My Honest Opinion on Pro Cycling Manager 2024
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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From your Rembe videos it appears we still have 20 CPU teams happy to let CPU riders into the break but determined to spend their entire energy bar to pull the user back..
The sprint train bug is absolutely crazy, like they didn't test a sprint stage a single time ???
Sadly I think this game is living a slow and painful death. I obviously don’t know the numbers but every year there’s less and less features and the company that makes the game seems less and less interested. Hopefully I’m wrong and they get back on track
This makes me so sad to read. I played it a decade or so ago and never understood how to play, but recently got the 2023 edition on sale. After actually learning how to play, I'm having sooo much fun with it, but also there are soooooo many small flaws in it that I just don't get how that could get through to a published version.
I completely agree with you; this game is incredibly frustrating. If we're finding these bugs within the first few days of its release, how could the developers have missed them? With just a few minor changes, this game could be amazing. It's unbelievable how they mess it up every single time!
Appreciate you did this video. It help me see things a Lets Play might miss.
That feature where you could see who won the different KOMs and sprints during the race was an important factor, taking it away is crazy. I was hoping to expand on it the old one, since when the race is done in the past you can't see who won the different sprints and KOMs that was during the race. Only the the final points for the stage in the result page.
So they made this even worse. Shame on Cyanide.
You're right that some things are really gone from old times. I miss the more detailed way to set up tactic before the race, and wished that more detail setup back. Maybe some improvement. Like picking out your sprint train, and who will you watch, other team or other rider, so a road captain can act while I sit in the car. It's a manager game so maybe less hands on, like on a sprint. Adding a roadcaptain stat that of course increase with years for cyclists could be my teams AI in-game.
Cyanide need to learn how to setup economics for sure. You are spot on that Benji.
I miss an update on the transfer feature. If you have money and dossier points, you can get any riders without competitions from other teams.
I still remember dual-sponsorships from PCM 2011, so it's cool they've reintroduced it, but you can add this to your list of reintroductions. I wonder how the game will handle jerseys with dual-sponsorships. The prospecting page looks cool too, and I agree with you on the happiness about other races.
The facilities are really cool.
And the sprints, yes. It's definitely the same in 2023 (not that it makes it any better). They should look into that.
I'm fairly sure the gravel stuff was also in 2023. I've had strong cobble/downhill riders handle Strade better in that game than my puncheurs. I agree on the feature itself.
I miss the information about tour, race and in-race bonuses: in earlier versions (I can't remember which was the last one, but it was several years ago) you could see how much money was awarded for which position in the race and at intermediate sprints.
This is my first PCM for a couple years and really confused by how to do the flat sprints now. The old days of having a train of effort cursor 99 on the front and peeling off one by one until the sprinter doesn’t seem to work anymore. Hoping someone has figured out how to do flat sprints
you have to attack with the front cyclist in low effort and do the relay you did in the previous PCM's
or if u have a worst convoy , u should put 3 riders behind the cyclist u think is the fastest and 10\9km to the line, u put them on the 99 relay and try to arranje space in front of the peloton
You are bang on with the 'flagship feature' returning from an old game point. I play a lot more of the TDF release than PCM, and the same issue arises there. This year, the 'flagship feature' was online multiplayer, but it's pretty much the same mode that was implemented in 2011/12 and removed in 2015.
I have 2019 where you could set training effort manually and optimize peak and then bought 2023 on sale where objectives controlled that or tried to.. awful.. any changes here for 2024 ?
Hey Benji, great content and fully agree. I'd rarely use sprints in my team/pro cyclist because of the broken sprinttrain system that's there for years. Other flaws that are there for years is the crazy fast development of talents (havent tested it so far this year), not being able to attract sponsors based on the nationality of your riders and it's always way to easy to win certain stages with flat finishes close after hills (one stage in the Saudi Tour you can always win by pushing on the last hill, AI cant find a way to counter this). But the biggest problem of all is that there is such a lack of visibility of the devs themselves. There is quite a community but I dont see them making their own video's and interacting with customers.
Curious if you’ve played or have thoughts on the console TDF game (PS5)?
You obviously love these games so really enjoy your passion and points on here man especially the intermediate points bug/omission.
Hey Benji i think you are absolutly right, i play PCM since 2005 and i noticed the same issues like features they kick out and later bring back like a new invention... But what bothers me the most is the poor Sprint mechanic, its almost impossible to get your Sprinter in a sprinttrain to the line...
Does the AI chose the facilities properties too ? .. if not then the human player has an advantage what i would not like
Benji, thanks for your honest opinion. Do you think some of those things are gonna get fixed or adressed?
Thanks for the video Benji. Pity about the objectives. Just wondering can you get around it by adding more objectives? e.g. do the sponsors have an interest in the Vuelta (per your example) that would allow you to add it to your list so that for now you could add objectives for everything the sponsors have any amount of interest in. Or is it limited?
I found TT also broken, but I really don’t know if it’s because off changed difficulty! 77 TT +5 in form and I was behind a 69 tt guy😅
Had a bug yesterday, Attacked up hill, let off at the top and somehow managed to pull a 9 min gap at 59 pace lmao.
Any chance you can have a sit down with the pcm development team? Would make a great video and you have sich big knowlegde on the game!!!
I have a call booked in with them this afternoon… in French. 😂
@@BenjiNaesenTV very good, tell them the truth...
@@BenjiNaesenTVI feel that type off comunication is very important, the developers need to know from a player the problems the game has to try and fix it!
@@BenjiNaesenTV just remember smashing random yet appropriate Flemish and English words into French is not as cute as smashing French and Flemish words into English. Suerte con Todo.
@@BenjiNaesenTV I believe in you benji!!!💪
Liked listening to this after not looking into PCM at all for a long time. Gonna watch some video's of ur career but fun listen!
We also had discussions with leaders for race program, it gave more dynamism
Great video, agree with everything here. The sprint is game breaking and not being able to see intermediate sprint results is head cracking.
I feel like the race dynamics & AI intelligence are so far behind the modern game world.. It looks like it is exactly the same as 10-15 years ago. Played lots of Cycling Manager and then the first couple of PCMs as well, but looking at the first races on Benji's career it feels oldschool/non-dynamic/non-intelligent. Weird stuff happening in sprints, competing teams are not anticipating and not reacting to what you are doing
@@brouney as someone who played PCM from 2004 to 2010 and just got back into it. I feel like nothing has changed in the past 14 years. Interface looks a bit different, but apart from that, playing a stage/race feels the same. And graphics also look the same.
I'm pretty sure the sprint bug was in 2023? How is this not just hot fixed. Sprint stages worked better 10 years ago...
I just have 1 question. Has the game experience improved for players who don't want to watch the races? Like, is there a fast mode where you're still able to have an strategic impact on the races somehow?
Is there anywhere one could search the database the game uses?
What happens if you change sponsors, does the jersey also change?
Yes, it does.
Seeing PCM 2006 images is an automatically like to this video. Still playing today. Recycling those "features" is just crazy... I'm glad I started to buy this game in 3 year intervals (2019-2022-2025?) after 2016... It's always the same game.
Did they make it easier to manually manage rider training/fitness in career mode? In PCM 2020 you could do it in the planning screen, where you could also see rider fatigue. In 2022 you could only do it in the rider objective screen, so only 1 at a time and no view of current fatigue. I hated that change as I always found the game never managed fitness and fatigue very well so I always had to manage it, and looking at all riders all at once and making changes was so much easier
Probably that will be "Great New Feature!!!" in PCM 2025
I wish they would skip 1-2 release years, just release a DB update and use that time to change engine. It is painfully obvious that the engine is so full of legacy that it is way to hard to iterate on. It is time to give the community something better, but sadly thats not the way game-dev world works.
i still play with pcm 2019
Al de moeite om een main-save carrière te beginnen of nog teveel bugs voorlopig naar jouw mening? Zijn er overigens ook al packs van PCM World die de echte frames, helmen en wielen etc. bevatten? Fijn dat je terug PCM-videos post! 👍
My main mode since 2022 is actually Pro Rider, so I'm not sure if I'll return with my big unit rider back with Black Spoke Pro Cycling...
Edit: Only just found out that the team folded after last year. Now I really need a new Australasian team to back.
The race objectives are broken. Aimed for visibility 2 in NC, got visibility 10 and won the race but still counted as failed
Yes, I saw that bug was reported to the developers the other day. I do expect that to be fixed in an upcoming patch so I'm not overly worried there.
Doesn't winning non objective races still please the sponsor in the end because it counts for the season objectives (wins and ranking) ?
I actually don't know if Season Objectives influences sponsor happiness. One would hope so, but so far I've seen no confirmation of that myself in my career mode. That being said, if that's the case, I still think that's a relatively "limited" replacement of the old feature.
So should I buy pcm 23 or 24
2006
So if a race is not on a sponsors list, results from it does not impact the sponsors opinion at all?
I can kinda see the logic of removing the ‘noteworthy’ non-sponsor objective results, because these now contribute to the season objectives? By removing them it shifts the balance back in favour of the objectives which makes sense. But I agree in the case of really big results like monuments and GTs there should still be some added effect. Removing the sponsor feedback on team composition is a big loss for immersion too
For me gameplay is still the biggest issue. We see how everything in real life gets more chaotic every year and teams has to fight for every position. But in PCM you can always just cruise in top 20 in the peloton without any effort and always be in good position
the last 'new' pcm I tried was 2013. Didn't like it, so I went back to 2006. Still playing 2006 today.
that is not to say that 2006 doesn't have a ton of issues
My Steam account shows me i have every PCM since 2013, i always want to support the game manufacturers. One thing on Pro Cyclist mode that annoys me is the fact you can't join under 23 teams. Why can't we select the team we want to start the career on if we have under 23 teams on the game? This is an example of how easy are the upgrades needed. Also a really big shout to the PCM community that every year makes a lot to get the game enjoyable, with shirts, variations, stats updates, etc all for free and that let everyone enjoy it. If some of these people worked with Cyanide for sure the game would be better.
Still think PCM 2020 remains the best version of the game. With a few database updates you have hours and hours of fun for a fraction of the price
There was a big PCM sale a couple of weeks ago on Steam and I was keen to buy, so I went and read some reviews and 9 out of 10 were "This didn't change shit from last year, get the old one instead." with the price being 1€ cheaper the older the game was.
I ended up not buying anything.
I dont understand why the graphics dont improve, you have soo much tecnology and AI can also help
All I can think is, how hard would it be to make my own cycling management sim🤔
Finally someone say it. Its so frustrating, they go 1 step forward and 2 steps backward, every year.
Man I played the original PCM like in the really 2000 and none since, and the main 3d racing part is quite almost the same mechanics 😂
The French commentary is EXACTLY the same also 😂😂
I feel for the guys /girls that played every year for a large amount of time...
Looks like cyanide doesnt want to put much effort... Sadly
They charge for PCM 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 the same amount of money. That's ridiculous.
This game used to be so amazing. But now youre still basically playing the game that came out in 2010. No lie.
Hi Benji, grateful for this detailed video and for you to be back on PCM in such an uncertain period. Cuz I guess that your voice matters a lot and it's very well deserved.
Pcm2006 was indeed a very solid and enjoyable version, I wish they would just realize this and kinda duplicate it to the existing engine or new one even.
• Sprints in these old versions were actually so great. Okay there were no HTC-highroad's like trains, but you could still be active in the last 3km, trying to jump from wheel to wheel, optimize the drafting, and launch the effort at the best possible moment. And of course there were no sprint killing 90° turns back in time. So basically we used to feel more in control and surprisingly the results were even more realistic anyway! 💁♂️
• Speaking again about old stuff, do you remember when there were cyclists real faces in the game? Of course it was a bit ugly but still remarkable. Nowadays I think we can still find the faces folder but of course it doesn't work. And well, on PCM and TDF most of the riders look like Greipel with even more muscles. Realism also goes through this...
Besides, I got some development ideas that I'd love to share but I'm just an invisible viewer 😅 Sent you an invite on IG
Thanks Benji!
What about Graphics....? The technology is evolving and we see amazing games with amazing graphics and PCM has the same graphics for some years now. They should find a company to help them with this. On pro cyclist career I can`t evolve on other features like chrono or flat, after choosing to have a moutain rider. Level 15 and still the same
No PCM 24 for me then, lets wait for PCM 25 when they may fix the bugs
New PCM - new bugs + renewed bugs which was fixed 5 years earlier
Something is wrong with the prologue aswell. I'm unable to ride a top 15 with the topfavorite, but if I let him do it on auto, he wins or is second. I usually pone the time trial and prologue.
Next to, also the system before the sprint has become dumb, but that was already before this edition. I'm okay with the setup your train super early part, but it is not normal that when my train is ahead, other teams can drive through and than they hold me up.. That is like, why? Just make the same rules for the AI's teams. Lastly, the idiotic system in which you get upgraded based on rider stats instead of team ranking .. I think I'm giving up at this edition. It has only become worse and, .. why. I can indeed remember how great PCM2006 was, and when you compare it to this, nothing really changed.
You can still see who wins intermediate sprints and KOMs by clicking on the circle corresponding to it. It will show up like last year
No.
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The game basically has not changed for many many years. The underlying databases are the same. I think it’s just seen as a cash cow with minimal costs used on development. No real passion put into it by the developers.
Would love em to make it more like fifa.. i find it Way to complicated and time consuming for setting up the calender / trainings.. they should make it more “friendly”
I personally disagree. If you want a FIFA experience, the Tour de France game is the one to get, Pro Cycling Manager should be all about planning, transfers, strategising, managing staff, riders…
@@BenjiNaesenTV Didnt even know about that game.. thank you for Lightning me up :D
The sprints need a revamp. Leadout trains doesnt work anymore.
PCM2022 is the best version there is today. Too bad there's no up to date WorldDB for it. Hopefully they fix sprinting for the new version because the game is unplayable with this shit
22 was the last version I played.
I bought 23 but never played it.
Thinking about playing again now that cycling season has me a little hyped for it.
Why should I play 22 instead of 23? What makes it better?
Thanks!
@@nealm6764 They changed the game mechanics around sprinting in pcm23 and the general consensus is that it is a lot worse than it was before.
In most of the cases the outcome of a sprint is not affected by the skill level of a player. There are simply too many random external factors which can not be controlled at all, and aren't very realistic either.
But I'd say if you want to get back into the game you can install both versions and do a couple of races to see what you like and dislike ;)
This video is a good presentation of the new features. Although they seem interresting, i just feel they aren't worth 40€. So, this year, for the first time in a longt time, i will not buy PCM because i'm tired of paying full game price for what should be a free update.
And it's still not as outdated and update-lacking as the Tour de France playstation game 😅
with a proper investment and some actual thought into 2025... this could become a great game... I wont be buying '24 and honestly have give up on the whole series. Secondly the console version actually looks quite good.... has all development gone in that direction?.................
The sprint problem is completely ridiculous. Absolute garbage.
Imagine what Take2 Interactive could do to a Cycling Manager game with their budget. Damn. I think they could wipe out Cyanide completely with their money alone
Or EA... 🎉
@@ivovoeten8689 please don't let EA near any Cycling game, first thing they would do is strip down career mode to force us online
Vooral de sprints beginnen echt frustrerend te worden, het 2e jaar op rij dat je met een Merlier of Philipsen niet eens top-10 kan halen
Haven't played it since 2018. And don't think I will buy the 2024 as well. Like you said there are too many good things gone while they implement something new. So for me It still is the same game as a couple of years ago.
My main issue so far is that I spent a whole season focusing on objectives to please my sponsors and they turned around and offered me a far LOWER contract. I passed & exceeded every single objective and was on course to meet a happiness score of 150 for both sponsors and yet they don't think i'm worth their time. Why focus your new release on sponsors if it's half-cooked and the game doesn't actually reward you for meeting objectives? It rewards mindless sponsor hopping for whoever offers the most money
In general I also can't stand the transfer point system, why should you have to commit a limited amount of points just to see what a rider wants? In the early seasons where the point prices are inflated a failed negotiation can absolutely devastate your whole save & leave you in a position where you don't have enough points to actually spend your money.
Didn't think too much about the sprints but you're 100% right, if my leadout is quite fast then I often actually see them beat my dedicated sprinter due to their loss in momentum.
In general I feel there are certain stages which are far too easy to cheese; if there's a steep hill near the end of the stage then the AI can't deal with your team being aggressive & will simply sit back whilst your team punches up the steep gradient and causes a split, there was a race in the tour down under where my riders represented 6 of the top 7 in a "sprint stage" because of this. Milano-Sanremo is also a guaranteed win by using the exact same repeatable tactic as in last year's game.
Ultimately I think the game suffers from the niche it occupies; cycling will never be as popular as sport like football, baseball or F1 so these games just don't have the demand to fuel a great degree of innovation. For a better game we will likely have to hope that the actual sport underneath it becomes more popular.
Hi Benji,i Hope next year the Change the Transfer and dossier system !!!maybe Like Football Transfer without Points 🤬
P.s when you are this or next year january ,february in calpe .let me know ,WE can Ride together 😂and with two or more Coffee stops,Safe !!! 😂😂greets from Germany 🎉
The sad thing is the game gets no love from the developers in part because it’s a niche game with not a lot of budget but I have PCM 2018/2020/2022 and I play mostly for the pro cyclists career and their was in those 4 years nearly nothing new to that in fact it got worse, in PCM 2018 you could negotiate your contract and sign for several years for a team if you want now in the 2020 edition till now it’s gone and everything is automated for you without any of your input…
Honestly, I don't like the facilities much. Parts of this could be personal (like hired mechanics) and equipment (afaik it didn't do anything in 2023).
Benji you completely missed how shallow the new sponsors really are... Theres no multi year deals, except the ones hardcoded in the database, and you never get an "offer" from the sponsor you have, meaning theres never renewal. After you play out the sponsor contract you start with, you are forced to change sponsor and jersey every year... If you are doing some kind of small nation with few sponsors you will never get the sponsor from the country basically. Also the riders you have on your team no longer seems to matter for sponsor confidence, so you could have an american sponsor with a full french team and no downsides etc
I purposely kept it to the points I’ve been able to explore thusfar but I’m happily making a follow-up video when I arrive there. :)
@@BenjiNaesenTV Thanks for the response Benji, enjoy PCM24. Ill like every video in the series!
Sprinting is the worst ive ever seen this game. They just brake after launchin their sprint out of the wheel of another rider. Its so bad ive been simulating every sprint race now.
Well i pointed this out as soon as i saw the ep1 of your new pcm series, not worth our money
Pro cyclist is broke too. Every year it's the same stuff and they take months to roll out the update
All Pro Cycling Manager have problems and the company never solve it , years pass and the game almost dont get new features , the years pass and the game is more or less the same.
I stopped playing this game after PCM 2010. Eventually picked up the '22 version on sale - and it was still basically the same game. Still the same weird 'elastic' peloton behavior, where if you go to x8 speed or whatever your group may randomly snap on a steep hill/downhill - but when you run on x1 nothing happens. Still way to easy to put your six mediocre-ass riders in like the top eight. Still the same ugly af "glowing" shaders and empty surroundings. Feels bad man 😒
Unexperienced development team with not enough money, sad to see this game going down.