Importing guns in 1945: "Hey sarge, i picked up this stg off of the massive piles of captured guns, can i have it?" "Eh sure whatever" Importing guns in 2020: "hey can i-" "no"
there are no illegal versions unless its stolen or something like that second amendment also this is "legally" (what the corrupt government/stupid people think of as "legally") not actually legally or not
@AdBlock plus Nothing illegal about buying a BMP, although you might have to jump through some hoops and a tax stamp or two to get one with the autocannon still installed. But still very doable. Tanks and other AFVs are very much legal to buy in the US and they go up for auction all of the time.
Customs: Sir, this is a firearm. You need a permit for the importation of firearms into the US. Ian: Here is my rejected application for permit due to it not meeting the requirements of a firearms, further proof it is an antique. Customs: You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
TBH if this were my passion, it'd be more about the building of international connections any way I could - the internet is a wonderful thing, as are conventions/trade shows - and being willing to make this my 'money-hobby' for lack of a better term. For example, I built and continuously upgrade a gaming computer, which has easily cost me five thousand dollars over the past seven years. If instead I did not care so much about this, I could easily afford to do this import process to acquire some C&R weapon I found out about. As with most non-trivially expensive things, it just all depends on how much of your expendable income you are willing to dedicate to any given passion project.
As an 03 ffl holder I got so happy when you said I could import guns, my happiness was then destroyed when the small detail that surplus military guns can’t be
The reverse permit idea is a great idea. Having a piece of govt paper saying you dont need a permit is pure gold. Trying to explain why you DON'T need a permit to a government official who has no education and got the job because they needed to fill a quota is hard to do.
It has the same vibe to it as figuring out how to do something in a video game that the game isn't programmed to let you do. "What if I put it in a chest and take the CHEST through the door? Aha!"
Very helpful, Ian. I have been trying to import several firearms from family in Germany. This is by far the best explanation of the process. Thank you!
There is a company in Maryland that dose exactly that,i just got one a few weeks ago and it was lay less then the cost he explained plus really no hassle
@@ForgottenWeapons ian please do a P226 X-five video lol,i just got one brand new from sig Germany using this process a few weeks ago and have older generation ones that were here in the US before the German import ban,they are a modern firearm forgotten on the US market and are absolutely amazing.
Interesting subject. I think some people have done in Finland what you talked about at 4:04, and brought arms from Russia via Israel. There's some cool stuff being made in Russia that people everywhere would probably love to have especially in the US.
It's too bad russian guns are not importable to the United states without being on the vra agreement list which the government conveniently hasn't updated since 2004 I wish the NRA would tell trump to remove the vra list so we can import any firearms from Russia without restrictions
Ian "This is probably the dryest video we've ever done..." SpongeBob in Sandy's Tree Dome: "WAAAAAAAAAAATERRRRRRR" 10/10 would listen to Gun Jesus' Gospel again.
Fascinating! I went through this process 20 or so years ago for an Australian Sportco M44 target rifle, and the "Custom Broker" step was FAR easier. Seller in Australia (with copy of my Import form, and his Export form) shipped it UPS. It was stopped by Customs, stamped "Inspected", and delivered to my door by UPS (I was an FFL then). The rifle cost me $180 USD ( $300 AUD at the time), and $100 for shipping.
@@spraynpray Probably being sarcastic. Also, it is our right to bear arms, but importation of weapons is a privilege and not a right; sadly. The ATF and the state department could easily just refuse all importation.
I am somewhat considering moving to the US simply because of how big of a gun nut I am. Gun laws in my country are absolutely ridiculous. It’s either impossible or very hard to get access to any sort of firearm, which heavily conflicts with my enthusiasm for guns. It also helps that have love and admiration for America in general aswell.
I imported an FN49 from Canada about 20 years ago. I used Big Valley Gun Works in Montana as the importer. I paid the seller and put them in contact with the importer. The importer took care of export and import procedures and customs fees. The importer then shipped to my local FFL. The process took about eight months. It was the only way to get an FN49 that had been issued to the Belgian Army.
Thanks heaps. We have a friend in Switzerland with access to surplus rifles and we thought - "Wow - it would be great to get one!" Not so much. You have enlightened and informed - again. Thoroughly enjoy all your content.
This is timely information. I was just thinking about how I could get my hands on a Zastava M07 chambered in 7.62x54r, as Zastava USA doesn't seem likely to bring those rifles into the US any time soon.
@@Cacowninja Brazil. It's absolutely impossible to own a gun here. It's a whole lots business you need to go trough, similar if you want to have a fully automatic gun in US. It involves a lot of money too. Also the price of a 250 bucks handguns in US is 7.000 bucks here. Bolsonaro don't have the guts to change anything.
This sounds a lot like what I found for taking a hunting rifle from the US into Manitoba Canada for a weekend hunting trip. I didn’t go hunting in Manitoba.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm trying to import a VZ 58 and 7.5FK BRNO PSD from the Czech Republic that I plan on buying when I go on my vacation there. There's a gun UA-camr from there who talks about and I've been talking to him about it. He says they're very permissive and I found a consulate website that says they literally honor our state permits to carry by paying a $20 fee and filing a paper to have them issue me a Czech one. You've gave me a bunch of stuff and let me know things I didn't know about on the US end and logistics end that I can use to get my task accomplished. Especially the fact that a normal FFL can pay for the permit specifically for occasional guns a customer wants to import. The hardest problem is getting the serial numbers ahead of time so I'm going to see if I can find a company that would store the gun for me while I wait for the process to complete since clearly I'd only get the number once I'm there to make the purchase.
About 15 years ago I bought a Prescott Navy (Civil War) from Leisctershire in Great Britain. The seller put it in a FedEx box and I received it in about a week. No hassles at all. Bought an 1866 Winchester from Belgium, .went to custos at ABQ International Airport and picked it up. Antiques are a LOT easier and cheaper to buy this way.
My only experience with importation happened about 16 years ago. A customer who had moved from Canada wanted to import his own rifles. The group was a mixture of sporting and mil-surp. Some of the items were approved by ATF and some were rejected. All the rejects were mil-surp, but at least one of the approved rifles was mil- surp, so that criterion alone was not controlling. Eventually, the approved items were shipped to LAX. My boss went there to claim them. Customs would not release them to him. He explained the situation to the supervisor and showed the ATF approval documentation. We're not ATF, the supervisor said, we're Customs. We don't care what ATF says. He drove back empty-handed and got in contact with ATF, who replied, essentially, we're ATF; we can't control what Customs does. So he embarked on a phone back-and-forth with bureaucrats at both Customs and ATF until he climbed the ladder to the point that he got decision makers from both agencies who could mutually approve the deal. So then he went back to LAX and was able to get the rifles released. The upshot was that the importation was possible, but it was too much of a hassle to be worth repeating. When I opened my own gun store, I had a customer or two ask me to facilitate an importation, but I declined, given the memory of the previous one.
They are getting more picky on the 5 year letters. At least with commercial imports, ATF may ask for storage/shipping documentation to prove it has been there for that duration.
"What was recommended to me (by the ATF) for importation of an antique Lebel, was to apply for an import permit KNOWING it will be rejected, because when it is rejected, it will be returned stamped 'Firearms does not require a permit'. Then, you have a formal piece of government paperwork stating you don't need a permit." US Government efficiency at it's finest!
Not all semi-autos meet the features list for the '89 ban. I just read a 1989 NY Times article that specified by name that the Valmet Hunter (AK variant without pistol grip supplied with 9rd mags) was not covered by the import ban. Also many rimfire rifles. Your STG-58 probably won't qualify for import. But some semi-auto hunting rifles probably would, if they're not covered by other import bans. www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us/import-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.html
@@ForgottenWeapons I wish there would be definite answer for this. As I have heard and read that even banned makes, say like civilian semiauto Norinco 56s, could be legally imported to USA if you can prove the gun had been in "good "country for say like a decade? So not from Russia and need to be civilian owned etc. I have not asked alphabet gang about this and they tend to have different info anyway sometimes depending on an agent, day or if moon is in Uranus etc. I know a place outside of USA where I could get dozens of used, legally purchased decades ago, banned-in-USA makes, easily tracked that they have been in civilian hands. But since can't find any 100% reliable info...And who would want chinese crap in USA anyway...
Great info video, on my tv you tube i saw your all about colt , best firearm video , keep it up. I liked all the details you included, from his early start to his worker treatment and finally the corp, take over.Thanks
That's something I'm interested in... at some point I would like to drive out West from the Northeast, but without having to go through the whole Chicago/Detroit/MadMax part of the country, so I could take a detour through Canada around the Great Lakes. Question is, how do I do that with firearms, and if so, what kinds?
@@moosemaimer most times no one really knows or checks as long you have them locked away I've driven cross country with pistols in my car from New Hampshire and no issues, most states you just drive through the border stations. Now going into California they stop you they just wanted to know if I had any fruits or vegetables😆 They are worried about bringing in bugs that can ruin their crops.Even on my motorcycle I got stopped and asked about that going in from Nevada to California.
Ian, could you do a video on export from the USA. Disregarding the import process. My example is in Norway, when you apply for a license it does not matter where in the world the gun comes from. But sometimes the export from other countries are the challange
@@theobuzat9091/videos On the Fr-F1 video the gun clearly has a different barrel, different bipod (at least mounted differently), different handguard, still has iron sights, etc. In this video he calls it the FRG2, and with the same style of bipod as the Fr-F2 I have no reason to doubt him.
@@jubuttib But is it his rifle? Because his rifle his a Fr-F1, not a Fr-G2, I don't agree on the fact that the muzzle brake is different, the bipod is the same as far as I can see. Handguard seems similar and the barrel well looks the same. And tes you're right it doesn't have iron sight but....is it important ?
@@theobuzat9091/videos No real idea if it's his or not. The Fr-F1 in the zeroing video has a completely different bipod mounting system, the bipod on that mounts to the lower portion of the handguard, whereas on the one in this video the handguard has a cutout at the top and the bipod is mounted to either the barrel or something surrounding the barrel, the bipod itself in the Fr-F1 video is completely different (different top, bottom and middle parts compared to this one), the handguard itself doesn't have grooves cut into it in this one unlike the older Fr-F1 video, and there are no iron sights on this one. If it's an Fr-F1, it has an Fr-F2 style bipod mount, but lacks many of the features of the Fr-F2 on the handguard and barrel. He calls it an Fr-G2 in the video, and since it matches neither the Fr-F1 or the Fr-F2, I'm willing to take his word for it for now.
Please don't joke about that sort of thing. This is probably one of the riskiest videos that Ian could have posted given UA-cams stance on anything involving firearms.
I am not sure if they do it internationally however UPS and FedEx both ship guns all the time I know because I have worked for both and delivered guns for both companies.
Someone may think that is complicated..But i can assure it's much easier than getting a license to buy a 22cal. pistol with a short barrel (pocketgun,here in Finland)
I really enjoyed your video. My brother and I have both been victims on very serious violent crime. In the one incident my brother almost lost his life. We live in Canada and the restrictions and hoop after hoop in trying to get a firearm is not only completely insane but unattainable for us. Not because of any criminality but just simply the laws we have. We understand and in most cases agree with the restrictions but in comparison to the U.S we stand a better chance of winning a lottery. It is completely unnerving and downright terrifying to know we could be a target of a random violent crime again at anytime. Again thank you for sharing your experience and time. Sincerely…The Northern Brothers…
Say there is a certain pistol in Canada but due to presidential executive order they cannot be commercially imported, would you still be able to import it as an individual? Like say a Norinco p226 clone in 7.62 TOK
I wish their was a way but all Chinese firearms except shotguns and c&r sks from Albania are banned from import. Only way we would get a Chinese pistol is if the NRA tells trump to remove China from the arms embargo list clinton added them to.
@@johnstacy7902 George Bush sr made a ban on American firearms to china in response to tenumin square not a ban on imports from china. It was us congressman Ed Markey who convinced bill clinton to ban the imports because he called mak 90s and sks " cheap weapons of war on our streets" if you dont believe me Google it he is real proud of his ban
So skip the K31 and find an STG58 because those are super expensive in the US but fairly cheap in switzerland but that might get shut down by the bush ban
A video on the markinga the importer needs to apply to the fire arm would ve very intresting. I am assuming they are the same as required on mil surp that is brought over in bulk. Also how could the markings be applied to limit the damage too the value of the gun
Governments sell 100,000 automatic weapons willy-nilly and yet the average guy has to run naked, on fire, through the streets, at noon rush hour, just to import a single bolt action rifle. Sorry Ian. It's not directed at you or your excellent channel. Also, I like the rifle in this video.
EXCELLENT JOB EXPLAINING A NIGHTMARE. NEVER GOT MY GUN. STILL HELD BY CUSTOMS 5 YEARS LATER. IMPROPER PAPERWORK FROM ORIGINATING COUNTRY. NO FIX, A PISSING MATCH.
That sure is a stupid exception having a C&R license e not be able to fill out the forms to import a milsurp rifle when That's the basis for why we have that license. I wanted to import several Russian SKS rifles into the US from Canada for a long time but it's just too cost-prohibitive by the time you do everything. One of those 1949 dated Russians sure would be nice
You won't be able to import a Russian sks because the sks is not on the vra list of approved guns to the united states any guns made in Russia not on the list are banned from import. Fun fact the Democrats made this list in 1996 because the sks was such a popular rifle they need to find a way to ban them and the list is how they did it.
Years ago my Brother-in-law was serving with the US Military in East Asia, and he bought a lever action rifle that had either been made in or assembled in that country. He thought he got it at a good price, and the store selling it assured him they would handle the necessary paperwork to get it to his parents in America. It took over a year and three trips to Long Beach, the Port of Entry, before they finally took possession of the rifle, and in the end they could have bought several rifles of that type at their local gun shop for less money.
What if i own guns in a country (italy) and i want to bring them to the US in a state that allows them in their current shape? (29rd mags, telescopic stock, 14.5 inch barrel, surplus urss/nato guns)
@Disobedient Nomead infact i want to know the legal way to bring them in the US, i won't be able to sleep at night knowing i did something wrong/criminal
Very helpful thank you for the information, trying to import a single shot shotgun that was my fathers has a lot of sentimental value to me as it was given to me as a gift.
I live in Scotland, currently fed up with the bans and restrictions on firearms to the point I'm seriously considering moving to the US so I can take part in a pistol competition without having to travel to another country to do it. This is great information thanks.
@@rogerjohnson8707 and Jim I would love to. But the UK is currently excluded from the green card program. My intention is to earn as much money in this country as I can before I do move. I dont want to take anyones job. Immigrating legally is a slow process but its better doing it the right way, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite.
@@RobotDCLXVI Page 18 of this: travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Diversity-Visa/DV-Instructions-Translations/DV-2021-Instructions-Translations/DV-2021-%20Instructions-English.pdf Basically tells me not to bother trying this year.
Thanks for this video. You explained quite well a subject I have read on but yet never been able to quite grasp. I've kept a C&R FFL for quite a while and always wondered how importing a firearm would work. Now I have a much better idea of how to do it (basically, call Polaris; a little more money spent is better than risking screwing it up myself) .. and that it's WAY outta my price range! LOL. ;) That said, what a freaking hassle to go through just to spend your own money on an item and bring it to your door! Sheesh! We may have, overall, in most places, the best gun laws in the world, but some things really need to be eased up. I can see careful overseeing of large importation companies to ensure each gov't gets their due [eye-roll] but for we common folk, I don't think .gov is gonna miss any three martini lunches if they ease back on the fees and restrictions. --- Okay, off me soap box. :)
This is really good video considering how many times your gun videos are made in auctions. Someone might make gun purchase just because of these videos :D
Probably a different process since you already own the firearms in question. Probably want to e-mail the Bureau of All Things Fun and Exciting about that.
@@colinmoriarty Well currently I only have a deactivated Swedish M/96 pattern Mauser produced in 1916. I was thinking more down the line as I start to collect some actual live guns.
@@internetbodhi1009 In the US they do Dewats count as firearms. Basically if it was once a firearm it's always a firearm unless it has been destroyed in accordance with ATF regulations, which if I remember right is something like 3 diagonal cuts fully through the receiver with a plasma torch that removes like 1/4 inch of material with each pass.
Importing guns in 1945:
"Hey sarge, i picked up this stg off of the massive piles of captured guns, can i have it?"
"Eh sure whatever"
Importing guns in 2020:
"hey can i-"
"no"
LitMonika
LMAO 🤣🤣 😂
Ww1 was worse those guys stole everything not nailed down
@Ezequiel Ridolfi to the good old days
We need a president to reverse this law so we can import modern guns from other countries
Imagine all the old guns that are getting destroyed over in the Middle-East, that could of been saved if our soldiers could just bring'em home.
Can't wait for the illegal version ☝️☝️
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_War
🤣
☝🏽that is pure gold right there 😂
there are no illegal versions unless its stolen or something like that second amendment also this is "legally" (what the corrupt government/stupid people think of as "legally") not actually legally or not
@@user-yv2cz8oj1k🤦🏻♂️
I'd like to order a ZU-23.
good choice
Jeremiah Johnson
Perfect weapon for the next boogaloo!
@@ForOne814 Just play ArmA 3, you can have all you want
@AdBlock plus Nothing illegal about buying a BMP, although you might have to jump through some hoops and a tax stamp or two to get one with the autocannon still installed. But still very doable. Tanks and other AFVs are very much legal to buy in the US and they go up for auction all of the time.
@@ForOne814 Mount it on the new bullet proof Tesla Truck for the ultimate post-apocalypse look. Mean and Green!
Ian, As a 01 FFL, I want to commend you on this excellent exposition of the importation regulations and process. Thank you. DG
13:46 "Here is your permit to not have a permit"
Beurocracy 101
"I'm sorry, this requires a _negative_ permit."
"How do I get one of those?"
"You would have to have had one revoked already."
"???????"
😂 You have the form? Well.... we need the yellow version of that form.
Thomas Iverson OI You got a loiscense for that permit
Customs: Sir, this is a firearm. You need a permit for the importation of firearms into the US.
Ian: Here is my rejected application for permit due to it not meeting the requirements of a firearms, further proof it is an antique.
Customs: You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Before watching:
I bet it’s by having shit loads of money.
After watching:
Money or not, that sounds like a gargantuan pain in the ass.
That's why gun import companies exist.
It still sounds like the more you pay the more the pain is handled by someone else.
TBH if this were my passion, it'd be more about the building of international connections any way I could - the internet is a wonderful thing, as are conventions/trade shows - and being willing to make this my 'money-hobby' for lack of a better term. For example, I built and continuously upgrade a gaming computer, which has easily cost me five thousand dollars over the past seven years. If instead I did not care so much about this, I could easily afford to do this import process to acquire some C&R weapon I found out about. As with most non-trivially expensive things, it just all depends on how much of your expendable income you are willing to dedicate to any given passion project.
That's the whole point of gun regulation. We only want the rich to have access to firearms, because the hoardes of riff raff aren't worthy.
@@jwilli726 The Rich and the Politically "Well Connected"/"Well Endowed"
The day I move to USA from South Africa, I will refer to this video to get my guns to my new home.
Davy Jones 👍🏾
@@ffarmchicken we need smart one the current bunch near me are rather thick
Just pack them in with your other stuff you'll be taking in that big 20ft container.
You can buy better guns here
Woot woot! What state are you coming to?
When are we getting "How to import guns in to the U.S illegally" Video?
Wa!? Totally not shady.....
Just like symmetry.....yeah that's it....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_War
Forgotten Weapons oH. Not what I was expecting 😂😂
lol beat me to the punch
@@ForgottenWeapons in before youtube deletes the comment
"Hey guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons That Fell Off a Truck."
My fbi agent is definitely feeling pretty sus about me watching this video.
"What's he doing, Gary?"
"Sick bastard is gonna pay the government thousands of dollars for a legal gun import."
As an 03 ffl holder I got so happy when you said I could import guns, my happiness was then destroyed when the small detail that surplus military guns can’t be
I mean getting a better ffl (for a lack of better word) is only a matter of extra paper work and some money.
next video:
"how to import guns into the US (illegally)"
Video: *Ian staring dissappointedly into the camera for 15 minutes*
With Mexican music on background 😂
Do NOT import K31 ! They are crap !
(leave them for us in Switzerland...😁)
Nice try Mr. Toto...nice try.
Lol
The reverse permit idea is a great idea. Having a piece of govt paper saying you dont need a permit is pure gold.
Trying to explain why you DON'T need a permit to a government official who has no education and got the job because they needed to fill a quota is hard to do.
It has the same vibe to it as figuring out how to do something in a video game that the game isn't programmed to let you do. "What if I put it in a chest and take the CHEST through the door? Aha!"
"How to Import Guns", or as it's also known: "How to having to deal with TWO countries bureaucracy. (waiting years might apply!! ;) )
Very helpful, Ian. I have been trying to import several firearms from family in Germany. This is by far the best explanation of the process. Thank you!
There is a company in Maryland that dose exactly that,i just got one a few weeks ago and it was lay less then the cost he explained plus really no hassle
Better watch this quickly before UA-cam takes it down lmao
Thanks a ton for this! Mateba 2006m, here I come!
Is this your way of flexing that you now own an FR-1?
Lives in Australia, watches video anyway
Jamie Tus Dane except im 14
*same
Yup
you can dream
Can he do a video on how to import to Australia XD
I am a type 7 and was asked about this today. I had no answers for him, but Now I do. Thanks bud!
This video was fantastic. The UA-cam firearm community needs more videos like this. Concise and informative.
Thanks for the information, since my family may be moving to the EU for a while and would like to bring back what we aquire there
There is a specific consideration for US citizens living abroad who want to bring gun(s) back into the US.
@@ForgottenWeapons Very interested in what this consideration is.
@@ForgottenWeapons
What about exporting to Italy?
I'm both an American and Italian citizen. I'm in Italy now.
@@ForgottenWeapons ian please do a P226 X-five video lol,i just got one brand new from sig Germany using this process a few weeks ago and have older generation ones that were here in the US before the German import ban,they are a modern firearm forgotten on the US market and are absolutely amazing.
Next video "How to Import Guns into the US (Illegally!)"
See your local drug cartel.
@@shawnr771Your local drug cartel is more interested in illegally exporting guns they bought in the US, not the other way around.
@@MrAnonymousRandom Yes, the CIA does it all the time.
Interesting subject. I think some people have done in Finland what you talked about at 4:04, and brought arms from Russia via Israel. There's some cool stuff being made in Russia that people everywhere would probably love to have especially in the US.
But what if I DO wanna be sneaky sneaky cheeki breeki
Civillian SVDs, VSS rifles, new AK-12 rifles (but in US this would require parts kit I guess).
It's too bad russian guns are not importable to the United states without being on the vra agreement list which the government conveniently hasn't updated since 2004 I wish the NRA would tell trump to remove the vra list so we can import any firearms from Russia without restrictions
@@ForOne814 are you Canadian if you are dont worry ar-15s are overrated in fact lots of the budget ar-15s on the market are made using Chinese parts.
Francis p. Not overrated,sucks ur poor
How about I just hire former AG eric holder to facilitate my firearm import, he has experience moving guns across international borders.
I might go through this to rescue an Enfield L42A1 with transit chest that a relative has in his collection overseas. Thanks Ian!
Ian "This is probably the dryest video we've ever done..."
SpongeBob in Sandy's Tree Dome: "WAAAAAAAAAAATERRRRRRR"
10/10 would listen to Gun Jesus' Gospel again.
but he lives in a pineapple under the sea....he's surrounded by water
FFF Tech could i import a norinco type 81 out of canada
Dry or not, definitely an interesting video - and one I'm saving for future use. Huzzah!
4:33 Perfect chance to say sneaky breeki and you missed it.
v damke? ua-cam.com/video/BnTW6fZz-1E/v-deo.html
@Omne Obstat ua-cam.com/video/QIjKijhv1OU/v-deo.html
Fascinating! I went through this process 20 or so years ago for an Australian Sportco M44 target rifle, and the "Custom Broker" step was FAR easier. Seller in Australia (with copy of my Import form, and his Export form) shipped it UPS. It was stopped by Customs, stamped "Inspected", and delivered to my door by UPS (I was an FFL then). The rifle cost me $180 USD ( $300 AUD at the time), and $100 for shipping.
this is a reasonable, not restrictive, and not unconstitutional whatsoever, process. thanks ATF!
@@spraynpray Probably being sarcastic. Also, it is our right to bear arms, but importation of weapons is a privilege and not a right; sadly. The ATF and the state department could easily just refuse all importation.
@@richard1165when did private trade become a privilege? That makes no sense in a free republic.
I am somewhat considering moving to the US simply because of how big of a gun nut I am. Gun laws in my country are absolutely ridiculous. It’s either impossible or very hard to get access to any sort of firearm, which heavily conflicts with my enthusiasm for guns. It also helps that have love and admiration for America in general aswell.
Did you do it
Move to Pakistan guns there are alot better and cheaper
I love these weekly information dumps. Thanks Ian!
As a non American, that video was mostly Mandarin to me. Yet I enjoyed watching it.
That's quite the superpower you have there, Ian.
Dry video? No way! One of the most informative ones made. Good Job.
I imported an FN49 from Canada about 20 years ago. I used Big Valley Gun Works in Montana as the importer. I paid the seller and put them in contact with the importer. The importer took care of export and import procedures and customs fees. The importer then shipped to my local FFL. The process took about eight months. It was the only way to get an FN49 that had been issued to the Belgian Army.
Thanks heaps. We have a friend in Switzerland with access to surplus rifles and we thought - "Wow - it would be great to get one!" Not so much. You have enlightened and informed - again. Thoroughly enjoy all your content.
Me: Tries to save money this month
After video: I’ll have two MAS-49’s, a type 99 sniper, a C96 with extra strips...
This is timely information. I was just thinking about how I could get my hands on a Zastava M07 chambered in 7.62x54r, as Zastava USA doesn't seem likely to bring those rifles into the US any time soon.
Excellent work Ian, and incredibly helpful for the ABC's of how to do this.
In my case I would like to import guns from the US to here lol.
What country are you in?
@@Cacowninja Brazil. It's absolutely impossible to own a gun here. It's a whole lots business you need to go trough, similar if you want to have a fully automatic gun in US. It involves a lot of money too. Also the price of a 250 bucks handguns in US is 7.000 bucks here. Bolsonaro don't have the guts to change anything.
@@GunsNGames1 just get one from the favela
@@honzicc speaking the truth...
Guns N' Games what about 3-D printable guns?
Lol I love that disclaimer
Most impressive part is how you said & remembered all of that without notes!
I love these type of videos you do. You make it so simple to understand man.
This sounds a lot like what I found for taking a hunting rifle from the US into Manitoba Canada for a weekend hunting trip. I didn’t go hunting in Manitoba.
Thank you so much for this video. I'm trying to import a VZ 58 and 7.5FK BRNO PSD from the Czech Republic that I plan on buying when I go on my vacation there. There's a gun UA-camr from there who talks about and I've been talking to him about it. He says they're very permissive and I found a consulate website that says they literally honor our state permits to carry by paying a $20 fee and filing a paper to have them issue me a Czech one. You've gave me a bunch of stuff and let me know things I didn't know about on the US end and logistics end that I can use to get my task accomplished. Especially the fact that a normal FFL can pay for the permit specifically for occasional guns a customer wants to import. The hardest problem is getting the serial numbers ahead of time so I'm going to see if I can find a company that would store the gun for me while I wait for the process to complete since clearly I'd only get the number once I'm there to make the purchase.
About 15 years ago I bought a Prescott Navy (Civil War) from Leisctershire in Great Britain. The seller put it in a FedEx box and I received it in about a week. No hassles at all. Bought an 1866 Winchester from Belgium, .went to custos at ABQ International Airport and picked it up. Antiques are a LOT easier and cheaper to buy this way.
I'm from Finland and probably never going to import a firearm to US. I still watched it from start to the end.
Not dry at all. I watch your channel to learn things. Thank you.
Some must have solved it by saying, Look what Great grandpa brought back from the war! :)
Like Edwin Sarkissian, almost all of his guns are war time "bring backs" from his "grandpa".😁
My only experience with importation happened about 16 years ago. A customer who had moved from Canada wanted to import his own rifles. The group was a mixture of sporting and mil-surp. Some of the items were approved by ATF and some were rejected. All the rejects were mil-surp, but at least one of the approved rifles was mil- surp, so that criterion alone was not controlling.
Eventually, the approved items were shipped to LAX. My boss went there to claim them. Customs would not release them to him. He explained the situation to the supervisor and showed the ATF approval documentation. We're not ATF, the supervisor said, we're Customs. We don't care what ATF says.
He drove back empty-handed and got in contact with ATF, who replied, essentially, we're ATF; we can't control what Customs does.
So he embarked on a phone back-and-forth with bureaucrats at both Customs and ATF until he climbed the ladder to the point that he got decision makers from both agencies who could mutually approve the deal. So then he went back to LAX and was able to get the rifles released.
The upshot was that the importation was possible, but it was too much of a hassle to be worth repeating. When I opened my own gun store, I had a customer or two ask me to facilitate an importation, but I declined, given the memory of the previous one.
They are getting more picky on the 5 year letters. At least with commercial imports, ATF may ask for storage/shipping documentation to prove it has been there for that duration.
Really enjoyed the deep dive into the process. Very informative.
"What was recommended to me (by the ATF) for importation of an antique Lebel, was to apply for an import permit KNOWING it will be rejected, because when it is rejected, it will be returned stamped 'Firearms does not require a permit'. Then, you have a formal piece of government paperwork stating you don't need a permit." US Government efficiency at it's finest!
This might be one of the more interesting videos I've watched in a while. Thanks Ian.
I'm guessing it goes without saying that the '89 import ban applies to this. So I couldn't import an STG-57 as an individual?
Correct.
Not all semi-autos meet the features list for the '89 ban. I just read a 1989 NY Times article that specified by name that the Valmet Hunter (AK variant without pistol grip supplied with 9rd mags) was not covered by the import ban. Also many rimfire rifles. Your STG-58 probably won't qualify for import. But some semi-auto hunting rifles probably would, if they're not covered by other import bans.
www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us/import-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.html
Ahhh, so because of the 89 ban, an L1A1 is still not possible even as a C&R. Sad.
@@ForgottenWeapons I wish there would be definite answer for this. As I have heard and read that even banned makes, say like civilian semiauto Norinco 56s, could be legally imported to USA if you can prove the gun had been in "good "country for say like a decade? So not from Russia and need to be civilian owned etc.
I have not asked alphabet gang about this and they tend to have different info anyway sometimes depending on an agent, day or if moon is in Uranus etc.
I know a place outside of USA where I could get dozens of used, legally purchased decades ago, banned-in-USA makes, easily tracked that they have been in civilian hands. But since can't find any 100% reliable info...And who would want chinese crap in USA anyway...
This is a great set of content. I think its a great piece for the channel too. Not dry
Great info video, on my tv you tube i saw your all about colt , best firearm video , keep it up. I liked all the details you included, from his early start to his worker treatment and finally the corp, take over.Thanks
Maybe you could do a vid on traveling internationally with a firearm (e.g. taking a hunting rifle to Africa or a target rifle to Europe).
Perhaps eventually, but I have not actually done that myself.
That's something I'm interested in... at some point I would like to drive out West from the Northeast, but without having to go through the whole Chicago/Detroit/MadMax part of the country, so I could take a detour through Canada around the Great Lakes. Question is, how do I do that with firearms, and if so, what kinds?
I think Karl touched on that last Finnish Brutality, saying something like it's a pretty bad logistical time for all.
@@moosemaimer, I had this thunk too, looks like a bad time unless sks, www.thoughtco.com/laws-for-taking-guns-into-canada-3321846
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most times no one really knows or checks as long you have them locked away I've driven cross country with pistols in my car from New Hampshire and no issues, most states you just drive through the border stations.
Now going into California they stop you they just wanted to know if I had any fruits or vegetables😆 They are worried about bringing in bugs that can ruin their crops.Even on my motorcycle I got stopped and asked about that going in from Nevada to California.
Do importers like century arms and arms of america go through the same process when acquiring romanian or polish ak's for example?
Ian, could you do a video on export from the USA. Disregarding the import process. My example is in Norway, when you apply for a license it does not matter where in the world the gun comes from. But sometimes the export from other countries are the challange
This was a great video. Thanks for taking the time Ian :-)!
Casually sitting behind a FRF1
nope it's an FR_G2 made from mas 36 for french air force
@@ljmtac Actually all Fr-F1 are made from a Mas-36 receiver. And actually, he did a video of zeroing it, and in the title, Ian wrote Fr-F1
@@theobuzat9091/videos On the Fr-F1 video the gun clearly has a different barrel, different bipod (at least mounted differently), different handguard, still has iron sights, etc. In this video he calls it the FRG2, and with the same style of bipod as the Fr-F2 I have no reason to doubt him.
@@jubuttib But is it his rifle? Because his rifle his a Fr-F1, not a Fr-G2, I don't agree on the fact that the muzzle brake is different, the bipod is the same as far as I can see. Handguard seems similar and the barrel well looks the same. And tes you're right it doesn't have iron sight but....is it important ?
@@theobuzat9091/videos No real idea if it's his or not. The Fr-F1 in the zeroing video has a completely different bipod mounting system, the bipod on that mounts to the lower portion of the handguard, whereas on the one in this video the handguard has a cutout at the top and the bipod is mounted to either the barrel or something surrounding the barrel, the bipod itself in the Fr-F1 video is completely different (different top, bottom and middle parts compared to this one), the handguard itself doesn't have grooves cut into it in this one unlike the older Fr-F1 video, and there are no iron sights on this one. If it's an Fr-F1, it has an Fr-F2 style bipod mount, but lacks many of the features of the Fr-F2 on the handguard and barrel. He calls it an Fr-G2 in the video, and since it matches neither the Fr-F1 or the Fr-F2, I'm willing to take his word for it for now.
Thanks.... was thinking of Buying 2 1897 Winchester 1886's out of Canada... this helped a Bunch.
I am desperately seeking to import Tzar bomba a cool 50 megatons. Strictly for personal use .
Always wondered about this! Thanks for taking the time, awesome to know!
Can you make one about illegal import?
Do you want Ian to get Zucked off UA-cam?
Just put the gun in a cannon and shoot it into the US
Please don't joke about that sort of thing. This is probably one of the riskiest videos that Ian could have posted given UA-cams stance on anything involving firearms.
I've gone to Canada and forgot I had guns and ammo in my car. I didn't end in jail...
So I live next to Canada so I can Buy an SKS on the cheap and bring it back!!!!
I am not sure if they do it internationally however UPS and FedEx both ship guns all the time I know because I have worked for both and delivered guns for both companies.
Someone may think that is complicated..But i can assure it's much easier than getting a license to buy a 22cal. pistol with a short barrel (pocketgun,here in Finland)
I really enjoyed your video. My brother and I have both been victims on very serious violent crime. In the one incident my brother almost lost his life. We live in Canada and the restrictions and hoop after hoop in trying to get a firearm is not only completely insane but unattainable for us. Not because of any criminality but just simply the laws we have. We understand and in most cases agree with the restrictions but in comparison to the U.S we stand a better chance of winning a lottery. It is completely unnerving and downright terrifying to know we could be a target of a random violent crime again at anytime. Again thank you for sharing your experience and time. Sincerely…The Northern Brothers…
Dry, but an interesting look into something that I never knew a thing about. Thank you! I learned something today
Say there is a certain pistol in Canada but due to presidential executive order they cannot be commercially imported, would you still be able to import it as an individual? Like say a Norinco p226 clone in 7.62 TOK
I wish their was a way but all Chinese firearms except shotguns and c&r sks from Albania are banned from import. Only way we would get a Chinese pistol is if the NRA tells trump to remove China from the arms embargo list clinton added them to.
@@francisp.4992 that was Bush Sr.. youd still have to get your Canadian PAL
@@johnstacy7902 George Bush sr made a ban on American firearms to china in response to tenumin square not a ban on imports from china. It was us congressman Ed Markey who convinced bill clinton to ban the imports because he called mak 90s and sks " cheap weapons of war on our streets" if you dont believe me Google it he is real proud of his ban
@@francisp.4992 ok. Still I built an PSA 47 for $400 so I guess it's a wash..
Thanks, I have an antique revolver I wanted to import from France, I have own for many years, you are clearing up a lot of unknown.
Be nice to ship a bunch of Ross Rifles from Canada into the state's. Hard as hell to find here in the states.
So skip the K31 and find an STG58 because those are super expensive in the US but fairly cheap in switzerland
but that might get shut down by the bush ban
Good information, maybe a bit dry but a very good video none the less. I'm a big fan of your channel!
-sounds easier to repeal the 68 gca than to import an SMLE-
Though somewhat dry it was also interesting and sobering regarding how challenging the processes can be.
A video on the markinga the importer needs to apply to the fire arm would ve very intresting. I am assuming they are the same as required on mil surp that is brought over in bulk. Also how could the markings be applied to limit the damage too the value of the gun
I dont live in the us, but it was nice to hear how it works over there. very cool
I was just thinking about this very subject. Cool, thanx Ian.
Can you recommend a video explaining how to get a demilitarized firearm back to the US?
Ian how about finding some barrels or magazines for my Makarov. They are pretty. Hard to find here in the states
Governments sell 100,000 automatic weapons willy-nilly and yet the average guy has to run naked, on fire, through the streets, at noon rush hour, just to import a single bolt action rifle.
Sorry Ian. It's not directed at you or your excellent channel. Also, I like the rifle in this video.
EXCELLENT JOB EXPLAINING A NIGHTMARE. NEVER GOT MY GUN. STILL HELD BY CUSTOMS 5 YEARS LATER. IMPROPER PAPERWORK FROM ORIGINATING COUNTRY. NO FIX, A PISSING MATCH.
That sure is a stupid exception having a C&R license e not be able to fill out the forms to import a milsurp rifle when That's the basis for why we have that license. I wanted to import several Russian SKS rifles into the US from Canada for a long time but it's just too cost-prohibitive by the time you do everything. One of those 1949 dated Russians sure would be nice
You won't be able to import a Russian sks because the sks is not on the vra list of approved guns to the united states any guns made in Russia not on the list are banned from import. Fun fact the Democrats made this list in 1996 because the sks was such a popular rifle they need to find a way to ban them and the list is how they did it.
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Years ago my Brother-in-law was serving with the US Military in East Asia, and he bought a lever action rifle that had either been made in or assembled in that country. He thought he got it at a good price, and the store selling it assured him they would handle the necessary paperwork to get it to his parents in America. It took over a year and three trips to Long Beach, the Port of Entry, before they finally took possession of the rifle, and in the end they could have bought several rifles of that type at their local gun shop for less money.
This process would be perfect for me importing from Canada 🇨🇦 since I’m extremely close to them here in Warren Michigan
I want a mpt-76 it’s a Turkish rifles that started production in I think 2016 or 17 still want it.
I have always wanted a south korean k2c1 and a Swedish ak5c but it basically impossible to get
What if i own guns in a country (italy) and i want to bring them to the US in a state that allows them in their current shape? (29rd mags, telescopic stock, 14.5 inch barrel, surplus urss/nato guns)
@Disobedient Nomead infact i want to know the legal way to bring them in the US, i won't be able to sleep at night knowing i did something wrong/criminal
This was a really good video. Thanks for this.
Can we get a video on the Thompson converted to a Pulse Rifle for Aliens?
Yes, at some point. I promise.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thank you.
Very helpful thank you for the information, trying to import a single shot shotgun that was my fathers has a lot of sentimental value to me as it was given to me as a gift.
I live in Scotland, currently fed up with the bans and restrictions on firearms to the point I'm seriously considering moving to the US so I can take part in a pistol competition without having to travel to another country to do it.
This is great information thanks.
Do it. Things are generally better on this side of the pond.
Pack your bags and enjoy our freedoms till the Left seizes them.
@@rogerjohnson8707 and Jim I would love to. But the UK is currently excluded from the green card program.
My intention is to earn as much money in this country as I can before I do move. I dont want to take anyones job.
Immigrating legally is a slow process but its better doing it the right way, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite.
@@JW-YT Wow they really are trying to get rid of white people in the U.S.
@@RobotDCLXVI Page 18 of this: travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Diversity-Visa/DV-Instructions-Translations/DV-2021-Instructions-Translations/DV-2021-%20Instructions-English.pdf
Basically tells me not to bother trying this year.
Thanks for this video. You explained quite well a subject I have read on but yet never been able to quite grasp. I've kept a C&R FFL for quite a while and always wondered how importing a firearm would work. Now I have a much better idea of how to do it (basically, call Polaris; a little more money spent is better than risking screwing it up myself) .. and that it's WAY outta my price range! LOL. ;)
That said, what a freaking hassle to go through just to spend your own money on an item and bring it to your door! Sheesh! We may have, overall, in most places, the best gun laws in the world, but some things really need to be eased up. I can see careful overseeing of large importation companies to ensure each gov't gets their due [eye-roll] but for we common folk, I don't think .gov is gonna miss any three martini lunches if they ease back on the fees and restrictions. --- Okay, off me soap box. :)
This is really good video considering how many times your gun videos are made in auctions.
Someone might make gun purchase just because of these videos :D
So a Type 97 in Canada for 5 years could be imported here? I guess that would be cool if it were still cheap.
This might come in useful if I ever manage to emigrate to the United States, and want to try to ship over my guns from Norway.
Probably a different process since you already own the firearms in question. Probably want to e-mail the Bureau of All Things Fun and Exciting about that.
I’ll switch identities with you and we can switch gun collections too
I do believe it is a different process if you own them and are moving to the US permanently.
@@colinmoriarty Well currently I only have a deactivated Swedish M/96 pattern Mauser produced in 1916. I was thinking more down the line as I start to collect some actual live guns.
@@internetbodhi1009 In the US they do Dewats count as firearms. Basically if it was once a firearm it's always a firearm unless it has been destroyed in accordance with ATF regulations, which if I remember right is something like 3 diagonal cuts fully through the receiver with a plasma torch that removes like 1/4 inch of material with each pass.
Hm thanks for the run down on this process. It was very dry but useful, I will have to look into it more.