The Maxus T90EV was so BAD I sent it back EARLY!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- I'm so glad I don't need to drive this POS any more. It may have been cheap, but was it worth it?
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My son leases his cars. When he handed his last one back they charged him for a missing spare key. Fortunately he had videoed the handover and both keys were clearly handed over. He videos the full body with the collection truck in the background. He treats everything like that with suspicion. He's a traffic cop and it's jaundiced his opinion of other people's honesty.
I assume that car dealers will basically try to screw people over in any way they can, legal or not. I normally prefer locally-owned businesses to buying straight from a mega-corp, but new car dealers everywhere have so thoroughly demonstrated their scumbaggery that I cheer on the efforts of automakers to break the dealership system and sell straight to customers.
A wee piece of advise: - If it sounds too good to be true - it usually is.
Mate I agree with you 100% I drive my mates it's utter crap.
I mean he uses it on the farm, got it for 13k. But he abused the hell out of it, and he doesn't care. It's strong tho, plenty of dents. He's even fitted a diesel rangee extender.
Like he said he doesn't care if it snaps in half, but I assure you the amount he's hit it, I'm surprised it still runs 😍
Had the same problem with an end of lease Audi TT. Collection driver could only find minor wheel scuff, said it would be a £70 penalty. Two weeks later Audi finance phoned claiming £1500 in rectification costs. The list included bald/damaged tyres, badly repaired front and rear bumpers and, best of all, a badly damaged centre console. Said their driver (from BCA) must have been blind to miss all that and, better still, how could the centre console be damaged as my car didn't have one? They dropped all charges a week later. Somebody, somewhere trying to defraud Audi.
Wow 😳
In winter, my car basically has only one heat setting: HI. Got to get as much moisture out of the car during my 20-30 minutes rides so I don't get stupid amounts of frost on my windshield to clear before I can drive away the next time.
We had a run in with Ford finance some years ago, returned the car to their dealer who sold it but failed to pay Ford who were on our backs for many months until we showed them a copy of the receipt signed by their dealerships manager. A few days later the stealership admitted to selling the car but had 'forgotten' to let Ford Finance know !. Never bought a Ford since.
Hmmm, this seems like a dishonest dealer, rather than an issue with Ford itself. Although I guess you can blame Ford for associating itself with this dealership.
If you read the small print on the finance documents, it’s made clear that you are responsible for clearing any outstanding finance on the vehicle and technically this should be done before selling/part exchanging the vehicle as you do not legally have title to the goods. Dealers usually have arrangements with finance companies and will handle this on your behalf in order to make the transaction run smoothly but whatever ever assurances any 3rd party gives you, and it’s very rare they are not honoured, it is the absolute responsibility of the customer to make sure things are done properly. I cannot stress enough how I point is for people to read contacts.
Note to self: never lease a vehicle
Maybe, but at least you are not stuck with it
@@curtisj2165 just buy an older car for a couple of grand and run it until the wheels fall off, then get another one. unless you live in london, in which case, you are screwed
@@_M_O_E_ why are you screwed if you live in London?
Thank you for sharing your experience on leasing.
In relation to the pick up truck... The battery is amazing, it would be a lovely home battery system 🙂
I leased A Mondeo and used it like a van. I had problems with Ford Finance, they claimed a cigarette burn in the seat (I don't smoke), chip in the windscreen (tiny and outside the wiped area), and scratches on the tailgate (probably justified, van use!). I argued back and forth for a while and got the final bill down a little. I would never lease again.
Thanks for the balanced and honest review. Certainly an experience albeit frustrating at the hand-back stage. Thanks again. Maurice from Malvern UK
I own a 2003 LDV Convoy, a model that was replaced a couple of years later by the LDV Maxus panel van. It looks like Maxus was later adopted as a brand name rather than a model name.
just to say your videos are good but I noticed the recent ones are very quiet, I'm having to turn my sound right up
I’ll double check the levels for the next one!
Aye. The sound levels on this one were really low and I had to crank the volume right up; when an Ad popped up I nearly hit the ceiling !
MAXUS..... Is that not the name that homer Simpson gave his car when he became a car designer lool 😂
I figured that maybe the case as we hadn’t seen it for a while,still you couldn’t not try it for £99 a month.
The Vauxhall Vivaro seems to have a very similar temp setup. I keep meaning to book mine in for warranty to see if it really is supposed to be like that...
Same with hire car companies pump you at the end with additional payments.
There's usually a reason why some gadgets are cheaper than others.
Another great video Gary! I've certainly had some experience with lease as my other half has had 3 or 4 on the trot.... Its been fairly straightforward, but we have used a pretty big broker, so their communication etc. is pretty slick. I am well aware of the many horror stories out there when it comes to giving it back.... I have always made sure the car has been as clean as possible, and have always been around on the day, and having spent far too many years in the motor trade, with enough of an understanding of the BVRLA regulations etc., I have always had clean collections with no issues. I do think making an effort by having the car presented well and being polite and courteous to the driver goes a long way! In terms of penalties, I do think they try their luck at every possible opportunity, and do think that their will be a fairly hefty percentage that just pay it.... At the end of the day the leasing company do nothing other than pocket that money as the car goes to auction as is, and with values as they have been post-covid, I'm sure are being sold ahead of what they owe them, so its a win-win for them!!
All Chinese maxus products have awful rust problems, wait until these pick up trucks are 5-6 year old they'll be visible rust on the middle of panels and along all the edges
Their vans are terrible and the councils which bought LDV/maxus vans have regretted it as they look awful rather quickly
My local authority used to run LDV Maxus vans and pickups - they turned into appalling rustbuckets so quickly. Quicker even than the old Austin-Rover based LDV vans from before the SAIC Motor takeover, and that really is saying something!
@@iana6713 Yep, it is amazing how quickly they rust
and the rust is strange, like it will rust along every panel edge but also just a huge rust spot in the middle of a panel
Personally I wouldn’t buy any Chinese vehicles and try to buy as much as i can that is ever built in uk Europe or the west and other western based countries. Having lived in Hong Kong 🇭🇰 when i was young seeing the corruption coming out of china im not shocked about the issue there cars have.. not saying western manufacturers dont have issues but tend to be rear and easer to deal with and spot.
For all it was a commercial vehicle, I had a Mitsubishi L200 for a few years, and that was fairly well specced inside. There's no real need for a crap cabin just because it's a van.
i used to work for the particular company you dealt with. some of the charges are definitely excessive, and the vehicle appraisal training i was given was pretty basic and took only a few minutes. this could be why you were charged for a cable that wasnt standard equipment, they guy was literally just working from a standardised checklist. this isn't the case for all their staff, some have a lot of knowledge and experience, so know what to look for. it just gets bad when some of them act like the any wear or damage is coming out of their own pockets, and start to nit pick.
however, compared to some of the other leasing companies i worked for, i liked how the appraisal is performed when the vehicle is collected and the customer has a good idea of the charges they will be facing. the next company i worked for (which shal remain nameless, but is bigger and very well known) would do the appraisal when the car returns to the depot, and the customer might not get the bill until a few weeks later.
I don’t think it was the collecting company’s problem tbh - they’re just working from the info they’re given. Lease co not knowing the first thing about their own fleet is the real issue.
I've driven quite a few Ford Rangers, one VW Amorok and a Toyota Hilux. All hired by work, so pretty new. The Rangers were all well mannered on a variety of roads, the Amorok likewise (but with more controls on the touch screen, so not as pleasant). The Hilux was only a single cab and felt more agricultural, but not terrible. It also had much less headroom so wasn't great and would have been a real pain (literally) off road
I've never leased, I once bought a new car (£9200 on a bank loan), other than that I've bought all cars outright (never on finance), but as my newest car is an 09 plate I'm probably not the target market for finance / lease companies!
I've leased my last 6 daily drivers in a row, only once had a damage charge and it was entirely justified (badly kerbed wheel). Other than that, no issues at all. The customer experience isn't sexy, I'll give you that. My cars usually arrive filthy, but that's easily sorted.
I have one. Doesn't matter how cheap you see one. Do Not Buy It. Some will, all will regret it. Absolute nail. Been driving since 85 and I've owned some shit boxes and this is by far the worst thing I've ever had, this includes the mini clubman I could see the road through.
Just more Chinese crap.
If it's cheap then check the quality before buying. Caveat emptor.
Just as well it was on a lease.
A vehicle's worth always depends on the use cases. In my case, the towing capacity of 1000 kg would be a deal-breaker, because my trailer's tare weight is already 760 kg.
As for "Don't tow with an EV", I'm pretty happy with my Kia EV9 and its 2500 kg capacity 😅
Works like a charm.
Towing capacity is 1500kg but yes, I agree
@ModernHeroes Seriously? The website for Germany says 1000. But not the point, both aren't enough. Combined it would work out 😬
The Maxis T90EV is designed for the American market therefore there are a number of variables to take into consideration. The average American weighs 650lbs hence the size of the vehicle, usually in the USA there is an addition daily snack trunk placed on the flat bed that has a typical weight of 1000lbs. A lot of roads in USA are unpaved and the terrible suspension and handling would not be noticed
What in the boomer humour is going on here?
I have a MAXUS t90 and am very satisfied - there needs to be an update to the software at MAXUS - it will solve the temperature adjustment so that you can control it, otherwise it is completely impossible - and you also get Android Auto, which is not from the start - but all in all a simple but honest Pick up, which does it well for my needs and at a low price for a new EV
that's pretty interesting - I had no idea there was a software update available, another downside of the reduced experience you get with leasing - would transform it if it makes the climate work properly.
Agree - and yes it is a completely different experience when the henter works - it is a vers simpel car and you can find all the repair manuals online at SAIC motor they also make MG, so DIY is definitely an option - about the bouncing rear I would recommend 2,4 c 2,5 bar tire pressure
This is a lie. You must be selling these haha. There is no update. It doesn't exist and never will. My truck went back three times, they cannot fix it.
@@ModernHeroesthere is no update, he's lying for reasons I don't understand.
and he still doesnt completely knock the Truck even after backing it, thats impartiality for you.... liked this a lot
It's kind of amazing that my experience with a Chinese car (MG ZS EV Max Lux) is almost as bad as yours. The leasing company wasn't that bad but has definitely room for improvement with its processes. The focus on the customer of MG Europe/MG Germany, on the other hand, is abysmal. Good luck with the next bargain EV that crosses your way! 🤗🤗🤗
Thanks for your video, I don’t know about leasing vans and pickups and trying to hand them back with all the scuffs of 2 years working use… what a potential nightmare ! Selling a van , I clean it and flash spray scuffs and they take it or leave it. Plastics I rub with 300 grit wet and dry to minimise. Leasing is not for me
Sounds like you had a cowboy leasing firm. Ive not had a problem but have used a big leasing company. I don't believe that that a PDI happened before you got the truck. How many people just pay charges?
Leasys aren’t a tiny outfit, part owned by Stellantis….
Good video.
I find if im thinking of leasing a vehicle.
I first try to at least book a test drive at a dealer to see if it will be what I want. Maxus i think use to be LDV . and im sure they brought the blue prints for the Sherpa.
They seem to make low budget commercial vans which on the face look good value for companies that want a cheaper alternative to the likes of transit and vivaro.
I suppose with a very small dealer network,the PDI is done at the import dock by a third party company. I remember years ago Hyundai did the same, and it left a lot to be desired.
För someone who wants a 12 month lease they are fantastic value.and you hopefully get out of it without penalties.
And of course you can give it back early.
Just imagine if you had paid cash for that ?
Keep up the good work!
I wonder if the 1 week delay to notify the funder (was that the word you used?) was standard practice in the hope you might forget or maybe some deadline might pass that somehow prevents you from being able to return the vehicle?
Are you going to road test the new 4x4 Maxus to see the improvement
I’ve had 7 pickups over the years and none had any kind of shake like you showed. (Unless a wheel was out of balance from mud off road)
As for consumer products, I always buy outright.
If I don’t have the cash, we go without.
Also these unbelievable deals on Chinese cars come with a human cost.
Buying one of these would be monumentally stupid though 🤷♂️
Yes, agreed. £50k I read? Hilux all the way.
I thought all cars, vans, trucks had to be PDI before it's delivered or handed over you should not receive anything with written messages or stickers on the windscreen its not right👍
Yeah 💯. Was a big barcode sticker right in the “A” zone of the windscreen.
The lease company is providing finance, they don't care about you, or the manufacturer, it's no different than borrowing the money from your bank. When accepting, or returning lease vehicles it's critical that you understand the contract, document the condition (with pictures) and note the contents (e.g. cables, spare keys, etc.) on the delivery/collection note as this becomes the only valid reference in the event of a dispute. After this, the process is usually fairly straightforward, anything related to the contract you speak with the lease company, anything vehicle related is addressed with the manufacturer dealership as a service/warranty issue. For people who regularly change into new vehicles (every 2, 3 or 4 years) leasing can be an ideal route into a vehicle avoiding a significant proportion of the hit in depreciation purchasing might involve, but it's not right for everyone and you should research beforehand.
I understand that to some extent, I just thought they’d be a little more interested in their asset than they were.
I’d almost certainly choose PCP over leasing to fund a vehicle in the future if I wanted the flexibility to not own it unless there was a significant difference in cost.
@@ModernHeroes leasing only makes sense if you save money, in my experience (5 vehicles over 15 years) it's almost always cheaper than PCP if you intend to jump into a new vehicle at the end of the period. The risks are the same in that you don't own the title to the vehicle and you're responsible for excess mileage, and damage at the end of the period. If you want to own it for more than 4 years then purchase, ideally with cash, as this will probably save money you in the long run.
Very good and informative...
I have a ford ranger, no worries 👍
Wet belt?
If it came straight from the import centre at the docks , maybe it hadnt had it's PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection) as many vehicles have Transport Blocks in the Suspension to prevent "bouncing " /Suspension Travel on The Ferry ,or Car Transporter - and these should be Removed along with general setting of Tyre Pressures etc
There was plenty of bouncing 😅 it’s the leaf spring rear suspension that makes it ride so badly empty
I used to have drive BMW Z4 from storage to get PDI.Most of the guys were well over 60, couldn't really get in it ,so muggins got volunteered.
May as well been dragged through the street or done the Cresta Run.The Z4 was pretty bad even with the spring locks off.
Don’t buy cheap electric crap
@ the electric bits of it were the best bits 🤷♂️ it’d be even fucking worse with a diesel engine
@ except when you need to charge on a long run and the charge point won’t work 😬
A vehicle that speaks for itself
-speaks- sparks
Do you get the BYD Shark 6 in the Britain ?.
Nope. The only light commercial BYD sell here is the ETP3 van, which looks like an ENV200 from Wish.
@ModernHeroes Munro Live is appalled at it's bias towards the customer..... over engineered.
Avoid Chinese products. China is waging economic warfare in the West. We will pay dearly.
This is not a car, this is a commercial vehicle…
does that mean it's okay for it to be shit?
@@ModernHeroes No, I was misremembering the exact wording of your correspondence as posted on AS.
I'm still laughing about it now.
Personally I’ve never lease and have financed in the past. But know own all my vehicles no worries on mileage or handing back or interest and so on. I can see leasing companies trying more and more on especially with EV’S, due to catastrophic depreciation and questionable liability in the real world. It would be a healthy ear industry if they wear left to free market rules with the added benefits it may not have issues Like catastrophic depression and massive losses by dealers Financ companies and manufacturers. But with governments dictat it dragging an entire industry down, ultimately We the consumer will be the ultimate losers let alone all the jobs lost and skills. In the long term. We are already seeing the effects like car manufacturers shutting down or winding down plants, layoffs, dealers shutting down or upping there prices by a massive margin especially on the back end with workshops. Also them having to pre register cars especially EV’S then massively discount them and still struggling to sell them just to meet targets. But if i wanted to buy a new ice car my dealer said sorry I can’t till next year but buy the way you could drive away today in this new EV lol 😂. Clearly the industry is in a very bad way and clear combat indicators of a un healthy industry.
Not excusing what your lease company tried on at the end. But as the saying goes, If it sounds too Good to be True it probably IS… or comes with a lot of conditions. I can see more and more funny busines to try to recuperate losses.
sounds like you've discovered the difference between price and value
No I still think it’s exceptional value
no my original statement stands. It's exceptionally cheap. It's a horrible value
I'd never lease no vehicle at least when you buy it it's yours
🤷♂️ there’d be no benefit whatsoever in owning something like this though, unless you’re someone who’s incapable of looking after a vehicle so know it’d be trashed
@ModernHeroes very true I suppose it's lucky you did lease it or would probably struggle to sell it
Just out of interest just googled Maxus T90 lease deals £473pm!
Yeah this was a batch they wanted to shift, I don’t think there are anywhere near as many new ones kicking around any more.
and 5 years full warranty on the entire car and 8 years on the battery - that's not bad for a new EV for 20k with a 90 kw LFP battery
8 year’s on the battery?
The battery is actually the engine of the vehicle.
ICE vehicle’s engine’s invariably proven to last many more years than just 8 year’s.
The longevity of EV’S is 🤨
I still think that an 8 year warranty is great - on many diesel engine you only get 2 years - an LfP battery is expected to have 3 - 6000 charging cycles and if you charge 150 km per charge, that's 450,000 to 900,000 km, I think that's a pretty long distance.
Not this BS again. The length of an engine warranty is a lot shorter yet you’re not dribbling on about how long they last 🤷♂️
I did say. 😂
It’s the only extended test drive I’ve handed back early..
I agree the HVAC is just an on off switch.
Shame, certainly a market for a UK EV pickup, hopefully this won't put off people getting future trucks for other manufacturers
(regarding putting weight in the back to improve ride, guess you never had a Capri 😛)
Most utes have terrible ride quality.
really it may depend on the lease company. £450. for a charge cable you can get for £150.
complaining now is the only way to get a fair deal.
maybe record when vehicle arrives and when they pic it up.
if they're trying to scam you then just report them to the controlling body
we just accept every thing and pay for a quiet life.
the T60/T90 utes are not the best on the market. they have improved greatly over the year's but still behind in vehicle ride and dynamics. combine that with a much heavier E axil in the rear its going to make the ride even worse.
they strip out options to reduce weight and not consume battery.
towing is a joke because its limited to 1000kg and combined with a fixed ratio reduction drive unit sucks the battery at low speeds driving up hills and at highway speeds.
even when not towing fitting ladder racks and a length of storm water pipe can reduce your range by over 30%
You complain about the harsh ride; didn't you test drive it?! Apart from that and the heater control, as you say, it was fine 🤷🏼♂
Like the vast majority of people that ordered one on these cheap deals, no, I didn’t test drive it.
It was fine apart from the things that weren’t fine yes.
Sound a bit low….
It's called a volume knob.
Why do manufacturers seem to think crap vehicles is what people want these days? In the past, cars were good and reliable,( 20 years ago), now they're not and have annoying ' safety' features like lane assist and auto start stop that nobody wants. Cars would do 50- 60mpg not now you're lucky to get 35, and as for EVs they're a joke. Funny they're not selling many cars isn't it? Perhaps they need to start making cars people actually want to buy.
What's worse than an electric car? An electric truck
Rivian? Lightning? This one sounds dreadful to be fair.
The electric bits of it were the best bits 🤷♂️
@@ModernHeroes that’ll teach me to respond to FUD before watching the whole video. Keep up the good work Gary. 👍👍
Vehicle lease, vehicle hire or any similar purchase agreements? No, thank you.
Electric vehicle? No, thank you.
Electric vehicle for business/truck use? Absolutely not!
🤷♂️ I’d much rather have leased something like this than bought it no matter what powers it, and the fact it was an EV made it better, not worse.
I’m on my sixth leased car and have had no problems with delivery or collection , never had to pay a penny. However I’m retired and keep my cars like new , if you’re a normal person and have kids kicking the back seats and perhaps kerb the wheels it will cost you when you return it . But this has to be offset by the money you have saved by not having any depreciation to worry about and much reduced monthly costs compared to buying. For me leasing is the way to go.
Buy an EV you get what you deserve, charging problems, distance problem's etc, oh and don't forget possible self igniting problem's, allegedly.
Didn’t have any of those problems 🤷♂️
Good video
👍
I've never even driven one but I clda told ya it's crap lol
What did you expect from cheap Chineseium?
Electric car HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, don't make same mistake twice. 🤣🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻
The electric bits of it were the best bits 🤷♂️ it’d be even worse with a diesel engine.
Well that's as maybe but where is your Cat?
She's taking a creative break at the moment, but plans to return to UA-cam at some point!
Made in China?
Didn’t think you could get of out leases without a very good reason?
Most have an early termination clause - in this case I had to pay 50% of the remaining payments, which wasn't much at all given it only had a couple of months to run, so was cheaper than having it sitting around doing nothing.
A cheap, Scot, surely you jest
EV...stop right there....
The electric bits of it are excellent 🤷♂️
@@ModernHeroes The rest of the sentence......during the time I leased it 😝
Cheap.........for a reason
I hate those Chinese made cars and trucks
Why? The T90EV is shit because it’s shit, not because it’s Chinese.
@@ModernHeroesChina is waging economic warfare on the west. Only a fool would do business with China. You may save a couple bucks now but you'll pay dearly later...
Maxus shitus, maxus is just sooo bad, like it was made in the 50s don't do it.
How much did Jaecoo pay you to send it back? Shocking journalism.
Oh look, they’re turning up in the comments! I’ve been following this saga elsewhere and this video is an accurate description of the events.
What a roaster.