a very healthy attitude regarding Rand and her thinking about mysticism.
I hope you'll have many more conversations with James Tunney. These are great ideas for exploration at this time of what some are calling a meaning-making crisis. How do we discern truth? Acknowledge that facts are shaped by narrative intent? Yes. But, does this mean we must deconstruct every narrative? Only a few will commit to that sort of rigor.
Interesting conversation. First time hearing Mr. Tunney, so I'll have to read more of him. Thank you.
I love this channel! Thank you, Jeffrey!
It's a beautiful world, thank you both
Great conversation, thank you both🍀
Good!!! He talks about Irish music 🎶!!!
Tunney, you're great! So widely-read. Cultured. (I'm perhaps a bit elitist here - I'm from an academic background myself). And down-to-earth.
There's nothing 'elitist' about being well read. Anyone in the Western world can use a library. Elitism is snobbery based on money or belonging to some particular clique; it should never be used against educated people. That's quite literally what Stalinists did (and murdered or sent people to gulags exactly for that).
@@pythagorasnine Well, that all depends ... Not all are encouraged to read. Often, in overcrowded schools, learning difficulties are undiagnosed until too late. Children, mocked and humiliated. Psychological barriers arise. I'd give examples had I more space and time. I see it amongst my own friends. People reject learning because they're told it's not for them. Or children are sent out to work at 15 because the family struggles. In many instances, people overcome these difficulties only if they need technical knowledge absolutely essential for their field. But still, philosophy and other disciplines, history, art, literature - all may be, literally, a closed book to them. It's almost Dickensian. I live in Australia. In the Northern Territory, 100% of children held in incarceration are Aboriginal. Children as young as ten, and the treatment they receive is often brutal in extreme. Systemic racism - do you think this helps them learn to read? A child in solitary confinement, padlocked to a chair, with a hood tied over their face? Those of us who care about social justice are pushing for the age of incarceration to be raised to 13. There is no level playing-field. That is why having a higher education can be seen as elitist. It is certainly not open to all. What makes it worse, though, if those of us fortunate enough to possess such education act as if those who don't are in such a position due to some innate failing, laziness, or lack of moral fibre. I hope you agree?
A Big Mighty Thanks Gentlemen.
Amazing! Thanks Doc for another fantastic journey
The last "line" from James regarding spiritual evolution was a real bomb. Thank you Mr. Mishlove.
This channel really is great!
Wonderful once again!
I must tune into this intriguing discussion later. I did. Brilliant.
Wonderful discussion
Love u Dr. Mishlove. Great guest.
James Tunney is just warm.
hey great interview. suggestion for future guest: Nassim Haramein
Pain and joy - yes!
Yep....this is the problem with thinking too much.
Always had. Dream. Sitting on above rock wall. Overlooking village. I was never in charge. Only wish to partake below
Really like James Tunney!
Beautiful
Fine points-good discussion-optimum length !
Too bad I can't meet Mr Tunney for a drink!!!
You just have! And if you want to join a discussion, make a video with what you would have said to him in response :)
Some amazing ideas and building blocks of thought 💭🌈👍🏾
23:15, great critique of essentialism
Thanks buddy
Your the best show on UA-cam 🥰
I agree masses whether inputed.or lack of input.equills status quo
break the old mold and create a new one, why not extend the interviews or break them into part 1 and 2 etc. experiment with a few different ways as additional options. Though Im sure you dont need to hear it from moi. :0 Great interview, Mr. Tunney is a very enjoyable and intelligent person to listen to along with Mr. Mishlove. Winning combination
'" The next discovery Involves
the little known and little recognized work of parapsychology." Wilson van Dusen
Wilson van Dusens' books: Presence of Other Worlds and The Natural Depths of Man and his doctoral thesis : A dimension Theory of Mind are available on the Internet. I wrote to him (21 pages) which he read and answered. That's when I was becoming convinced that the experiences of my life (both physical and inner content ) that were affecting two groups of people that were introducing higher levels of square dancing to the outraged mainstream dancers were the patterns that can personalize reality so intimately and distinctly. That was before I met him when he spoke to the small group of local Swedenborgians a few times. The mysterious thing is what Jesus meant when he said: 'The kingdom of heaven is around you but you do not see it." Isaac Newton saw It and described it. didn't he?
something fun happens in these free - range conversations with mr tunney. covering the terrain of mystics shamans gurus artists philosophers, im always fascinated and delighted by them! thank you again jeffery m.
Excellent talks and narrating.....................!!!
On one hand, I would love for you to get the exposure from being on other people's podcasts, but I don't think the majority of people (or even the well-known podcasters I have in mind) would be able to have a productive dialogue worthy of your knowledge base and intellect.
On the other, you need the publicity. You are deserving of a wider audience.
some of my best friends are sex dolls, i find them canny
Ayn Rand and Freud discussed in a positive light put me off this. Don't mean to be cruel but love a lot of interviews on this channel and could only skim this one.
If he's saying don't let anyone be your guru I agree, got that from Steiner first though.
Lot of stuff I consider to be boojie American pseudo zen in what he's saying and has a lot of academic puff behind it, heard it before, sorry couldn't connect that well with it.
Also I'm very suspicious of Ireland's vestigial English international law relationship and barristers are part of an elite that doesn't have what you could describe as shared morals and I don't believe are working for the good of humanity.
Otherwise love the show! Keeping the parapsych flame burning in what is actually a very hostile environment particularly in UK.
I hardly think Mr Tunney is an apologist for either Rand or Freud!
@@amandayorke481 doesn't need to be. I really didn't find this insightful
Science is very useful and is amoral. So?
Albacookie!
No one expects the Ayn Rand Edition.
Didn't she die on welfare btw?
At 33:33 he Tunney makes the NTA logo with his hands.
Ayn Rand? hmm very peculiar cult....
I’ve watched, and read, Jeffrey Mishlove for years. This was a terribly, and for Mishlove uncharacteristically, unfocussed, discussion. We are left with an undigestible amalgam of paranormal events, mental imbalance, if not psychosis, vague New Age sounding platitudes, a strained rush of names and disciplines, and the sense that neither of these gentlemen is particularly clear on certain fundamentals, such as what decisively differentiates Jesus from the sort of nebulous mysticism they are alluding to. Real mystics tend to be painfully clear, and there also seem to be at least two irreconcilable varieties, which I suppose will not go down well with the “All is One” crowd. Very disappointing.
They're just "thinking 'aloud' "
Hm.
Nightspore, I suspect that like me, you are Christian. Perhaps, unlike me, you prefer references couched in Christian terms. Tunney has appeared several times now on this programme and while I can agree the wide-ranging references may at times be confusing, as someone academically-trained, I cannot believe they are uninformed remarks made without solid scholarly knowledge, whether or not you agree with his premises.
@@amandayorke481 Hi. Thanks for your reply to my comment. Out of curiosity, I looked up one of the former appearances by Mr. Tunney you mentioned. After eighteen minutes he and Dr. Mishlove had mentioned, among other things, Vedanta, Ramakrishna, Huston Smith, Aldous Huxley ("The Perennial Philosophy"), spiritual evolution (though not Teilhard specifically), martial arts, Taoism, calligraphy, Quakerism, Sufism, Jewish Mysticism (Hasidism? Kabbalah?), folklore, nature mysticism, Evans-Wentz, Ram Dass (surprised no reference to Alan Watts, but maybe later), the Higher Force, and so on, all while taking the obligatory swipe at traditional Catholic intolerance, mentioning the trope that mystics of all traditions have more in common with each other than they do with the "orthodox believers" in those traditions, favoring growing out of one tradition to another, etc., etc., culminating with the observation that the True Self is in fact Pure Consciousness. After that much I simply couldn't go on. I've been watching this sort of thing for years, actually decades. The basic script never really changes. It was dreary a long time ago--actually they were doing the same sort of syncretistic moves in ancient Rome as it began to decay. Mr. Tunney, by no means an old man, seems to have had time to earn law degrees, experiment with martial arts, read about fifty-seven varieties of mysticism and spiritual tradition, write novels, give talks, do interviews, and on and on and on. Sort of puts poor Bankei, or Buddha himself, to shame. The people who aren't New Age, the people in the authentic Monist traditions (and you're right I'm a Monotheist myself) spend their entire lives in immensely difficult study, undergo extraordinary trials and sacrifices, sometimes--like Bankei--break their health, for the truth of enlightenment. But not these people. Not at all. You really want to talk about dangerous cults? Look and see.
Hi again Nightspore! Thank you for dignifying my remarks with a reply. I should mention I spent half my adult life at university and have a PhD in Chinese Studies focussing on a translation of the Treatise on Painting by a 17th C Chinese Daoist artist and art theoretician Shitao shanren working in what I can only describe as a syncretistic tradition of Buddhist and Daoist thought. So I'm no stranger to the rigours of academic research. My impression of Tunney is that he has a brilliant, if magpie-like, mind and is able to retain a great deal of information. He does not advocate following dangerous cults. Also I think times of world crisis human rights are indeed in danger of being overlooked. After the Great Depression the world initially greatly admired Hitler for his ability to pull his nation out of the doldrums and the plight of the Jews etc. seemed only an incidental issue. Seven million deaths later, how wrong we were...
MOTHER nature, not male+female (or yin-yang), sorry doesn't fly.