That 40 mil qb took us to our first playoff win in over a decade and carried us to victory that 13 mil rb has been injured and lost the same speed he’s not as explosive he dances too much in the backfield and barely averages any yards with only one home run play per game both have injury problems but saquon isn’t all that team has other needs n paying him the most to be a below average back for three quarters just to rip off two big runs ain’t worth it
@@lildripnation3462also if you look up Singletary’s numbers he wasn’t that far off from Barkley. I hope we shut these haters down this season and perform better than expected without Barkley. I’m tired of these analysts making Scheon look bad cuz he wants to put more focus on other positions rather than one who isn’t making a difference for us
@@RedBeardRey exactly I’m rooting for my boy Devin because all that talk about saquon being our whole offense when even Tommy devito took us to victory is crazy can’t remember the last time Saquon had a game where I was like wow that’s deserves huge money and then tryna make Joe look bad is just weird he’s made all the right moves besides Evan Neal but he’s somehow a bad gm is just a weird narrative but it’s New York no one messes with us for some reason we’re always hated so hopefully the defense plays lights out and the offense with Malik becomes top 10
@@cremdeniro237 After winning a playoff series yes. He had his literal best game ever. Lmao His line got wrecked week 1 when Thomas went out. He was doomed from the start. Any QB would’ve been. Saquon or another decent RB wouldn’t have changed anything.
As a former N,Y. Giant's fan I'm so disappointed in the ownership,G.M. on paying bumper Jones all the cash & letting Barkley go to their rivals ??? Somebody had their head up their ass on this one.🤣🤑🤣
The Giants have been a team building for the future. Going to the playoffs in 2022 was a mirage. As Joe Schoen says "you can't have a $40MM dollar QB hand off to a $12MM dollar running back. We're going to know this year if Daniel Jones can succeed or fail.
Mina’s comment at the end saying they’ll have to succeed through the air now if they want to be successful is the whole Point. That’s how they want to run their offense. And if Jones can’t do that, then they know they have to move on from him. But you’ll never find out if you run saquon into the ground like they’ve been doing.
EXACTLY!! Daboll wants to pass the ball, the plan was always to develop the qb and pass the ball, hence his not wanting to overpay. Had saquon accepted the first deal they offered, which was better akin to Phillys, we’d just be going into yet another season with a struggling offense that can neither protect the passer nor open holes for the runner and therefore fails to be productive at all. It’d have been the very definition of insanity, same formula but expecting different results…
Also everyone seems to forget that Scheon had offered Barkley a better contract two seasons ago and he turned it down. And if I’m not mistaken it was better than what he got at Philly. But he and his agent got greedy and still walked away with less money than they were hoping for. I was a big fan of Saquon till he turned down the Giants offer then got mad and went to Philly. He’s a scumbag
@@RedBeardRey Why stay with a team going nowhere? More guaranteed money, closer to home and will be competing for a chip every season of his deal. Leaving was a no brainer. I am still a Saquon fan and will be.
Saquan added nothing to the eagles offense that they didn't have with swift so please stop eagles overpaid and they know it just wanted to stick it to the Giants and Saquan knew all along he wanted out never wanted to retire as a Giant he's from phily anyway
Mina is 100% correct. That's what I've saying all along. They should have signed Saquon and franchised tagged Jones. That way you would have paid very little for Jones now (after what everyone saw last season) and still have Saquon. And this is why I also keep saying that that GM is gone after this year.
The Market for running backs is extremely low and no doubt Saquan still has a lot of gas in the tank but it’s risky resigning him with his injury history. RBs are wear and tear and after that 5th season there is generally a downward sloping trend. Barkley was offered the same that Philly offered as well.
@@evanvergare5214 the Giants offered a bigger contract in terms of total value but Philly guaranteed him $26M, The Giants weren’t trying to guarantee no more than $20M.. I’ll take more money to go to a significantly better situation( better QB, better O-line & teams can’t lock in on me because they gotta worry about Hurts, AJ, Smitty & Goedert).. don’t try & be slick like we don’t know that the GUARANTEED money is why he left.. players don’t care about the total contract they care about the guaranteed money & I guarantee the Giants weren’t offering what Philly did
So you’re telling me if you’re the GM and you have arguably the worst run blocking o line in the league; you’re going to pay a RB in his late 20s who’s been having more frequent injuries each year? These clowns just be saying anything
He was going to account for 2% against the cap😮 Let's put him at 4%! CHEAP ASS FRANCHISE, and the cap going up again next year, they could have paid him😂😂😂
How about improving the OLine and give the RB a good chance to show his value to the franchise? So the QB has the excuse of having a bad OLine and still get paid, but the RB got cut because of the same damn reason?
Saquon was offered 13 mil a year in 2022, but he wanted 16. What you saw in hard knocks was the Giants GM sticking to the number they wanted to give Saquon and Saquon turning it down. Instead of tagging Saquon again and going through that drama, Schoen decided to let Saquon have what he wants. Go to FA and see if you can get 16 mil. If you do...egg on my face and let us try to match whatever the highest offer you get is. Whats the big deal here guys? These analysts are idiots on this show.
It’s a big deal because he’s clearly the best player on the team. And it send the message to the rest of the locker room that you can do your best and they still gonna play with your money. Even if they paid saquon that still would be less than what they have paid jones.
@@chrismitchell7261 Regardless of DJ being the quarterback...would you agree that paying a QB is more important than paying an RB? If you say no then I have nothing further to say to you because that would be stupid so I assume you would agree that a QB is far more important to a teams success than an RB is. Beyond the QB for all other positions you can also agree that its a team sport. And you need to build a good team in order to win the goal of a championship. You cant build a team by overpaying positions that you do not intend to rely half of the offense on. They clearly dont want to run half the plays through the RB, its not their strategy, so really if you offer Saquon 16 mil to come back...you are just doing it based on your feelings for the man which is fkin stupid. Was he the best player on the offense? Yeah. How many championships did he bring to NY on his back? None. Move on bro.
@@chrismitchell7261 And beyond everything I just said to you, they still asked him to give them a chance to match whatever his highest offer is on the market. I don't see why that's a problem. He still only ended up getting an avg of 12 mil per year from the Eagles (not 16) which is LESS than the Giants offered him. Go ahead and chime in about the incentives because I have yet to find details on what those even are.
@@chrismitchell7261hes not the best player on the team, Dexter Lawrence is 1000x better at his job than Saquon is.. and Andrew Thomas is easily a better player too. Saquon is the most overrated player in the NFL. A RB who never breaks tackles...
People broke the contract down for Barkley 2 years ago but you mainstream folks kept telling us "market value" like play didn't actually matter. At least start giving us our proper appreciation instead of talking like the idea came out of nowhere and not just from "nobodies". 😅 Appreciate you guys btw.
people keep saying “ they paid DJ and not Barkley” as if schoen didn’t offer Barkley basically the same contract he got with Philly. Yes, Philly gave more guaranteed money but the giants DID offer him. So the giants didn’t “lose” saquon…he left on his own. Why ? Because he didn’t want to be there.
People also fail to understand he could’ve locked in pretty much the same contract 1.5 years in advance. Giving him wiggle room for a third at 29 and not 30 years old. Could’ve also used the bonus earlier and made investments or something with it.
😂 Riiiggghhht. With that “same” contract Saquon had to do x,y,z to get that money. Which was damn near impossible with that offense. Stop it, guaranteed is priority.
Honestly poor takes from each person. 2% of the cap but 26 gets injured every year bc we have no offense line. Take feelings out of it you win in the trenches and the 4 backs we have will 100% produce more than 26 did not to mention we’ll be able to pass the ball this year. Joe is not on the hot seat by any means we could go 4-14 and he’ll still be our GM he’s hit on every single pick except Evan Neal, and you can clearly see the giants are a building team not this year but next year we could start being a playoff team especially after we cut DJ next year to get off half his salary. It feels like they didn’t do any research just come on air and spit nonsense
They should have tagged Daniel Jones and given Saquon Barkley the same deal he just signed with the Eagles. That was the original sin. Saquon Barkley was the GIANTS BEST PLAYER. A DIVISIONAL ARCH RIVAL paid him more than they have EVER paid a RB confirms that indeed he was.
@@cremdeniro237 you can def afford to overpay a QB. Eagles overpaid an injury prone wentz and won a title despite that. You overpay a RB they drain much more cash that could be spread across your line. Not to mention a lack of a real WR1 till Nabers didn’t help.
It seem like ESPN point of view is to make the Giants look bad. Schoen said in an earlier episode that he didn't know what the market was for RB. he didn't want to insult Barkley. I don't see how him testing Free agency is so bad to find out what his true value was. I hate that he left the Giants but it sound like he was done with the team no matter what on that phone call. He is a great talent that never really got to be as great as the Giants draft him to be. Gettleman said he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think the best thing of both was to split ways. Saquon has an injury history also. I don't see the Giants winning with Barkley as the main focus of the offense. The Eagles is an overall better team roster wise.
Having Saquon hasn’t made this a good team, over paying for a running back is like having a super nice car living in a shack. Let’s get our house together first, there are great rbs coming out every year
This guy tried to compare a dominant Receiver to a dominant RB, they aren’t the same in this league when one position is hitting 2.5x contracts compared to the other.
Mina is right. Giants were stupid for giving Jones 40mil and tagging saquon. Bad mgmt = bad teams. When saquon rushes for 2k yds and the giants have 4 wins nxt season, i hope they fire Joe schoen
Having a back like Barkley is having a final piece to a team that is close to winning a SB! The Giants are no where close to being in a SB they have so many other needs!
The Giants first mistake was drafting Saquon 2nd overall, when they should've drafted a QB. The Giants second issue was at the time their front office, and coaching staff were in turmoil. You can say what you want about how things went down this past off season, but last year coming off the 2022 playoff season, they were stuck with 2 free agents. Saquon, and Daniel Jones. The Giants initially wanted to sign SB, and tag DJ, but SB reject their offer, he felt he was worth more money. From the Giants stand point, SB although a good RB, had only had 3 seasons of his career w/o injury, and he's now 27 y/o. The Giants were also stuck with cap issues left over from the previous GM. The Giants, made DJ a offer that was 2 million /yr over his tag price, and a contract with an out after 2 years. Mind you, DJ was a playoff winning QB at the time. When all is said and done DJ got a very pedestrian contract for a QB. Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence have essentially the same QB stats, but DJ's contract is 10 million less. After last years uproar with being tagged, and Saquon basically realizing he wasn't gonna get a McCafferty type contract he was upset. I believe that unless the Giants made him some crazy offer to stay SB was going to leave no matter what was said. I wish SB didn't go to the Eagles, but i believe that Joe Shoen did what was in the best interest of the Giants. The contrat that SB took in Philly, wasn't very much more than what the Giants offered, so i believe that SB was leaving NY no matter what.
@@adamwallace8082 this right here. You can tell who hasn’t been paying attention to the Giants because to us who have none of this is a surprise. Saquon wants more money. He never cared to stay a Giant. He was all talk but just wanted to see dollar signs. I’m not gonna sit here and pray for injuries but I do hope the Eagles offense struggles with him. After all the headaches he gave us
You really going to act like the sticking point wasn't what those contracts were? literally the show calls saquon the giants best player, That's not how you treat your best player.
Giants fan here, of course they do, that doesn't fit their narrative. Literally Saqoun was offered deals during the 2022 season before the off season and he kept rejecting the deals. People acting like Saqoun didn't only have 2 good seasons during his career. Bro definitely hasn't been that consistent with health and production as people make it out to be.
@@demonslayer-ds9vo He was a 2x pro bowler as a Giant in an offense were literally everybody focused on stopping him.. Teams were literally daring the Giants to throw the ball which is crazy given that we’re in a pass happy era of football
Everyone acts like we won with saquan we had 1 winning season with him! That’s why the old gm is gone. Let Joe cook I like to try new meat especially if it’s old and can’t produce wins let’s try something new to get Wins
Giants made the right call. Drafting Saquon was the first mistake. Should have went for a QB with that pick. Nevertheless they shouldn't overpay for an injury prone RB when they already have an overpaid QB and no O-line. Build an oline, let Saquon test FA and i think deep down they know DJ is not that guy. The only issue is Mara who loves DJ.
As a giant fan I hope saquan does terrible. So sick of hearing this garbage. He is on the decline. Enough with this. He did not deserve more. Giants got it right. Wrong on jones obviously but this part they got right. Should have let them both walk.
Schoen botched this up, plain and simple. Saquon should've been a priority with the Giants, instead he was treated as "just another running back." They weren't that far apart, but Schoen was so worried about upsetting the "market for running backs" nonsense, instead of worrying about doing what was best for the Giants and their pathetic offense. Sorry, John Mara should've gotten more involved in this.
What is it about sports media that they don't understand that building a football is a business! The Giants has so many holes to fill with not much cap room! What winning team starts and prioritize getting RB before fixing an O line, DE, WR, and a backfield? Barkley is a great player, but no matter how good Barkley is he will not take the Giants to the promise land. I do think Shane would had like to have signed him unfortunately Giant are in need of a lot of quality players and could not overpay for a player regardless how good he is and was not always available due to injuries. Shane was looking for a more affordable contract and Barkley wanted a lot more than the market price, I get it, this might be Barkley last shot at getting a big contract, but the Giants could not prioritize the RB position no matter how good he is. I don't fault either side it was just time for both party to move on!
They don’t want to build it up from the running back position they want to build it from the qb position that’s y they commented that they didn’t pay DJ 40 mil to hand off to a 12 mil dollar player
The cowboys won superbowls with TONY DORSET and EMMIT SMITH…. THE Giants won super bowls with average running backs not breaking any records…..so running backs are good but not essential… ask KC and NEW ENGLAND………so stop crying about SAQUAN……😪😪😪😪
It seems from the first moment the NY Giants approved Saquon back in November 2022 all the way until the off season of 2024, almost everyone, (some fans and media) had sided with Saquon. Some are even saying that the Giants were foolish not to sign him and have chose Daniel Jones instead. This debate has come forward even more in light of the Hard Knock episodes. The truth is to sign Saquon to a long term deal would have been a mistake for the Giants. It's easy to say what a team should/shouldn't do from the comfort of your own home or a studio instead of physically being in the organization. This regime when they first took over had to basically clean up the mess left over by two previous regimes. If you observe this current regime, you will see they put money into positions they value most, the offensive line and defense with the extentions of Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence, the drafting of Kayvon Thibodeaux and bring in Bobby Okerekee. Yes Barkley did alot for the organization, but you have to at the end do what's best for the team moving forward. The truth is the Giants made a mistake in drafting Barkley in 2018 as he was a luxury they couldn't afford at the state they were in. To have resigned him, they would have double down on that.
Saquon isn't even a discussion the discussion is who in the blue hell thought giving Jones 40 million dollars was a good idea? That's the problem people ok you can pick up another back cool but who in the blue hell thought Jones deserved that much money?
The way he said Ed Berry's name, you know it's about to be bullshit coming out of Joe Schoen's mouth. But he redeemed himself with the Brian Burns Trade. A 2nd and a 5th for an All Pro LB is wild.
@@kevinstewart8054 bc you need a QB to win. They thought Jones was the guy after the nice 22 season & playoff win. They took a risk & it's basically a 2 yr deal that they can get out of after this season. SB teams don't have high priced RBs, nobody builds their offense on running the ball Giants know they have to evolve
@@kevinstewart8054 Did you miss the part where I said they can get out of the deal after next season. I think they will aquire a new QB for next yr too. What's not cute is the lack of reading comprehension some of you display 🤦
I just don’t understand what these media people don’t get. Barkley was not a difference maker for a team that needs a difference maker. He’s a difference maker for a team that is already good. Joe shoen did not draft Barkley. He does not believe in the value of rbs. As he shouldn’t. What Super Bowl teams do u know in the last 10 years that have been paying their rb over 10 mil a year? I’ll wait.
No one cares about snakeuon if he went to any other team not named the eagles or cowboys no giant fan would say anything about him this how rivalry’s in sports have always been
Because you guys never used logic and common sense by drafting offensive lineman and use free agency for veterans that can plug and play or start immediately. Saquon won you games with a terrible QB and terrible Oline now you think Daniel jones should throw without an elite running back that can block and catch out the backfield and has game breaking ability 😂😂😂 no wonder giants fans accept mediocrity if they think with your logic. And before you say he isn’t healthy who would push themselves through injury ( all NFL players still play injured ) with a team like the giants. No real direction no real vision could have tagged jones and signed saquon and made jones prove he can win you games.
@@minseconds6850name me how many games saquon has won us over the years tell me because I can let you know how many jones won us and was the sole reason for our first playoff win
Are you guys all insane? SB didn’t want to “Be a NYG for life”. Stop it. All the talking points here are so off base. What happens when SB breaks down? Are you going to retract all These terrible takes? A GM is supposed to make hard decisions. He offered Saquon a bunch of money last year and he turned it down. That’s why DJ got a basic contract. #madness
Why do these folks argue about these with not doing their research. The Giants offered Barkley a 14m deal in November of 2022. His agent thought he could get 16m-20m. 2nd. The Giants paid Dex, Andre Thomas, Jones, and Burns. They don't have an issue of not paying players. 3rd. If you watch preview of next episode, the Giants offered Barkley 25 guaranteed/12.5m per, he turned it down to go to Philly for 25g /13.5m. He can walk to Philly 4. Statistics show running back at age 27 take large dip in production. Then you fact or in Barkley's injury history. /12m
At this point it just baffles me that the self proclaimed “worldwide leader in sports” can’t get the facts straight. Stop with the Giants “chose” Jones over Barkley, they tried to sign Barkley MULTIPLE times throughout the 2022 season going back to the trade deadline. They offered him 13mil a year, they offered him 23mil guaranteed and he kept saying no. They WERE trying to sign him and tag Jones but he wouldn’t agree to anything the Giants offered him so they had to resort to plan b which was to sign Jones instead. The Giants didn’t choose Jones, Barkley didn’t let the Giants choose him. You can literally google it. This narrative to keep making Saquon look like the victim and some kind of saint is getting real old. Someone who truly wants to “be a Giant for life” would not go to the arch rival over a couple million guaranteed money; he never wanted to come back and going to the Eagles to stick it to them proves it. Stop with the BS.
That math is wrong. Barkley's APY as a cap hit would be 6%, not 2%. There's only 3 teams in the NFL above that, but two of those Saints/Kamara, Colts/Taylor have significantly less guaranteed money tied to the contracts as compared to Barkley. Kamara and Taylor will likely never see all theirs.
OK, we lost Saquon, but we significantly upgraded our defense. We’ll see. Let’s see if Philadelphia can beat the brakes off us with an improved defense that remains to be seen.
1. He will be playing behind a better OLine. 2. He will be playing on a better surface. 3. They said the same thing about Swift the year before, and he got 1k yards.
Most people are not knowledgable about how aful that giants oline was. We needed to address that issue for the last decade and we couldnt afford to pay a star rb all that money when we have other needs. I cant recall the last time a superbowl winner that their main offense was just purely a run game. Yes i agree paying dj that much was insane but i wouldnt pay saquon knowing his injury history and that rbs now a days dont last long
Why is it such a big fucking deal? The Giants sucked when he was on the roster and the Giants are gonna suck when he’s off the roster. Players leave teams all the time it’s part of the game.
I have said on UA-cam and other social media cites that the NFL salaries are way out of wack. QBs get paid too much and RBs not enough. The NFL is not as smart as they think they are. The Brock Purdy situation is a perfect example. One team in the entire league saw value in the kid from Iowa State, but he won a starting job on a team the has been to the super bowl the past 2 years. Hard Knocks showed the meticulous, painstaking analysis the Giants used to value Saquon, but the sad fact is that the Giants could not get the value above 12 million a year. I think that is wrong analysis, wrong thinking. If the Eagles have a good season this year, possibly get to a super bowl, the Giants will NEVER live that mistake down. How much is it worth to the team that wins the super bowl?
Saquan didn't want to be franchise tagged!!!! What are yall talking about!! The giants did the right thing for him. Now let's see on the next episode if Saquan circled back or not.
It wasn’t similar. Guaranteed money is the only important thing in an NFl deal. It was disrespectful. They even pulled the offer that year and refused to put it back in the table for months. We all saw it.
That was the original sin at all. The original sin was on Barkley. Giants offered 2 contracts their best one would've been more per year than Philly but 1 million less in guaranteed money. If he wanted to be a Giant he would've taken that. He clearly was done with the team. The team, Saquon and rational fans have all moved on.
Hey everybody! It’s pile onto the giants and shit on them time! Again! Because everyone loves an underdog, unless of course it’s the giants! There is literally ZERO positive representation in the media for this team and this team alone. I swear every other team gets treated better than the giants, it is absolutely maddening. Not only are we bad, but we’re treated like absolute dogshit by sports media, and everyone just loves to bully us. Fucking bullshit. Pick a new hobby guys, this one’s getting old.
I don't get the hate on this. Giants were openly working with Saquon to get what's best for him. They don't want to tag him because that's not what he wants. They worked out a deal after tagging last year. Normally the players don't get the call at all or it goes through the agent.
Giants management is the reason the giants are where they are. Paying a 4th string QB millions and then letting your best player walk is poor leadership! They did the same thing with Beckham. Granted, Beckham was a dick but he could play. You don't win games by trading your star players or letting them walk!
Signing jones and franchising Barkely are separate issues. Giants are not in a position to win a superbowl. That being the case, paying top dollar for an aging RB just doesn’t make sense. Taking a shot on a young mobile qb who won a playoff game with a subpar roster is not a bad plan. It didn’t work out granted, but the plan made sense. Also at this point after you sign a QB to see if he will be the guy you have to give him every shot to prove himself. Only way to do that is to give him a decent o line and a receiving weapon and see if he can run the offense. Not hand the ball off to an elite RB and be no closer to seeing what Jones really is.
What makes the whole situation worse is that the eagles got him ifffffff they win a Superbowl especially this year and Barkley has a huge part NY will be sick
@@yepdontcarebud My point exactly. Eli is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion. Should easily get into the HOF. But yet, the Giants allowed him to be benched. For Daniel Jones😂. Basically forced him into retirement. Giants will forever be a trash organization for how they treated Eli. So this is no surprise how they treated Saquon.
Nothing like showing percentage of a teams offense of a team that hasn't seen much success. For all the talk of Saquon, what difference has he made for the Giants? 6 win seasons? Bye Saquon. And bye soon to be DJ
"Give us your word" is the craziest thing I've heard all year.
"Promise you'll give us one more chance to cut you a raw deal."
“Please give us that respect, eventhough we’ve continued to disrespect you”
Awww poor Snakequan 🐍
@@bigbluedosia1975lmaoo you're so butthurt. Your team is not only dumb but racist and you mad at barkley?
Joe Biden just called Zelensky "Putin." No it's not
It would be reminiscent of AJ Brown beating the brakes off of the Titans.
SHE DID IT! Molly is gangsta yo! She said what every football fan was thinking..beat the brakes...
lol that thought process has been out for long time, it’s not revolutionary
She’s a stuck up lil miss think I’m a princess an that my say matters, she’s not that important nor is she a good host she’s annoying af!
Giants fans: give a below average QB 40 mil
Also Giants fans: we can’t afford 13 per for a all pro RB
That 40 mil qb took us to our first playoff win in over a decade and carried us to victory that 13 mil rb has been injured and lost the same speed he’s not as explosive he dances too much in the backfield and barely averages any yards with only one home run play per game both have injury problems but saquon isn’t all that team has other needs n paying him the most to be a below average back for three quarters just to rip off two big runs ain’t worth it
@@lildripnation3462also if you look up Singletary’s numbers he wasn’t that far off from Barkley. I hope we shut these haters down this season and perform better than expected without Barkley. I’m tired of these analysts making Scheon look bad cuz he wants to put more focus on other positions rather than one who isn’t making a difference for us
Neither are worth it. Saquon is worth about 5mil, Jones is worth about $3.50
@@RedBeardRey exactly I’m rooting for my boy Devin because all that talk about saquon being our whole offense when even Tommy devito took us to victory is crazy can’t remember the last time Saquon had a game where I was like wow that’s deserves huge money and then tryna make Joe look bad is just weird he’s made all the right moves besides Evan Neal but he’s somehow a bad gm is just a weird narrative but it’s New York no one messes with us for some reason we’re always hated so hopefully the defense plays lights out and the offense with Malik becomes top 10
@lildripnation3462 below average back ? Bro. You're justifying paying a shitty, also oft injured QB by trying to downplay Saquon...
There is a reason why some franchises are where they are. That clip just showed it
Losing franchises overpay a RB
Losing franchises overpay QB’s.
@@jfinity_362oh so danny pennies getting 40 mill was the right move 😂😂😂😂
@@Mik3Mcflyy Nah the eagles overpaid Wentz and still won a title. Overpaid RBs aren’t even helpful in getting assets from a trade.
@@cremdeniro237 After winning a playoff series yes. He had his literal best game ever. Lmao His line got wrecked week 1 when Thomas went out. He was doomed from the start. Any QB would’ve been. Saquon or another decent RB wouldn’t have changed anything.
When shoen joked about offering sayquan a ton of money he didn’t want last year , that seemed to be a real
Statement that shoen was mad about.
As a former N,Y. Giant's fan I'm so disappointed in the ownership,G.M. on paying bumper Jones all the cash & letting Barkley go to their rivals ??? Somebody had their head up their ass on this one.🤣🤑🤣
Lol🙌😆🤣well said👏👍👌🙌
The Giants have been a team building for the future. Going to the playoffs in 2022 was a mirage. As Joe Schoen says "you can't have a $40MM dollar QB hand off to a $12MM dollar running back. We're going to know this year if Daniel Jones can succeed or fail.
He’ll fail stop being hopeful
The giants have been building for about 7 years now
@5:34
Molly talkin bout.. "the Eagles beating the brakes off the Giants". Haven't they been doing that when Saquon was on the Giants roster? 🤣🤣🤣
Now it's just gone be worse. Belt to AS.... ! 😂
Mina’s comment at the end saying they’ll have to succeed through the air now if they want to be successful is the whole
Point. That’s how they want to run their offense. And if Jones can’t do that, then they know they have to move on from him. But you’ll never find out if you run saquon into the ground like they’ve been doing.
EXACTLY!! Daboll wants to pass the ball, the plan was always to develop the qb and pass the ball, hence his not wanting to overpay. Had saquon accepted the first deal they offered, which was better akin to Phillys, we’d just be going into yet another season with a struggling offense that can neither protect the passer nor open holes for the runner and therefore fails to be productive at all. It’d have been the very definition of insanity, same formula but expecting different results…
If the Giants signed him the same media would be blowing up on them for overpaying a RB.
Also everyone seems to forget that Scheon had offered Barkley a better contract two seasons ago and he turned it down. And if I’m not mistaken it was better than what he got at Philly. But he and his agent got greedy and still walked away with less money than they were hoping for. I was a big fan of Saquon till he turned down the Giants offer then got mad and went to Philly. He’s a scumbag
@@RedBeardRey Why stay with a team going nowhere? More guaranteed money, closer to home and will be competing for a chip every season of his deal. Leaving was a no brainer. I am still a Saquon fan and will be.
@@SimeonToko that all goes out the window when he said he wanted to retire a Giant. Thats all irrelevant at this point.
@@RedBeardRey I'm sure he did want to retire as a Giant at the price he wanted.
If they didn't pay Daniel Jones so much no they wouldn't they would say it was a building piece Had they drafted a qb when they couldve
12m is 2% of the cap? So the cap is 600m?!😂😂😂 if you can't do Maths, don't use it in your reasoning
Saquan went to the perfect place to torment the Giants HOPEFULLY twice a year every year for the remainder of his career.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
If he can stay healthy.
Lol legit a concern, too. I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t see him this year, I also wouldn’t be surprised if he tore the league a new one lol.
Eagles will flop again this year like last year saquan won't finish the season
Saquan added nothing to the eagles offense that they didn't have with swift so please stop eagles overpaid and they know it just wanted to stick it to the Giants and Saquan knew all along he wanted out never wanted to retire as a Giant he's from phily anyway
Nope. The original sin was drafting a rb in the 1st round when you were so far from contending. Get with the times
Mina is 100% correct. That's what I've saying all along. They should have signed Saquon and franchised tagged Jones. That way you would have paid very little for Jones now (after what everyone saw last season) and still have Saquon. And this is why I also keep saying that that GM is gone after this year.
What league would you overpay a RB over a QB lol
The Market for running backs is extremely low and no doubt Saquan still has a lot of gas in the tank but it’s risky resigning him with his injury history. RBs are wear and tear and after that 5th season there is generally a downward sloping trend. Barkley was offered the same that Philly offered as well.
That requires common sense from a billionaire
@@jfinity_362oh you dumb danny pennies is not worth 40 mill they could have traded danny for picks than went back into the draft for better
@@evanvergare5214 the Giants offered a bigger contract in terms of total value but Philly guaranteed him $26M, The Giants weren’t trying to guarantee no more than $20M.. I’ll take more money to go to a significantly better situation( better QB, better O-line & teams can’t lock in on me because they gotta worry about Hurts, AJ, Smitty & Goedert).. don’t try & be slick like we don’t know that the GUARANTEED money is why he left.. players don’t care about the total contract they care about the guaranteed money & I guarantee the Giants weren’t offering what Philly did
So you’re telling me if you’re the GM and you have arguably the worst run blocking o line in the league; you’re going to pay a RB in his late 20s who’s been having more frequent injuries each year? These clowns just be saying anything
Thank you I swear people just talk out of feelings
He was going to account for 2% against the cap😮 Let's put him at 4%! CHEAP ASS FRANCHISE, and the cap going up again next year, they could have paid him😂😂😂
Because paying Daniel Jones 40 mil a year after a 22 TD season made so much more sense? There’s a thing called improving the o line
How about improving the OLine and give the RB a good chance to show his value to the franchise? So the QB has the excuse of having a bad OLine and still get paid, but the RB got cut because of the same damn reason?
@@will35719711 so you’re paying an aging frequently injured RB with no o line help just to pay him???? Make it make sense
Saquon was offered 13 mil a year in 2022, but he wanted 16. What you saw in hard knocks was the Giants GM sticking to the number they wanted to give Saquon and Saquon turning it down. Instead of tagging Saquon again and going through that drama, Schoen decided to let Saquon have what he wants. Go to FA and see if you can get 16 mil. If you do...egg on my face and let us try to match whatever the highest offer you get is. Whats the big deal here guys? These analysts are idiots on this show.
It’s a big deal because he’s clearly the best player on the team. And it send the message to the rest of the locker room that you can do your best and they still gonna play with your money. Even if they paid saquon that still would be less than what they have paid jones.
@@chrismitchell7261 Regardless of DJ being the quarterback...would you agree that paying a QB is more important than paying an RB? If you say no then I have nothing further to say to you because that would be stupid so I assume you would agree that a QB is far more important to a teams success than an RB is. Beyond the QB for all other positions you can also agree that its a team sport. And you need to build a good team in order to win the goal of a championship. You cant build a team by overpaying positions that you do not intend to rely half of the offense on. They clearly dont want to run half the plays through the RB, its not their strategy, so really if you offer Saquon 16 mil to come back...you are just doing it based on your feelings for the man which is fkin stupid. Was he the best player on the offense? Yeah. How many championships did he bring to NY on his back? None. Move on bro.
@@chrismitchell7261 And beyond everything I just said to you, they still asked him to give them a chance to match whatever his highest offer is on the market. I don't see why that's a problem. He still only ended up getting an avg of 12 mil per year from the Eagles (not 16) which is LESS than the Giants offered him. Go ahead and chime in about the incentives because I have yet to find details on what those even are.
Exactly people don’t follow us giants and tend to make up a narrative it’s weird
@@chrismitchell7261hes not the best player on the team, Dexter Lawrence is 1000x better at his job than Saquon is.. and Andrew Thomas is easily a better player too.
Saquon is the most overrated player in the NFL. A RB who never breaks tackles...
People broke the contract down for Barkley 2 years ago but you mainstream folks kept telling us "market value" like play didn't actually matter.
At least start giving us our proper appreciation instead of talking like the idea came out of nowhere and not just from "nobodies". 😅
Appreciate you guys btw.
people keep saying “ they paid DJ and not Barkley” as if schoen didn’t offer Barkley basically the same contract he got with Philly. Yes, Philly gave more guaranteed money but the giants DID offer him. So the giants didn’t “lose” saquon…he left on his own. Why ? Because he didn’t want to be there.
Guarantees is the only thing that matters in contracts
People don't seem to understand what guaranteed money is lmao.
People also fail to understand he could’ve locked in pretty much the same contract 1.5 years in advance. Giving him wiggle room for a third at 29 and not 30 years old. Could’ve also used the bonus earlier and made investments or something with it.
😂 Riiiggghhht. With that “same” contract Saquon had to do x,y,z to get that money. Which was damn near impossible with that offense. Stop it, guaranteed is priority.
@@EastCoastPhuthey offered him 25 guaranteed... 1m less
The GM should loose his Job after that vidio😂😂😂
Big facts yo💯😤👏💯that was awful
Honestly poor takes from each person. 2% of the cap but 26 gets injured every year bc we have no offense line. Take feelings out of it you win in the trenches and the 4 backs we have will 100% produce more than 26 did not to mention we’ll be able to pass the ball this year. Joe is not on the hot seat by any means we could go 4-14 and he’ll still be our GM he’s hit on every single pick except Evan Neal, and you can clearly see the giants are a building team not this year but next year we could start being a playoff team especially after we cut DJ next year to get off half his salary. It feels like they didn’t do any research just come on air and spit nonsense
They should have tagged Daniel Jones and given Saquon Barkley the same deal he just signed with the Eagles.
That was the original sin. Saquon Barkley was the GIANTS BEST PLAYER. A DIVISIONAL ARCH RIVAL paid him more than they have EVER paid a RB confirms that indeed he was.
You don’t overpay a RB
They should have found a 🤡 to trade for danny paying him was just stupid nobody else would have paid danny pennies 40 mill
@@jfinity_362you also don't over pay a trash qb in danny pennies
@@cremdeniro237 after the playoffs win plenty were interested in signing him. Don’t change history
@@cremdeniro237 you can def afford to overpay a QB. Eagles overpaid an injury prone wentz and won a title despite that. You overpay a RB they drain much more cash that could be spread across your line. Not to mention a lack of a real WR1 till Nabers didn’t help.
I have never seen ESPN do this deep of a dive into hard knocks.
NY media for a NY team
Probably got a deal with HBO to report on show. ESPN needs all the help it can get.
It seem like ESPN point of view is to make the Giants look bad. Schoen said in an earlier episode that he didn't know what the market was for RB. he didn't want to insult Barkley. I don't see how him testing Free agency is so bad to find out what his true value was. I hate that he left the Giants but it sound like he was done with the team no matter what on that phone call. He is a great talent that never really got to be as great as the Giants draft him to be. Gettleman said he would be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think the best thing of both was to split ways. Saquon has an injury history also. I don't see the Giants winning with Barkley as the main focus of the offense. The Eagles is an overall better team roster wise.
Giants need no help looking bad, they're a clown show for years.
I blame ownership for the Jones contract tbh. Mara's have had a hard on for Jones since he was drafted
And Gms wonder why players move how they move when it’s contract time. “Give us your word” and not pay the best player on your team is wild.
He's not even the 3rd best player
Having Saquon hasn’t made this a good team, over paying for a running back is like having a super nice car living in a shack. Let’s get our house together first, there are great rbs coming out every year
This guy tried to compare a dominant Receiver to a dominant RB, they aren’t the same in this league when one position is hitting 2.5x contracts compared to the other.
I couldn’t disagree more with Molly. This is the point of hard knocks.
Mina is right. Giants were stupid for giving Jones 40mil and tagging saquon. Bad mgmt = bad teams. When saquon rushes for 2k yds and the giants have 4 wins nxt season, i hope they fire Joe schoen
Having a back like Barkley is having a final piece to a team that is close to winning a SB! The Giants are no where close to being in a SB they have so many other needs!
The Giants first mistake was drafting Saquon 2nd overall, when they should've drafted a QB. The Giants second issue was at the time their front office, and coaching staff were in turmoil. You can say what you want about how things went down this past off season, but last year coming off the 2022 playoff season, they were stuck with 2 free agents. Saquon, and Daniel Jones. The Giants initially wanted to sign SB, and tag DJ, but SB reject their offer, he felt he was worth more money. From the Giants stand point, SB although a good RB, had only had 3 seasons of his career w/o injury, and he's now 27 y/o. The Giants were also stuck with cap issues left over from the previous GM. The Giants, made DJ a offer that was 2 million /yr over his tag price, and a contract with an out after 2 years. Mind you, DJ was a playoff winning QB at the time. When all is said and done DJ got a very pedestrian contract for a QB. Daniel Jones and Trevor Lawrence have essentially the same QB stats, but DJ's contract is 10 million less. After last years uproar with being tagged, and Saquon basically realizing he wasn't gonna get a McCafferty type contract he was upset. I believe that unless the Giants made him some crazy offer to stay SB was going to leave no matter what was said. I wish SB didn't go to the Eagles, but i believe that Joe Shoen did what was in the best interest of the Giants. The contrat that SB took in Philly, wasn't very much more than what the Giants offered, so i believe that SB was leaving NY no matter what.
@@adamwallace8082 this right here. You can tell who hasn’t been paying attention to the Giants because to us who have none of this is a surprise. Saquon wants more money. He never cared to stay a Giant. He was all talk but just wanted to see dollar signs. I’m not gonna sit here and pray for injuries but I do hope the Eagles offense struggles with him. After all the headaches he gave us
They forgot to mention how the Giants already offered him 2 contracts
You really going to act like the sticking point wasn't what those contracts were? literally the show calls saquon the giants best player, That's not how you treat your best player.
2 shitty fuckkng contracts. You take care of your franchise player. I hope dabol and gm get fired
Giants fan here, of course they do, that doesn't fit their narrative. Literally Saqoun was offered deals during the 2022 season before the off season and he kept rejecting the deals. People acting like Saqoun didn't only have 2 good seasons during his career. Bro definitely hasn't been that consistent with health and production as people make it out to be.
@@demonslayer-ds9vo He went over 1,000 yards 3 times behind that horrible o line.
@@demonslayer-ds9vo He was a 2x pro bowler as a Giant in an offense were literally everybody focused on stopping him.. Teams were literally daring the Giants to throw the ball which is crazy given that we’re in a pass happy era of football
Everyone acts like we won with saquan we had 1 winning season with him! That’s why the old gm is gone. Let Joe cook I like to try new meat especially if it’s old and can’t produce wins let’s try something new to get Wins
Giants made the right call. Drafting Saquon was the first mistake. Should have went for a QB with that pick. Nevertheless they shouldn't overpay for an injury prone RB when they already have an overpaid QB and no O-line. Build an oline, let Saquon test FA and i think deep down they know DJ is not that guy. The only issue is Mara who loves DJ.
As a giant fan I hope saquan does terrible. So sick of hearing this garbage. He is on the decline. Enough with this. He did not deserve more. Giants got it right. Wrong on jones obviously but this part they got right. Should have let them both walk.
*This proves Teams Do Not Have Loyalty to their Players*
As a Giants fan I die little bit inside seeing and hearing this. 🤢
Schoen botched this up, plain and simple. Saquon should've been a priority with the Giants, instead he was treated as "just another running back." They weren't that far apart, but Schoen was so worried about upsetting the "market for running backs" nonsense, instead of worrying about doing what was best for the Giants and their pathetic offense. Sorry, John Mara should've gotten more involved in this.
Offense was pathetic with him he’s just another rb
What is it about sports media that they don't understand that building a football is a business! The Giants has so many holes to fill with not much cap room! What winning team starts and prioritize getting RB before fixing an O line, DE, WR, and a backfield? Barkley is a great player, but no matter how good Barkley is he will not take the Giants to the promise land. I do think Shane would had like to have signed him unfortunately Giant are in need of a lot of quality players and could not overpay for a player regardless how good he is and was not always available due to injuries. Shane was looking for a more affordable contract and Barkley wanted a lot more than the market price, I get it, this might be Barkley last shot at getting a big contract, but the Giants could not prioritize the RB position no matter how good he is. I don't fault either side it was just time for both party to move on!
He is played one whole season in his career what do you people talking about
They don’t want to build it up from the running back position they want to build it from the qb position that’s y they commented that they didn’t pay DJ 40 mil to hand off to a 12 mil dollar player
Mina nailed it. Best take on this mess if your a Giant's fanl
Just bc you can crunch numbers don't mean you know how to read the vibes & network with others🤦🏾♂️
The cowboys won superbowls with TONY DORSET and EMMIT SMITH…. THE Giants won super bowls with average running backs not breaking any records…..so running backs are good but not essential… ask KC and NEW ENGLAND………so stop crying about SAQUAN……😪😪😪😪
i think that she's right.... she changed my perspective on this...
Shows why these people report news and don't make news
Philly gonna beat more than just the brakes.! They gonna beat the rotors and pads….
It seems from the first moment the NY Giants approved Saquon back in November 2022 all the way until the off season of 2024, almost everyone, (some fans and media) had sided with Saquon. Some are even saying that the Giants were foolish not to sign him and have chose Daniel Jones instead. This debate has come forward even more in light of the Hard Knock episodes. The truth is to sign Saquon to a long term deal would have been a mistake for the Giants. It's easy to say what a team should/shouldn't do from the comfort of your own home or a studio instead of physically being in the organization. This regime when they first took over had to basically clean up the mess left over by two previous regimes. If you observe this current regime, you will see they put money into positions they value most, the offensive line and defense with the extentions of Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence, the drafting of Kayvon Thibodeaux and bring in Bobby Okerekee. Yes Barkley did alot for the organization, but you have to at the end do what's best for the team moving forward. The truth is the Giants made a mistake in drafting Barkley in 2018 as he was a luxury they couldn't afford at the state they were in. To have resigned him, they would have double down on that.
Saquan turned that deal down too stop spinning the narrative and beside the Giant's needed more help than Saquan obviously
Saquon isn't even a discussion the discussion is who in the blue hell thought giving Jones 40 million dollars was a good idea? That's the problem people ok you can pick up another back cool but who in the blue hell thought Jones deserved that much money?
We didn't win with him. Should have traded down in that draft. And Molly should quit. Annoying
The way he said Ed Berry's name, you know it's about to be bullshit coming out of Joe Schoen's mouth. But he redeemed himself with the Brian Burns Trade. A 2nd and a 5th for an All Pro LB is wild.
How hard is it for you to understand Saquon was never Schoens guy. He has no loyalty to him. He never drafted him, he inherited him.
So by that same logic, he shouldn’t have paid Jones either. He didn’t draft him either.
@@kevinstewart8054 bc you need a QB to win. They thought Jones was the guy after the nice 22 season & playoff win. They took a risk & it's basically a 2 yr deal that they can get out of after this season. SB teams don't have high priced RBs, nobody builds their offense on running the ball Giants know they have to evolve
@@kevinstewart8054 It’s a QB driven league. QB’s get paid the most, I’m sure you know that.
@@peteg2715cute story but jones isn’t the guy. The giants will be drafting one next year.
@@kevinstewart8054 Did you miss the part where I said they can get out of the deal after next season. I think they will aquire a new QB for next yr too. What's not cute is the lack of reading comprehension some of you display 🤦
I just don’t understand what these media people don’t get. Barkley was not a difference maker for a team that needs a difference maker. He’s a difference maker for a team that is already good. Joe shoen did not draft Barkley. He does not believe in the value of rbs. As he shouldn’t. What Super Bowl teams do u know in the last 10 years that have been paying their rb over 10 mil a year? I’ll wait.
No one cares about snakeuon if he went to any other team not named the eagles or cowboys no giant fan would say anything about him this how rivalry’s in sports have always been
People thinking Joe Schoen should be fired are utterly stupid and don’t know context😂 how far did we ever go with him in the team? Never overpay a RB
Because you guys never used logic and common sense by drafting offensive lineman and use free agency for veterans that can plug and play or start immediately. Saquon won you games with a terrible QB and terrible Oline now you think Daniel jones should throw without an elite running back that can block and catch out the backfield and has game breaking ability 😂😂😂 no wonder giants fans accept mediocrity if they think with your logic. And before you say he isn’t healthy who would push themselves through injury ( all NFL players still play injured ) with a team like the giants. No real direction no real vision could have tagged jones and signed saquon and made jones prove he can win you games.
@@minseconds6850name me how many games saquon has won us over the years tell me because I can let you know how many jones won us and was the sole reason for our first playoff win
Are you guys all insane? SB didn’t want to “Be a NYG for life”. Stop it. All the talking points here are so off base.
What happens when SB breaks down? Are you going to retract all
These terrible takes?
A GM is supposed to make hard decisions. He offered Saquon a bunch of money last year and he turned it down. That’s why DJ got a basic contract.
#madness
Why do these folks argue about these with not doing their research. The Giants offered Barkley a 14m deal in November of 2022. His agent thought he could get 16m-20m.
2nd. The Giants paid Dex, Andre Thomas, Jones, and Burns. They don't have an issue of not paying players.
3rd. If you watch preview of next episode, the Giants offered Barkley 25 guaranteed/12.5m per, he turned it down to go to Philly for 25g /13.5m. He can walk to Philly
4. Statistics show running back at age 27 take large dip in production. Then you fact or in Barkley's injury history.
/12m
At this point it just baffles me that the self proclaimed “worldwide leader in sports” can’t get the facts straight. Stop with the Giants “chose” Jones over Barkley, they tried to sign Barkley MULTIPLE times throughout the 2022 season going back to the trade deadline. They offered him 13mil a year, they offered him 23mil guaranteed and he kept saying no. They WERE trying to sign him and tag Jones but he wouldn’t agree to anything the Giants offered him so they had to resort to plan b which was to sign Jones instead. The Giants didn’t choose Jones, Barkley didn’t let the Giants choose him. You can literally google it. This narrative to keep making Saquon look like the victim and some kind of saint is getting real old. Someone who truly wants to “be a Giant for life” would not go to the arch rival over a couple million guaranteed money; he never wanted to come back and going to the Eagles to stick it to them proves it. Stop with the BS.
That math is wrong. Barkley's APY as a cap hit would be 6%, not 2%. There's only 3 teams in the NFL above that, but two of those Saints/Kamara, Colts/Taylor have significantly less guaranteed money tied to the contracts as compared to Barkley. Kamara and Taylor will likely never see all theirs.
OK, we lost Saquon, but we significantly upgraded our defense. We’ll see. Let’s see if Philadelphia can beat the brakes off us with an improved defense that remains to be seen.
Ngl our secondary is weak as of in
@@mose4474get to jalen hurts without Jason kelce now.
@@mose4474we don’t know that tae is on year two safety should be solid our front 6 is good our weak link might be kayvon
@@lildripnation3462 nah our CB2 is our weakest link if anything
Philly has gotten back to back pro bowl seasons out of Sanders and Swift. Saquon is going to eat behind that o line
lol context is key Joe Schoen tried to give him an extension the year that giants beat the Vikings and Saquon turned the offer down
Espn so predictable hate on giants It’s funny jones ain’t win he gets killed. But Barkley don’t win. He has nothing to do with losing 😂😂😂😂
You don’t overpay for a RB with injuries. The giants obviously know something that the media don’t know about Barkley.
You do overpay for a good RB..
@@pglanvilleFacts. Especially a generational running back.
But you overpay for a QB that’s below average
1. He will be playing behind a better OLine.
2. He will be playing on a better surface.
3. They said the same thing about Swift the year before, and he got 1k yards.
@@ClowderOf3 you are spot on with the better surface. that turf in met-life stadium is dogshit.
Bro watch the show also devin singletary is not bad and everyone wants to hate on dj we will see
Most people are not knowledgable about how aful that giants oline was. We needed to address that issue for the last decade and we couldnt afford to pay a star rb all that money when we have other needs. I cant recall the last time a superbowl winner that their main offense was just purely a run game. Yes i agree paying dj that much was insane but i wouldnt pay saquon knowing his injury history and that rbs now a days dont last long
Why is it such a big fucking deal? The Giants sucked when he was on the roster and the Giants are gonna suck when he’s off the roster. Players leave teams all the time it’s part of the game.
I have said on UA-cam and other social media cites that the NFL salaries are way out of wack. QBs get paid too much and RBs not enough. The NFL is not as smart as they think they are. The Brock Purdy situation is a perfect example. One team in the entire league saw value in the kid from Iowa State, but he won a starting job on a team the has been to the super bowl the past 2 years. Hard Knocks showed the meticulous, painstaking analysis the Giants used to value Saquon, but the sad fact is that the Giants could not get the value above 12 million a year. I think that is wrong analysis, wrong thinking. If the Eagles have a good season this year, possibly get to a super bowl, the Giants will NEVER live that mistake down. How much is it worth to the team that wins the super bowl?
Mara did not want to lose SB. If this fails, Joey is gone.
Mara is a literal 🥴 and is the one who forced the Daniel Jones contract.
@@yepdontcarebud He wanted both SB and DJ together. I hope the Najee Harris to the Giants rumors are true and get done.
The Giants will get it together eventually
Saquan didn't want to be franchise tagged!!!! What are yall talking about!! The giants did the right thing for him. Now let's see on the next episode if Saquan circled back or not.
The sin is drafting a QB from Duke, Daniel Jones!!!!! That's why I am rather be an atrocious Cowboy fan than be a Giant fan!!!!
Mina again thinks
46 mil < 13 mil franchise tag.
Biases & agenda make her another bad commentator.
Barkley got an offer the year before he was franchised. A very, very similar deal. Barkley said no. As a Giants fan I’m glad he stood his ground.
It wasn’t similar. Guaranteed money is the only important thing in an NFl deal. It was disrespectful. They even pulled the offer that year and refused to put it back in the table for months. We all saw it.
@@amberreed4443 not signing Barkley WAS NOT the gm’s blunder. Not picking up Jones 5the tear option was.
That was the original sin at all. The original sin was on Barkley. Giants offered 2 contracts their best one would've been more per year than Philly but 1 million less in guaranteed money. If he wanted to be a Giant he would've taken that. He clearly was done with the team. The team, Saquon and rational fans have all moved on.
Hey everybody! It’s pile onto the giants and shit on them time! Again! Because everyone loves an underdog, unless of course it’s the giants!
There is literally ZERO positive representation in the media for this team and this team alone.
I swear every other team gets treated better than the giants, it is absolutely maddening. Not only are we bad, but we’re treated like absolute dogshit by sports media, and everyone just loves to bully us. Fucking bullshit. Pick a new hobby guys, this one’s getting old.
I don't get the hate on this. Giants were openly working with Saquon to get what's best for him. They don't want to tag him because that's not what he wants. They worked out a deal after tagging last year.
Normally the players don't get the call at all or it goes through the agent.
No one could put context to those percentages? On a low scoring and moving team, and TDs gotten within 10 yards after others drove down the field.
Giants management is the reason the giants are where they are. Paying a 4th string QB millions and then letting your best player walk is poor leadership! They did the same thing with Beckham. Granted, Beckham was a dick but he could play. You don't win games by trading your star players or letting them walk!
Saquon wasn't even our 3rd best player last year.
Signing jones and franchising Barkely are separate issues. Giants are not in a position to win a superbowl. That being the case, paying top dollar for an aging RB just doesn’t make sense. Taking a shot on a young mobile qb who won a playoff game with a subpar roster is not a bad plan. It didn’t work out granted, but the plan made sense.
Also at this point after you sign a QB to see if he will be the guy you have to give him every shot to prove himself. Only way to do that is to give him a decent o line and a receiving weapon and see if he can run the offense. Not hand the ball off to an elite RB and be no closer to seeing what Jones really is.
First take sucksss without SAS...
Danny is the owner's boy. Thats where the problem starts. Let the people you hired run the team.
Waiting patiently for the flip of the take when the Giants start winning again
That’s why they’re where they are 🤷🏻
They won nothing with Saquon, so...
@@jmwaspexactly!!!
@@jmwaspyep, that makes no sense. 6 years of Saquon and a bottom 3 collective W-L record in that time.
There’s a reason they didn’t pay him. He wasn’t part of the plan and quite honestly wasn’t very good for them. Bye…bye soft Saquon.
What makes the whole situation worse is that the eagles got him ifffffff they win a Superbowl especially this year and Barkley has a huge part NY will be sick
Are we surprised? Look how the Giants allowed Eli Manning to go out.
Dont ever mention Saquon in the same breath as Eli. Their legacies arent even remotely close.
@@yepdontcarebud My point exactly. Eli is a 2 time Super Bowl Champion. Should easily get into the HOF. But yet, the Giants allowed him to be benched. For Daniel Jones😂. Basically forced him into retirement. Giants will forever be a trash organization for how they treated Eli. So this is no surprise how they treated Saquon.
The only mistake is tabbenbulm career. Barkley 27. They weren’t interested anymore they wanted to put the money into ol and burns. Hello fools on espn
yet the giants will still suck this year, go figure
Mara couldent sleep that night
They offered him two deals last season
You mean the one with bad guarantees that Schoen pulled off the table for months trying to be petty with Sawuon?
Saquon*
Giants lost their best offensive player & got nothing except helping their NFC East competition.
Brilliant!
Well we just drafted our best offensive player. Not a RB this time
Best player on offense is Andrew Thomas. Hands down.
this is absurd. How else do they think negotiations happen? absurd
Nothing like showing percentage of a teams offense of a team that hasn't seen much success. For all the talk of Saquon, what difference has he made for the Giants? 6 win seasons? Bye Saquon. And bye soon to be DJ
I can do all your jobs way better than you do. All of you are incompetent with the exception of mina
There’s literally 5 people at espn that are good at this. It’s hard to even name 5.
Great show Mike n hary
Lil" giants are going to struggle more this season, jobs will be on the line
Since when is 12 2% of 255?
Crappy math supports their opinion more.
I can listen to Mina all day ❤😩
It was not a mistake