Great episode guys! It has been a rough morning for me thus far and this discussion has been instrumental in my dealing with that and focusing me on my reliance on Jesus Christ in ALL things. I must also add that my admiration for Dr. Keener has increased with each episode of the study of Mark's Gospel.
Does anyone know of any passages in the Bible that says we will want to do less of God's commands because we have the Torah written on our hearts? Seems like we should have a softer heart towards obeying God's Torah since we have a perfect loving example in Jesus on how to walk it out.
Ok sad I think didn't get my answer here or I didn't hear it, and I was hoping to. I don't eat ham or shell fish etc. as scripture tells us it is unclean. Can someone show me an explanation of Peter's vision again more thoroughly? Thanks it would be helpful. Thanks Guys.
The dietary instructions have not been done away with/changed. If Jesus would have changed one jot or tittle of the Torah (instruction) He would have been in sin. If He was in sin, His death would have been pointless and of no effect in removing the curse of the Law of Sin and Death. See Matthew 5:17-19, Matthew 23:1-3 and Acts 15:19-21. In regard to Peter's vission in Acts 10; the context is about the three Gentile men who are coming to take him to Cornelius. The vission is not about food, Peter explains this in both chapter 10 and 11. To find the proper interpretation and application of scripture we must judge things with entire context of scripture. You guys have missed the target altogether with this one.
While I would agree that during Jesus ministry to fulfill the Law he would have kept perfectly the entire Law. But there most definitely has been a change with the New Covenant. Surely you don’t think Jesus intended for us to keep the sacrifices. Why is it hard to also extend this New Covenant to the other parts of the Law? For example, what do you do with Romans 14 on this matter? V 17 - For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. (Why does Paul say “in the Holy Spirit” and not say “in Torah observance” ?)
@@Choof84 The answer to your question is, to begin with taking all of the Biblical text into proper context. If we isolate verses and passages in an attempt to justify our rebellion against Adonai Elohim’s instructions, we can make the Bible confirm anything we want it to say. Yeshua/Jesus specifically stated that He did not come to abolish/do away with the “Law” or Torah (which literally means instruction) in this passage - Matthew 5:16-19 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. (17) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. (18) For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (19) Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The word translated as accomplished/fulfill in verse 17 is the Greek word - πληρόω (plēroō) Thayer Definition: 1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full 1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally 1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied Part of Speech: verb The word translated as accomplished/fulfilled in verse 18 is the Greek word - γίνομαι (ginomai) Thayer Definition: 1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being 2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen 2a) of events 3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage 3a) of men appearing in public 4) to be made, finished 4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought 5) to become, be made Part of Speech: verb He further went on later to specifically state that we are to do what Moses taught in this passage - Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, (2) saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. (3) Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. We further have the Church leadership (including Paul) after Yeshua/Jesus’ resurrection and ascension to heaven instructing that new followers of the Messiah will hear Moses and learn from that instruction in this passage - Acts 15:18-21Known to God from eternity are all His works. (19) Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, (20) but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. (21) For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath. What are Paul and the Church leadership saying? We must tell new followers of Yeshua/Jesus to stop committing the obvious sins in their life; as they gather and hear the Instruction of God (Law) the Holy Spirit will convict their heart on what else they need to repent of. Yeshua/Jesus before His ascension to heaven instructed that all of His followers should disciple others in the proper way to live out the commandments (law/Torah) that He had taught His disciples, in this passage - Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. (19) Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. In regard to keeping the sacrifices. The sacrificial system has not been done away with, abolished, or in any way discontinued. Read the last nine chapters of Ezekiel. You will find the description of the Temple that will be worshiped at and sacrifices will be performed while Yeshua/Jesus reigns as King for one thousand years. The reason that sacrifices are currently not able to be performed is there is no Temple, no Levitical Priesthood, and no Aaronic Priesthood. According to the Instruction of God (law/Torah), it is a sin to offer sacrifices since the above-mentioned items are not in place. We can understand this by reading the following two passages - Leviticus 17:8-9 Also you shall say to them: 'Whatever man of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice, (9) and does not bring it to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, to offer it to the LORD, that man shall be cut off from among his people. And, - 1 Kings 9:3 And the LORD said to him: "I have heard your prayer and your supplication that you have made before Me; I have consecrated this house which you have built to put My name there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually. Since God chose to put His name at the Temple after Solomon dedicated it, it will be a sin to offer an animal sacrifice at any other location than the Temple location in Jerusalem. In regard to Romans 14 What is the context of the passage? The answer: The context of the passage has two parts - 1) Eating meat that is considered clean according to the Torah, but could have been potentially offered to an idol before being sold in the market. 2) Whether or not it is better to be vegan or not. The passage is not a discussion about whether or not you should put shrimp sauce on the pork chops for dinner. Keep in mind the words of the disciple that Yeshua/Jesus loved, who said - 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. Ever since the beginning of mankind's existence, sin has always been the disregard of the Instruction given to them by God. As followers of Yeshua/Jesus, we are supposed to live as He did. This means that we follow and obey all of His Instructions (Torah/Law) that are applicable to us. Keep in mind what Yeshua/Jesus said in Matthew 5:18, not all has been accomplished in Biblical prophecy and it will not all be accomplished until after His one thousand year reign as King. You can read about that in Revelation 20. Hope that helps answer your question.
@@TzadiJames Context is great, what is the Context of Matthew? Jesus is fulfilling the Old Testament, like in a prophetic way...i.e. Jesus is the Messiah. Your definition of fulfill seems quite narrow and ignores the way that Matthew uses it. Matthew uses it to explain that Jesus is doing what was prophesied about the Messiah. And Jesus doesn't say he came to fulfill the Law...he says Law and Prophets...i.e. the whole Old Testament. What do the Prophets add to the Law, they speak more fully about the New Covenant. What does Jesus initiate at his death, the New Covenant. from Mt 5:18 - I suppose the idea that Jesus accomplished all things in the Law and Prophets makes the most since in the context of him inaugurating the New Covenant. He literally says, It is finished (Jn19:30) and then the curtain of the temple is torn when he dies (Mt 27:51) which Hebrews 10:20 clarifies, this is the new and living way that Jesus opened for us to enter the holy places. But as to the Law and Prophets themselves, the word of God stands, it will continue, but the way it is applied has changed over time, which again is part of the Prophets...who mention many times a New Covenant that will include forgiveness of sins, the sending of the Spirit, and the entering in of Gentiles. You also seem to have missed the context of the majority of the New Testament, which is...how do Gentiles fit into this whole thing. Nowhere will you find instruction from the Apostles or Jesus that indicates Gentiles should adopt the Law. Jesus speaks about it in John 4 to a Samaritan. A time is coming that true worshippers will worship in Spirit and truth, not in a specific location and not a specific people. Jesus also mentions, a group of people that He will call in the future Jn 10, another flock (i.e. Gentiles). So we must ask the question, did Jesus tell his disciples to follow the Law, yes I agree Mt 23 does say this, though the book of Hebrews specifically ch 8-10 makes the point that once the New Covenant was initiated the Old Covenant was no longer necessary. it uses two words, obsolete and vanishing. Did Jesus intend for the Gentiles to follow the Law? No I don't think so, because that's what most of the rest of the New Testament is about and it isn't instructing us to do the Law. Your conclusion of Acts 15 is ignoring the full context of the book of Acts. If they intended them to follow the Law, they would have written something like, Brothers don't worry about what the circumcision group said, they did not go out from us, salvation is not in following the Law you don't need to be circumcised to be saved. But you need to know that God wants a Holy people, and His Holy people must follow the Law. So you need to be circumcised to honor and love God. The letters says nothing to that effect or even hints that Gentiles should consider follow the Law. And this is easily confirmed by reading Acts 21:25, this is something like 9 years later. James says specifically about the Gentile believers, that they follow the 4 instructions, and it's good. Not that they should follow the Law. As for the context of Romans 14, you appear to be describing 1 Corinthians 8 and 10, not Romans. Your idea of 1 Jn 3:4 makes for a very narrow way of defining sin, that I don't think can be intended by John. (But I like what you said at the end, it's God's instructions that are applicable for us. Yes precisely good answer, now we must understand what is applicable for us) He does not appear to be saying literally, "sin is not following the Law of Moses." Because he gives a bunch of examples in the rest of the chapter and it's all based around love (not food or feasts or Sabbaths). He concludes in 1 Jn 3:21-24, that keeping God's commandments means 1) believing in Jesus (as God) and 2) we love one another in the way Jesus commanded. This is I think we see consistently throughout the New Testament called the Law of Christ. Which is applied to all believers, whereas the Law of Moses is not applied to all believers (only Jews, and if we study carefully only to Jews before the New Covenant). As for your statement about the sacrificial system. Read Hebrews 8-10, especially 10:5-18 it's not on pause because the temple was destroyed. This book is before the temple was destroyed. And it clearly states that Jesus offered up one sacrifice for all time, and that because of this offering that forgives all sins, there is no longer any offering for sin. It's not for lack of Levites and a Temple, since those things existed when the book was written. As for specific prophecies about the end and final judgment of God, yes clearly Jesus didn't do that part yet. But he did inaugurate it. Often times theologians describe this as the already and the not yet. But the important thing is that Jesus makes it clear...it is Him who will do this, and all of the prophecies are about Him. So those parts you say he hasn't accomplished...they will happen in the future...but the point I'm making is that we are not looking for a different Messiah. Are we expecting a different Prophet? Are we expecting a different judgement than what Jesus explained? So even though he hasn't made a new heaven and new earth, he has still made known that He will do it, and only Him, because He is God. But instead you seem to think that Jesus' intended meaning that until he judges the earth we should follow the Law. If so why did he do away with sin sacrifices? And if we see the scriptures say that we don't do offerings or sacrifices any longer, because our sin has been forgiven once for all. I.e. that part of the Law no longer applied to us (because the true fulfillment has come), then we must consider the other parts of the Law, do feasts, or sabbaths, or foods or any other laws still apply (or did Jesus fulfill those as well)? The New Testament seems to say over and over again that those laws are not what we do, we live by the Spirit. And living or walking by the Spirit is never described in the New Testament as abstaining from unclean foods, nor trimming our hair, nor wearing certain types of fabric, nor tithing, nor offering sacrifices, nor keeping the Sabbath, nor becoming circumcised.
@@Choof84 Good day, I attempted to respond to your comment on Friday. I spent two hours going through your last comment and responding with scripture passages; after editing the response two times and UA-cam not allowing it to go through I gave up. Apparently, there is a word count limit on comments. With that said, I will endeavor to be brief in my response. First of all, thank you for boasting in me, I am proud to see that I am honoring the words of my King which He said in this passage - Matthew 7:13-14 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. What breaks my heart and puzzles my understanding is how many professing “Christians” fail to recognize why Yeshua/Jesus had to come to this earth and die on the cross. The answer is that The One True God is Holy. Every human being is unholy and there needed to be a way so that HaShem could have a relationship with us because He loves all human beings. Sadly much of the confusion is from the fact that every human being has embraced and holds sacred the question that leads to our destruction. That is the question - “Has God indeed said?” What we all need to understand is that - 1) HaShem יהוה (Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey) never changes: Malachi 3:6 - For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. 2) Yeshua never changes: Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 3) Their word never changes: Psalms 119:89 - Forever, O LORD, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens. Psalms 119:160 - The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever. All of us who claim Yeshua/Jesus as Lord of our lives need to repent. Because the majority of us do not live as though He truly is Lord or that His Father is Holy. This, in large part, is due to the fact that many believe the lies that have crept into the Church via false doctrines and vain Theology. In addition, the majority of “Christians” do not understand the times that we are in. Which is going to lead to many rejecting HaShem, Yeshua/Jesus, and their word (2 Thess. 2:1-12). We would all do well to remember the words of Solomon (the dumbest wise-man that ever lived) who said - Ecclesiastes 12:12-14 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh. (13) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all. (14) For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil. Our duty as followers of Yeshua/Jesus is the same duty appointed to us by HaShem when He created us. That is to honor Him by living in such a way that His image is in the earth. When we disregard or minimize even one of His instructions, we are in sin. As Yeshua/Jesus said - Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. And, In - Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (22) Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' (23) And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' Lawlessness is referring to rejecting the Torah (God’s Instruction given through the pre-incarnate Yeshua/Jesus to Moses).
@@TzadiJames Hey wow that’s really great that you took so much time to respond. I appreciate your patience and efforts and sorry that it was so much trouble. I think you have a really important message, that a lot of people need to hear. Many people are not following what Jesus instructed, there are many false movements and prophets and teachers, but we aren’t surprised because Jesus foretold it. We must be careful. Which is what I see you trying to be, carefully understand the Word. That’s a great place to start, but there are some teachings that you are following that I fear are leading you astray. Perhaps I have misunderstood you, but when you quote Mt 7:21-23, the way you are interpreting that would mean that everyone who is saved would need to follow the law perfectly. Everyone has failed at some point in of the law. I think that’s Jesus’ main point of the sermon on the mount. Our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, which is impossible without the grace of God (through the gospel work of Christ). Have you read Galatians? Paul reminds us, that whoever submits themselves to one point of the law must keep the whole thing. Paul gives an in depth treatise on how the law doesn’t apply to us because we are children of the promise through faith in Christ, being heirs of the promise through the seed of Abraham. For in Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything. He completely side steps the law and the requirements of the law, because he thinks Jesus brings us into a different covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, not the Sinai covenant. Stop there and read again…Paul teaches that we don’t follow the Mosaic law because Jesus does not graft us into the Sinai covenant. He grafts us into the Abrahamic covenant. Then he doubles down, if we pursue circumcision, we will be separated from Christ. And he says another interesting statement, he speaks of being persecuted for the offense of the cross. And that he would remove the offense of the cross if he taught circumcision. Think about that…Paul teaches them to not get circumcised and the circumcision group of Christian Jews persecute him. But he doesn’t give in. Why? Paul has completely spiritualized the Abrahamic covenant and finds its fullness in Christ, so that we are not pursuing the Mosaic Law. What do you do with that?
" 11 I ask then, they did not stumble into an irrevocable fall, did they? Absolutely not! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their transgression means riches for the world and their defeat means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full restoration bring?" - Rom 11:11-12 Jesus was sent to the Jews only, it is the later failure of the Jews (being hardened by God) to recieve Him, that provides a way for the gospel to be extended to the Gentiles. So even though God planned that Gentiles be included, at that point the Jews as a nation, had not yet rejected Jesus, so He is still only sent to the Jews. There's no reason to give their blessings to the gentiles. It's explicit in Matt parallel... " 24 So he answered, “I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” " - Matt 15:24 And you can this logic in the reply, which Jesus affirms... " 28 She answered, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.”" - Mark 7:28 Jesus was not lying when He said that it is not right to give her the bread meant for the children. But she says the leftovers are enough to free her daughter, she's not asking for the bread, just leftovers. Since she is not equal with the children (Jews), being a dog (gentile). But this is not the case after Pentecost, where Gentile believers are completely equal with Jews, since the covenant with Israel has been opened to Gentiles due to the rejection of the Messiah by Israel (in general/ as a nation).
If Yeshua changed the Torah, he fails the Deuteronomy test of a false prophet, and in Peter's vision, it explains twice that it refers to gentile believers, and Peter never ate unclean meat even in the vision. It's an apocalyptic vision.
@@grantcaldwell1938 no. We are saved by grace through faith, but we should do our best to be holy because of our love for Him. His law is perfect, scripture says so.
Truth! that is such Christian hypocrisy! Christians say the Torah was nailed to the stake and abolished at that time,, yet they say MESSIAH was encouraging Torah breaking prior during HIS ministry! HE would have been a false prophet and lawfully put to death by the Judim
in 17:19 Keener says he doesn't eat ham sandwiches, and Miller laughs it off. Am I misunderstanding something here? or is Keener putting forward that he would follow the clean food Laws? That whole conversation was really confusing. Jesus didn't change the Law here, because as other commenters have pointed out, Jesus is going to fulfill the whole Law...so what do we make of that comment in Mark 7:19? I think it's added through the teaching of the Apostles, that what Jesus meant here is that after He fulfills the Law, there will no longer be unclean foods. The New Covenant is not entangled into the nitty gritty Mosaic Laws, but only the heart attitudes that are now produced by walking in the Spirit. Neither our salvation nor our sanctification are based around us following the Mosaic Covenant, but this covenant was for Israel. Paul defines what he does now as being under the Law of Christ in 1 Cor 9:21, not under the Law (of Moses) in v 20. And even more clearly in Rom14:14, "I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean."
Hey Travis, to challenge your perspective just a little bit... So, in Revelation 21 John explains that there is a New Heavens and a New Earth and Jesus says "I am making all things new." Could that be related to what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 that not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law until the heavens and earth pass away? Regarding the Mosaic Law and the "nitty gritty" stuff. Hmmm. The whole basis of the Torah was stated by Jesus, "to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." He is quoting Deut. 6:4. The Shema. I really believe God commanded Israel (and us) to love Him first with our whole being and trust Him. Then, we have a willing heart to obey His other commands properly. If we look at His Torah as a list of rules that is how we will walk in them. If we approach His Torah as a way of life, the loving teaching of the Father and walk in it from the perspective of Jesus, I think we won't think of the commands as nitty gritty, but a delight as both David and Paul say. "The Torah of Adonai is perfect, restoring the soul." - Psalm 19:7 Also, in Romans 14:14 you should look up the greek manuscripts. Paul doesn't actually say "unclean" in those passages. He says koinos in the greek, which is "common". That is a very different category than "unclean" to a Jew. The greek word for "unclean" is akatharsia. This does change the meaning quite a bit getting these two words mixed up. It's maybe not as big as malignant and benign. But, pretty close. I agree with you that our salvation is not attached to the Mosaic Law, but on the other hand we should do what Paul said in Romans 3:30-31, "Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom brother, T. Scott
@@t.scottmajor1316 Yes it is possible to connect Mt 5:18 to Rev 21, and then say the Law continues until the end of time. But then we are left with a host of other problems. Such as Mark 7:19, the entire book of Hebrews, every letter from Paul. The leading of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of the Apostles as handed down in Acts 15 as instructions for the Gentile believers. I think at best you can say the Jews should keep the Law until the new heavens and earth...but the New Testament is super clear that it doesn't apply to Gentiles. And the destruction of the temple makes it clear, God doesn't want the Jews to keep the Law...so we might want to consider another way to interpret the verse.
@@t.scottmajor1316 as for Jesus intended meaning when talking about love. In John 15 he specifically says it’s a new commandment. And then later Jesus specifically says it’s a new covenant made in his blood. To go into Greek is a bit challenging. But consider Acts 10 in Peters vision. Both words are used with Kai joining them, which may or may not communicate anything clearly about it. But it certainly muddies your argument. Jesus is saying I have cleansed it…hmmm hard to really know what to do with that, what is presented in the vision is a number of animals that are unclean not merely common. What are the implications here? Peter had an idea about what is common and unclean. Jesus says it’s been cleansed so don’t call it common. And the application is that Peter is going to do this thing that he felt was breaking the Law. Maybe we can argue that him visiting Gentiles was breaking a tradition of Pharisees. Why did Jesus have to call it cleansed if it was just a tradition of Pharisees? Before in his ministry he just said woe to the Pharisees they say do this but it’s not correct. I guess it’s a bit complicated. I would have to think about it more. But what are the implications here if Jesus is telling Peter to do something that seems to be communicated as something he wasn’t allowed to do before under the Law. And what are the far reaching consequences? Now we must consider, which parts of the Law do we still keep, which parts are different now? Jesus is changing something here in Acts 10, whether you think it applied to food or not, it still looks like a change.
@@Choof84 Hey Travis, yeah there are really just a few passages that need to be worked out when it comes to people thinking that the food laws changed. You have hit three of them in Mark 7, Acts 10 and Romans 14. They didn't really bring it up on the video, he said it was a commentary by Mark, but the "therefore he declared all foods clean" isn't in the manuscripts. That was added by a translator. Again, that seems like a pretty significant comment to stick in the Bible when it isn't really in the manuscripts. In Acts 10, I feel like Peter explains twice what the meaning of the vision is. As weird as the vision is at face value, there is an explanation/interpretation given for the vision. Just like with Joseph interpreting the dreams of Pharoah and Daniel interpreting the dreams of Nebuchanezzar. The dreams/visions are really odd and shouldn't be interpreted as literal. The man of God through the Holy Spirit gives it's interpretation. Then, in Romans 14 I think that passage is talking about different forms of fasting (ie. meat eater vs vegetarian and also what days of the week to fast). I really don't think that Paul is talking about beef vs. pork. To God, pork isn't food. It is akatharsia. So, I don't think the discussion in Romans 14 is related to the changing of God's food laws. Again, these are just some things I have found as I have been trying to dig in more and understand all of these things and make sense of them all. I have found it easier to make sense of Paul's letters when seeing how he actually lived his life in the book of Acts. He walked in the Torah the whole way through so anything in his letters that "seem" to be saying something against the Torah probably is just a misunderstood idea on our part.
@@Choof84 Regarding Acts 15, that is a pretty well trodden passage too with so many different opinions about it. My understanding on it at this point would be that the big question at hand was regarding salvation. Kind of like how Catholics make you "convert through different traditions" to be saved, some interpretations believe this was a big part of the discussion for the Jews. The apostles and elders were unanimous that we are saved by faith. HalleluYah! Then, the next question is, what should we tell the new gentile believers to do now that they are grafted into Israel (Romans 11 & Ephesians 2) with us believing Jews? I personally believe that the 4 commands given were not a means of salvation for the new gentile believers, but more of a minimum requirement of fellowship to get started with the believing Jews in their local congregations. Then they say that with that minimum starting point they will be taught by others in the synagogues the commands of God in the Torah: "For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” - Acts 15:21 I think of it a little bit like when Israel was given the 10 commandments on Sinai and that is all they could handle at that time. It was an overwhelming experience to be in the presence of God. So, Moses went up and learned all the rest of the commandments that he would keep teaching them the rest of the 40 years in the wilderness. But, the 10 commandments were a wonderful starting point to have a new congregation and fellowship. Again, these are just some of my thoughts and learnings in these things. Take them or leave em. :) Shalom brother.
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Great episode guys! It has been a rough morning for me thus far and this discussion has been instrumental in my dealing with that and focusing me on my reliance on Jesus Christ in ALL things. I must also add that my admiration for Dr. Keener has increased with each episode of the study of Mark's Gospel.
Boy this series has been delicious! It's really good to listen too when I do the dishes. 😀
And on dog walks! ❤️
I wish this was on podcast I’m really enjoying this. It’s so refreshing
Craig Keener is an absolute stud. Cream of the crop academic and a scholar for the church.
Does anyone know of any passages in the Bible that says we will want to do less of God's commands because we have the Torah written on our hearts? Seems like we should have a softer heart towards obeying God's Torah since we have a perfect loving example in Jesus on how to walk it out.
Remember when Dr Keener got raptured?
Love this guy
Thanks guys for producing this!
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Ok sad I think didn't get my answer here or I didn't hear it, and I was hoping to. I don't eat ham or shell fish etc. as scripture tells us it is unclean. Can someone show me an explanation of Peter's vision again more thoroughly? Thanks it would be helpful. Thanks Guys.
I’m curious what Dr Keener would have made of “Jesus sighed” in verse 34.
I can see people "baptizing" themselves after coming from the market. Sometimes, I need to "baptize" myself when I come home from Walmart.
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You guys should have Lex Meyer on from Unlearn the lies UA-cam channel. That would be a good discussion.
Hasn't saliva got antiseptic qualities? A vague traditional wisdom from my childhood - long ago!
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The dietary instructions have not been done away with/changed.
If Jesus would have changed one jot or tittle of the Torah (instruction) He would have been in sin.
If He was in sin, His death would have been pointless and of no effect in removing the curse of the Law of Sin and Death.
See Matthew 5:17-19, Matthew 23:1-3 and Acts 15:19-21.
In regard to Peter's vission in Acts 10; the context is about the three Gentile men who are coming to take him to Cornelius. The vission is not about food, Peter explains this in both chapter 10 and 11.
To find the proper interpretation and application of scripture we must judge things with entire context of scripture.
You guys have missed the target altogether with this one.
While I would agree that during Jesus ministry to fulfill the Law he would have kept perfectly the entire Law. But there most definitely has been a change with the New Covenant. Surely you don’t think Jesus intended for us to keep the sacrifices. Why is it hard to also extend this New Covenant to the other parts of the Law?
For example, what do you do with Romans 14 on this matter?
V 17 - For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. (Why does Paul say “in the Holy Spirit” and not say “in Torah observance” ?)
@@Choof84 The answer to your question is, to begin with taking all of the Biblical text into proper context. If we isolate verses and passages in an attempt to justify our rebellion against Adonai Elohim’s instructions, we can make the Bible confirm anything we want it to say.
Yeshua/Jesus specifically stated that He did not come to abolish/do away with the “Law” or Torah (which literally means instruction) in this passage - Matthew 5:16-19 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven. (17) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. (18) For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (19) Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
The word translated as accomplished/fulfill in verse 17 is the Greek word - πληρόω (plēroō)
Thayer Definition:
1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
Part of Speech: verb
The word translated as accomplished/fulfilled in verse 18 is the Greek word - γίνομαι (ginomai)
Thayer Definition:
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made
Part of Speech: verb
He further went on later to specifically state that we are to do what Moses taught in this passage - Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, (2) saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. (3) Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
We further have the Church leadership (including Paul) after Yeshua/Jesus’ resurrection and ascension to heaven instructing that new followers of the Messiah will hear Moses and learn from that instruction in this passage - Acts 15:18-21Known to God from eternity are all His works. (19) Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, (20) but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. (21) For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.
What are Paul and the Church leadership saying?
We must tell new followers of Yeshua/Jesus to stop committing the obvious sins in their life; as they gather and hear the Instruction of God (Law) the Holy Spirit will convict their heart on what else they need to repent of.
Yeshua/Jesus before His ascension to heaven instructed that all of His followers should disciple others in the proper way to live out the commandments (law/Torah) that He had taught His disciples, in this passage - Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. (19) Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
In regard to keeping the sacrifices.
The sacrificial system has not been done away with, abolished, or in any way discontinued. Read the last nine chapters of Ezekiel. You will find the description of the Temple that will be worshiped at and sacrifices will be performed while Yeshua/Jesus reigns as King for one thousand years.
The reason that sacrifices are currently not able to be performed is there is no Temple, no Levitical Priesthood, and no Aaronic Priesthood.
According to the Instruction of God (law/Torah), it is a sin to offer sacrifices since the above-mentioned items are not in place.
We can understand this by reading the following two passages - Leviticus 17:8-9 Also you shall say to them: 'Whatever man of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice, (9) and does not bring it to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, to offer it to the LORD, that man shall be cut off from among his people.
And, - 1 Kings 9:3 And the LORD said to him: "I have heard your prayer and your supplication that you have made before Me; I have consecrated this house which you have built to put My name there forever, and My eyes and My heart will be there perpetually.
Since God chose to put His name at the Temple after Solomon dedicated it, it will be a sin to offer an animal sacrifice at any other location than the Temple location in Jerusalem.
In regard to Romans 14
What is the context of the passage?
The answer:
The context of the passage has two parts -
1) Eating meat that is considered clean according to the Torah, but could have been potentially offered to an idol before being sold in the market.
2) Whether or not it is better to be vegan or not.
The passage is not a discussion about whether or not you should put shrimp sauce on the pork chops for dinner.
Keep in mind the words of the disciple that Yeshua/Jesus loved, who said - 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
Ever since the beginning of mankind's existence, sin has always been the disregard of the Instruction given to them by God. As followers of Yeshua/Jesus, we are supposed to live as He did. This means that we follow and obey all of His Instructions (Torah/Law) that are applicable to us.
Keep in mind what Yeshua/Jesus said in Matthew 5:18, not all has been accomplished in Biblical prophecy and it will not all be accomplished until after His one thousand year reign as King. You can read about that in Revelation 20.
Hope that helps answer your question.
@@TzadiJames Context is great, what is the Context of Matthew? Jesus is fulfilling the Old Testament, like in a prophetic way...i.e. Jesus is the Messiah. Your definition of fulfill seems quite narrow and ignores the way that Matthew uses it. Matthew uses it to explain that Jesus is doing what was prophesied about the Messiah. And Jesus doesn't say he came to fulfill the Law...he says Law and Prophets...i.e. the whole Old Testament. What do the Prophets add to the Law, they speak more fully about the New Covenant. What does Jesus initiate at his death, the New Covenant.
from Mt 5:18 - I suppose the idea that Jesus accomplished all things in the Law and Prophets makes the most since in the context of him inaugurating the New Covenant. He literally says, It is finished (Jn19:30) and then the curtain of the temple is torn when he dies (Mt 27:51) which Hebrews 10:20 clarifies, this is the new and living way that Jesus opened for us to enter the holy places. But as to the Law and Prophets themselves, the word of God stands, it will continue, but the way it is applied has changed over time, which again is part of the Prophets...who mention many times a New Covenant that will include forgiveness of sins, the sending of the Spirit, and the entering in of Gentiles.
You also seem to have missed the context of the majority of the New Testament, which is...how do Gentiles fit into this whole thing. Nowhere will you find instruction from the Apostles or Jesus that indicates Gentiles should adopt the Law. Jesus speaks about it in John 4 to a Samaritan. A time is coming that true worshippers will worship in Spirit and truth, not in a specific location and not a specific people. Jesus also mentions, a group of people that He will call in the future Jn 10, another flock (i.e. Gentiles). So we must ask the question, did Jesus tell his disciples to follow the Law, yes I agree Mt 23 does say this, though the book of Hebrews specifically ch 8-10 makes the point that once the New Covenant was initiated the Old Covenant was no longer necessary. it uses two words, obsolete and vanishing. Did Jesus intend for the Gentiles to follow the Law? No I don't think so, because that's what most of the rest of the New Testament is about and it isn't instructing us to do the Law.
Your conclusion of Acts 15 is ignoring the full context of the book of Acts. If they intended them to follow the Law, they would have written something like, Brothers don't worry about what the circumcision group said, they did not go out from us, salvation is not in following the Law you don't need to be circumcised to be saved. But you need to know that God wants a Holy people, and His Holy people must follow the Law. So you need to be circumcised to honor and love God.
The letters says nothing to that effect or even hints that Gentiles should consider follow the Law. And this is easily confirmed by reading Acts 21:25, this is something like 9 years later. James says specifically about the Gentile believers, that they follow the 4 instructions, and it's good. Not that they should follow the Law.
As for the context of Romans 14, you appear to be describing 1 Corinthians 8 and 10, not Romans.
Your idea of 1 Jn 3:4 makes for a very narrow way of defining sin, that I don't think can be intended by John. (But I like what you said at the end, it's God's instructions that are applicable for us. Yes precisely good answer, now we must understand what is applicable for us) He does not appear to be saying literally, "sin is not following the Law of Moses." Because he gives a bunch of examples in the rest of the chapter and it's all based around love (not food or feasts or Sabbaths). He concludes in 1 Jn 3:21-24, that keeping God's commandments means 1) believing in Jesus (as God) and 2) we love one another in the way Jesus commanded. This is I think we see consistently throughout the New Testament called the Law of Christ. Which is applied to all believers, whereas the Law of Moses is not applied to all believers (only Jews, and if we study carefully only to Jews before the New Covenant).
As for your statement about the sacrificial system. Read Hebrews 8-10, especially 10:5-18 it's not on pause because the temple was destroyed. This book is before the temple was destroyed. And it clearly states that Jesus offered up one sacrifice for all time, and that because of this offering that forgives all sins, there is no longer any offering for sin. It's not for lack of Levites and a Temple, since those things existed when the book was written.
As for specific prophecies about the end and final judgment of God, yes clearly Jesus didn't do that part yet. But he did inaugurate it. Often times theologians describe this as the already and the not yet. But the important thing is that Jesus makes it clear...it is Him who will do this, and all of the prophecies are about Him. So those parts you say he hasn't accomplished...they will happen in the future...but the point I'm making is that we are not looking for a different Messiah. Are we expecting a different Prophet? Are we expecting a different judgement than what Jesus explained? So even though he hasn't made a new heaven and new earth, he has still made known that He will do it, and only Him, because He is God. But instead you seem to think that Jesus' intended meaning that until he judges the earth we should follow the Law. If so why did he do away with sin sacrifices? And if we see the scriptures say that we don't do offerings or sacrifices any longer, because our sin has been forgiven once for all. I.e. that part of the Law no longer applied to us (because the true fulfillment has come), then we must consider the other parts of the Law, do feasts, or sabbaths, or foods or any other laws still apply (or did Jesus fulfill those as well)? The New Testament seems to say over and over again that those laws are not what we do, we live by the Spirit. And living or walking by the Spirit is never described in the New Testament as abstaining from unclean foods, nor trimming our hair, nor wearing certain types of fabric, nor tithing, nor offering sacrifices, nor keeping the Sabbath, nor becoming circumcised.
@@Choof84 Good day,
I attempted to respond to your comment on Friday. I spent two hours going through your last comment and responding with scripture passages; after editing the response two times and UA-cam not allowing it to go through I gave up. Apparently, there is a word count limit on comments.
With that said, I will endeavor to be brief in my response.
First of all, thank you for boasting in me, I am proud to see that I am honoring the words of my King which He said in this passage - Matthew 7:13-14 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. (14) Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
What breaks my heart and puzzles my understanding is how many professing “Christians” fail to recognize why Yeshua/Jesus had to come to this earth and die on the cross.
The answer is that The One True God is Holy. Every human being is unholy and there needed to be a way so that HaShem could have a relationship with us because He loves all human beings.
Sadly much of the confusion is from the fact that every human being has embraced and holds sacred the question that leads to our destruction. That is the question - “Has God indeed said?”
What we all need to understand is that -
1) HaShem יהוה (Yod, Hey, Vav, Hey) never changes:
Malachi 3:6 - For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
2) Yeshua never changes:
Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
3) Their word never changes:
Psalms 119:89 - Forever, O LORD, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
Psalms 119:160 - The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.
All of us who claim Yeshua/Jesus as Lord of our lives need to repent. Because the majority of us do not live as though He truly is Lord or that His Father is Holy.
This, in large part, is due to the fact that many believe the lies that have crept into the Church via false doctrines and vain Theology.
In addition, the majority of “Christians” do not understand the times that we are in. Which is going to lead to many rejecting HaShem, Yeshua/Jesus, and their word (2 Thess. 2:1-12).
We would all do well to remember the words of Solomon (the dumbest wise-man that ever lived) who said - Ecclesiastes 12:12-14 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh. (13) Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all. (14) For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.
Our duty as followers of Yeshua/Jesus is the same duty appointed to us by HaShem when He created us. That is to honor Him by living in such a way that His image is in the earth. When we disregard or minimize even one of His instructions, we are in sin.
As Yeshua/Jesus said - Matthew 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
And,
In - Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. (22) Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' (23) And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Lawlessness is referring to rejecting the Torah (God’s Instruction given through the pre-incarnate Yeshua/Jesus to Moses).
@@TzadiJames Hey wow that’s really great that you took so much time to respond. I appreciate your patience and efforts and sorry that it was so much trouble. I think you have a really important message, that a lot of people need to hear. Many people are not following what Jesus instructed, there are many false movements and prophets and teachers, but we aren’t surprised because Jesus foretold it. We must be careful. Which is what I see you trying to be, carefully understand the Word. That’s a great place to start, but there are some teachings that you are following that I fear are leading you astray. Perhaps I have misunderstood you, but when you quote Mt 7:21-23, the way you are interpreting that would mean that everyone who is saved would need to follow the law perfectly. Everyone has failed at some point in of the law. I think that’s Jesus’ main point of the sermon on the mount. Our righteousness must exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, which is impossible without the grace of God (through the gospel work of Christ).
Have you read Galatians? Paul reminds us, that whoever submits themselves to one point of the law must keep the whole thing. Paul gives an in depth treatise on how the law doesn’t apply to us because we are children of the promise through faith in Christ, being heirs of the promise through the seed of Abraham. For in Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything. He completely side steps the law and the requirements of the law, because he thinks Jesus brings us into a different covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, not the Sinai covenant.
Stop there and read again…Paul teaches that we don’t follow the Mosaic law because Jesus does not graft us into the Sinai covenant. He grafts us into the Abrahamic covenant.
Then he doubles down, if we pursue circumcision, we will be separated from Christ. And he says another interesting statement, he speaks of being persecuted for the offense of the cross. And that he would remove the offense of the cross if he taught circumcision. Think about that…Paul teaches them to not get circumcised and the circumcision group of Christian Jews persecute him. But he doesn’t give in. Why? Paul has completely spiritualized the Abrahamic covenant and finds its fullness in Christ, so that we are not pursuing the Mosaic Law. What do you do with that?
" 11 I ask then, they did not stumble into an irrevocable fall, did they? Absolutely not! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make Israel jealous.
12 Now if their transgression means riches for the world and their defeat means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full restoration bring?" - Rom 11:11-12
Jesus was sent to the Jews only, it is the later failure of the Jews (being hardened by God) to recieve Him, that provides a way for the gospel to be extended to the Gentiles.
So even though God planned that Gentiles be included, at that point the Jews as a nation, had not yet rejected Jesus, so He is still only sent to the Jews. There's no reason to give their blessings to the gentiles.
It's explicit in Matt parallel...
" 24 So he answered, “I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” " - Matt 15:24
And you can this logic in the reply, which Jesus affirms...
" 28 She answered, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.”" - Mark 7:28
Jesus was not lying when He said that it is not right to give her the bread meant for the children. But she says the leftovers are enough to free her daughter, she's not asking for the bread, just leftovers. Since she is not equal with the children (Jews), being a dog (gentile).
But this is not the case after Pentecost, where Gentile believers are completely equal with Jews, since the covenant with Israel has been opened to Gentiles due to the rejection of the Messiah by Israel (in general/ as a nation).
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If Yeshua changed the Torah, he fails the Deuteronomy test of a false prophet, and in Peter's vision, it explains twice that it refers to gentile believers, and Peter never ate unclean meat even in the vision. It's an apocalyptic vision.
Go Keener! Honoring the Word!
You guys should interview Lex from Grafted Church or one of the guys from 119 Ministries about Torah.
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@@grantcaldwell1938 no. We are saved by grace through faith, but we should do our best to be holy because of our love for Him. His law is perfect, scripture says so.
Truth! that is such Christian hypocrisy! Christians say the Torah was nailed to the stake and abolished at that time,, yet they say MESSIAH was encouraging Torah breaking prior during HIS ministry! HE would have been a false prophet and lawfully put to death by the Judim
in 17:19 Keener says he doesn't eat ham sandwiches, and Miller laughs it off. Am I misunderstanding something here? or is Keener putting forward that he would follow the clean food Laws? That whole conversation was really confusing. Jesus didn't change the Law here, because as other commenters have pointed out, Jesus is going to fulfill the whole Law...so what do we make of that comment in Mark 7:19? I think it's added through the teaching of the Apostles, that what Jesus meant here is that after He fulfills the Law, there will no longer be unclean foods. The New Covenant is not entangled into the nitty gritty Mosaic Laws, but only the heart attitudes that are now produced by walking in the Spirit. Neither our salvation nor our sanctification are based around us following the Mosaic Covenant, but this covenant was for Israel. Paul defines what he does now as being under the Law of Christ in 1 Cor 9:21, not under the Law (of Moses) in v 20. And even more clearly in Rom14:14, "I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean."
Hey Travis, to challenge your perspective just a little bit... So, in Revelation 21 John explains that there is a New Heavens and a New Earth and Jesus says "I am making all things new." Could that be related to what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 that not one jot or tittle will pass from the Law until the heavens and earth pass away?
Regarding the Mosaic Law and the "nitty gritty" stuff. Hmmm. The whole basis of the Torah was stated by Jesus, "to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength." He is quoting Deut. 6:4. The Shema. I really believe God commanded Israel (and us) to love Him first with our whole being and trust Him. Then, we have a willing heart to obey His other commands properly. If we look at His Torah as a list of rules that is how we will walk in them. If we approach His Torah as a way of life, the loving teaching of the Father and walk in it from the perspective of Jesus, I think we won't think of the commands as nitty gritty, but a delight as both David and Paul say.
"The Torah of Adonai is perfect, restoring the soul."
- Psalm 19:7
Also, in Romans 14:14 you should look up the greek manuscripts. Paul doesn't actually say "unclean" in those passages. He says koinos in the greek, which is "common". That is a very different category than "unclean" to a Jew. The greek word for "unclean" is akatharsia. This does change the meaning quite a bit getting these two words mixed up. It's maybe not as big as malignant and benign. But, pretty close.
I agree with you that our salvation is not attached to the Mosaic Law, but on the other hand we should do what Paul said in Romans 3:30-31, "Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom brother,
T. Scott
@@t.scottmajor1316 Yes it is possible to connect Mt 5:18 to Rev 21, and then say the Law continues until the end of time. But then we are left with a host of other problems. Such as Mark 7:19, the entire book of Hebrews, every letter from Paul. The leading of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of the Apostles as handed down in Acts 15 as instructions for the Gentile believers. I think at best you can say the Jews should keep the Law until the new heavens and earth...but the New Testament is super clear that it doesn't apply to Gentiles. And the destruction of the temple makes it clear, God doesn't want the Jews to keep the Law...so we might want to consider another way to interpret the verse.
@@t.scottmajor1316 as for Jesus intended meaning when talking about love. In John 15 he specifically says it’s a new commandment. And then later Jesus specifically says it’s a new covenant made in his blood.
To go into Greek is a bit challenging. But consider Acts 10 in Peters vision. Both words are used with Kai joining them, which may or may not communicate anything clearly about it. But it certainly muddies your argument. Jesus is saying I have cleansed it…hmmm hard to really know what to do with that, what is presented in the vision is a number of animals that are unclean not merely common.
What are the implications here? Peter had an idea about what is common and unclean. Jesus says it’s been cleansed so don’t call it common. And the application is that Peter is going to do this thing that he felt was breaking the Law. Maybe we can argue that him visiting Gentiles was breaking a tradition of Pharisees. Why did Jesus have to call it cleansed if it was just a tradition of Pharisees? Before in his ministry he just said woe to the Pharisees they say do this but it’s not correct. I guess it’s a bit complicated. I would have to think about it more. But what are the implications here if Jesus is telling Peter to do something that seems to be communicated as something he wasn’t allowed to do before under the Law. And what are the far reaching consequences? Now we must consider, which parts of the Law do we still keep, which parts are different now? Jesus is changing something here in Acts 10, whether you think it applied to food or not, it still looks like a change.
@@Choof84 Hey Travis, yeah there are really just a few passages that need to be worked out when it comes to people thinking that the food laws changed. You have hit three of them in Mark 7, Acts 10 and Romans 14. They didn't really bring it up on the video, he said it was a commentary by Mark, but the "therefore he declared all foods clean" isn't in the manuscripts. That was added by a translator. Again, that seems like a pretty significant comment to stick in the Bible when it isn't really in the manuscripts. In Acts 10, I feel like Peter explains twice what the meaning of the vision is. As weird as the vision is at face value, there is an explanation/interpretation given for the vision. Just like with Joseph interpreting the dreams of Pharoah and Daniel interpreting the dreams of Nebuchanezzar. The dreams/visions are really odd and shouldn't be interpreted as literal. The man of God through the Holy Spirit gives it's interpretation. Then, in Romans 14 I think that passage is talking about different forms of fasting (ie. meat eater vs vegetarian and also what days of the week to fast). I really don't think that Paul is talking about beef vs. pork. To God, pork isn't food. It is akatharsia. So, I don't think the discussion in Romans 14 is related to the changing of God's food laws. Again, these are just some things I have found as I have been trying to dig in more and understand all of these things and make sense of them all. I have found it easier to make sense of Paul's letters when seeing how he actually lived his life in the book of Acts. He walked in the Torah the whole way through so anything in his letters that "seem" to be saying something against the Torah probably is just a misunderstood idea on our part.
@@Choof84 Regarding Acts 15, that is a pretty well trodden passage too with so many different opinions about it. My understanding on it at this point would be that the big question at hand was regarding salvation. Kind of like how Catholics make you "convert through different traditions" to be saved, some interpretations believe this was a big part of the discussion for the Jews. The apostles and elders were unanimous that we are saved by faith. HalleluYah! Then, the next question is, what should we tell the new gentile believers to do now that they are grafted into Israel (Romans 11 & Ephesians 2) with us believing Jews? I personally believe that the 4 commands given were not a means of salvation for the new gentile believers, but more of a minimum requirement of fellowship to get started with the believing Jews in their local congregations. Then they say that with that minimum starting point they will be taught by others in the synagogues the commands of God in the Torah: "For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” - Acts 15:21
I think of it a little bit like when Israel was given the 10 commandments on Sinai and that is all they could handle at that time. It was an overwhelming experience to be in the presence of God. So, Moses went up and learned all the rest of the commandments that he would keep teaching them the rest of the 40 years in the wilderness. But, the 10 commandments were a wonderful starting point to have a new congregation and fellowship.
Again, these are just some of my thoughts and learnings in these things. Take them or leave em. :) Shalom brother.