Off road recovery fail. We didn't make it
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- We attempted to recover the rig from the search and rescue mission, but ran into problems. Our biggest issue was the weather. It was a very strange mix of being below freezing temperatures, but also raining, while in 4' of snow. The snow was soaking up the rain and becoming very heavy, then freezing as it packed into the tracks. It started to cause issues with the sprockets slipping and we had to keep stopping to dig out the tracks. We probably COULD have made it, but with no second vehicle for support, and no chance of the other vehicle being able to make it out even if we did reach it, we decided to play if safe and turn back. We are currently working on a new plan.
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Thank you for being honest enough to post the jobs you have to walk away from. Huge respect.
I wouldn’t consider part 1 a fail. Yes the customer’s truck is still out there but you did rescue the customer and that matters most.
Definitely the right move. I’ve been driving 4x4’s since I was 10 years old and my dad owned a large ranch. I’m 66 now and I learned early on that you’ve got to know when to stop. I live in Montana and conditions like that are a recipe for disaster. Very wise to keep survival gear with you and even wiser to not have to use it! Good call!
My Day used to say, "A MAN has to know his limitations"! I think that was a very wise move Casey! Kudos for giving it a try.
Earl Harrell.
I'd call that a tactical withdrawal, rather than a fail. Rain on top of deep snow is the worst of all snow conditions to deal with. On a positive note, it will make for a decent, hard base when it gets cold again and freezes, provided the rain soaks down enough that you don't just break though. Drone footage was amazing! Great to know your steering woes were resolved too. What you have learned from all this will pay off big time going forward. Looking forward to your SUCCESSFUL third try!
Yeah we're planning a round three this weekend after the temperatures fall back down well below freezing. Once it started raining while we were out that deep it was time to turn around and bail
@@CaseyLaDelle snow cat mission?
Good remarks. May I add that when you got to customers vehicle, then the temperature dropped below freezing, before you got out. You now know your vehicle limits, good call! Kudos on the drone!!
Absolutely solidly put.
"He that fights and runs away, lives to fight another day."
In your case, "He that drives and turns around lives to drive another day." Tactical withdrawal is a great description and very accurate:-)
Casey you are never a failure ! You are an incredible young man and a one in a million today that is willing to go the extra mile to help others . Many times out of your own pocket with no pay .
Good call on the turn around. I appreciate that you don’t just show when things go perfect. It is also great to see real world experience with these tracks.
You've made the right call Casey. No need to risk it for a vehicle. If all else fails that truck will still be there after the spring thaw!
Everyone is alive.... the car isn't going anywhere.... no fail. Stay safe.
Discretion is the better part of valor. You did the right thing, obviously.
Love hearing your responses to all the Monday morning quarterbacks out there who probably have no idea what you actually do and what the real-world constraints are on you. Keep doing what you do and making the great video content.
Excellent drone shots! Really shows a whole different perspective. Keep up the awesome work Casey, you are really putting together some quality content.
And upload from Cascade rescue! Hell yeah!!!! That jeep you made is awesome bro just something else
Better to eat the humble pie and turn back than keep going and wish you had! 100% good call
Absolutely this is not a fail by any means. With the conditions that you are dealing with you made the right decision. You are out and safe and returning home at the end of the day , this is a HUGE WIN in my book.. Thumbs UP to you Casey. I am glad that I came across your channel the other day. I have some catching up to do..
By definition it's literally a failure. The problem is people have somehow decided that failure in life isn't okay. It's absolutely okay and a normal part of progressing in life. If you're not failing at something, it's because you're not doing anything to challenge yourself. This guy is willing to take risks in the real world (and post it publicly) and that means there's always a chance of failure.
We need more people like him.
@@mediocreman2 exactly!! very well said
Honesty and practicality make for good decisions.
This video was extremely informative. I've been wondering about the limits of these tracks in snow. I think this is a reasonable limit to where you'd need a snowcat.
In these two videos you've learned a lot. One how much gas tracks use and what heavy wet snow does. It's answered a lot of my questions about tracks. Thank you for the videos 🦅🇺🇸💪😁👍
Just wait until you his solution!
Good move! Best tool you have is the one you consistently demonstrate in your videos, your common sense.
Playing it safe with just a little risk, keeps it entertaining! Good call, will watch part 3 later lol
Excellent drone footage of your rig and the area! That was some amazing snow to look at as well. Looking forward to seeing the resolution to this one.
Good call. The conditions you found on this trip show just how dire the situation was about to become if the first trip didn't get him out of there.
like the customer said, even your zj with tracks is up to the diffs in the snow. that means the axles of the customers rig would be under the snow for the whole trip back and you would have to tow it out for miles wich would be a nightmare in these conditions.
I'm glad you guys turned around. My heart was pounding like crazy watching you guys go through that deep snow.
I bet that big green 4 wheel skidder is possibly coming to mind , smart move in turning around. Thanks for sharing.👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Exactly what I was thinking.
Having done SAR for years you are the priority. Backup vehicles are always a good idea, bit not always available. You will want the snowcat back for these deep snow conditions. Keep it real. Be safe. Love the vid, maybe think about ram assist steering with good cooler for those tracks. We jave a cow calf pair stranded in conditions like this. Dreading going after them.
In earlier videos he shows driving with the standard steering system and it was hard to steer. Then he put in a ram assist with a pump and it worked fine until this first recovery and it was overheating. In the beginning of this video he said he had just replaced those parts. And it looks like that took care of the steering problem.
Did you get 'em?
Cool to see a recovery channel in Oregon. I'm over in Eugene and have often thought this area needs an offroad recover guy. I'll keep you in mind when out that way.
Stumbled upon this channel…and immediately addicted :) love it. And can’t wait for the final outcome on getting that stranded 80 series back off the mountain. Loved my triple locked 100 series, but wouldn’t dream of taking it up there. Anyway, shout out from Michigan.
Wise decision. Better to be safe than sorry. Andi, it's a good excuse to come back with bigger equipment. Round 3 should be quite interesting.
Round three is being planned as we speak
@@CaseyLaDelle this will be awesome round 3 here we come glad your feeling bit better too casey
@@CaseyLaDelle kick ass
@@bbur75 Just make sure it isn’t your own ass!
If anybody failed here was that person for taking the chance of getting stuck.and he did..you are a hero period 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪 stay safe out there man 🙂🙂
GOOD CALL
And for all the critics out there........
Back off for a bit......
Cassey has already gone thru the thought process before ya-all and plans ! And there is always a learning curve !
Would like to meet ya some day Cassey !
👀 🤔 👍🏻
Mr Casey Glad you were able to get the customer. Thanks for sharing and stay safe.
Casey you absolutely made the right call. I live in deep snow country of Colorado so knowing when to turn around is often life or death. When the tracks were caked up with deep wet snow it was the right time to retreat. THEN I saw that the differential was dragging through the snow I was concerned that maybe on the way out you had a very good chance of running out of momentum and getting permanently stuck! For those viewers who not used to deep snow... when a vehicle gets buried in sand, mud or snow up to the frame of vehicle all the extra friction of the undercarriage can easily grind a vehicle to a stop and then getting again is almost impossible without another vehicle or a winch.
Good call - looking forward to Part 3 -
Wonder if part 3 will include mounting a plow on the front?
Had opportunity to put Casey's recovery wisdom to practice this morning, While driving home from a night of plowing doing 15-20 under the speed limit as the roads where still not good on a 6 lane outer city loop I spied a 1/2 ton pickup trying to pull a SUV from a ditch. I am thinking I am in a F350 with plow 90gal of diesel in the back along with 500lbs of sand for ballast I should have the weight advantage, 2-30' snatch straps and Amber strobe lights. I wished them good luck and safety as I kept driving home and went to bed.
Never a fail when you learn something and are still alive. Bless you for trying.
The answers to all the key board experts are perfect. I would love to see what they have in their vehicles? Riley’s drone work once again great. Foot note in Australia the diesel 80 series have 38 US gallon fuel tanks.
My God i think what you do is awesome. Thank you. I'm in Texas. But, can just feel the desperation someone must feel in that scenario. Bless you
That is soooooooo much snow! Super impressed how well the Jeep and tracks handled that super heavy snow. clearly you had to check how much snow there was to see if the extraction would even be feasible. Better safe than sorry. Easier to go back later than stuck now. So glad you found Matt on rescue 1. #2 was not a fail, it was attempt. Hopefully the 3. time will be the charm for the rig. Your video was awesome. So neat to see the drone footage. Bud Nixon's snowcat is a beast. that would be a rad collaboration.
It’s great to see how in-tune you are with what your equipment is doing. It’s truly an extension of yourself, kind of like Ironman.
Success not failure! Knowing when to turn around is Success. Living to fight another day is success.
It’s not a fail! Everyone is not hurt and only the truck is sitting up there waiting for the recovery. No one else can get up there but you and maybe your friend with the snow cat. Good luck!
Glad you are there to help those guys out that get stuck off-road
You did right calling the rescue. Very smart.
Not an average problem for "a day in the office". Beautiful scenery; but certainly nothing you want to get stuck in. Time to phone a friend.
Good idea to turn around .Better safe than getting stuck . At least the you and the customer is safe. Thanks for sharing.☺️☺️☺️👍👍👍👍
Smart move to turn back & the Jeep looked seriously cool making the run!
It was not a fail rescue you rescued human beings that's the number one thing you're a good man
I think it was the smart decision to turn around!! That is some crazy weather up there!! Can't wait for the next video!! Stay safe yall!!
Much better to be safe than sorry. You had nothing to apologize for. Gotta be smart in situations like that.
Great video. What beautiful scenery. I don’t even remotely consider this a fail. You made a great attempt. And made the right decision based on the situational circumstances. What about Matt? (MORR) He has a snow cat. I know he is in another state, 100’s of miles away, but this might be a good opportunity to put all of this equipment to its test. Maybe you could build a sled or skies for the vehicle you have to tow out. Or fabricate a light weight snow plow to cut the snow down to a manageable height on the way back. Recovery of this vehicle is now going to be a major task/project. A couple of snow mobiles will be very useful. They can provide extra supplies. A do a full recognizance to the vehicle. Of course there is always the spring thaw. Great spirited attempt. Even better decision making. Seems like the new steering pump and cooler solved the previous issue. 👍
Thats what I was thinking a lightweight V plow just to pack it down less deep not really plowing.
I sure do like Matt's off road and I know he does snow rescues but I'm from ny and absolutely love watching you do snow rescues or at least attempt them. Keep um coming
Still Amazing how good that thing is in snow!😮. You guys got a real dump! We did as well here in Calgary, Alberta.. Cool stuff keep up the good work!
SMART! It’s always hard to battle summit fever, but it’s always smart to turn back if you need to.
I remember seeing several track systems with a ski type appendage in the front of the front tracks to direct and pack DEEP SNOW. This might help the Jeep in those conditions.
I saw that at the beginning of and throughout Santa Clause Is Coming To Town (I think).
it wouldnt work the jeep is 4x4 and needs all 4 wheels so to speak pulling
@@jays106 I wasn’t inferring replacing the track with a ski…only a ski like tip in FRONT of the track to pack and track the snow.
nice Drone footage...
Safe & SMART Move. Know your limitations!
Dang! This just makes me want to know how the Bombi would do compared. Even if you made it the remaining 7 how the.. NO... not worth the broke parts and the possible risk to your life. Dude will have to wait till spring I bet now. The forecast is for a huge winter this year. Sure hope he's got AllState and was prepared for Mayhem.
I recently got into 4x4 here in Oregon. Have adventured my entire life but never really got a real 4x4 and have been loving it. Great watching your local videos!
Casey you know your limits. That was a good decision. I wondered even if you got there how would you get the vehicle out through that deep snow. Which got me to thinking and it seems far-fetched but I wonder if someone could fabricate a sled that a vehicle could actually be put on and sled out of these areas. It would have to have Runners on the bottom to keep it tracking straight. it could be made out of aluminum with two rails for the wheels to sit on and cross rails to connect them much like your Dolly system. Someone could start out building a small one for sleds and four-wheelers as a test bed . Sometimes good products start out with crazy ideas. But with your Fab skills maybe you could think of something. Think dog sled. Small rails, High weight capacity.
Sounds heavy
You made the right call! It's not a fail, a fail would be to continue on and something goes wrong that could put you and your customer in a dangerous situation!
You and Bud together is going to be a cool vid. Pretty sure I've unknowingly learned Russian watching him over the years lol.
He's a super cool dude!
Good effort and a sound decision to abandoned the mission.
I would suggest installing a plate, something like a hub cap over the inside of the track where the snow
is piling up to keep the snow out. Perhaps a plate that could be bolted on. It would need some thought, but
I am sure you can come up with something.
As others have commented, no fail here. You are both alive and uninjured so that's a win for sure. As far as extra gear you may need to carry extra wiper blades if you don't already. I'm not a rescue guy but have done plenty of 4wheeling. Nothing like watching your wiper blades come apart on a trail far from anywhere and it's snowing/raining. I admire your intelligence and can't imagine the money you have already spent on that rig and supplies.
Casey I have a set of dominator XL's on my 1999 cherokee limited. My best tip for turning is to give it more gas and to turn at speed. Otherwise turning at slow speeds puts a lot of strain on the steering. If the snow is packed down enough I like to have the tracks be sliding a bit when I go into a turn. You'll instantly feel how much easier it is to move the wheel.
Two things 1- Great video scenes and good decision on turning around. 2- Surprised there were no snowmobile tracks. In Wisconsin there would be many tracks up, down, and across a road like that with fresh snow on it.
Beautiful drone shots !
I am so happy to hear you are prepared for the elements if necessary. Whoever called you dumb is rude. I totally understand why you ran out of fuel. I am just happy you all got home safe.
That was in part 1.
Do they make gigantic diesel snowmobiles? Might be ideal for this type of work. (Or maybe a swarm of ten electric snowmobile drones that can all pull one tow cable.)
In this case, the snowcat that I had would have been ideal, but I sold it to buy the track kit for the Jeep. Overall the Jeep on tracks is far better for the work I need to do with it, but every once in awhile job like this pops up where a snowcat would be the way to go
"So what ever happened to Tay Zonday?" "I hear he's busy watching snow rescue videos" :D
Yah, PistenBully 600 ;) if you have to,ask how much $$ for it, you can’t afford it :)
@@OverKillPlusOne Since they are in Oregon, a Tucker is a much better choice....
That's a great big Nope for this Texas boy. Was 80° plus one day then 23° the next here in east Texas. Y'all can keep it brother. Stay safe.
Hey Casey
Do you have a link to the maker of your track system ?
I would like to know a bit more about them.
I think turning around as you did was a wise decision.
You are having some great learning experiences with this type of track system.
Stay Warm, Be Safe
American Track Truck
Now I want to build a clone of your jeep and back you up, Casey. You're the man.
Awesome vid! Btw, the old-skool Sno Cats, which your trac-jeep is modeled from, have full sheet metal covers over the bogie and sprocket drives to prevent the problem you encountered. Also, your small diameter leading front idlers tend to dig in instead of ramping up and over, which is not so bad in powder, impossible in mashed potatoes snow. The Bombardier-type twin track machines position the leading idler or sprocket up high to reduce the digging effect. You really hit the limit of your technology and made a very wise call. Never want to have to rescue a rescuer. Very interesting to watch.
i wonder if he retrofit covers on his tracks to help with the snow packing up on the wheels?
@@ziggystardink9389 Could work, but snow might also accumulate through the track cutout windows. Or perhaps if the tracks had larger internal snow clearing lugs like snomobiles do. When the snow is that wet and packable, not much you can do. Add a little slush, and you're not going anywhere.
@@SC-yx6wr Tucker made a snow cat just as you described. The tread holder was made without cutouts, so snow won’t pack in. I remember these from the ‘60 when I skied a a little place in central northern NY called Snow Ridge. They got something like 200” of snow a year being in the snow belt off Lake Ontario. I found a cool video showing the same basic cat... ua-cam.com/video/AP6BNgS5pSE/v-deo.html. I think Casey said in an earlier video he had a Tucker, so he probably knows about these, but he said that he went this way with the Jeep for the versatility.
@@ziggystardink9389 nope 🙂
@@Eddie07S I skied Snow Ridge back then too . . . last time we made the drive down there it was closed. so sad we were.
Love the drone footage of the gorgeous peaceful pristine forest :D
Spring is around the corner. Just wait until the snow melts and try again. :)
That won't be until mid April up there
@@CaseyLaDelle Well that might have to be the "price of stupidity" he has to pay!! GREAT WORK ANYWAY!!!! 👍 👌
So one of the failures that is common with these snowmobile track kits is what you were pointing out when you were clearing the tracks out. In deep snow they get packed and lift the tracks up enough so that your drive sprockets slip (if you rewatch the video when you were turning around you can see them skipping inside the tracks). Eventually this leads to a total failure where the vehicle won't move.
We camped with a friend who had a set of the snowmobile track setups. In the morning when we went to leave he tried to pull out but the tracks froze and the drive sprockets on the tracks got ripped off. 4 new tracks for 2400 bucks at a snowmobile shop and 3 days worth of work in 5+ feet of snow and we got him out.
Was a huge nightmare and we learned a valuable lesson as well.
I am glad you turned around. Looking forward to the snowcat rescue mission to get his rig.
I live in Colorado and I would’ve done the same thing. You Gotta know when to fold them sometimes. Hey, did you shoot that drone footage yourself while steering with your knee? I have a UA-cam channel and I have had to do that before. Or did your customer fly it?
Autopilot feature.
You gotta know when to fold'em" is almost a Colorado mountain safety must ive been on a few rescues that only happened because the person we were rescuing didn't know when to turn the fuck back
@@nkill6 Rule number 1. Don't become a victim.
@@AaronHarper im Colorado through and through aways proactive never the victim
@@nkill6 Montana, living in Colorado, Same.
ALWAYS let someone know where you are going. And YES STAY WITH YOUR VEHICLE!!!👍
Smart move 🐱 Good luck 🤞
Love seeing the ZJ platform out there kickin ass.
I do wonder what the long term durability of the track system will be. Can anyone tell you what is most likely to fail in service so that you can at least consider what spares to carry if field repairs are possible. Its a wonderful tool but is it robust enough?
Right. All good points and questions!!!
Probably because of the tracks but it pulled up on the sidebar the UA-cam channel Ambition Strikes and this guy Riley and his wife Courtney, built their OWN tracks for a Jeep! They bought an Off Road Jeep while they lived in California and built tracks for it cuz they're moving to Idaho and I'm wondering how the similarity is between the tracks if the guy totally designed them himself green scratch, or if you know he just designed it off ones like these and I wondered about breaking down you know they say
"An overstressed structure has way of relieving itself but wouldn't you really rather do it yourself?":-) that's supposed to be the number one rule of engineering according to science fiction writer Dean Ing, author of a great post testing novel Pulling Through.
Rubber tracks are possibly the most unreliable thing on the planet. Neat and fun but I wouldn't ever trust my life or a customers life to them.
@@lifelinefabllc they are getting much better and just the fact that this guy is in Reverse pulling it because I put the lot more attention on the tracks and he's pulling a full size truck with a trailer they must be pretty strong
The tracks on Casey’s Jeep are made commercially. Anyone can buy them. Casey has a video of his trip to buy them. They are novel so they easily become the focus of the “how reliable are they” questions. But, anyone who drives a car knows how unreliable every part is on them. The computers fail, transmissions fail, axials break. With tires aired down, they can pop off the bead. Any one of these things can leave someone stranded. This is why things need to be maintained and inspected before being used, then, as Casey explains, have a contingency plan if something does break when on a job.
@@yungdolphin9130 how many miles in wet snow did he make it before they were useless? What if you were 20 miles in the Backcountry and it warmed up. Kind of like what happened two nights ago? I have been around rubber tracks in commercial and ag use for a long time. They are not reliable.
Seems like good decision making and not allowing egos get in the way. Sure glad you are safe. That little girl needs a daddy like you
I wouldn't call it a fail I would be calling it very smart smart definitely not available you both have your lives
100% The right decision and shows a good level of expertise, people come first after all.👍
There's always spring time 🤣
A safe withdrawal was better then not being able to get back out. Keep up the good work.
Great work out there Casey! Smart to turn around! He may have to wait until spring to recover his rig. Your drone shots were fantastic! Did you put in a stock steering pump or an upgrade?
Best to live another day. I could never walk out that far as an old guy . Good call.
Any chance you can fabricate some snow deflectors or something to keep the snow from packing into key areas of the tracks to the point where they would compromise the tracks? Maybe a bracket clamp that bolts to both sides of the differential on the axle that has wings/deflectors that cut through snow and channels or blocks enough of the snow away just so it can't get so packed? This is great content by the way. Lookin forward to the continuation of this.
I commented a bumper plow. Something low and wide with a "V" that incorporates into the bumper and winch.
@@shannonp4037 I wondered about a plow controlled by the winch as well but I wasn't sure if it would get in the way of driving out there for approach angles even at full height or get in the way of the winch for some angles on recoveries even if dropped down. If incorporated into the bumper, I don't know if it would be low enough to do the job but high enough to not smack a rock or stump.
Wow, super awesome and intense video to watch. Especially for an ole southern boy like me from South Texas - where the only snow we see is on videos like this.
I enjoy your videos a lot ! Nothing wrong with turning around ! If I had a nickle for every time I did, I'd be rich !
What you need is a small snowcat that's got a blade on the front God bless you for what you do and keep safe
Why don’t you build kind of like wheel covers but for the tracks so that you don’t have snow getting in there.
You can plan the recovery but you can't predict the weather. Excellent call on turning around. Not worth getting stuck in the dark and potentially it becoming a life threatening situation. Look forward to the following vid 😎👍👍
It’s all fun and games until you have to eat your friends!
There was a couple from San Francisco that got stranded in a snow storm in Oregon, the husband decided to go for help after two days I believe, he died of exposure but his wife and children stayed with the car and were found and rescued. STAY WITH YOUR VEHICLE!!!!
Looks like a job for a big plow, blower, or springtime.
Seems to be a well designed snow vehicle , just keeps going even with the snow as deep as it was , awesome.
Best to try again then to be stranded
Darn....I know the Jeep is really versatile, but do you have any regrets selling the snow cat?
Nope, the Jeep is far better for the majority of what I need to do. Of course there will be situations like this where a snowcat is the way to go and in a perfect world I would love to have one, but having both just isn't feasible
@Gary Sullivan that would be handy lol
Your videos are waaaay better than anything …… !! God speed!