There is a purist among us. Great to see someone own their role and shut out all the parse lords. Sure, you can blast the bosses hard enough that you get away with consecrate and seal of martyrdom. You can also wipe your ass with duct tape. If I’m tanking, I’d rather be heralded as the chonklord that makes the whole experience easy and smooth for the other roles.
Deep Prot is a REALLY fun build and one of our paladin's runs this spec in our guild with no issue However, I do feel like I wanna state that no pally tank specs atm are gonna make the last 2 bosses feel THAT much easier for your healers. Thermaplugg chunks in any tank spec right now. Unironically, the best tank for thermaplug is a hunter pet LOL Very cool info on the deep prot build, but don't knock the other tank specs, they're fun ;)
Ive run deep prot and ive run shockadin,and theres hardly any damage difference as far as intake goes,but deep prot is vastly lower dps. The no brainer is killing bosses faster,if you dont die either way. Therma chonks regardless.
Love this one dood! Been rocking deep prot on Chaos Bolt since BFD. Have had a blast being a Holy Knight . Toons name is Monotolio and I can say with certainty that all my healers love this spec. It is also super fun when paired with EZ throw dynamite and dragon breath chili. Slainte brother!
Aegis rune doesn't stack with redoubt in the prot tree, fyi. Can vouch for deep prot to tank gnomer - bit harder to get initial aggro on groups but great threat and mitigation on boss fights and on groups when you are settled. Been running with 90 parse shadow priest and never had an issue. Go shieldspike, sanctuary, holy shield and ret aura for full porcupine.
I hear a lot of people say how aegis doesn’t stack with redoubt, and yea it does lower its value a bit, but unless you have 100% uptime on redoubt, it’s still useful on hard hitting melee bosses like the last 2 in gnomer.
@@Bumblebeetunes so the rune can actually still procc even if you have redoubt? From the description on aegis it seems like skilling redoubt just nullifies aegis...
@@gulabjaboi the passive block value increase still shows 100% uptime in logs and 10% chance to increase blocking by 30% still exists outside of redoubt uptime. Aegis procd 5 times for me on my last thermaplugg kill.
@@Bumblebeetunes thx for info man 😊👌! Always nice to learn different options for rune/specc combos! That's not totally useless for porcupine spec prott tank! More blocks = more threat too.
Love the intro. My build has always centered around mitigation and threat, not damage. But people wig out over dps and logs. The parse meta is so wild, it’s like people just don’t understand the purpose of tanks. Zug zug I guess
I will say though active aoe threat through consecration is much more effective than what is essentially thorns damage from holy shield. If you have pumper mages and warlocks there’s no shot you’re holding threat will holy shield only.
Don’t give in to the peer pressure, friend. Tanks are not supposed to parse, we are supposed to mitigate damage and keep our companions alive. Consecration is effective for aoe threat to an extent, but as dps gets more gear, it becomes less effective and the damage reduction you lose by specing into it is not worth it, in my opinion. Holy shield + blessing on sanc + ret aura + shield spike + divine storm is plenty effective for maintaining AoE threat. I mainly solo tank Gnomer with this build and the only deaths come from full wipes. I appreciate your compliment! Thank you for watching!
i get the mitigation spec, i'd run it on my pally as well if the player base wasn't so sweaty ^^ you tell people not to aoe straight away and what do they do lol. i'd recommend using sheath though! amg the spell power is crazy, give's ya holy spells crazy dmg. not tested to see if it works with holy shield yet though! if it does, that'll be awesome! nice video bud
People who play a 20 year old boomer game to be sweaty make me laugh. I’d rather see their characters in the dirt than on the boss. That being said, aggro primarily matters on elite trash mobs and bosses. This build should have you holding aggro just fine on those unless someone has threat runes on or is taunting
It's really pointless for a Prot tank to be even top 7 in dmg out of a group. If you have GOOD DPS, it makes up for that so-called, "prot pallies need to do dmg" and crap. Like you said, tanks in general are supposed to take LESS dmg, keep the team alive and boom, less stress on healers. So what if the fight takes an extra minute or whatever the case is.. your healers SHOULD have mana regen capabilities. Phase 2 is not hard lol. Appreciate the video.
I love how people are preaching different builds, that are all viable and good at different things. The worst thing about og classic was hos solved it was, with everyone playing the same cookie cutter builds.
Dude, that looks like a pally tank built! I just started my twink pally to tank and i was confused about all these shockadin and ret builds... All these cringe wow-nerd-parsers who get a boner from 99ers in raids that aren't require to do so! they all think they are pros in an mmo. can't stand these kids! This is a build how a pally tank should look like. thanks for the info - i'll try it out today respeccing
Love the energy! I’m going to be trying a slightly newer version of this style tonight with a little more focus on damage to keep up with threat from my group, while still maintaining the sick deep prot gameplay.
To an extent, you don't NEED to have aggro on every little trash mob. as long as you're holding the most dangerous elites it should be totally fine. I will be editing down a VoD of our clear last night and i'll include some trash packs. It helps to have a nameplate addon like Plater, which will show the mobs you don't have aggro on, so you can switch to them and either taunt, judge, or stun them. That being said, Divine storm + holy shield + ret aura + shield spike + blessing of salv on casters, should be enough to hold aggro on 75-90% of the packs.
"This build is meant to take the least amount of damage possible. Do what we're supposed to do as a tank: Protect the 9 other people in our group so they can be the best they can be." Sacrificing damage output for more survivability just makes boss fights longer. There's no reason to be this tanky (at least right now) when you could take a little more damage and do a lot more damage.
Could I do more damage? Sure. Could I stay this tanky, so my healers can do more damage? Also sure. The latter is my preference. I enjoy seeing my teammates excel.
And exactly how much time do the tanks specs add or subtract to the fight? I bet it's not even a noticeable amount. Tanks are made to to hold threat and survive. If you are doing that your a good tank.
@@banorful you are correct. the mentality of a tank will make the fight easier if they do 150 dps more, is just a theory that in a best case scenario is true, but in real life situations ends up being parroted by people with brain rot, because we don't live in a vacuum. By this logic, if lower tier dps classes, would but only reroll to higher dps classes, boss fights would also go by faster. For these people to be satisfied, there would only be 3 different classes per raid group.
I have, it’s in my Back to Deep Prot With a Twist live VoD around minute 58. That being said I have 3pc Hazard and pretty much best in slot. Both healers did around 600 hps combined as well. At the end of the day it’s just as much on the healers, but you should be fine with threat as long as your group gives you the chance to collect all 3
Wouldn’t you be better off using Sheathe or Light? That’s like 200+ Spellpower for free that increases the damage of SoR, JoR and Holy Shield by a decent amount. 10%, 50% and 5% per Block respectively.
You can if you want. I prefer having the extra 17% spell hit so spells don't get resisted by bosses. a resisted spell = no spell damage. I also like using it to pull. Up to your preference. Either are fine.
Been running Ret Tank and man it just does not hold threat well, plus the dps output will never be as good as any of the other dps focused classes. I'm about to get in game and finally change my paladin to full prot. my only complain with the build in your video is that Aegis doesn't stack with Redoubt. Now i assumed that means one just doesn't work if the other is active, but I could be wrong.
I think people discount aegis because of that, but it still has benefits beyond the redoubt overlap and it gets overlooked. For example, redoubt only increases your block chance after a crit, but aegis increases your block value and increased chance when redoubt isn’t active. That being said, I only use it on the hardest hitting melee bosses and run divine storm or Martyr otherwise. Welcome to the Light!
@@Bumblebeetunes Thanks Brother. Did the full switch a few hours ago, ran around to test it. Goddamn that damage reflect with everything running is pretty crazy, can't wait to try it in raid. Sounds like Aegis combine with redoubt would be great for handling chicken and the last boss of gnomer.
@@neoikake any damage mitigation is worthwhile early on in a raid tier. As deep prot, i had around 30% block at all times and a block value of more than 50. Do the math, that is a lot of damage your healers don't have to heal. As your group gets geared and more comfortable with the raid, it's less important.
I haven’t for the exact reason you said. Healers aren’t supposed to hate you as a tank. They are supposed to love you. Shockadin seems like a fun spec for DPS, but you’re trolling your group if you’re tanking with it.
@@Bumblebeetunes Ret is way better dps so its kinda dead dps spec. I wouldnt go so far as to say its a troll tank spec. You should try it when you get full plate, its not paper just need some gear and to assign one healer to a tank. Anyways gr8 video nice to see atleast some tank guide on yt for pala!
I'm not great with numbers but don't aegis and redoubt not stack and how much damage are you blocking/threat gain from blocks compared to cons,exo spam, and holy shock heals/damage. I'm nearly full bis playing 31/0/0 solo tank but I really miss full prot.
@@anotherhuman21 they do stack in the sense that aegis always increases your block value and gives you a 10% chance to increase your block chance with any damage. They just don’t overlap if both proc at the same time. Eventually aegis will gain more value and redoubt will lose value as our defense stats go up and we get crit less. I’m always a bigger fan of damage mitigation versus self healing because damage mitigation always works, whereas self healing can either overheal or be on CD when it’s needed. There are always a lot of variables when considering which build to go. Less tanky builds are fine as long as your healers are good and your dps don’t get hit with mechanics, but for most groups, especially unorganized ones, that is asking for a lot.
We’re goin judgement of crusader to start, then seal of righteousness. You can use martyr on single target instead of divine storm if you want to seal twist. I pretty much solo tank everything except menagerie, but eventually I’ll be doing that as well. Sometimes fire stacks get a little out of hand on the last boss so a taunt from a pet or off tank is needed just to clear the stack, again something that won’t be needed as group dps increases.
I genuinely don't think I could hold aggro with this spec, If I was doing 65dps vs the final boss the DPS in my raid would be standing there afk, leading to the fighs taking longer and the healers going oom or using more pots. Not to mention you can solo tank gnomer as deep holy very easily. The mitigation , aoe threat and single target threat are all great. i recommend checking logs of damage taken per second and comparing or trying it out for yourself!
The only player I ever lose boss aggro to is our lock when they are in meta. People underestimate the threat generation from holy shield. Are you saying you can mitigate almost 50% of all incoming damage with holy? Because you can with this spec.
Boss by Boss: Feb 23rd Sete vs Feb 22nd Luxverus Grubbis Mitigation: Sete 42.89% vs 50.37% Luxverus Viscous
Sete 47.67% vs 50.44% Luxverus Crowd Sete 54.79% vs 54.11% Luxverus Electrocutioner ( we use the stack strat not sure what you use) Sete 52.41% vs 41.05% Luxverus Feb 22nd Non stack-strat 47.10% Luxverus Feb 21st Menagerie Sete 53.57% vs 57.18% Luxverus Thermaplugg Sete 33.77% vs 39.92% Luxverus
here are some numbers from your Feb 23rd run vs my Feb 22nd run. You can look it up on warcraft logs as im not able to post links it seems, but Essentially its Mitigation: Boss + Trash: Setedisangue Mitigated: 47.82% vs 49.56% Luxverus Boss: Setedisangue Mitigated: 43.68% vs 48.56% Luxverus You'll also notice a difference in Overall Damage Taken Boss + Trash: Setedisangue 514k vs 352k Luxverus Boss: Setedisangue 340k vs 221k Luxverus
I personally think it is worth trying out for a raid or 2 if you haven't especially with how cheap respecs are. Your DPS will never have to hold back which will make you kill bosses faster, You will do a lot more threat and damage while also mitigating the same if not more. This would lead to you and the whole raid taking less damage and doing more damage. Which would lead to faster kills and faster clears Pull Threat is amazing, You'd use Exorcism and a Divine Favor holy shock and that gets the ball rolling fast. Due to this, you will have massive threat leads and even be able to holy shock yourself if needed while also providing yourself with a nice 2minute LoH armor buff Which the healers appreciate. All in all I personally think it is worth trying. You can solo tank every fight and only need someone to offtank the Dragon during Overheat on Menegerie
Boss by Boss: Grubbis Mitigation: Sete 42.89% vs 50.37% Luxverus Viscous
Sete 47.67% vs 50.44% Luxverus Crowd Sete 54.79% vs 54.11% Luxverus Electrocutioner ( we use the stack strat not sure what you use) Sete 52.41% vs 41.05% Luxverus Non stack strat 47.10% Luxverus Menagerie Sete 53.57% vs 57.18% Luxverus Thermaplugg Sete 33.77% vs 39.92%
idk why it keeps deleting the number breakdown but Boss by Boss: Grubbis Mitigation: Sete 42.89% vs 50.37% Luxverus Viscous
Sete 47.67% vs 50.44% Luxverus Crowd Sete 54.79% vs 54.11% Luxverus Electrocutioner ( we use the stack strat not sure what you use) Sete 52.41% vs 41.05% Luxverus Non stack strat 47.10% Luxverus Menagerie Sete 53.57% vs 57.18% Luxverus Thermaplugg Sete 33.77% vs 39.92%
I’d say this is mainly for physical damage. Paladins have some good resistance auras but for the most part magic damage in classic is mitigated by consumables and resistance gear.
Deep prot works against casters if you know how to line of site. It's pretty easy to get a caster to move if your group is smart enough to wait on attacking until the caster is positioned... I know it's asking a lot of people to hold a second in PUGs.
Just a terrible build. Any deep prot Paladin build that takes Toughness over Precision and Guardian's Favor is a complete waste. Yes, defensive stats are good but you need to hold threat and move through nets and other movement locks as a tank. Also, Anticipation, at 40, is a wildly underrated talent and should be prioritised - 10 extra defense is like being level 42 for defensive stats and increases block, parry, and dodge. Toughness is overrated and a wasted 5 talent points. Paladin should worry more about blocking and avoidance then pure armor value.
You've blasted the guy when he's defending you against the youtube troll, as in the guy commenting supremekek, lol. Way to blast someone watching your vids & defending you man, read the comment properly before getting defensive lol.. @@Bumblebeetunes
@iangarcia4946 you’re probably right, but they didn’t specify and the whole point of this character is to be on the defensive so… I get what you’re saying but also don’t take things so seriously. I’ll see your point and delete my comment while leaving this up for my shame.
There is a purist among us. Great to see someone own their role and shut out all the parse lords. Sure, you can blast the bosses hard enough that you get away with consecrate and seal of martyrdom. You can also wipe your ass with duct tape. If I’m tanking, I’d rather be heralded as the chonklord that makes the whole experience easy and smooth for the other roles.
Exactly my friend. From which Abbey do you hail?
Deep Prot is a REALLY fun build and one of our paladin's runs this spec in our guild with no issue
However, I do feel like I wanna state that no pally tank specs atm are gonna make the last 2 bosses feel THAT much easier for your healers. Thermaplugg chunks in any tank spec right now. Unironically, the best tank for thermaplug is a hunter pet LOL
Very cool info on the deep prot build, but don't knock the other tank specs, they're fun ;)
This is the video I’ve been looking for.
Ive run deep prot and ive run shockadin,and theres hardly any damage difference as far as intake goes,but deep prot is vastly lower dps. The no brainer is killing bosses faster,if you dont die either way. Therma chonks regardless.
Love this one dood! Been rocking deep prot on Chaos Bolt since BFD. Have had a blast being a Holy Knight . Toons name is Monotolio and I can say with certainty that all my healers love this spec. It is also super fun when paired with EZ throw dynamite and dragon breath chili. Slainte brother!
Happy to hear it! Been thinking about dropping herbalism for Engineering because I know it will be useful going forward.
Engineering is super helpful, stack up on sappers next phase for god snap threat.
Aegis rune doesn't stack with redoubt in the prot tree, fyi.
Can vouch for deep prot to tank gnomer - bit harder to get initial aggro on groups but great threat and mitigation on boss fights and on groups when you are settled. Been running with 90 parse shadow priest and never had an issue. Go shieldspike, sanctuary, holy shield and ret aura for full porcupine.
I hear a lot of people say how aegis doesn’t stack with redoubt, and yea it does lower its value a bit, but unless you have 100% uptime on redoubt, it’s still useful on hard hitting melee bosses like the last 2 in gnomer.
@@Bumblebeetunes so the rune can actually still procc even if you have redoubt? From the description on aegis it seems like skilling redoubt just nullifies aegis...
@@gulabjaboi the passive block value increase still shows 100% uptime in logs and 10% chance to increase blocking by 30% still exists outside of redoubt uptime. Aegis procd 5 times for me on my last thermaplugg kill.
@@Bumblebeetunes thx for info man 😊👌! Always nice to learn different options for rune/specc combos! That's not totally useless for porcupine spec prott tank! More blocks = more threat too.
@@gulabjaboi may the Light guide you!
Love the intro. My build has always centered around mitigation and threat, not damage. But people wig out over dps and logs.
The parse meta is so wild, it’s like people just don’t understand the purpose of tanks. Zug zug I guess
I will say though active aoe threat through consecration is much more effective than what is essentially thorns damage from holy shield. If you have pumper mages and warlocks there’s no shot you’re holding threat will holy shield only.
Don’t give in to the peer pressure, friend. Tanks are not supposed to parse, we are supposed to mitigate damage and keep our companions alive. Consecration is effective for aoe threat to an extent, but as dps gets more gear, it becomes less effective and the damage reduction you lose by specing into it is not worth it, in my opinion.
Holy shield + blessing on sanc + ret aura + shield spike + divine storm is plenty effective for maintaining AoE threat. I mainly solo tank Gnomer with this build and the only deaths come from full wipes.
I appreciate your compliment! Thank you for watching!
Broham! I agree with you 100% but i would rather skip the imp. HoJ and pick up the Precision talent. Why do you not want to be Precise?!
This would be a fine choice, good sir. I merely prefer improved HoJ to torment the filthy Horde!
i get the mitigation spec, i'd run it on my pally as well if the player base wasn't so sweaty ^^ you tell people not to aoe straight away and what do they do lol.
i'd recommend using sheath though! amg the spell power is crazy, give's ya holy spells crazy dmg. not tested to see if it works with holy shield yet though! if it does, that'll be awesome! nice video bud
People who play a 20 year old boomer game to be sweaty make me laugh. I’d rather see their characters in the dirt than on the boss. That being said, aggro primarily matters on elite trash mobs and bosses. This build should have you holding aggro just fine on those unless someone has threat runes on or is taunting
It's really pointless for a Prot tank to be even top 7 in dmg out of a group. If you have GOOD DPS, it makes up for that so-called, "prot pallies need to do dmg" and crap. Like you said, tanks in general are supposed to take LESS dmg, keep the team alive and boom, less stress on healers. So what if the fight takes an extra minute or whatever the case is.. your healers SHOULD have mana regen capabilities. Phase 2 is not hard lol. Appreciate the video.
Appreciate it and you're welcome. People who are worried about tank parses in SoD have mold in their brains. Video response to the haters coming soon.
@@Bumblebeetunes News flash for them.. lol. You can STILL parse 30-40 as a tank doing what you're supposed to be doing... tanking!
I swap guarded by the light for sacred shield sometimes + I dont really need enlight. judgements. sheath of light is just enough for threat.
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shockadin the whole deep prot for hard content
I love how people are preaching different builds, that are all viable and good at different things. The worst thing about og classic was hos solved it was, with everyone playing the same cookie cutter builds.
This is the only viable build! Lol jk. Appreciate the comment!
Dude, that looks like a pally tank built! I just started my twink pally to tank and i was confused about all these shockadin and ret builds... All these cringe wow-nerd-parsers who get a boner from 99ers in raids that aren't require to do so! they all think they are pros in an mmo. can't stand these kids! This is a build how a pally tank should look like. thanks for the info - i'll try it out today respeccing
Love the energy! I’m going to be trying a slightly newer version of this style tonight with a little more focus on damage to keep up with threat from my group, while still maintaining the sick deep prot gameplay.
i like being tangy with this build i get it... but packs of trash mobs is hard for me to keep threat on all the mobs what can do for this?
To an extent, you don't NEED to have aggro on every little trash mob. as long as you're holding the most dangerous elites it should be totally fine. I will be editing down a VoD of our clear last night and i'll include some trash packs. It helps to have a nameplate addon like Plater, which will show the mobs you don't have aggro on, so you can switch to them and either taunt, judge, or stun them. That being said, Divine storm + holy shield + ret aura + shield spike + blessing of salv on casters, should be enough to hold aggro on 75-90% of the packs.
"This build is meant to take the least amount of damage possible. Do what we're supposed to do as a tank: Protect the 9 other people in our group so they can be the best they can be."
Sacrificing damage output for more survivability just makes boss fights longer. There's no reason to be this tanky (at least right now) when you could take a little more damage and do a lot more damage.
Could I do more damage? Sure. Could I stay this tanky, so my healers can do more damage? Also sure. The latter is my preference. I enjoy seeing my teammates excel.
And exactly how much time do the tanks specs add or subtract to the fight? I bet it's not even a noticeable amount. Tanks are made to to hold threat and survive. If you are doing that your a good tank.
@@banorful you are correct. the mentality of a tank will make the fight easier if they do 150 dps more, is just a theory that in a best case scenario is true, but in real life situations ends up being parroted by people with brain rot, because we don't live in a vacuum. By this logic, if lower tier dps classes, would but only reroll to higher dps classes, boss fights would also go by faster. For these people to be satisfied, there would only be 3 different classes per raid group.
why is my paladin god wearing cloth irl?
You ever seen judgment gear bro?
Have you solo tanked Menagerie with this build? My guild is asking me to solo tank it and I don't know if this build/ I can do it
I have, it’s in my Back to Deep Prot With a Twist live VoD around minute 58. That being said I have 3pc Hazard and pretty much best in slot. Both healers did around 600 hps combined as well. At the end of the day it’s just as much on the healers, but you should be fine with threat as long as your group gives you the chance to collect all 3
Wouldn’t you be better off using Sheathe or Light?
That’s like 200+ Spellpower for free that increases the damage of SoR, JoR and Holy Shield by a decent amount. 10%, 50% and 5% per Block respectively.
You can if you want. I prefer having the extra 17% spell hit so spells don't get resisted by bosses. a resisted spell = no spell damage. I also like using it to pull. Up to your preference. Either are fine.
40-yard aggro from Judgment makes difference, too.
Been running Ret Tank and man it just does not hold threat well, plus the dps output will never be as good as any of the other dps focused classes. I'm about to get in game and finally change my paladin to full prot. my only complain with the build in your video is that Aegis doesn't stack with Redoubt. Now i assumed that means one just doesn't work if the other is active, but I could be wrong.
I think people discount aegis because of that, but it still has benefits beyond the redoubt overlap and it gets overlooked. For example, redoubt only increases your block chance after a crit, but aegis increases your block value and increased chance when redoubt isn’t active. That being said, I only use it on the hardest hitting melee bosses and run divine storm or Martyr otherwise. Welcome to the Light!
@@Bumblebeetunes Thanks Brother. Did the full switch a few hours ago, ran around to test it. Goddamn that damage reflect with everything running is pretty crazy, can't wait to try it in raid.
Sounds like Aegis combine with redoubt would be great for handling chicken and the last boss of gnomer.
Peoples avoid the block becose block sucks right now. No block gear. Low str scaling. Low domage medigation for the investment.
@@neoikake any damage mitigation is worthwhile early on in a raid tier. As deep prot, i had around 30% block at all times and a block value of more than 50. Do the math, that is a lot of damage your healers don't have to heal. As your group gets geared and more comfortable with the raid, it's less important.
Let him cook!
Why wouldn't you take the 3% hit, over kings etc
You can, I just never felt like I needed it.
Have u tried shockadin? It is so fun spec to play. I fell in love with that spec and healers hate me 😂
I haven’t for the exact reason you said. Healers aren’t supposed to hate you as a tank. They are supposed to love you. Shockadin seems like a fun spec for DPS, but you’re trolling your group if you’re tanking with it.
@@Bumblebeetunes Ret is way better dps so its kinda dead dps spec. I wouldnt go so far as to say its a troll tank spec. You should try it when you get full plate, its not paper just need some gear and to assign one healer to a tank. Anyways gr8 video nice to see atleast some tank guide on yt for pala!
@@MikoZyskowicz thank you! And yes it definitely gains viability as kill times decrease, so less healing is required.
I'm not great with numbers but don't aegis and redoubt not stack and how much damage are you blocking/threat gain from blocks compared to cons,exo spam, and holy shock heals/damage. I'm nearly full bis playing 31/0/0 solo tank but I really miss full prot.
@@anotherhuman21 they do stack in the sense that aegis always increases your block value and gives you a 10% chance to increase your block chance with any damage. They just don’t overlap if both proc at the same time. Eventually aegis will gain more value and redoubt will lose value as our defense stats go up and we get crit less. I’m always a bigger fan of damage mitigation versus self healing because damage mitigation always works, whereas self healing can either overheal or be on CD when it’s needed. There are always a lot of variables when considering which build to go. Less tanky builds are fine as long as your healers are good and your dps don’t get hit with mechanics, but for most groups, especially unorganized ones, that is asking for a lot.
so how do you play this ? what seal do we used? can you solo tank gnomeregan with this deep investment into protection ? i need answers
We’re goin judgement of crusader to start, then seal of righteousness. You can use martyr on single target instead of divine storm if you want to seal twist. I pretty much solo tank everything except menagerie, but eventually I’ll be doing that as well. Sometimes fire stacks get a little out of hand on the last boss so a taunt from a pet or off tank is needed just to clear the stack, again something that won’t be needed as group dps increases.
I genuinely don't think I could hold aggro with this spec, If I was doing 65dps vs the final boss the DPS in my raid would be standing there afk, leading to the fighs taking longer and the healers going oom or using more pots. Not to mention you can solo tank gnomer as deep holy very easily. The mitigation , aoe threat and single target threat are all great. i recommend checking logs of damage taken per second and comparing or trying it out for yourself!
The only player I ever lose boss aggro to is our lock when they are in meta. People underestimate the threat generation from holy shield. Are you saying you can mitigate almost 50% of all incoming damage with holy? Because you can with this spec.
Boss by Boss: Feb 23rd Sete vs Feb 22nd Luxverus
Grubbis
Mitigation:
Sete 42.89% vs 50.37% Luxverus
Viscous
Sete 47.67% vs 50.44% Luxverus
Crowd
Sete 54.79% vs 54.11% Luxverus
Electrocutioner ( we use the stack strat not sure what you use)
Sete 52.41% vs 41.05% Luxverus Feb 22nd
Non stack-strat 47.10% Luxverus Feb 21st
Menagerie
Sete 53.57% vs 57.18% Luxverus
Thermaplugg
Sete 33.77% vs 39.92% Luxverus
here are some numbers from your Feb 23rd run vs my Feb 22nd run. You can look it up on warcraft logs as im not able to post links it seems, but
Essentially its
Mitigation:
Boss + Trash: Setedisangue Mitigated: 47.82% vs 49.56% Luxverus
Boss: Setedisangue Mitigated: 43.68% vs 48.56% Luxverus
You'll also notice a difference in Overall Damage Taken
Boss + Trash: Setedisangue 514k vs 352k Luxverus
Boss: Setedisangue 340k vs 221k Luxverus
I personally think it is worth trying out for a raid or 2 if you haven't especially with how cheap respecs are.
Your DPS will never have to hold back which will make you kill bosses faster,
You will do a lot more threat and damage while also mitigating the same if not more.
This would lead to you and the whole raid taking less damage and doing more damage.
Which would lead to faster kills and faster clears
Pull Threat is amazing, You'd use Exorcism and a Divine Favor holy shock and that gets the ball rolling fast.
Due to this, you will have massive threat leads and even be able to holy shock yourself if needed while also providing yourself with a nice 2minute LoH armor buff
Which the healers appreciate.
All in all I personally think it is worth trying.
You can solo tank every fight and only need someone to offtank the Dragon during Overheat on Menegerie
Boss by Boss:
Grubbis
Mitigation:
Sete 42.89% vs 50.37% Luxverus
Viscous
Sete 47.67% vs 50.44% Luxverus
Crowd
Sete 54.79% vs 54.11% Luxverus
Electrocutioner ( we use the stack strat not sure what you use)
Sete 52.41% vs 41.05% Luxverus
Non stack strat 47.10% Luxverus
Menagerie
Sete 53.57% vs 57.18% Luxverus
Thermaplugg
Sete 33.77% vs 39.92%
idk why it keeps deleting the number breakdown but
Boss by Boss:
Grubbis
Mitigation:
Sete 42.89% vs 50.37% Luxverus
Viscous
Sete 47.67% vs 50.44% Luxverus
Crowd
Sete 54.79% vs 54.11% Luxverus
Electrocutioner ( we use the stack strat not sure what you use)
Sete 52.41% vs 41.05% Luxverus
Non stack strat 47.10% Luxverus
Menagerie
Sete 53.57% vs 57.18% Luxverus
Thermaplugg
Sete 33.77% vs 39.92%
How well does this build work against a pack of caster mobs? Not sure if there are any pure caster bosses out yet.
I’d say this is mainly for physical damage. Paladins have some good resistance auras but for the most part magic damage in classic is mitigated by consumables and resistance gear.
Deep prot works against casters if you know how to line of site. It's pretty easy to get a caster to move if your group is smart enough to wait on attacking until the caster is positioned... I know it's asking a lot of people to hold a second in PUGs.
@@retrotim pretty sure based on them asking about caster bosses as well, they meant against magic damage, not caster melee attacks when you LoS them.
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Just a terrible build. Any deep prot Paladin build that takes Toughness over Precision and Guardian's Favor is a complete waste. Yes, defensive stats are good but you need to hold threat and move through nets and other movement locks as a tank. Also, Anticipation, at 40, is a wildly underrated talent and should be prioritised - 10 extra defense is like being level 42 for defensive stats and increases block, parry, and dodge. Toughness is overrated and a wasted 5 talent points. Paladin should worry more about blocking and avoidance then pure armor value.
You do you boo, but you’re wrong. Holding threat isn’t an issue in the first half of a phase for most tanks.
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@iangarcia4946 you’re probably right, but they didn’t specify and the whole point of this character is to be on the defensive so… I get what you’re saying but also don’t take things so seriously. I’ll see your point and delete my comment while leaving this up for my shame.
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