I say the wrong number in a few spots.. It's a long story, basically I counted something twice on accident and didn't realize it until late, didn't think to readjust my voice over. Uploaded the video and immediately left town to go on a trip, so I can't fix it.
Also, I swear that 94% of all reviews are from Australian/English/Welsh/Irish/Scottish people who never played anything besides the Spectrum or, (if they are young,) the XBox.
Well that's part of the charm behind don't trust anyone who needs a haircut I suppose.. I say leave em in. Don't aim for them, but don't bother to edit either.. idk though, don't trust a guy with fake teeth.
Its rather unfortunate in a lot of ways. People see AVGN as a reviewer or something, but they themselves have said many times that AVGN is just an exaggerated character that doesn't actually represent their own views about these games. Both have said in the past that they don't think Silver Surfer or Turtles are even actually bad games, I have a feeling Mike Matei likes Friday the 13th as well but I may be wrong.
One of my favorite cosplays I ever encountered was a guy dressed as NES Jason, with purple jumpsuit and teal mask and gloves. He posed with me for a photo and gave me a round sticker that says "YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS ARE DEAD. GAME OVER."
Thanks for this list! It unfortunately highlights a fact: people should stop watching angry / comedic reviews of games and take them at face value. For two main reasons: 1) Those reviews are made to be entertaining, not factual. They will probably exaggerate a lot of details or issues, and will skip boring or mediocre games altogether, since they wouldn't make for good material. 2) Those reviews usually do not explain the context in which the games were published, and as such they usually penalize games that were innovative, or ahead of their time. Critiques are a conundrum in and of themselves, because they can artificially color the public perception of a "product", and even change its legacy and memory. But at the very least, angry / comedic reviews should have the least sway because of their very nature.
Fond memories of Barbie on the NES. My little sister couldn't beat the game but wanted to see it so I set out to finish it for her. Did the same with Lion King on the SNES. Bad games can still have some good memories attached to em.
ok, this is hilarious. I rewatched the SNES video and was like "I wonder if he made anymore of these videos. And lo-and-behold, I find that you released a new one less than an hour ago.
Some of these scores will be inflated, not only because of the "AVGN factor", but also because of the "disappointment factor". For instance, imagine you're the biggest Ghostbusters fan in the world-- you watch the movies every other day, you own most of the toys, watch the cartoon religiously, eat the cereal, etc.-- and then you play Ghostbusters on NES and it breaks your heart into pieces; it's nothing that you wanted a Ghostbusters game to be. I suspect if a game *REALLY* disappointed someone, they're more likely to rank it as "worse" than some forgettable, no-name game that is deservingly worse.
the results of both this video and the snes one remind me of camwing's video on the few games to recieve the "Overwhelmingly negative" review rating on steam. In order to get an overwhelmingly negative or positive rating, you have to have a minimum number of reviews, so overwhelmingly negative isn't actually populated with the worst games on the platform, those don't get enough players. overwhelmingly negative is mostly full of games from beloved multimedia franchises, and incomplete and abandoned kickstarter games.
21:09 As someone who is in the know, the problem is that old school shmups like Silver Surfer were difficult purely because of memorization. The game is just a huge beginner's trap with hazards too fast to react, so you have to learn everything through trial and error. But once you know in advance what's supposed to kill you and how to dodge, it's not bad. Getting sent back to a checkpoint on every death is annoying, but even at the time there were shmups like Gradius with far more brutal checkpoints that practically asked you to beat the game without dying once. By the mid 90s, shmups had already evolved to not rely on raw memorization and instead actually push your skills with intricate patterns and complex scoring systems. Silver Surfer has a brutal skill floor and a low skill ceiling, while bullet hells are the opposite. It's not an easy game by any stretch of the imagination, but compared to what shmups have become, it is indeed kind of a meme. Music slaps tho
It was a terrible shmup even for the time. It came out 3 years after R-Type. It doesn't do anything interesting or new. It's just a basic af shmup with RECOGNIZABLE IP!!!! paint slapped on. Even for "memorization era" shmups its boring af. But atleast it wasn't weeabo garbage. I like my shmups to be dark and gritty, but nowadays 90% of them are uwu kawaii :3 chinese cartoon trash. Makes them pretty much worthless unless you're a coomer.
@@eightcoins4401 You could say that being able to select your stage route was relatively new for the genre. Yes, it doesn't hold a candle to R-Type, but back then very few games did. Not saying it's a good game, but the points that everyone criticizes it (checkpoints, contact damage, lack of a turbo button) were also present for almost all shmups at the time. And for an 8 bit game, it looks good and sounds amazing. Also, L take for the gritty aesthetics. People don't want to look at the same generic ships and space setting all the time.
Bad games then were so much easier to live with than bad games now. Maybe it's the knowledge that many years and hundreds of millions of dollars were wasted that makes them so hard to comprehend in the modern era, and back then it was like five guys in an office quickly throwing something together to fill out a contract. E.T 2600 was a five week project from start to finish and the poor guy worked his best to make something in that short time, like. Top notch vid, really tickling my creative senses and inspiring me to create something from up here in the arctic circle.
"They were the Children of Doom. Doom's children. They asked my Lord to lay down his sword and return to the Earth, ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave." Conan is pre-Internet meme material across the board.
The reason why Jekyll and Hyde works in such a weird way (speeding up with more happening on screen) is quite fascinating. There's a youtuber that goes by the name Displaced Gamers. He made 2 videos explaining how that game works under the hood, and it's quite unconventional, to say the least. Old games were very janky sometimes.
30 years ago my grand mom who lived like 7 hours away from me . i had no brother or sisters so when we went to visit for xmass or summer vacations , i used to play a 100 games nes casette , and see your video make me remember things i didnt for soooo long , thanks for the memories
I'd be interested if you could make a list of worst PS1 games. Lists of worst 8-bit and 16-bit games are pretty common but it's not often I see lists of terrible PS1 games.
Your videos are freaking great Jason. So glad you make all this stuff: I know you are hard on yourself but you kill it as much or more than the people you look up to
Running Score of Shit Games I Actually Liked: -Rambo: It made me feel smart finding my way around. -Destination Earth Star: I was an astronaut don't you tell me I wasn't! -Renegade: I actually beat this as a kid, and there were no guides I had either and no friends to tell me what was what because it was so unpopular. After beating it, no other beat'em up was ever a challenge ever again. -Top Gun: Fun! Figure out the landing and quit yer bitchin'! -Kid Cool: Yeah fuck that game. -Karate Kid: What an awesome game! My brother and I mastered the mini games, him the flies, me the drum thing. -Conan: My fav comics. My fav novels. My fav movies... .... ..... -TMNT: Fun game. Some jank, sure, not a bad game at all. In the water stage make sure to switch turtles if you are running low. -Karate Champ: If you know the moves, it's a great 2 player game! I can do the same move 50 times in a row. You're crazy! Moves land at a very specific distance. You have to know which move to do at which distance. 🙂 -Deadly Towers: Totally undeserved hate. It's a cryptic game, but get out your graph paper and have at it!
@@publichearing8536 Lol. I guess. It was more like I would get to rent a game for a weekend, and that was it. Have fun with it no matter what! And I was a kid I didn't know what was going to be good! Other times people would buy me games, I got about 3-4 games a year between my brother and I. So we had Karate Champ, Renegade, Top Gun, Deadly Towers, and TMNT. We also had all the Zeldas, Metroid, Marios, etc...
@@josephbradshaw6985 yeah it was that way for most folks, I guess I can remenber having fun with Gameboy games nobody in their right mind would've picked up, but they were alright to me anyways.
Super Pitfall was the first time that I truly realized that my best friend didn't really "get" video games (ultimately he grew up hating them). He thought this was a good game. I was flabbergasted when he brought it over bragging.
There's no way that Deadly Towers is so much worse than most of the earlier games in the video. I feel like the people who hate-review that game never actually made it to the bell towers to burn the bells, and simply gave up after encountering a few of the (completely optional, mind you) hidden dungeons. With the speed boosting boots + gauntlets and the double shot upgrade, the game actually becomes pretty fun because having those eliminates the biggest pain points of the game (slow movement, slow attack, and 1 sword on the screen at a time).
This guy gets it, thank you. I get why people get turned off by the game and some of it can really grind on the player. Stuff like the brutal knockback (especially when it knocks you into a dungeon, or room to room inside one) or the music loop that restarts from one screen to the next but once you actually start burning the first of the bells, the more accomplished it feels. And with those upgrades, your arc does just feel a lot better
I hope you were referring to the rendition of that song from the golf game. That's Passepied by Debussy, and it's been featured in a ton of games, was massive inspiration for the overworld tune in DQ, and was featured in Castlevania 2: Belmont's Revenge.
Tmnt and Friday the 13th are good games. It's weird to see them on this list. I thinks it's because video games are the one form of art criticism where we don't expect our reviewers to have a thorough understanding of the art they are critising. I.e. completeing a game. Imagine a movie review from someone who didn't finish the movie, or an album review from someone who only heard the album once while they were washing the dishes.
"That's why there's game right? Because there was a movie in the 90s or some shit?" 🤣🤣🤣 Oh damn that had me laughing. The TMNT 18 year comment blew my mind.
Just because Nintendo has some strict policies , that did not stop the release of so many garbage games !!! Where was Nintendo’s quality control ??? Love your reviews and humor !!!
The policy wasn't about quality - it was about keeping potentially offensive content out of nes games because they wanted to be "the family friendly" company. The xxx games were one of the deathnails of the 2600 behind the scenes.
Your comments about not knowing Gilligans Island is a borderline dealbreaker for me as far as supporting your channel.i think the show blows but as a gen xer my childhood memories have the theme song engrained into them and Ginger and Mary Ann were bangin.how could you be an American over 25 and not know more than Gilligans Islands maybe based on a 90s movie?cmon bro
43:23 just so you know cygnus destroyer currently uses they/them pronouns. anyway: very very entertaining video, and you are right when you say that a lot of games get a bad wrap solely because of the AVGN. a lot of his reviews ESPECIALLY the older ones his critiques can feel rather shallow, and while the videos are still entertaining i find myself leaving not really understanding why he didnt like the game, so i look up forum discussion to find out the game is generally well liked by people who have actually played it lol also in the future if you do more videos in this format (which i hope you do this vid was awesome) you do a small graphic showing what games were ranked where on various lists, just to give a general feel.
Oddly enough there was no Gilligan’s Island movie to correspond with, it was just because there were constant reruns. Same thing with Three Stooges and…The Adventures Of Tom Sawyer.
6:18 damn wasn't expecting such specific, obscure shade to be thrown at the nintendo nerd. get his sell out ass! screenwave media frickin sucks!!! but fr fr this video was such high quality with a great hour long length. must have taken you forever to make. it shows, great stuff. keep makin stuff like this and u gonna catch t series in subs
About Fester's Quest, it pretty much expects you to grind the gun out and keep it that way. Also in general using the gun too much is a trap, and using it against any of the bosses is a mistake because there's always a significantly more effective alternative whether it be TNT, the Whip, or Seeker Missiles. About Karate Champ, there is logic to the controls. Questionable logic, but logic. To boil it down in as simple of terms as possible, the game considers inputs as Front or Back relative to your current facing, not Left, Right, B, or A. For example if you're White and you press Right and B while facing right, you'll do a Jump. Back Kick and turn around. Now you're facing left. If you press Right and B again, you'll do a Low Kick instead. That's because Jump. Back Kick is always Forward+Back, and Low Kick is always Back+Forward. I also believe that there is a poorly conveyed defense system and that the collision isn't as bad as it seems (mostly in any case), so once you have your head around how inputs work and defense it's perfectly playable. I'm not gonna say exceptionally good or anything like that, but it does work. If you've played Donkey Kong 64 then Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde isn't the only game with speed-up that you've played.
I kinda liked Athena, but only after I figured out how to beat the first stage, which isn't obvious at all. The next couple of stages kinda feel like a playable game, until the Ice Cavern, which can both soft-lock and flat out hard-lock your game. Btw, you can shoot the 1st stage tree boss with a bow and arrow. This was a fantastic video, and I could only cmment on one game...which still kinda sucks.
Man I forgot all about Seanbaby, he really is the OG in this sphere. I remember finding his website in the 90's when I first got an internet connection.
Unfortunately, not all game developers have great staff ! This is why so many games are just awful !! Only the best developers have staff with great skills !!!
I will say, sitting down to play some Karate Champ was funny for about 15 minutes, but it's not worth ANYTHING more. Plus, sitting through Advanced Dungeons and Dragons made me go insane, that game is the most archaic BS I've ever sat through and I will probably never play it myself.
Weird that this video showed up just now. I've been reading old Nintendo power magazines (purchased completely legally as far as anyone is concerned, get off my back, Nintendo lawyers) and I've read quite a few articles and guides and tips for these games, especially Friday the 13th. It certainly gives the decisions of the developers more context. Games didn't have the luxury of explaining themselves back then but with just a little bit of information, everything becomes clearer. All it takes is a little patience, which people had more of in the 80s, unlike today when people want everything NOW.
you should actually try flying warriors. it’s nowhere near a “good game” but its blend of fighting/sides rolling/turnbased rpg def deserves a look. very ambitious game.
5:48 wow! That's a classical piano piece by Claude Debussy called Passpied, and it's the second time I've heard it in a video game! The first was Castlevania 2 for the Game Boy, where it sounds MUCH better.
I think it would be fun to see the games that got single votes, thus didn’t make the list, and see if you think it should have. I think in a lot of cases it will just be lack of awareness, but that is sort of interesting in and of itself.
I rented Dragonlance as a kid and while I admit it's not great, I also managed to finish it. I had read all the Dragonlance books prior and so it was kind of neat to see all the characters I was so familiar with.
The ending surprised me. Well played! Can we get at least the list of the only once mentioned games on these lists? Like Mega Man and the one from SeanBaby, please? 48:34 - 49:04: No, that's just wrong! Yes, the platform matters. For example Pac-Man in arcade and on Atari VCS: One is great, the other one is trash. But the standard on NES wasn't higher than on other systems. The C64 Ghostbusters IS a great game and the conversion for the NES is really bad. When it's bad, then it's bad! Also when it's great, then it's great. Period. That doesn't mean, bad NES games are pretty ok compared to other game systems. The "great is just good" could be true for the Jaguar maybe (AvP is great for a Jag game, but would be only pretty good on PS/Saturn/N64) and other systems with less than 100 games. But systems with 300, 800 or thousands of games will have really great and really bad games. So does the NES. Some of the games in this video are great and/or outright classics on 8 bit computers like C64, Spectrum or CPC: Winter Games, Infiltrator, Renegade, Bombjack, Hudson Hawk and the mentioned Ghostbusters. Bad Street Brawler (aka Street Hassle or Bop'n Tumble) is not great, but a nice, funny game. Tag Team Wrestling is considered rather bad, but i liked it on C64 back in the 90s... Others are mediocre to bad also: Top Gun, Total Recall, WWF WrestleMania, Bart vs. The space Mutants, TMNT, Friday the 13th and Karate Champ.
20:10 actually not too far off, Conan is just a reskin of a C64 game called Myth: History in the Making and the NES version is worse because theres no sweet SID tunes >:/
i liked the video overlay simpler. not sure why you switched up but I enjoyed the simplicity. It matched the atheistic of the nostalgia you're projecting. Or some thesaurus word...Shut up I watch your show enough to know that hit a cord.
I say the wrong number in a few spots.. It's a long story, basically I counted something twice on accident and didn't realize it until late, didn't think to readjust my voice over. Uploaded the video and immediately left town to go on a trip, so I can't fix it.
Be better at maths, 0/10, kthxbye
Also, I swear that 94% of all reviews are from Australian/English/Welsh/Irish/Scottish people who never played anything besides the Spectrum or, (if they are young,) the XBox.
Well that's part of the charm behind don't trust anyone who needs a haircut I suppose.. I say leave em in. Don't aim for them, but don't bother to edit either.. idk though, don't trust a guy with fake teeth.
don't trust anyone who needs a haircut
YT's editor may be advanced enough to do that at this point, no?
It’s baffling how much Mike Mattei and Bimmy influenced the NES zeitgeist
They were the things we all watched at one point.
Big Ryan fan btw
Bimmy doesn’t have time to influence the NES zeitgeist
@@charlestonson2200 Just a little, until 5:40 tops.
Its rather unfortunate in a lot of ways. People see AVGN as a reviewer or something, but they themselves have said many times that AVGN is just an exaggerated character that doesn't actually represent their own views about these games. Both have said in the past that they don't think Silver Surfer or Turtles are even actually bad games, I have a feeling Mike Matei likes Friday the 13th as well but I may be wrong.
One of my favorite cosplays I ever encountered was a guy dressed as NES Jason, with purple jumpsuit and teal mask and gloves. He posed with me for a photo and gave me a round sticker that says "YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS ARE DEAD. GAME OVER."
Thanks for this list! It unfortunately highlights a fact: people should stop watching angry / comedic reviews of games and take them at face value. For two main reasons:
1) Those reviews are made to be entertaining, not factual. They will probably exaggerate a lot of details or issues, and will skip boring or mediocre games altogether, since they wouldn't make for good material.
2) Those reviews usually do not explain the context in which the games were published, and as such they usually penalize games that were innovative, or ahead of their time.
Critiques are a conundrum in and of themselves, because they can artificially color the public perception of a "product", and even change its legacy and memory. But at the very least, angry / comedic reviews should have the least sway because of their very nature.
Fond memories of Barbie on the NES. My little sister couldn't beat the game but wanted to see it so I set out to finish it for her. Did the same with Lion King on the SNES. Bad games can still have some good memories attached to em.
Barbie NES is actually absurdly hard for some ungodly reason
ok, this is hilarious. I rewatched the SNES video and was like "I wonder if he made anymore of these videos. And lo-and-behold, I find that you released a new one less than an hour ago.
Where is your closed quote? I'm still waiting!
WHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS?
THESE ARE TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE
BUHRHBURUHBHRH
that game actually looked kinda interesting, like Metal Gear is S tier so "shittier version of Metal Gear" might still be a game worth playing
That's Sgt. Arch Dornan's father right there
The worst nes games in the age of loneliness
I see what you did there.
Some of these scores will be inflated, not only because of the "AVGN factor", but also because of the "disappointment factor".
For instance, imagine you're the biggest Ghostbusters fan in the world-- you watch the movies every other day, you own most of the toys, watch the cartoon religiously, eat the cereal, etc.-- and then you play Ghostbusters on NES and it breaks your heart into pieces; it's nothing that you wanted a Ghostbusters game to be.
I suspect if a game *REALLY* disappointed someone, they're more likely to rank it as "worse" than some forgettable, no-name game that is deservingly worse.
This is absolutely how review scores work, its part of the problem with seeing these scores as “objective”
@@SpaceFrog999"objective" game scores are a flawed concept to begin with. Half the video is basically an indictment of the concept.
the results of both this video and the snes one remind me of camwing's video on the few games to recieve the "Overwhelmingly negative" review rating on steam. In order to get an overwhelmingly negative or positive rating, you have to have a minimum number of reviews, so overwhelmingly negative isn't actually populated with the worst games on the platform, those don't get enough players. overwhelmingly negative is mostly full of games from beloved multimedia franchises, and incomplete and abandoned kickstarter games.
Home Alone has an infamous speedrun, since you can glitch the Wet Bandits and just chill for 15 minutes until the game ends.
21:09 As someone who is in the know, the problem is that old school shmups like Silver Surfer were difficult purely because of memorization. The game is just a huge beginner's trap with hazards too fast to react, so you have to learn everything through trial and error. But once you know in advance what's supposed to kill you and how to dodge, it's not bad. Getting sent back to a checkpoint on every death is annoying, but even at the time there were shmups like Gradius with far more brutal checkpoints that practically asked you to beat the game without dying once. By the mid 90s, shmups had already evolved to not rely on raw memorization and instead actually push your skills with intricate patterns and complex scoring systems. Silver Surfer has a brutal skill floor and a low skill ceiling, while bullet hells are the opposite. It's not an easy game by any stretch of the imagination, but compared to what shmups have become, it is indeed kind of a meme. Music slaps tho
It was a terrible shmup even for the time. It came out 3 years after R-Type. It doesn't do anything interesting or new. It's just a basic af shmup with RECOGNIZABLE IP!!!! paint slapped on.
Even for "memorization era" shmups its boring af.
But atleast it wasn't weeabo garbage. I like my shmups to be dark and gritty, but nowadays 90% of them are uwu kawaii :3 chinese cartoon trash. Makes them pretty much worthless unless you're a coomer.
@@eightcoins4401 You could say that being able to select your stage route was relatively new for the genre. Yes, it doesn't hold a candle to R-Type, but back then very few games did. Not saying it's a good game, but the points that everyone criticizes it (checkpoints, contact damage, lack of a turbo button) were also present for almost all shmups at the time. And for an 8 bit game, it looks good and sounds amazing.
Also, L take for the gritty aesthetics. People don't want to look at the same generic ships and space setting all the time.
shmups before the glorious TurbografX were cute but fundamentally flawed
26:45 gilligans island had so many reruns it was practically after school TV for kids in the late 80s/early 90s
There were muscle figures we collected as kids like garbage pail kids cards
Gilligan's Island was a tv show, also much older than the 90s. I was born in 81 and it was before my time even.
damn so we would need to look for fossilized VHS tapes to find something?
hearign SeanBaby takes me waaaaaaaay back
Guy doesn't get enough credit for influencing guys like Yahtzee and AVGN yet still better.
While I was watching this, I thought of Seanbaby and then you brought him up like 5 mins later. 😄
Bad games then were so much easier to live with than bad games now. Maybe it's the knowledge that many years and hundreds of millions of dollars were wasted that makes them so hard to comprehend in the modern era, and back then it was like five guys in an office quickly throwing something together to fill out a contract. E.T 2600 was a five week project from start to finish and the poor guy worked his best to make something in that short time, like. Top notch vid, really tickling my creative senses and inspiring me to create something from up here in the arctic circle.
No, its because it was one of the only videogames you owned as a child back then typically. So you had to like them.
Awesome stuff. Loved the first video. Eagerly anticipating a MD/Genesis video. There's some low, low lows in that library.
Conan is a reskinned version of an European computer game called Myth: History in the Making.
NiGHTS fan spotted 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥
I still hold a grudge against Mario is Missing for tricking me into wasting a weekend rental back in the day.
20:14 Stop right there! You need to go ahead and watch Conan the Barbarian right now. One of the best movies ever made.
"They were the Children of Doom. Doom's children. They asked my Lord to lay down his sword and return to the Earth, ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave."
Conan is pre-Internet meme material across the board.
@@analogmoz contemplate this on the tree of woe
@@helenhomunculus5044What is best in life?
@@analogmoz crumb laughs at your four winds, laughs from his mountain
@@helenhomunculus5044 Gods, that movie is perfection.
The mathematical odds Jason plays DW and is eternally grateful.
You're experience with winter games is exactly my experience in my evercade intellivision vid.
That game sucks
It's an outstanding classic on C64!
Me when Jason doesn't know who Noah is: -_-
Good vid tho. keep it up to 20 K my dude
Baby Moses apparently evolves into Noah.
Pokemon has gotten weird lately
The reason why Jekyll and Hyde works in such a weird way (speeding up with more happening on screen) is quite fascinating. There's a youtuber that goes by the name Displaced Gamers. He made 2 videos explaining how that game works under the hood, and it's quite unconventional, to say the least.
Old games were very janky sometimes.
30 years ago my grand mom who lived like 7 hours away from me . i had no brother or sisters so when we went to visit for xmass or summer vacations , i used to play a 100 games nes casette , and see your video make me remember things i didnt for soooo long , thanks for the memories
Math is physically painful for me. Thanks for your sacrifice in doing the number thingy in the name of crappy games appreciation.
I'd be interested if you could make a list of worst PS1 games. Lists of worst 8-bit and 16-bit games are pretty common but it's not often I see lists of terrible PS1 games.
There's too many of them...
Your videos are freaking great Jason. So glad you make all this stuff: I know you are hard on yourself but you kill it as much or more than the people you look up to
Running Score of Shit Games I Actually Liked:
-Rambo: It made me feel smart finding my way around.
-Destination Earth Star: I was an astronaut don't you tell me I wasn't!
-Renegade: I actually beat this as a kid, and there were no guides I had either and no friends to tell me what was what because it was so unpopular. After beating it, no other beat'em up was ever a challenge ever again.
-Top Gun: Fun! Figure out the landing and quit yer bitchin'!
-Kid Cool: Yeah fuck that game.
-Karate Kid: What an awesome game! My brother and I mastered the mini games, him the flies, me the drum thing.
-Conan: My fav comics. My fav novels. My fav movies... .... .....
-TMNT: Fun game. Some jank, sure, not a bad game at all. In the water stage make sure to switch turtles if you are running low.
-Karate Champ: If you know the moves, it's a great 2 player game! I can do the same move 50 times in a row. You're crazy! Moves land at a very specific distance. You have to know which move to do at which distance. 🙂
-Deadly Towers: Totally undeserved hate. It's a cryptic game, but get out your graph paper and have at it!
so are you seeking a help group for masochists or not?
@@publichearing8536 Lol. I guess. It was more like I would get to rent a game for a weekend, and that was it. Have fun with it no matter what! And I was a kid I didn't know what was going to be good! Other times people would buy me games, I got about 3-4 games a year between my brother and I. So we had Karate Champ, Renegade, Top Gun, Deadly Towers, and TMNT. We also had all the Zeldas, Metroid, Marios, etc...
@@josephbradshaw6985 yeah it was that way for most folks, I guess I can remenber having fun with Gameboy games nobody in their right mind would've picked up, but they were alright to me anyways.
Super Pitfall was the first time that I truly realized that my best friend didn't really "get" video games (ultimately he grew up hating them). He thought this was a good game. I was flabbergasted when he brought it over bragging.
DESTINATION EARTHSTAR is cool, the main song lulls you into a weird trance.
I really love this series of yours and I'm looking forward to you tackling other systems and libraries in a similar format.
I grew up with Hydlide and it was the coolest game to have in the schoolyard. It paved the way for Ys, which just blew our little minds.
There's no way that Deadly Towers is so much worse than most of the earlier games in the video. I feel like the people who hate-review that game never actually made it to the bell towers to burn the bells, and simply gave up after encountering a few of the (completely optional, mind you) hidden dungeons.
With the speed boosting boots + gauntlets and the double shot upgrade, the game actually becomes pretty fun because having those eliminates the biggest pain points of the game (slow movement, slow attack, and 1 sword on the screen at a time).
This guy gets it, thank you. I get why people get turned off by the game and some of it can really grind on the player. Stuff like the brutal knockback (especially when it knocks you into a dungeon, or room to room inside one) or the music loop that restarts from one screen to the next but once you actually start burning the first of the bells, the more accomplished it feels. And with those upgrades, your arc does just feel a lot better
I think those sorts of puzzle/adventure games are just an inherently unpopular genre to begin with
Muppet adventures is giving me five night at Freddy's vibes with Fozzy bear trying to rip u apart
The two Game Grumps episodes where they play Muppets Adventure is a descent into madness.
I hope you were referring to the rendition of that song from the golf game. That's Passepied by Debussy, and it's been featured in a ton of games, was massive inspiration for the overworld tune in DQ, and was featured in Castlevania 2: Belmont's Revenge.
I love this series so far. Hope you do this for more consoles in the future.
i loved the SNES one you did but i've been praying you would do this one too
Tmnt and Friday the 13th are good games. It's weird to see them on this list. I thinks it's because video games are the one form of art criticism where we don't expect our reviewers to have a thorough understanding of the art they are critising. I.e. completeing a game. Imagine a movie review from someone who didn't finish the movie, or an album review from someone who only heard the album once while they were washing the dishes.
xmen got robbed, should of been number 1
Sorry, but nothing could top Action 52 as worst NES game, because it's 52 bad games.
xmen got that distinct ljn style
my new favorite video game channel. ok like 3rd but keep up the good work up my dude..
I have said - WTF -- hundreds of times playing video games since the very beginning !!!!
Grew up with Super Pitfall. If anything, AVGN went easy with it. That game tarnished all memories of Pitfall I had from my 2600
"Can't get out of the pit by grabbing the ledge in Flashback..." 🤣🤙
1:21 its okay, hes whispering because he's so objectively wrong his parents in the living room would disown him if the heard him
I never expected to hear anybody mention the LJN Defender. I miss that guy, he was really nice.
And oh man, how did I forget about Sean Baby??
"That's why there's game right? Because there was a movie in the 90s or some shit?" 🤣🤣🤣 Oh damn that had me laughing.
The TMNT 18 year comment blew my mind.
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Actually, the item _appears_ to "explode," but it _remains in your inventory_ regardless.
Just because Nintendo has some strict policies , that did not stop the release of so many garbage games !!! Where was Nintendo’s quality control ??? Love your reviews and humor !!!
The policy wasn't about quality - it was about keeping potentially offensive content out of nes games because they wanted to be "the family friendly" company. The xxx games were one of the deathnails of the 2600 behind the scenes.
I remember getting Karate Champ for Christmas. A couple hours later I stopped believing in Santa.
Your comments about not knowing Gilligans Island is a borderline dealbreaker for me as far as supporting your channel.i think the show blows but as a gen xer my childhood memories have the theme song engrained into them and Ginger and Mary Ann were bangin.how could you be an American over 25 and not know more than Gilligans Islands maybe based on a 90s movie?cmon bro
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just so you know cygnus destroyer currently uses they/them pronouns.
anyway:
very very entertaining video, and you are right when you say that a lot of games get a bad wrap solely because of the AVGN. a lot of his reviews ESPECIALLY the older ones his critiques can feel rather shallow, and while the videos are still entertaining i find myself leaving not really understanding why he didnt like the game, so i look up forum discussion to find out the game is generally well liked by people who have actually played it lol
also in the future if you do more videos in this format (which i hope you do this vid was awesome) you do a small graphic showing what games were ranked where on various lists, just to give a general feel.
Oddly enough there was no Gilligan’s Island movie to correspond with, it was just because there were constant reruns. Same thing with Three Stooges and…The Adventures Of Tom Sawyer.
LJN was betting on gamers buying their games based on famous movies and TV shows. !!! It worked !!! Did Nintendo care ??? The answer is -- no !!
Nobody could figure out how to skate in Winter Games back in the 80's and 90's either. Don't beat yourself up over it man.
Don't forget that Athena was an arcade game in which it's better than the NES port...
6:18 damn wasn't expecting such specific, obscure shade to be thrown at the nintendo nerd. get his sell out ass! screenwave media frickin sucks!!!
but fr fr this video was such high quality with a great hour long length. must have taken you forever to make. it shows, great stuff. keep makin stuff like this and u gonna catch t series in subs
About Fester's Quest, it pretty much expects you to grind the gun out and keep it that way. Also in general using the gun too much is a trap, and using it against any of the bosses is a mistake because there's always a significantly more effective alternative whether it be TNT, the Whip, or Seeker Missiles.
About Karate Champ, there is logic to the controls. Questionable logic, but logic. To boil it down in as simple of terms as possible, the game considers inputs as Front or Back relative to your current facing, not Left, Right, B, or A. For example if you're White and you press Right and B while facing right, you'll do a Jump. Back Kick and turn around. Now you're facing left. If you press Right and B again, you'll do a Low Kick instead. That's because Jump. Back Kick is always Forward+Back, and Low Kick is always Back+Forward. I also believe that there is a poorly conveyed defense system and that the collision isn't as bad as it seems (mostly in any case), so once you have your head around how inputs work and defense it's perfectly playable. I'm not gonna say exceptionally good or anything like that, but it does work.
If you've played Donkey Kong 64 then Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde isn't the only game with speed-up that you've played.
LJN Defender was amazing, nice to see him get mentioned
Wait a minute - HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW IF I CAN TRUST ANYONE WHO NEEDS A HAIRCUT??!?
I kinda liked Athena, but only after I figured out how to beat the first stage, which isn't obvious at all. The next couple of stages kinda feel like a playable game, until the Ice Cavern, which can both soft-lock and flat out hard-lock your game. Btw, you can shoot the 1st stage tree boss with a bow and arrow. This was a fantastic video, and I could only cmment on one game...which still kinda sucks.
Some black box games should be on your list !!!!
37:53 Probably the best Nerd impression I've ever heard.
Man I forgot all about Seanbaby, he really is the OG in this sphere. I remember finding his website in the 90's when I first got an internet connection.
Unfortunately, not all game developers have great staff ! This is why so many games are just awful !! Only the best developers have staff with great skills !!!
5:40 fun fact, my dad was in the nintendo magazine for best par score for NES Golf around the time it was released.
Nice video Michele!!
"adult Moses" must just be Noah?
Yeah at level 25 baby moses evolves into noah
lol not even bothering to say anything about action 52 was the biggest twist. it speaks for itself.
I will say, sitting down to play some Karate Champ was funny for about 15 minutes, but it's not worth ANYTHING more. Plus, sitting through Advanced Dungeons and Dragons made me go insane, that game is the most archaic BS I've ever sat through and I will probably never play it myself.
For Renegade, you need to just jump-kick over and over, like the elbow in Double Dragon.
Weird that this video showed up just now. I've been reading old Nintendo power magazines (purchased completely legally as far as anyone is concerned, get off my back, Nintendo lawyers) and I've read quite a few articles and guides and tips for these games, especially Friday the 13th. It certainly gives the decisions of the developers more context. Games didn't have the luxury of explaining themselves back then but with just a little bit of information, everything becomes clearer. All it takes is a little patience, which people had more of in the 80s, unlike today when people want everything NOW.
Friday the 13th - even if it was complete ass - has some historic value from being the first game ever developed by Atlus.
If you're able too, I think you should go to every Goodwill in Alabama/Georgia and catalog their collections.
Noah was picking up the animals. Moses was born generations later.
The LJN Defender, that's a throwback. Didnt he retire or something
I didn't know referencing AVGN is a still a thing. It was mentioned more in this video than at least 5 years of watching classic video game videos😊
you should actually try flying warriors. it’s nowhere near a “good game” but its blend of fighting/sides rolling/turnbased rpg def deserves a look. very ambitious game.
21:41 You know who else is on The Mathematical 57 WORST NES GAMES list?
MY MOM!
5:48 wow! That's a classical piano piece by Claude Debussy called Passpied, and it's the second time I've heard it in a video game! The first was Castlevania 2 for the Game Boy, where it sounds MUCH better.
Silver Surfer being anywhere near this list is an absolute travesty.
Yes, certainly. It's actually a pretty fun game.
The AD&D first five minutes to be fair, captures the AD&D TRPG experience well. If you play 1:1 by the rules its a convoluted over complicated mess.
I think it would be fun to see the games that got single votes, thus didn’t make the list, and see if you think it should have. I think in a lot of cases it will just be lack of awareness, but that is sort of interesting in and of itself.
5:46 Terrible? Lol that’s Passepied, the fourth movement from Debussy’s Suite bergamasque
Festers quest is a classic and I always had fun with home alone but I haven’t played in omg 30 years
I only just learned that apparently the Dragon’s Lair version in Japan is a lot faster.
I like this series
I never agreed when AVGN said ninja turtles was a bad game. I always liked it. It's got quirks but when u know how to play it, it ain't bad at all.
I rented Dragonlance as a kid and while I admit it's not great, I also managed to finish it. I had read all the Dragonlance books prior and so it was kind of neat to see all the characters I was so familiar with.
The ending surprised me. Well played!
Can we get at least the list of the only once mentioned games on these lists? Like Mega Man and the one from SeanBaby, please?
48:34 - 49:04: No, that's just wrong! Yes, the platform matters. For example Pac-Man in arcade and on Atari VCS: One is great, the other one is trash. But the standard on NES wasn't higher than on other systems. The C64 Ghostbusters IS a great game and the conversion for the NES is really bad. When it's bad, then it's bad! Also when it's great, then it's great. Period. That doesn't mean, bad NES games are pretty ok compared to other game systems.
The "great is just good" could be true for the Jaguar maybe (AvP is great for a Jag game, but would be only pretty good on PS/Saturn/N64) and other systems with less than 100 games. But systems with 300, 800 or thousands of games will have really great and really bad games. So does the NES.
Some of the games in this video are great and/or outright classics on 8 bit computers like C64, Spectrum or CPC: Winter Games, Infiltrator, Renegade, Bombjack, Hudson Hawk and the mentioned Ghostbusters. Bad Street Brawler (aka Street Hassle or Bop'n Tumble) is not great, but a nice, funny game. Tag Team Wrestling is considered rather bad, but i liked it on C64 back in the 90s... Others are mediocre to bad also: Top Gun, Total Recall, WWF WrestleMania, Bart vs. The space Mutants, TMNT, Friday the 13th and Karate Champ.
20:10 actually not too far off, Conan is just a reskin of a C64 game called Myth: History in the Making
and the NES version is worse because theres no sweet SID tunes >:/
I think that music from the golf game would work if this was the first golf RPG
Thank you for defending TMNT. It's difficult, but it's definitely not a bad game.
i liked the video overlay simpler. not sure why you switched up but I enjoyed the simplicity. It matched the atheistic of the nostalgia you're projecting. Or some thesaurus word...Shut up I watch your show enough to know that hit a cord.
The D&D game, I recently saw a video that you're supposed to play it like a dungeon crawler but in side scrolling. Figure that out back then...
5:18 - Feels like Spy vs. Spy
I like a scientific approach to these things.
The worst nes game is donkey Kong jr math. Because math.
Also, I grew to like the rocky and bulwinkle music. Prolly heard it on repeate more than anything at age 3