Marantz Processors vs AV Receivers - Why Pre/Pros are a BIG DEAL!!!
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@Youthman glad to hear the family is good & safe! Looks like you all are having fun! Can’t wait to see the additional content from what you all are experiencing. Enjoy, be safe & cheers to all!
One of the most relatable audiophile online. Just love your passion to share. It comes through and its informative as well. Great job!
Thank you James I certainly appreciate the compliment sir have a great weekend
I know all of this (mostly learning from you in the past) but I still love to watch for some reason... testament to how good quality your videos are!
Love seeing videos like this. It would be really nice to see other amps reviewed and see what your opinion is on any sound differences for home theatre viewing when using separates with different amps.
I have owned 4 amplifiers. I have never noticed a difference in sound between them. I think processors and AVR’s make more difference in how your system sounds.
its' actually still pretty amazing the sound quality you get from better AVR', after all these years! Technology definitely kept improving, and the performance per dollar improved to a point where you actually need separates , for the average person! I'd say most do just fine running speakers as small, using powered subs, and that's all you'll likely need. Yes, better equipment dictates separates, and you get better potential sound quality. Again, depends on speakers and rest of the system though,including your expectations, lifestyle, setup, acoustics, etc whether the law of diminishing kicks in above or bellow your needs. When in doubt, and money's not an issues, yes, get separates for higher end performance
Thank you for keeping your videos clean and informative. I like the fact I never have to worry about what might come out of your mouth with my daughter next to me.
Thank you kindly. You can be assured that I will never say anything that would not be appropriate for your daughter to hear.
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Hey hey no pointing fingers now 🤣🤣🤣
This is simply the most informative straight forward video about something I had absolutely no idea about but always wanted to ask. I'm going to subscribe!
Thank you MrEdinSJ. Glad you found the video helpful
Thanks for this excellently informative video! I've been wondering about AVR vs separates, and now I fully understand the pros and cons of each. Thank you good sir!!
Thank you kindly. Glad you found the video helpful
Just a quick note: The SR8015 has a pre-setting which shuts off the power amp and allows for processing only if one is so inclined or you can set the front L and R to be process only and run it through a fine amp that way for 13 channels. I love mine.
Hi Youthman. Till yesterday I was an AVR guy and I am sure my next upgrade will sure be separates. Thanks to your simple yet informative way of explaining. It helps people like me who are learning and yet are climbing up the ladder to make an appropriate upgrade decisions. Now I have a job of finding Monolith 11X from the right source. Thanks and love to listen to you.
Thank you soooo much, guess you solved my problem,
I have been using a Yamaha AVR, but the audio that I have been getting was not what I want, guess I need a processor.
Thx for the great info.
A gifted teacher! Thanks for helping me from start to finish and beyond!
Thank you Martin. I’m wanting to put together a course for those new to hone theater.
Thank you! I have learned a lot today. Can't afford going this route today but it will definitely going to appear on my time line later. Just have to experience it once in my life.
Truly excellent informations, I just want to add a few additions to this valuable information. If you are not using power-hungry speakers such as Bowers & Wilkins 800 Diamond series , the processor you will purchase will only have a placebo effect.
Thank you for this video. The pet where you show the XLr cable hook is so simple but I had no clue how it worked until now.
Glad you found the video helpful.
Finally the AV7706 is there this fall with its 8K/60Hz 4K/120H and full Hdmi 2.1 features stack. Can't wait to hear from it on your channel. I plan to upgrade my Denon AVR-X5200W. I'm looking at this separate solution paired with Monolith amplifiers as well. I originally planned to use the Denon AVR-X4700H in pre-amp mode, but your explanation about better audio components and better separation is what triggered my interrest to a dedicated processor. For sure I'm going for a separate amplification. Much cheaper on the long run!!
As Always AWESOME Chat...I use separates in my living room & basement. i would never do jus AVR... My basement is really a different story. That equipment is the Same as a Theater rack and theater Speakers. So, the sound is different from my living room. Gotta luv Sound Pressure...Stay Safe, Be Safe!!!!
Thank you
Very great information simplified ! Thanks Youthman!
Excellent video, you hit all the major points and yet kept it concise.
Thank you kindly
After doing some research, unfortunately I cannot use my receiver As dedicated amplifier. Went ahead and ordered the 7705 and another external amplifier. I feel confident that youth man knows what he’s talking about and I should be happy with the change
Great and very useful video. Thanks a lot for that. Question: What about to hear just music in surround or stereo as well? Are them also a very good option? Because I had a bad experience to have just a single unit with the amplifier integrated (Denon in my case) and the sound for music listening is poor, not clear, etc. So, for instance, with that marantz AV7705 with an amplifier as Monolith 11x... the sound quality for just music would be clear and high quality? or what would be your recommendation about this? Thanks!
Wow, this was super helpful! Definitely earned a sub! :) Thanks man! I just picked up a set of 5.1 speakers from Aperion Audio over black friday and I am looking forward to exploring this new realm of tech. :) Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you and hope you enjoy the content
Just received my Anthem AVR that is hooked up to Totem acoustics bc I place priority on listening more critically to music, but, anything I choose has to go from 2 channel to Home Theatre in my den and bonus rooms. I have Emotiva separates in the bonus. The Anthem is just out of the box and I haven’t had time to use any room correction and the music sounds phenomenal. My wife even commented on how nice and warm it sounds. I also use Cambridge and Arcam products over time so I’ve heard quite a few products who do it well. So far very impressed.
Thanks for the great video Youthman. I think I'll be just sticking to AVR's for now. I'm currently doing my research now for my next AVR for my SVS system & future next gen console purchase. I'm very curious how Yamaha's new AVR's will be compared to Denon or Marantz
I appreciate you Youthman. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your vids. I'm also looking forward to/wondering about your review of the marantz sr8015 and/or 7015. I'm looking at most likely buying the 7015, as I have a five channel amp to power the mains and two rears, and would need the receiver only for the four atmos speakers I'm running so the additional power per channel rating of the 8015 is not usable for my situation. I do wonder about if there is any sound quality difference between the two though.
My guess is there not be much sound difference between the 7015 and 8015
I use prosessor to use with active speakers! Very usefull and you have optimal aplification to each channel because the amp is build for the speaker!
Thanks for the information. I have a Marantz AVR and the information is very useful.
So thankful people like you exist. I love learning from clear and concise videos like yours. Well done, thank you!
Thank you Jeff. It’s people like you that motivate me daily.
This is the most simple breakdown I've found by far - thank you!
Glad you found the video helpful
@@Youthman Just started my journey last week and I too found this very informative. Thank you.
Glad you found the video helpful Michael.
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Monolith dont last decades it not real
Excellent Articulation and Very Informative - Thank You
Glad you enjoyed it David
The exact video i was looking for all night last night. Thank you for making this.
Thanks Nathan glad you found the video helpful.
Great vid sir, wanna ask you, i found amp like parasound dont had output for sub, if using pre/pro how to connect them?
Awesome video @Youthman. Will running front staging LCR through a dedicated amp and leaving Surround and Atmos speakers on Receiver makes much difference ? I have ordered Emotiva amp for my front speakers. Just want to know from an expert :).
Good video. It was thought out, organized, and explained well. I do think price should have been included however as there’s usually a substantial difference. Other than that, great job.
Thank you. It is difficult to discuss price as you have AVR’s ranging from $299 to $5500 and Separates ranging from $4000-$30,000. There are so many different combinations and occasionally their pricing overlaps
interesting, i always thought the main advantage of seperates was the extra power provided to the speakers from a dedicated power amp, yet from your experience it was the extra finese of the seperate processer better calibrating and mixing the surround soundstage.
Fantastic explanation!! Thank you!!!
Great review i had not seen a side by side comparison nor the difference in depth . Could you PLEASE compare the Marantz SR8015 to Anthem AVR1140, and tell us about their sound differences.
Need some advice. New to Home Theater Community. I just purchased a Marantz 7015 AVR. I love the sound I’m getting from it. I had a Onkyo 787. I notice an immediate difference in sound and clarity. Was this a good purchase or should I go for the 8015 you talked about in one of your video
Awaiting the Marantz review Michael! Looking forward to the audio quality portion especially compared to the Monoprice beast.
Great video for the intro to this world.
Thanks!
My next upgrade will be to another AVR but specifically one with multi-channel pre-outs. Still a few years from that upgrade but the idea is I can use receiver power and then buy amps for that then once I'm at that then it will be a lot easier of a transition. I know with the new Denon/Marantz receivers you can set them to a pre-pro mode that disables all internal amplification and reduces noise levels which is kinda bridges the gap even more, hope more manufacturers follow suit.
im using my yamaha aventage 2080 as pre out it sound really good i try a couple of different amplifier it make a huge difference compered to the avr amplification.. i just cant spend 4k for a processor where i am in canada price are nuts ,, i know the newer denon avr allow you to turn off the internal amplification this can be a great solution for those like me
Hey Michael, (WARNING THIS COULD BE LONG) my name is Roy Diaz and I am new to this whole home theater gig but I am getting a lot of knowledge for this from you and your UA-cam counterparts. I will in the future be getting a Klipsch Reference Premier line (with either Klipsch SPL or SVS line for subwoofers) for a possible 7.2.4 or 7.2.6 (depending on space) Dolby Atmos system with by-amping my fronts (L&R) and my surround rears (L&R). This video has helped me a lot (along with other videos) to understand how to use AVRs with amplifiers and also utilizing separates, which I am considering very highly. I do have a couple of confusing questions that I am asking help with. Essentially, if I am going to use separates, how(1) and with what(2) would I need use the Marantz AV8805 in order to complete my sounding/video staging to include by-amping connections for my fonts (Klipsch RP-8000F) and surround rears (Klipsch RP-6000F or the RP-600M)? Any and all sounding advice or considerations would be most helpful. I know it is all up to my preferences and space but in this case knowledge is power. Thank you very much. Please let me know through this comment thread (instead of the video teleconference that you all do daily) as my schedule does not permit me to be available during your UA-cam Daily HI-FI.
I have an AC Infinity unit on top of my Yamaha Aventage RX-A1000 receiver. Nice component. However, though not an expert, I believe that thermal cycling is very important. My view it to set up any cooling component to be gradual and cotinuous as opposed to on/off cycling. Cooler amp operation should provide better sound so, of course ventilation is important. Some custom AV furniture restricts cooling which is why I added the AC Infinity unit. This and power surge protection will likely become more important in the future as the US infrastructure becomes more reliant on electricity. The power grid will continue to be more taxed in the future. For the first time in the 35 years I have had Yamaha components I had a power surge component failure with my excellent Yamaha Aventage RX-A1000. My surge protection was not sufficient after 40 years of upgraded protection. Cross your fingers for windmills and solar energy dependence.
Thanks a lot youthman. This was extremely helpful. --
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Your friend from far east!
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Yes you definitely can, my system is a Marantz av7005 my sons bought me for my 60th birthday, I had a Carver av705x 5 channel amplifier. When I went from an older Rotel Rotel RTC 965 pre-processor to the Marantz all I can say is WOW.
Exactly
Excellent explanation and very informative. Just one question what is the difference between balanced and unbalanced out. Do we get any advantage or gain quality with balanced out. Also I watch all your videos, they really good inspirations for home theater buffs.
Balanced outputs have no benefit other than being better at canceling out external noise, which shouldn't be an issue anyway at short distances like if you just have an amp sitting right on top of a processor and you just have some 1-2 foot RCA cables connecting them. If you're not running 10-20+ foot cables, there's no reason to use balanced. There is absolutely no difference in quality and unbalanced is 100% not a problem.
Thanks for the video. I love to get your thoughts on the new pre amp mode on the 8015. Does the performance gap between processor and receiver still exist?
Will soon find out
Awesome video 👍🏾
I am going separates. Great video and thank you.
Brilliant video about AVR and Processor , well explained 🙌👏. Easy and simple to understand.
Glad you enjoyed it Samuel
I have a NR1200 and need to use an EQ for all sources. Does it make sense to use the NR1200 as a preamp and place the EQ in between NR1200 and 2 channel amp 7025? Thoughts?
I can't wait for your review on the new Marantz AV 7706
Thanks. It’s in the works
Thank you for keeping this fairly simple and for us Noobs 😉.. trying to learn since I'm starting out from scratch leaning more towards the HI-FI direction 👍👍..
So glad the video was helpful
Excellent information for the beginner ! I agree with Marc below, there needs to be more affordable options for pre/pros, I feel there is a market for them.
I’m all for more affordable pre/pros
Youthman how would a DAC hook up with these things. Seems like Audio companies want you to buy two systems - HT and Hifi? Who has room for all those speakers. I would just like to be able to do very good HiFi L/R plus Center Channel for TV.
@@kevinweber5129 You will need an HT bypass preamp
There's the Outlaw model 976 7.2 Pre/Pro BUT it's only available in the US. It's also slightly pricey for what it is coming in at $1000 USD. It's also outdated now with only hdmi 2.0/1.4.
Jairo Reyes I don’t know what that is. Do you have a model to such?
Great video!!! Tons of info!
Thanks
very good explanation. thank you.
Great 👍 explanation of the difference, you could have mentioned that some AVR have A bypass by switching of the amp section nowadays such as the Marantz new Line of Avr. Are you going to compare the7705 to the 8015 using the 8015 as a pre / pro that would be nice 👍
Yes they do have a preamp mode that disengages the internal amplifiers but it’s still an AVR.
I went back from separates to a receiver for conveniences. I had a Rotel preamp processor 1570 and Rotel 1565 D - class 5 channel Amp .I Now have the Marantz SR6014 and I can say I haven't greatly lost any sound quality in the change over only noticeable is a slight decrease in dynamics. I really enjoy the tonal quality of the Marantz SR6014 overall. I think like I did careful research to find the receiver that suits yours needs but without a doubt if i had the money i would got back to separates but at this time I'll stick with my Marantz. Receiver.
Fortunately they make some really nice AVR’s. I was always thoroughly pleased with my SR8012. The AV7705 just took it to the next level.
@@Youthman I read there is problems with the new HDMI 2.1 chip on 2020 Marantz, Yamaha and Denon AVR, that they give black screen with certain input. Do you know more ???
Yes I made a video discussing it - ua-cam.com/video/jzw1j-CaK2A/v-deo.html
great video...what are your thoughts on the monoprice amp....605030 ..?..for hometheater...they are on amazon....
Love the video. I’ve always been an AVR supporter for everything you mentioned. Have to say though, the separates route is very enticing. By the way, I love the chairs in your theatre room. Do you mind if I ask what kind they are? Thanks again.
They're called Valencia Tuscany Home Theater Seating.
Hi Youthman, I have a question about using a Marantz processor without an amplifier. I have JBL 308 Powered Studio Monitors that I'd like to use for a home theater setup. Is it possible to use these speakers with the Marantz pre-amplifier since they have amplifiers built into them? Any kind of feedback would be much appreciated.
Youthman, for my 7.2.4 I’m running Monolith 5x200 external amp along with my denon avr4300. Is it possible to use the denon to amp my surround rears n atmos if I go with the Marantz AV7705? Hope that makes sense
I thinking about picking up a Marantz SR6015 and a couple of amplifiers. Since the new models have an internal amp disconnect mode at this point, is there any benefit from a Processor?
Great break down. This is exactly what I wanted to know.
I like how you explain everything( make it simple for anyone new in to Home theater ) . I need that MARANTZ SR8015 in my House 😁🎶🎶🎶🔊.
Thank you Eli.
Youthman Thanks to you Michael .
Which brand of XLR or balanced inputs did you have for the video?
Like always.... ur good my friend 👍🏽. Thanks a lot 👋🏽🤩👋🏽
Thanks Serge
I went separates about 5 years ago and never looked back. Marantz AV8802a with a 5 channel Emotiva XMP AMP and a smaller 8 channel Basx for surrounds and heights. But one thing that was been problematic, these big boxes generate a TON of heat!
Excellent presentation, however, little confusing at the beginning. When explaining the AVR you started by talking about the processor component. When you talked about the processor, you noted the lack of amplification. All true, however, to a novice they may think that the pre/pro did not have all the processor compensation like Dolby, Atmis etc. Which obviously is not true. Bottom line, the only difference really is the amplification on the AVR vs no amp on the pre/pro.
I’ve just set up the Marantz 8015 and I’m really having a hard time justifying adding more power. Channel separation seems really good. No audible distortion. I like to keep things simple when possible.
The SR8015 has a beefy power supply. If your speakers are efficient, you could definitely power an entire system with it.
Love your way how you explain all your videos, thanks, Love klipsch speaker at moment i have the r620f and in few weeks the rf7 mk3 , greetings from Germany
Thank you for the kind words and congrats on the upgrade. You’re going to love the 7’s
@@Youthman how do you think is de sound of the rf7 with an denon x3700, round about 105 watt per channel.
It all depends on how many speakers you have connected. The more speakers you have, the less wattage each channel will receive. It’s still going to sound great. Down the road you can always add a III Channel amplifier for your front soundstage if you feel the need
@@Youthman thanks youthman :)
I love your presentation, keep it up 👍👍
Thank you kindly
Thank you, I needed this.
Glad it was helpful
Great breakdown. Excited to get a pre/pro going soon myself!
Oh yeah brother. I think you’re going to like it
Im interested in a double-blind test to see if you or others can tell if there is an audible difference between using a AVR as a Pre Pro and a dedicated unit. The only thing I think might make a difference is the balanced outputs if you have some kind of unusual interference
Hard part about that is it’s not an easy switch from the AVR to a Processor. Also you would have to level match them since XLR are topically have a few dB gain.
Outstanding explanation as always!
Thank you
Agreed
I like your video clip . Last a month ago I bought Emotiva power amp and I did hear the difference and it the best thing I did . I had two channel and went to five channel. Cheers
Congrats!
Thanks
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
What do you think of running Marantz Cinema 50 with the MM7055?
I want to extend to 7.2.4 /5.2.6 and would run as many speakers through the external amp.
Good to know - Hearing difference already with receiver/external amps....now I know to get a separate processor. -I was going to anyway! 😄
Nice. From your 8012 receiver to 7705 pre/pro does the sound differences is day and night? how about from 7705 to monolith HTP1? does HPT1 sound much better than 7705? Because me myself heard so many people saying pre/pro is much better than AVR, so I am wating from my Emotova XMC-2 to replace my Denon AVR X6400H. I am expect a much better sound from XMC-2. We'll see when the XMC-2 arrived. Actually I prefer HTP1 than XMC-2 but unfortunately HTP1 is not available in my country.
Hey Youthman! Enjoy your content... i had a 7705 but went to the daddy 8805! The quality is so much better due to the construction and DACs... comparing the 8805 to the 8015 would be a cool video!
Everyone has told me the 8805 is a major step above the 7705. Much more than just adding two additional channels of processing.
Since the 8805 is older, I will wait until the replacement comes out to review it
Youthman it certainly is. Completely different construction and weights almost the same as the 8015! Massive transformer for just a AVP. The 8805 won’t be replaced for another couple of years. Marantz will offer an HDMI 2.1 upgrade programme for it.
Like I said everyone said it’s incredible.
@@TURBO18TMK4 for over double the price, at only an extra $2800, I thinking it should be better. 😂 Have to put price in perspective sometimes, at $4700 with tax, that’s a whole new market. Just ordered the 7705 myself, at $1800. It will be my first pre pro.
Only if you have the Denon/Marantz then the Infinity is a must, for Yamaha, it's optional since they run a max of 9 channel built in+ 2channel via external amp & run a lot cooler.
I think I might try mono blocks for each speaker
Well done sir! I’m at the point trying to decide between av receiver and processor. With the av receiver you need a cooling fan so when you go processor and amp will you need to place a fan on the amp like you would an av receiver?
I just made a video a few days ago sharing my experience between the Marantz SR8015 AVR and the AV7706 Processor - ua-cam.com/video/xYACtM54_kc/v-deo.html
I use an AC Infonity on my Monolith 11X amp since my current AV7705 does not get very hot.
Both Marantz models in this video are actually receivers because they both have an AM and FM radio receivers inside.
Both have PRE OUT for all the processor channels and can be used as preamplifiers with separate external power amps. So if the external power amps do not have "Balanced" XLR inputs then there shood be wery little differences if used with the same separate power amps.
The new AVR 8015 has a function that can disconnect the internal power amps inside so the pre-out runs with lower distortion when used with external power amps.
Can you do a video about the processor with the most outputs? Priamp
Youthman, big fan of yours! I am about to purchase your pre/pro combo, but I had a question for you… I am seeing that Denon receivers now have a pre-amp mode. Do you think this will give people the same experience as pre/pros do?
Hi Jeff, that was the entire point of this video. Derek and I thought using Preamp Mode with the Monolith 11X would sound the same as using the 7706. That was not our experience with this AVR vs Processor compairson.
Hi Youthman. A very informative video as usual. I have a question for you. I have a Oppo UDP-205 that has been extensively upgraded by Russ Andrews (I don't know if you have heard of them, they are a specialist UK Audio Company), at a cost of £1100. How would the Marantz AV7705 compare to my Oppo for processing audio when partnered with a Anthem/Emotiva amp?
Only way to know is try it both ways to see which sounds better.
I have the merantz 6014 I need to know where do I hook up the rear heights and where do I hook up the front heights I have 4 cealing speakers 3 fronts with atmos heights built into them the 9080 x towers with the atmos up firing speakers but don't know where to hook them up so the only place I have left is my subwoofer my question is can I hook up the extra atmos to it ?
can i ask, i have marantz pm 10 but i dont have avr like you said to runing my ps 5, so i dont need to buy new amp but just go buy avr n pair with my amp to running my 8k tv ? note i just have a 4 speaker bnw 1 subwoofer n tube pre amp custom...
@Youthman I have one question which might be helpful to all who are planning to upgrade from existing sound bar and woofer setup..
Can you please let us if this set up is possible..
Can I buy an avr and can I use existing sound bar as centre speaker and existing woofer and I am planning to buy only sorround, atmos and back speakers..
All I am trying to do is to save some money on centre speaker and woofer by replacing them with existing sound bar and woofer
Let me know if this works? I have Harmon Kardon Sabre35
I have Onkyo AVR that came with 5.1 speakers for $260 that I bought over 7 years ago from Amazon lol!!... still works great!! Hot as a heater but still running strong. Sounds better then stupid soundbar for sure !!
I have been looking for a processor with an eARC HDMI port but have only found AV receivers with it. Are you aware of a processor with eARC?
My go to guy for everything home theater! I still live in a simple 2 channel world, stuck in a time warp I guess
Glad you’re enjoying the content
So Micheal, nice video..do you then need two systems or three..you showed two marantz and another amp.i have an onkyo rz810 av receiver..how many more in addition to my avr do I need to go separates?...you video helped but confused me at the same time..
Sorry for the confusion. An AVR like you have is not separates even if you add an amplifier.
When I refer to separates it’s when you have a dedicated processor and a dedicated separate amplifier.
Your Onkyo Is an AV receiver or an AVR as explained in the video
This was very helpful!
Thanks, i needed this
Thanks, so you said going with Yamaha CX-A5200 preAmp with Yamaha MX-A5200 power amplifier instead of Yamaha RX-A8A receiver better choice?