Terence McKenna - Strange Datura Experience
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- "I know that it's very big in magic and I understand why, because it's a confusant, and magic depends on confusion."
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Terence McKenna talks about his Datura trips.
Music: We Plants Are Happy Plants - Warren Commission
Datura is basically what people who have never tried psychedelics think psychedelics are
spot on
Literally. I love how people who have never even researched psychedelics think they can just say exactly what they are.
Pretty much. It’s funny when people describe their cartoonish mushroom or acid trips and they have obviously never taken either
@@przybyla420 listening to people who have actually taken the shit is something else man. Its something an innocent person could never understand.
Is it really that crazy???? Ive tripped hard many times but it always was pulsating shaking shifting even hoped in a bayh tub size shower and in view seemed like a small room Never really seen something that wasnt there.
No one tells a story like Terrence McKenna
He's the voice of the logos, the most important job in the universe: telling the truth beautifully.
No one
I call him ‘Psychedelic Mr. Rogers”
hes one of the few ppl who can make me hang on his every word. anticipating the next thing to come out of his mouth
True
I don't think I've ever heard a datura story that made me want to try it lol
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Please don't lmao
@@pabloalan4190 Thanks bro but I got all that shit covered lol
@@Psycho-Complex don't worry
@@pabloalan4190 How do you say I work for the DEA, without saying you work for the DEA
I took datura once, went to sleep and woke up in the morning. Nothing happened... Then one of my friends showed me a recording of me trying to literally climb the walls inside of my house for hours on end. Its strong be careful.
Your not suppose to go to sleep on it,,,
@@lightbeingpontifex I fell asleep, I didn't go to sleep.
@@adami2140 you have to try not to next time,,
@@lightbeingpontifex Next time lol
Omg...that is NUTS.
Good thing your friend was there! Yea, I am intrigued but scared shitless to try this...
This is so spot on . I was maliciously poisoned with that crap twice in my life . The psychosis lasted each time for three whole days . Saw the “Ghost Dog” and everything . Odd thing was after I miraculously endured both experiences, I somehow had that sense of “re-birth” afterwards, but it definitely wasn’t worth the utter terror and Svengali like bodily positions TM refers to . Hell it was as close to near death as I can recall and I’ve OD a few times on opiates, which I say with no real pride 🤦🏻♂️ . I mean I actually saw the white light near deathers talk about never you mine I puked up a whole live fish into the commode that wasn’t there . Moral of the story “don’t mess with the wrong people, especially down in Mexico, or a spouse who is a would be beneficiary of a 1.5mil $ life insurance policy.
Jeez man talk about a damn witch
Glad you survived that . Do you feel some good entity or force like God helped you get out of this alive?
Agreed! Read my post above!
🤣
Witches brew the best
I’ve heard of people taking Datura… but never more than once in their lifetime 😱 Terrence truly is in a league of his own. I’m glad he came out unscathed - the same can’t be said of most of most experiences, from what I’ve read… This is not something you do for “fun”. But respect to anyone who’s willing to venture there ✌️
@LittlefootwithAlopecia eek… got any details you can share?
@@jamesjasonallen4168 What's the smoking experience like compared to oral use? Easier on the body? Or is a lower dose a better experience?
Can't say I recommend the smoking. In fact, smoking is recommended rather than ingestion, because of the way the toxins work. But the one time I smoked - I was foolish and young, didn't know to honour the spirit of the plant, was just "try this, it'll be cool." BUT IT WASN'T. The Datura - however briefly - came in through the window (like McKenna said, only it wasn't wraiths) and brandished a sword and stabbed me 10 times like the Tarot card. NEVER AGAIN, thanks. I have friends asking me about datura now, and since I did not befriend it in the beginning, I need to leave that plant alone. I suspect (like Casteneda) that the right rituals might release this a bit better - but McKenna says "delerium" so maybe not. The Angel's Trumpet, which grows where I am, has been used in South America as a punishment for criminals. Brew a strong tea of the flowers, and it effs the brain so badly that you don't need to worry about that criminal again. They will be in a fog the rest of their days. Maybe part of the zombie myths.
@@rcnhsuailsnyfiue2 I met a schizophrenic witch who claimed to take it recreationally. She put a curse on my unborn children because I wouldn't give her a cigarette.
I'm thinking of it. I found some growing in my moms yard.
This is the most joyful story of datura, usually people say it's like hell and ruins their life
Datura always seem so hauntingly beautiful to me. Every dark and wicked history about it have something tempting amongst all those nightmarish things you experience. It's like a horror movie, but you are inside it. I think that I give that plant one chance... Vision of these white flowers haunts me in my dreams.
Don’t. Trust me, don’t do it. You’ll be TRULY sorry ever after.
@@horaciohernandez598 Since that time I wrote that comment, I dared to try diphenhydramine and it was not so bad (I was really careful with dosage though).
Unfortunately I can not find Datura at all in my area. So for now I forsaken that concept.
Aaaaand thanks for your concern but I'm very careful with deliriants, I know the risk. With small dosage you should not get any schizophrenia or psychosis. I know that 1/10 or 1/5 of average dose would probably satisfy my curiousness. Also Datura is really uncomfortable, because it can greaatly differ with strenght from one plant to another - so I thought of starting with 2-3 seeds and see what happens. But like I said - I can't find this, so I would not be "TRULY sorry ever after" at least for now😛
Did you try it?
I wouldn't.
@@MagusPeter As I said - I have REALLY BIG problem with finding it😭
Fun Fact:You are allowed to consume datura,bhaag,weed,hashish etc in Nepal in the occasion of Maha shiv ratri.
Also,Nepal has varieties of pyschedelic like mad honey(pyschedelic honey),shrooms etc.
You can enjoy pyschedelics in Nepal's Natural beautiful places.🇳🇵
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hey man have u tried shrooms in nepal?
@@Nadeem87Qureshi youre haram
@@Nadeem87Qureshi hope not
@@Nadeem87Qureshi Fool
My respect for Terrence grows with each word I hear him speak.
The stories I’ve heard about people’s experiences with Datura is brutal. Although there is deception and propaganda surrounding the psychedelic field, Datura is the real deal kinda schizophrenia inducing drug that I think is well not worth the risk.
3:21 Plot twist: Terence was the high one, and they WERE in his apartment.
lmfao I can see it
Maybe they never met physically and they just stumbled upon each other on the realm of the Datura-psyche
Shulgin's experience with it was absolutely freaky. The Erowid Vaults have a pretty fascinating section on Datura trips.
Can you provide a link to his experience? Would love to read it but cant find it on google
Link pls
I'd probably have to flip through PIHKAL and TIHKAL when I get a chance. Maybe someone can help me out. If memory serves, it was when he was working with scopolamine or another one of the three tropane alkaloids that constitute the main psychoactive compounds in Datura. He took it and was driving over the golden gate bridge in terrible traffic when it set in. His long-time friend, of whom he had many fond memories, was in the back seat of his car and they were having a jolly conversation, regaling each other with recountings of all their myriad past exploits together. Then an album he had never heard before from one of his favorite artists came on the radio and he absolutely loved it, listening to it for an hour or so, then declaring it to be his new favorite album from that artist. His friend concurred. When he got over the bridge, the music stopped. Frustrated, he went to turn it back on, only to realize the radio was off the whole time. When he exclaimed the realization to his friend, his friend disappeared, and he realized he was alone in the car, in silence, the whole time. He had never heard any such music before, and the friend he imagined was totally fictitious, i.e. they weren't memories he was hallucinating, but rather entirely new creations his mind produced, totally indistinguishable from reality. He then got home ASAP. I'll find it eventually and post it here when I do.
@@SSSyndrome214 wow... that would be an mind shattering experience. I stopped taking mushrooms after it became hard for me to distinguish where the hallucinations began and ended... I can confidently say I will never ingest Datura.
@@absoluteunit8628 Also, I would like to try Datura, but only under the supervision of an experienced and trusted babysitter, one who is physically larger than me and armed with a lorazepam auto-injector. The problem with using the actual plant matter is that both the concentration and the ratios of the three main psychoactive alkaloids varries wildly from plant to plant, flower to flower, seed to seed. In order to have any idea what you're getting, you'd have to use either synthetic alternatives, or a homogenized and tested powder of the plant matter. It's tricky, but hopefully I'll get it one day. Until then, my dreams and more common and tame psychedelics will do.
"Datura is a horse of a different color" Instantly drew me in.
Anyone that reminds me of Wizard of Oz is okay in my book.
A friend of mine and I took a road trip in 1974. We picked up a hitchhiker who had some mushrooms and had stories of peyote and datura. His parents were anthropologists working with Native Americans in the Sante Fe area. A week or two prior to our road trip my friend and I had taken a trip south from our homes to pick some datura and had it at home drying (clueless...). Anyway, shortly after we picked the guy up I had to return to work and my friend had another week to blow so he took the guy to Taos. There they both did some datura. Our hitchhiker said he loved it (and had previous great experiences with it) and he thought of it as an astral projection type of thing. My friend did not have a good time at all. When he got home he took what we had picked and threw it away, and told me that I should never even try it. I remember a High Times article from the late 70's titles "The World's Worst Drug" and the author didn't have a good time either.
I found Daturas in the morning I ate a very big trumpet, as I walked away with a few of the flowers two little bees started pollinating the rest of the flowers and gathering nectar from them. Beautiful Native Spirit.
What happened ?
and then,,,,
Man...I haven't seen a McKenna video in ages. Love this guy.
I would never try this stuff unless i really become suicidal and stop caring about my life but it creates the best horror stories ever. I love listening to people's horrifying experiences from taking large doses of this shit.
real
I tried because I was suicidal, I swear.
It worked.
T M is the person I go to to get a real idea of how a particular substance affects a person. He has such an amazing vocabulary and ability to describe his personal experiences.
Macropaul6.
I did Datura in 1986. This is a true story we all drank a brew made from boiled seeds. Once in my trance state I smashed twenty glasses then proceeded to walk on broken glass for two hours in the kitchen. I was pulling one inch pieces of glass out of my feet like nothing. There was blood every where. I took a plastic bowl put it on the stove then turned the stove on cause a huge fire. Then I knocked over a plant and tried to smoke the dirt thinking it was hash. In the end a girl found all three of us naked crawling on the street completely lost till we finally woke up from out journey. My eyes were out of focus for two days. We never knew how much to do, so we probably drank to much. never would I recomend this drug to anyone.
Wtf
@@ransm_fts Bro trust me that trip was insane. Thing is there is another story of the same night but a different crew. They came over and drank some brew then took off to a house party. I only have a few vague details of what happened to those 4 guys but it wasnt pretty ofr them. They lucky they lived cause they drank the brew then drove to a house party.
@@thedude5599 u give an unearthed feeling a chance to roam with ur body. You return to a state of before you were born. It’s why the most vivid scenes show up. You were once nothing more than a life force without a container, except this time you already had your container and completely return to your godlike state, only problem is u are trapped in the flesh body so memories of said visions will not even latch on to ur human brain. Theory of course, there is no proof of any of what I believe in.
Start from 5 seeds and you know what is the right dose for you . Use it as a medicine not as a drug
@@custerd29
Does smoke of the seeds gives same high?
Few years ago i couldn’t believe someday i would find LSD but like someone told me a while ago : be patient if you really want these things they will come to you at some point & it did . Now the problem is to face it , I’ll be taking 100 ug for my first time this weekend
Great news. LSD is a wonderful drug! 100ug is a good chill starter dose. Enjoy!
You'll be just fine. I think you'll find 100ug to be fairly weak. Do what makes you happy while on it!
@@mink33 Thank you , oh yeah i already have a playlist of good vibes songs ready for the come up phase
@azimuth Thank you man :)
@@absoluteunit8628 thank you !! Yes i got lots of music ready for the come up & i have a safe place for the trip to happen .
Datura is so strange and definitely not for everyone in fact its only for a few. Every single person I've ever know to take it did it once and never again, me personally i like it and grow my own along with brugmansia but mostly i only eat a handfull of seeds for dreaming i doubt ill ever go back to a full trip but i respect it and have much curiosity about something thats been around for so long, used by so many different cultures yet is almost universally shunned and reviled today by the modern world.
"It's not working..."
Awesome channel amigo
Thank you \o7
How did you make that smiley? :0
Well atleast he had some newsprint to read while he was waiting
Yes, how did you get that emoji.
what i can NOT recommend is to make a ethanolic Datura root extract and smokin it through a pipe.
@SoftserveSodium the upper parts have mostly scopolamin /hyoscamin, in the roots the tropan alkaloids were synthesized and many unknown derivates are in the roots, and also Atropin. it has the complete opposite effect than the aerial parts, not narcotic or delirant more likely your heart will pump with more than 200bpm. So the roots let your pulse rise to extreme levels (what makes atropin to an important emergency med) and the aerial parts will slow your pulse. A pulse above 200 bpm is absolutely dangerous and can lead to heart attack or rythmic disorders combined with frighting fear of dying also days after the consume of the root. Also tribes which use Datura believe that unearth the root is an attack on the Datura spirit and it will kill you.
@@Leafthief very informative. thank you
@@Leafthief can you tell me which tribes believe specifically in a datura spirit?
@@ZemanTheMighty Datura is/ was used by north american tribes and indian monks, Brugmansia is used by different tribes from equador peru and brazil. The species that used spritually from tribes is datura innoxia in northamerica and datura metel in india, for Brugmansia culebra is used in equador and arborea and suaveolens are widely used in peru and brazil. This plants are the most powerful spiritual teachers and were only used by absolute master shamans, either for black magic or to heal black magic
@@Leafthief yeah brugmansia is no joke. I find of all deliriants and datura plants I've ever tried Brugmansia is most likely to result in a blackout and complete mania that you remember nothing of days later. Seriously not to be taken lightly
I have these growing in my front yard. Moonflower is the nickname I think. They bloom at night. They are very beautiful!
@SoftserveSodium details? Or summary of the experience?
@@TravelNP Scroll up to my comments. Stay away from The Devils Trumpet or anything closely related to it . You will definitely regret messin with that shit .
@SoftserveSodium You got that right 😱😨👻 👹👺🤦🏻♂️
I agree. I bought a bunch of seeds online back in like 2001 or something cuz i 'wanted to get high'. Ended up growing a couple plants in back of my house and yeah, just like morning-glories only bloom in the am, datura stramonium do it at night and are SO BEAUTIFUL and the flowers smell 'intoxicatingly' AMAZING (pun intended) but the foliage absolutely stinks!
But honestly: Does anyone know where I could get our anyone who MAKES an oil, perfume, etc with the notes that are in the WHITE Datura flower!????
Wait until you see the moth they attract, they’re big and beautiful, it’s magical!
It's good to enter the confusion state, it immediately throws You out
Datura is supposedly lucky for some, unlucky for others. i LOVED it smelling the flower at a Zoo
@@lunaticzeroone Getting the pollen in your eyes can cause blindness often permanently. Stay the hell away from the Devils Trumpet 🎺 or any analogue related to it . It’s the no go zone .
its not luck,,, it chooses or denies you,,,
Love the video
Substances like psychedelics when administered temporarily and in the minimum and safe dose can save life (prevent suicide), yet..long term all of them are NOT the answer (solution to the problem). self honesty, emotional and spiritual healing (done correctly) produce safe and lasting results..health happiness, inner peace
I’ve been researching on psychedelics and it’s benefits to individuals dealing with Anxiety, Depression, ADHD and from my findings, they really work and I’ve been eager to get some for a while but its been difficult to get my hands on them.
The Trips I've been having really helped me a lot. I’m now able to meditate and I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future and things that used to be mundane to me now seem incredible and full of nuance on top of that I'm way less driven by my ego and I have alot more empathy as well
I was having this constant, unbearable anxiety due to work stress. Not until I came across a very intelligent mycologist. He saved my life honestly
His name is *DR Adolf Petter*
@ohmakure4716
I feel the same way too. I put too much on my plate and it definitely affects my stress and anxiety levels. I am also glad to be a part of this community.
Datura ended up on my back porch in one of my flower pots. RANDOMLY!
It's apparently a drug where the user has pretty much no control on. A lot of people have total amnesia on it and others go in and out of memory and those instances where you have no memory, you're likely doing some goofy shit. Sometimes people will think nothing happened, but if a friend was around they'll tell them all about the crazy shit they were doing. This drug seems to be no good. Very rarely do people have a positive experience on it and even rarer when people have a meaningful experience on it.
Spot on with that last part. From the positive accounts of datura trips I’ve heard, there is a certain flatness to the experience when described, users only seem to lose insight into themselves and the world around them.
I am from Bangladesh🇧🇩. One day I was eating Gaza in the forest of the university. Suddenly I was surprised to see a dautra tree near me. I picked 3 fruits from the tree that day. I have kept 3 fruits carefully.
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Datura. A wonderful and beautiful plant to observe, but you won't see me consuming it haha
Great to know you came to Nepal for the trip. Nepal has a wide undiscovered variety of psychedelics, high honey and many more. Many sages used to meditate medicated and hence Hinduism (lifestyle and not religion) was formed.
Mad honey is quite a mystery
I heard this forever ago and have been searching for this for ages thank you
Love his datura story about the woman and the other man, he had the same hallucination as. This one too is a lol.
Hey man! Any chance you can still find that story he told about the women!!?? I cannot find it any where any more!
@@pauls723 Sorry I don't know what video it was on.
I think whereas psychedelics lift you into a higher dimension, Datura will actually open you up to the lower astral realms, where all the disembodied spirits, shadow beings and similar entities lurk. Occult practices for the most part access and make use of this part of reality.
There is another dimension to things with Deliriants, which can grant access to a more cosmic power by walking through a hidden door in all of this confusion, but only certain shamans will know how to use this medicine in the right way.
The plant has potential to grant great knowledge, power and healing, but only to those who it deems worthy. Otherwise it might just confuse one or in the worst case destroy.
They're anticholinergic
While you are tripping on Datura you cannot remember having taken it, you end up doing absurd things while thinking they are absolutely normal. Eventually, but in some cases it could be days, even weeks, you will come down, in great confusion and remember very little of what happened.
From my personal experience, this is.
Native American tribes used datura as a ceremonial, I'm sure they probably know how to properly dose. They believe certain molecules will bring you home (somewhere in the stars) you will see certain gods, depending on the substance.
@@JFK47xthat’s the key to it right there. I use it pretty regularly but I’m not one of these Chad’s making teas out of whole seed pods trying to get a cheap trip. That is where people mess up. Datura doesn’t appreciate being abused and will throw that karma back in someone’s face harder than any mamma slap they ever felt 😅
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Trust me DO NOT eat Ddatura, I don't regret the experience because I survived and didn't die. Not many ppl can truly say they met her. Datura is a pure feminine energy, I still grant her respect when I pass a plant. I would never do it again or suggest it to anyone.
Can u tell me about your experience with the datura spirit?
@@churchdog i need to do a trip report but I'll just say it spans 2 full days of hallucinations around sev r al ppl so it would be multiple pages and I don't have the urge yet to do it.
@@damionepsilon4737 was the datura spirit guarded by 2 dogs with red eyes?
@@damionepsilon4737 it spanned over 2 days?!
@@captainomoplata643 datura effects can last multiple days
If Terence were alive with us I'm still not sure if he'd have his own spiritual school, a TEDtalk series or a stand-up comedy show on Netflix. Every talk of his, I'm cackling, evolving and getting mindblown simultaneously
I feel it’s paradoxical to think of the current world with Terence in it because the world just wouldn’t be the same with a mouth like his. It’s like everyone who would be able to speak eloquently about our current circumstances from an overview perspective has passed on. They did the best they could and left us with their life’s work. It’s on us to pick up where’s they left off.
I fear we are all waiting for someone else to step up and do it, but it’s almost like if I don’t DO IT, then no one will.
@@CGBalla1014 hah, I'd love to have your optimism that a living Terence would actually change our world. Here's to biblical prophecies of return lol. But I feel there are a million potential Terences out there today doing their thing in anonymity because most of us are (understandably) too calloused and tired to listen anyway. I like the eloquence of spiritual speaker Teal Swan and how she pinpoints issues and possible solutions with surgical accuracy... but since she's a woman in the spiritual field, she's bound to be met with a lot more resistance just on principle. Then there's super eloquent and joyful Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove, the only person so far to have a PhD in paranormal Psychology, but obviously a man in his field is met with even more resistance lol something about psychedelics and their growing culture of rebellion(?) seems to be more appealing to audiences. Please do recommend any living speaker you think comes even remotely close to Terence's insane capacity for language. I know, tall order, but someone has to have this amazing skill down who happens to have interesting things to say..
@Yasumi Ⓥ one of Teal Swan's spirit plants is a datura stramonium ❤️ 🦄
@@thinking_iris Have you tried dhatura? I want to know more about this genus called Stramonium. Can you pass some knowledge.
@@Sketcher86 yes I've tried datura many times 🙂.
I couldn't tell you how it differs from the other types of datura so far I've only done stramonium. Generally its considered more stimulating, it would be better to go on reddit to ask as far comparisons go if that is what you are looking for??
We call it chamico in chile, it grows in my back yard naturally
Lol! Holy shit imagine running into someone at a Mexican open market and halfway into a seemingly normal conversation you find out that they’re not only high as fuck but he thinks you’re just chilling with him in his apartment.
These plants grow by the hundreds in my fields. They were brought there through hay over the years. Very beautiful though.
As one guy once said about datura, 'beware of wisdom you did not earn'.😊
Respect this plant
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I would love to try it one time under supervision, maybe have a video camera on to record too
It will damage your kidneys if you do it wrong. Best not to try.
It can cause permanent blindness even if you were to happen to unwittingly camp and sleep under the plant and the pollen got in your eyes. Not to messed with . Trust me I have been maliciously been poisoned with it on two occasions.
@@classygary I was opening the seed pods and smelling them before and got a little dose lol. Yea don't mess with it. Sensitivity is due to anticholenergic reaction.
he seems to be scared of losing grip... yet at the same time he said "The truth does not require your participation"
Datura is one hella of buzz holy cow! Puts
one down into complete crazytown of delusion
It puts you in the astral realm...
it puts you into tired fear hallucinating mode with a dash of detachment at the end,,, may be worth it,,
least horrific account I have ever heard
I still hear his voice when he isn't there. The man must be an immortal.
My first datura experience was amazing. Not like any other trip I’ve ever had….wasn’t quite a trip but and an experience ( if that makes sense)I found it difficult find my higher self. Could not read written text including a clock no matter how hard I tried.
Second time was more like a mild trip, very mild (almost not worth it) not sure if I had built up tolerance or maybe I hadn’t prepared properly. I would not put datura in the same class as other psychedelics, like LSAs, shrooms etc IMO
How did you consume it?
We're covered in them here in Arizona in the sonoran desert!
devils weed,,
May to late September . They bloom like fucking crazy in Southern California. People see it as nothing when it is far from. Kinda funny tbh 🤣
That funking things happend with me , i ate only 2 seeds , in short time is stopped at 1:11 am , i saw demon again and again for hours and he try to catch me on my bed , and al after the hours the time was again 1:11 , i thought I was caught in a time trap or something, after 8-9 hours of struggling I was passed out and again woke up at 1:11 , then I cried and after a various encounters with the devil like thing which had no feet only black air like human shape about 8 feet tall, finally i woke up at 3 am.. I was so happy , thanks for read.. sorry for my bad English
Unless you are a shaman prospect born in a tribe in the Amazon, save yourself a lot of problems and don't do Daturas.
I am very happy that the 5 times I did it I was in control of the dosage and I was very very respectful of the plant.
Datura will fuck you over
You are lying
@@quietworlddivers3214 why would you say that?
Well, the traditional western herbalists and cunning folk of North America are no stranger to the psychoactive use of nightshade hallucinogens like jimsonweed. An amazonian shaman or curandero should actually probably stick to ayahuasca and leave datura to the witches and sorcerers. I've taken it a number of times and to me; it seems like it’s more for power not for healing.
@@Ryan88881 i meant shaman in the broader sense of the word, anyone working with plants and know them deeply. And some Amazonian tribes do use datura (flowers mostly)
Datura (Jimson weed in NA) makes you susceptible to the suggestions of others.
Yeah i watched a thing on Vice (i think) where they were talking about 'scopolamine' which is a antimuscarinic, kind of like Dramamine but in patch form.
Down in Central and S. America crooks, hookers, thieves etc use loose powder to 'subdue' their victims and have THEM victimize THEMSELVES, i.e. letting them into their hotels/ apartments to get robbed and making (well really just asking) them empty out their bank accts at atm's and the people don't even really remember it. Kind of like it was a dream.
@@adamcole7 So in my first book, there's a small town where a guy has the entire population dosed on Jimson extract, and had so for 40 years until the main characters come along.
@@breakawaybooks4752 that's the plot for farcry 5
You're thinking of something else, this isn't that. Literally no one would be able to deal with you on this. 🤣
Horse of a different color where does this genius find these phrases I want to be like him so bad...I'm 15 and I'm studying enthogens, metaphysics, epistemology, and plant medicine.
That’s weird just be yourself.
@@aquatichighsShut up
Stuff grows EVERYWHERE in Southern Cali. In summers, you can go 1 freeway exit to the next or. Field and not see them flourishing.. These are the ground white daturas not the hanging
I have an online friend who told me when he took it, he became a chair for hours. And that was pretty much it for him
Had some friends describe their trips to me and I’m fine with never trying the stuff!
For me, one of the more disconcerting aspects of the Datura experience was how close to home and even strangely relevant it felt in its central themes and messages. And I mean close to home in the sense that it didn't have this unconventionally foreign, exotic, 'out-there', alien vibe like the tryptamines which seem to take you to far away, mystical and exotic places and tends to more so harp on the abstract 'bigger picture' stuff like spacetime and the soul and all that. The datura realm, overall felt much closer to baseline reality and our normal terrestrial plane. Very sort of, ‘in the weeds’ and herbalistic. Almost like it has more ‘practical’ potential in normal day to day perspectives (sort of like cannabis). It's not about the cosmos like mushrooms, it's more… botanical and naturey. It’s indistinct, malefic, magic-like and has this whole archetypal sense of ‘cunningness’ and empowering the feminine and lusting after magical advantages and vitality through the use of plants and preternatural forces. There also seems be even deeper, underlying, wortcunning themes of “concocting” and mixing baneful, poisonous antidotal plants together to favor mortal outcomes and how this all relates back to the herbal, ascetic, mysterious, but also disturbing and eremitic nature of witchery and black magic. The left-hand path. Additional plants being needed alongside nightshades is a fairly big part of the experience on an archetypical level.
In contrast to psilocybin, the archetypes of Datura are actually rather conventional through the eyes of traditional western lore and are technically, less unfamiliar to western culture than the jarring, cosmic/elfin tropes of DMT-Mushroom induced journeys through hyperspace. Much of Datura’s themes, at least on a surface level do have a documented precedent and cultural relevance in the west thanks to longstanding, historical use of similar plants in the Old World such as belladonna, henbane and mandrake. These specially mixed preparations I alluded to before were called ‘flying ointments’, which started trending in the Late Middle Ages among those who worked with plants and medicines and then they became even more popular and detailed by the Early Modern period. As many know, sorcery and magic isn’t foreign to the western mind like psychedelic shamanism is, unless we go way back to the Greco-Roman Eleusinian mysteries, but even then it’s still fairly dissimilar. Think about all the dark, morbid, fantastical, malevolent and superstitious connotational associations you get in your head just when you hear the term witchcraft; that's basically what the datura experience is. An occult-themed trip that’s all about magical power, herbs, the underworld and self-interest. Creatures, ghosts and daemons. Not really a healing, spiritual or even particularly dignifying trip unless you use it in its original form just as an ordeal poison for ascetic reasons such as the the renouncing of worldly pleasures and hedonism or taking up hermitry and nomadic dwelling and so on.
The reason witches in the Early Modern Period, in places like New England were commonly depicted in art pieces as being nude was because, being that they were in New England rather than in Europe, they didn’t have wolfsbane to add to their flying ointments. Ointments which contained Datura stramonium (jimsonweed) as their main ingredient were used heavily in magic and hexing but would often cause a tremendous overheating which was too much even on a spring night in Rhode Island or Massachusetts so they would just take their clothes off. That’s also why many people who die on datura actually drown in bodies of water, because they were simply trying to desperately cool down but were apparently too flustered and far gone to even swim right. In Europe this was less likely as they often incorporated the eurasian plant; Wolfsbane, which was put in place and added to the recipes to have an antidotal-type effect on the heart rate number one, but also to have a cooling effect on the body. On its own, wolfsbane could cause fatal hypothermia, but balanced out with a feverish, temperature-raising nightshade like jimsonweed it could conceivably workout. The recipes still remain the same to this day.
Damn, you explained it really well. It sounds really cool and does make sense the way you explain it relating to witchcraft. I'll stay away from datura though. That's a damm guarantee lol
@@emin4704 Thanks, glad someone read it. I did feel the need to revise it though ha. I also want to point out that since we're on a McKenna video I found Datura to have a "Logos" as well, just like psilocybin. To compare, I found the psilocybin entity or intelligence to feel very off-world and alien, but also androgynous and child-like or youthful. The presence behind the datura experience though felt clearly just female to me but elderly.. and malicious. Or at least malicious at first but there's been occasions where I would literally describe her/it as snarling and hag-like. I mean that in the most respectful way possible of course, but still. She's formidable.
@@Ryan88881 I must agree with you on the Logos psilocybin mushrooms posess lol. One example I had that matches with your explanation was when I was peaking on about 36 grams of fresh mush I had( I have a very low tolerance personally aswell lol ). This was about 1.5 months ago now.
As I was peaking and smiling all throughout the experience with the crazy visuals enveloping beneath my eyes, I all of a sudden actually got jumpscared by some sort of goofy looking face that popped up in my peripheral vision. The funny thing is, is that this happened when I thought about the entities, I think that's why it spooked me. Really makes you think if the mushrooms do carry some sort of conciousness with them. Is it my subconcious that made it popup, or does the mushroom actually have some sort of innate intelligence/character? Very intriguing stuff... I'm not that experienced yet with psyches so I can't really delve as deep into this as you I'm certain.
It's honestly also very funny to try and explain this to someone who has never done psyches XDDD I'd sound like a lunatic hahaha. I did it once and all they could ask me if the things I saw were like demons or whether I was scared or something.
Other then that, I had to laugh about the face that showed up because it didn't seem like anything malicious to me. Even now I can only feel some sort of playful vibe from that. It was very funny though and was probably the craziest trip I had to date ( not because of that face perse tho xD )
@@Ryan88881 What you write about datura is really good. I wonder sometimes if she really is malicious or its that we hold that nature inside of ourselves. Once we learn to be more open and loving perhaps datura is never malicious, lets not forget she also has a loving caring side to her
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This guy was sooo ahead of it all.
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That painting is so beautiful
Yah did twice... 1st time. Even 24 hours after. I saw soldiers hiding and running through by backyard ivy... Completely and absolutely separates you from the reality you are in, at least in your mind. I think can be used safely at low doses but not a full on experience
It's s shame that Terrence had a bad time with Datura; it's a beautiful plant, but it requires patience and experience, like Salvia.
Can you explain yourself please? I only know bad stories regarding datura and salvia
@@giovanniciancaglini5720 i've never had a bad salvia experience but it's definitely very strange and you have to have a good hold on yourself and be insightful or you'll start to spiral very quickly. i would try very hard to remember that i was on something and that it would pass in 15-30 mins or so if things even started to go south at all. also the trick is to get 20x and use a very very small pinch with weed and gradually add more salvia into the bowl until you start to feel strange and then you stop. less is more. it's a bad idea to use strong salvia/a lot of it. i just ended up talking to my lava lamp both verbally and telepathically asking it to tell me the secrets of the universe and had a "realization" that we're all in a simulation. however i did not feel very psychologically well for a few days after using it. before trying salvia, it seemed evil to me. in my experience salvia has kind of a trickster energy like a jester, but it is not evil.
and resilliance to scary things,,,
@@giovanniciancaglini5720 u need extreme care and caution, its very hard to dose, and thus very easy to fling yourself into an mental asylum a hospital or both. not something you toy with
@@giovanniciancaglini5720 One must not consume Dhatura..smoking dry flower will give you a nice feel just like cannabis indica. If you increase the dose gradually, you will have some profound experience. Here is a couple of genus to try with..Dhatura Brugmansia Suaveolens Pink Flower or Dhatura D metel Purple Flower. Dhatura can clear out blockage in your spine. You should know how to use it cause these are powerfull tools for mind provided by mother nature. In ancient times, Shamans both in east and west used this plant for mental illness and physical illness.
I once dropped some weed on one of these bushes and when I smoked the nug that fell on this plant I lost sense of myself for about an hour, I was hiking when this happened and I didn't know how to get back to my car. It's dangerous because it's easy to loose sense of reality and go on panic mode, I was ok but I can see how people can flip out possibly die from panic. Be careful with this stuff.
It grows like crazy in hog lots and other farms If pigs and goats won't eat then that should tell you something. Don't mess with it
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How many seeds should I take for 1st trip?
The duration of this video is 4:20.
Correction: 421😉
Where is this from sounds interesting
The talk
If any substance is “demonic” Datura is the closest thing to it
Love the background art
When it comes to me, I'll try it.
If not, also fine 😂🙏🏽🌌
The first 25 seconds are oft repeated, but rarely the source is cited
30 seconds in thinking damn this guy is smart
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I remember the story of Juliette.
The woman that wasn't there .
That ending was cool hadn't heard it before.
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I can relate to when he said I'm not for it had that experience on certain substances
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Fantastic!
I've been eating datura seeds in increasing amounts for the past month, but haven't had a trip yet..
You’re commenting this from the resource room in the loony bin
@@atom6922 lmao
I don't know if you're still using it, but to anybody reading this comment: don't take it too often, deliriants give people dementia in the long run. And the info is legit
i met a clerk at a liquor store today who noticed my Ram dass shirt and turns out he wasn’t a fan of terence mckenna… what is my point? idk
Why did you disassociate with the Abraham Hicks material? I miss a video badly :'(
Datura will make you never want to ever do drugs again.
Have you released the song thats in this video
Yes,
We Plants Are Happy Plants - Warren Commission
@@wpahp i searched for it and cant find it. Might be tucked away in one of your albums.
Ethan Johnson it’s definitely up on youtube but it’s on spotify as well, i think it’s on the album Rainbow Collection: Blast From The Past
I read a trip report where a guy was smoking cigarettes that weren’t there, and then when his fingers came together he thought he had dropped it and would spend 30min looking for it on the ground then resume smoking cigarettes that weren’t there. Rinse and repeat.
The classic thought loop
That’s a common hallucination with datura. Smoking cigs or joints that aren’t there, even if the person is not a smoker.
@MollyMcBooter no rlly i never new.trip reports always speak of it in most cases captain obvious
How many seeds is safe for trip
@@statuvideos7469 i would say dont do it at all if u have morning glorys that grow in the area i would go 4 them but…2 each there own
Don't you hate it when ghost come through the window with large news print.
man i wish i could have met him.
Macropaul6
True datura enjoyer
Anyone has more information of why the wierd bodily position happen. Is it a possession?
Without going into much scientific detail, datura has anticholinergic effects which block acetylcholine.
Acetylcholine has a role in contracting muscles
I am from nepal and I got my first and last datura at grade 11
Most of Ghost stories experience you hear or watch are based on Datura trip
what is the music in the end?
warren commission - we plants are happy plants
thanks! 🙏
There easier experimental paths out there that wont kill you. I can relate to your account though that stuff can dial in the crazy and leave you in doubt at the same time, really is pretty weird. Border line food poising for days and very blurry messed up vision. Massive nope for anyone the stuff is really toxic.
My first shroom trip was very similar
Nah man Datura and shrooms are worlds apart
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I only know about it from reading Carlos Castaneda.
‘You mean this isn’t my apartment ! ‘
Only Terence Mckenna would have a good trip on datura