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  • @oreocookiedough
    @oreocookiedough 2 роки тому +2857

    Putting these no solution questions as a pre-cal bonus question saying "graph the function" would be humorous when the people who don't know what to do leave it blank and then you mark it correct.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 роки тому +594

      😆

    • @janfilby7086
      @janfilby7086 2 роки тому +423

      I would still manage to fail by drawing some bullshit curve 🤣

    • @mathsman5219
      @mathsman5219 2 роки тому +24

      @@janfilby7086 😂😂

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 2 роки тому +16

      @@blackpenredpen I got x equals 2 divided by i when I squared it..you didn't mention that? Why not?

    • @linuxnoodle8682
      @linuxnoodle8682 2 роки тому +60

      @@leif1075 If you multiply 2/i by i/i, you get -2i. They are equivalent.

  • @ffggddss
    @ffggddss 2 роки тому +495

    Here's an alternate take for the exponential equation.
    That parabola-like curve is a catenary; and eˣ + e⁻ˣ = 2cosh(x); twice the hyperbolic cosine. But from Euler's formula, (circular) cosine can be written
    cos(x) = ½(e ͥˣ + e⁻ ͥˣ) = cosh(ix); likewise, because cos and cosh are even functions,
    cosh(x) = cos(-ix) = cos(ix)
    So eˣ + e⁻ˣ = 2cosh(x) = 0, means that
    2cos(ix) = 0 = 2cos(-ix)
    But we know where cosine is 0:
    -ix = (n+½)π ; x = (n+½)iπ
    And that's another way to solve this one.
    Fred
    PS. Great idea, this set of problems!

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 роки тому +82

      Thank you!!

    • @punpun7246
      @punpun7246 2 роки тому +4

      @@blackpenredpen 😇

    • @MathCuriousity
      @MathCuriousity Рік тому +5

      Hey Fred,
      How did you get from squareroot(x) + squareroot(-x) = 2 to e^x + e^-x = 2 ? Thanks!

    • @MathCuriousity
      @MathCuriousity Рік тому +6

      Fred one more question:
      What math topic should i study to be able to make these connections you made between e and cosine and that other one coshine? I want to be able to learn that topic and answer as you did!

    • @ffggddss
      @ffggddss Рік тому +14

      @@MathCuriousity Thanks for the questions. I think I can speak for bprp as well as myself, that it's encouraging to hear from those who are genuinely interested in learning. We must all strive for that!
      "How did you get from √x + √-x = 2 to eˣ + e⁻ˣ = 2 ?"
      I didn't. The former was Q#1 in the video; the latter is Q#3, which is why I referred to it as "the exponential equation."
      "What math topic should I study ... coshine?"
      -- BTW, it isn't "coshine;" it's cosh, which is short for "hyperbolic cosine."
      I'm not sure what name that topic might go by today, but in my school days, it would be either Algebra 2, Advanced Algebra, Complex Algebra, or Analysis, the last of which nowadays goes by the name, "pre-calculus."

  • @ecg3703
    @ecg3703 2 роки тому +845

    The last one has no solution at all because sin(-x) is equal to -sin x so the equation sin x+sin(-x)=2 is the same as saying sin (x)-sin(x)=2 now we can cancle the two sines and we get the equation 0=2 and it has no solution.

    • @notmuchgd9842
      @notmuchgd9842 2 роки тому +75

      thanks, i forgot that sin(-x)=-sin(x)
      so it seems that sin(x)+sin(-x)=/=2

    • @VenkataB123
      @VenkataB123 2 роки тому +153

      Exactly what I got! But, in a slightly different way.
      So, we have sin(x) + sin(-x) = 2
      We know that sin(a) + sin(b) = 2sin(a+b/2)cos(a-b/2)
      So, applying this, we get,
      2sin(x-x/2)cos(x+x/2) = 2
      2sin(0)cos(x) = 2
      0=2
      The fact that sin(x) is an odd function struck me much later, and now I feel I wasted time doing all this😂

    • @VenkataB123
      @VenkataB123 2 роки тому +20

      @@notmuchgd9842 Don't think that's what is intended. Instead, it would still be sin(x) + sin(-x) = 2 (this comes from how we defined the separate functions) but f(x) doesn't have a solution.
      What you're saying is like saying x^2 =/= -1 just because you can't find a solution in the Real realm. So, maybe the other function has a solution in a set of numbers we haven't discovered yet👀

    • @alexsoft55
      @alexsoft55 2 роки тому +25

      Is sin(x) odd also in complex field? I always forget XD

    • @VenkataB123
      @VenkataB123 2 роки тому +37

      @@alexsoft55 Pretty sure yes. Sin and tan are odd and cos is even, even in the complex world

  • @Paul-222
    @Paul-222 Рік тому +75

    For #3, it’s interesting that if you substitute e^i(pi) = -1 too soon or too late, you get stuck with a tautology where x = anything.

    • @Paul-222
      @Paul-222 Рік тому +3

      For #4, you can analyze the series expansions and see that no integer values of n produce any totals that coincide between the two series. The first series is pi times … -1.5, 0.5, 2.5… and the second series is pi times … -0.5, 1.5, 3.5….

    • @farfa2937
      @farfa2937 Рік тому +9

      @@Paul-222 So I solved that using sin(x) = ((e^ix)-(e^-ix))/2i and got 0=4i, then I saw in the other comments that the oddness of sin gives you 0=2 immediately and I felt dumb for overcomplicating so much, but I'm glad to see someone else made it even more complex.

  • @mrgreenskypiano
    @mrgreenskypiano 2 роки тому +126

    This is honestly one of my favorite videos of yours - it’s very clear and concise but still enough content to fill a 10-minute video! All of these sections are different but have the same theme so it still feels like one video - my rating is (pi^2 + 1)/10

    • @jumpman8282
      @jumpman8282 2 роки тому +9

      On a scale of 1-10 that's a LOW score :(

    • @ajl4878
      @ajl4878 2 роки тому +7

      If you divide by 10, then yes

    • @jumpman8282
      @jumpman8282 2 роки тому +14

      @@ajl4878 Ah, I see it now, it's _out of_ 10 lol

    • @ajl4878
      @ajl4878 2 роки тому +3

      @@jumpman8282 yea lol

    • @skylardeslypere9909
      @skylardeslypere9909 2 роки тому +11

      That's 10.86 out of 10 lol

  • @justintroyka8855
    @justintroyka8855 2 роки тому +14

    If you, like me, are bothered by the fact that the process in part 1 doesn't yield both solutions, then read on. The reason is because a number has two square roots, and complex numbers don't have a preferred one of the two like positive real numbers do - you can't just take the "positive" square root because most complex numbers don't have a purely real, positive square root. More specifically, the problem is in the step √[-x] = i√x. Check this out:
    √[-(-x)] = i√[-x] = i*i*√x = -√x.
    So √x = -√x, which is absurd. The way to resolve this is that √[-x] may be either i√x or -i√x, depending on which square root of a number is being chosen.

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 2 роки тому

      Please see my solution to the first equation in the comments for clarification on this point.

  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam 2 роки тому +115

    This is unreal 😂

    • @londospark7813
      @londospark7813 2 роки тому +11

      Pretty complex too in parts!

    • @HershO.
      @HershO. 2 роки тому +9

      Good observation Dr Pun-yam

    • @xevira
      @xevira 2 роки тому +7

      Imagine that.

    • @mokouf3
      @mokouf3 2 роки тому +2

      Should this video be called unreal tournament?

  • @maxwellcody6457
    @maxwellcody6457 2 роки тому +157

    It looks like sin(x)+sin(-x) = 2 has no solutions since sin(x) is an odd function, even with using Euler's formula it leads to a contradiction of 0=2.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 2 роки тому +10

      From what I can tell, Euler's formula is just how to separate the even and odd parts of the exponential as two coordinates, just specialized for the imaginary case, even if there are two other cases which are just as interesting.
      j² = 1: e^jφ = coshφ + jsinhφ (hyperbola)
      ε² = 0: e^εφ = 1 + εφ (flat line)
      i² = -1: e^iφ = cosφ + isinφ (circle)

    • @absence9443
      @absence9443 2 роки тому +36

      you just apply sin(-x) = -sin(x) and that's it

    • @tobyayres5901
      @tobyayres5901 Рік тому +1

      @@angeldude101 why j as imaginary unit ):

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Рік тому +7

      @@tobyayres5901 You'll need to more precisely define "imaginary" in that question. I said "j² = +1", which is very much not the imaginary unit you're familiar with. This is a _hyperbolic_ number, not a _complex_ number.

    • @thedictator1454
      @thedictator1454 Рік тому

      @@angeldude101 is that hard and when u have to study it
      -a highschool student

  • @arostheautistic1045
    @arostheautistic1045 2 роки тому +25

    **gets paper ready for last question**
    **realises sine is a strictly odd function**
    nvm

  • @TeamBuster
    @TeamBuster Рік тому +21

    Mathematician: "Infinity is not a number, therefore this equation has no solution"
    Me, a physicist: "I have no such weakness"

    • @kevinvanhorn2193
      @kevinvanhorn2193 7 місяців тому +5

      Mathematicians sometimes use infinity as a number. But they're careful to specify WHICH infinity they're using and how it plays with the finite numbers.

  • @zactron1997
    @zactron1997 Рік тому +5

    2:45 the second solution can also be found by observing that taking out a factor of i and taking out a factor of -i are both equally valid starting points ((-i)^2 = i^2 = -1). So in reality, you needed to take out a factor of +-i rather than just +i

  • @IvoCampi1
    @IvoCampi1 2 роки тому +12

    The solution of e^x + e(-x) = 0 is straightforward if thinking the two terms as two vectors in the complex plane, having the same module. For simmetry, their phases should be pi/2 and -pi/2

    • @Apollorion
      @Apollorion Рік тому +2

      .. and so:
      1) Re(x)=Re(-x)
      2) Im(x)=i*pi*(2n+1/2)
      3) Im(-x)=-i*pi*(2m+1/2)
      Where n and m can be any integer.
      Since Re(z)=-Re(z) for any complex z, 1) implies Re(x)=0.
      Since the same goes for the imaginary part of the complex number, i.e Im(-z)=-Im(z), 2) and 3) can be combined to:
      4) Im(x)=i*pi*(2n+1/2)=i*pi*(2m+1/2)
      So n and m needs to be equal, and the final solution is (still): x=0+i(1+4n)pi/2 with n being any integer.

  • @akashsriram1434
    @akashsriram1434 2 роки тому +4

    For the e based expression, I used cosine def in terms of e so we get (e^x + e^-x)/2 = 0 = cos (-ix)
    Take the inv cos from both sides to get pi/2 = -ix and solve for x to get -i*pi/2

  • @xavierwainwright8799
    @xavierwainwright8799 2 роки тому +70

    sin(x)+sin(-x)=2 sin(x)-sin(x)=2 0=2. There are no solutions.

  • @luvHugeBressts
    @luvHugeBressts 2 роки тому +19

    İ can do that! İn the last question, it have no solution. Because if we try to do that, we get 0=2 and that was an issue.

  • @logicxd1836
    @logicxd1836 2 роки тому +38

    the last one has no real nor complex solution, because if we use the complex definition of sinx, we have (e^(ix)-e^(-ix))/2i+(e^(-ix)-e^(ix))/2i = 2, then e^(ix) - e^(-ix) + e^(-ix) - e^(ix) = 4i, which LHS cancels out to 0, we have 0 = 4, no solution

    • @meurdesoifphilippe5405
      @meurdesoifphilippe5405 2 роки тому +6

      Right, only you forgot an i in the definition of sin(x) = (e^ix - e^-ix) /2i

    • @logicxd1836
      @logicxd1836 2 роки тому +10

      @@meurdesoifphilippe5405 *cough cough* no one saw that

    • @skylardeslypere9909
      @skylardeslypere9909 2 роки тому +6

      Or you could use the fact that sin(x) is odd, meaning sin(x) + sin(-x) = 0 for all complex x. No calculation required.

    • @danielglazar6811
      @danielglazar6811 2 роки тому

      @@logicxd1836 See what? ;p

  • @angeldude101
    @angeldude101 2 роки тому +3

    e^x + e^-x = 0
    "It's almost like cosh" It is exactly 2cosh(x). cos(x) = cosh(ix), and we know plenty of places where cos(x) = 0.
    sin(x) + sin(-x) = 2
    Where cosine is the even part of the exponential, sine is the odd part, so sin(-x) = -sin(x). So sin(x) + sin(-x) = sin(x) - sin(x) = (1-1)sin(x) = 0 ≠ 2 for all x. It isn't just never 2, it's never _not 0._

  • @erichsu3325
    @erichsu3325 Рік тому +1

    Junior Math: 1+1
    Highschool Math: ax^3+bx^2+xc+d
    University Math: I don't know anymore. - Ho Lee Fuk

  • @en8042
    @en8042 8 місяців тому +2

    1:49, that's when you lose the other solution, sqrt(-1) is i OR -i, so you should get two equations

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky 7 місяців тому

      Exactly. Without that assumption the solution is not complete.

  • @miscccc
    @miscccc 2 роки тому +8

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  • @justushinkelmann8020
    @justushinkelmann8020 2 роки тому +3

    Holding the poceball gives him the ultimate mathematical power

  • @anikbera8675
    @anikbera8675 2 роки тому +1

    The answer you gave ,I understood but x=-2i ,so there must be a conjugate of the complex solution ,
    So it's equtions are:
    x=2i,x=-2i.

  • @literallyme.realmp4
    @literallyme.realmp4 2 роки тому +2

    9:40 I love that so much

  • @d2513850
    @d2513850 2 роки тому +6

    7:36 that's a hyperbolic cosine function: 2*cosh(x)

    • @YoavZilka
      @YoavZilka 2 роки тому +2

      He said “it’s almost like a cosh function”, but yeah, it actually IS a cosh function

  • @isjosh8064
    @isjosh8064 11 місяців тому +1

    8:40
    e^x + e^-x = 0
    e^x = -e^-x
    x = ln(-e^-x)
    x = ln(-1) + ln(e^-x)
    x = pi*i+2n*pi + -x
    2x = pi*i + 2n*pi
    x = n*pi + pi/2 * i

  • @antonyzhilin
    @antonyzhilin 2 роки тому +37

    I have no idea where to start with the last problem, it's so odd tbh

  • @estebandavidlopezmurillo2420
    @estebandavidlopezmurillo2420 2 роки тому +12

    Very interesting video, I wish I had a calc 2 professor like you. I had a hard time passing that course. But I still love math, and I enjoy watching your videos!

  • @josephtraverso2700
    @josephtraverso2700 2 роки тому +23

    You make me smile with each video.
    Thank you

  • @AntonFediukov
    @AntonFediukov 2 роки тому +26

    8:45 can you use the Lambert W function if you multiply both sides by x? That yields an extraneous solution x=0 for one of the branches but I was wondering if this method is viable here if you know what you’re doing

    • @1abyrinth
      @1abyrinth 2 роки тому +4

      I was curious about this as well

    • @rshawty
      @rshawty 2 роки тому +28

      ok so multiply both sides by x≠0 :
      xeˣ = -xe⁻ˣ
      now use the lambert W function :
      x = -x ⇒ x = 0
      but we assumed that x cannot be 0.
      Hence it’s not a good thing to use here

    • @farklegriffen2624
      @farklegriffen2624 2 роки тому +6

      @@rshawty it's fine to use it, just get rid of the x=0 solution because we already clarified that x≠0 for the equation we're trying to solve

    • @rshawty
      @rshawty 2 роки тому +2

      @@farklegriffen2624 ok but you can clearly see that’s useless

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 2 роки тому +6

      @@rshawty It isn't useless. The Lambert W function does not allow you to conclude that xe^x = -xe^(-x) implies x = -x. It only allows you to conclude that x = W(-xe^(-x)), and you must remember this is multivalued.

  • @nice_mf_ngl
    @nice_mf_ngl 2 роки тому +1

    im in absolutely no mood for writing down the solution after banging my head on the last problem for an hour, but yeah, so i first did Euler's form, then i didn't simplify the iota terms i.e.- i didn't write e^i³x as e^-ix and proceeded then i wrote the inverses as fractions and took LCM, i substituted e^ix as a, then proceeded, and with some trivial calculations i got my answer as -ln(0)/i i know it was a pretty simple method but I JUST BROKE MATHS !

  • @anikbera8675
    @anikbera8675 2 роки тому +2

    The domain remain same as it is an example of the 2 graphs same ranges too.
    Common domain is: all real numbers.
    Common range is:[-1,1]
    But they are just image of one another if rotated across y axis by 180°.
    This also proves that sin(x) is a odd function.

  • @supernakke4858
    @supernakke4858 Рік тому

    Love looking all these. I'm looking these years later but they are so great videos

  • @protoroxsinha2451
    @protoroxsinha2451 2 роки тому +21

    For the third one we should go for the definition e^ix

    • @HershO.
      @HershO. 2 роки тому

      It's still no sol I think. Correct me if I'm wrong

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 2 роки тому +3

      @@HershO. It's the 4th that has no solution, because (hyperbolic) sine is odd no matter what you through at it. You're basically solving sin(x) - sin(x) = 2. The third one is perfectly fine and it's just saying 2cosh(x) = 2cos(ix) = 0.

    • @HershO.
      @HershO. 2 роки тому +1

      @@angeldude101 oh sorry I thought they were talking about the 4th one

  • @Voxel79
    @Voxel79 2 роки тому +2

    sin(x)+sin(-x)=sin(x)-sin(x)=0 so 0=2
    simple cheat:
    e^x+e^-x=0 divide both sides by 2 and know that cos(x)=(e^xi+e^-xi)/2
    so cos(x)i=0
    i have also made math problem witch i think is hard:
    proof that:
    2ln((2cos(ln(i))+sqrt(2cos(ln(-1))-2))/2)=pi

  • @kepler4192
    @kepler4192 2 роки тому +5

    7:47 you said it yourself it's literally a cosh function, exactly 2cosh(x) 😆

  • @maxvangulik1988
    @maxvangulik1988 Рік тому +1

    Last one is always 0 regardless of x. Sin is an odd function so you can move the - to the outside. The sin(x) terms then cancel, leaving the equation 0=2. Therefore, sin(x)+sin(-x)=2 has no solutions at all.

  • @tnnm2022
    @tnnm2022 9 місяців тому

    I love how he was able to cheer me up enough to make me smile in the first 5 minutes

  • @567secret
    @567secret Рік тому

    A neat trick with the last one, if we can argue there is no real component to x, it follows x = i*|x| so this just becomes 2cos(|x|) = 0 ie. |x| = (n+1)*pi/2

  • @prajwalpai7604
    @prajwalpai7604 6 місяців тому +1

    For the first equation we can square both sides twice to get a quadratic equation when we solve it we'll get ±2i directly

  • @jimschneider799
    @jimschneider799 2 роки тому +1

    @7:46 - considering cosh(x) = (e^x + e^(-x))/2, it's exactly like a cosh function.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 2 роки тому

      I suppose he wasn't completely wrong. It's not _exactly_ cosh(x), but rather 2cosh(x).

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple 2 роки тому +10

    When I taught algebra in college, I always checked my solutions to make sure they weren't extraneous. I would like to have seen that here, especially on the second equation.

    • @stratonikisporcia8630
      @stratonikisporcia8630 Рік тому +2

      f(i) = ln(i) + ln(-i)
      f(i) = iπ/2 - iπ/2
      f(i) = 0, therefore i is a solution of f(x) = 0
      Since it's symmetrical, -i is a solution too.

  • @rageprod
    @rageprod 2 роки тому +2

    On the surface,
    sin(-x) = -sinx, therefore
    sinx + sin(-x) = sinx - sinx = 0
    therefore sinx + sin(-x) != 2 for all x in R
    QED
    But I know nothing about the complex sine function, so I'll leave to the smartheads to figure it out 🤓
    If sine retains it's oddness as a complex function, I guess there's no complex solutions either.
    Edit: Actually, I just checked and the Taylor expansion of the sine function has only odd degree terms, so yeah, it retains it's oddness. So no solutions at all! Postscripty QED.

  • @luiscrispinvargas3061
    @luiscrispinvargas3061 2 роки тому +2

    No entiendo nada lo que dice pero sí entiendo todo lo escribe , excelente canal 👌👌 , saludos desde Perú.

  • @jamieashworth_
    @jamieashworth_ 2 роки тому +3

    On the first question how do you know which square root of the complex numbers to take, (which is the principal solution)?

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 2 роки тому

      Please see my solution to the first equation in the comments for clarification on this point.

  • @dwagonyt
    @dwagonyt Рік тому +1

    Here's another way for number 2, when we get to ln(-x^2) = 0, can't we do ln(-1) + ln(x^2) = 0, and ln(-1) is i*pi because of e^(i*pi) so in other words i*pi + ln(x^2) = 0; ln(x^2) = -i*pi; x^2 = e^(-i*pi) = (e^(i*pi))^(-1) = (-1)^(-1) = 1/(-1) = -1; so therefore x = +-sqrt(-1), aka +-i

  • @EmpyreanLightASMR
    @EmpyreanLightASMR 11 місяців тому

    4:39 How to draw a Cartesian plane properly. Also, how to describe the inside of a black hole.
    f(x) = ln(x) + ln(-x)

  • @jumpman8282
    @jumpman8282 2 роки тому +7

    For those who wonder why 𝑒^𝑥 = 0 doesn't have any complex solutions:
    If it did have a complex solution then there would exist two real numbers 𝑎 and 𝑏 such that 𝑒^(𝑎 + 𝑏𝑖) = 0
    But 𝑒^(𝑎 + 𝑏𝑖) = 𝑒^𝑎⋅𝑒^(𝑏𝑖) = 𝑒^𝑎(cos(𝑏) + 𝑖 sin(𝑏)), and there is no real value 𝑎 such that 𝑒^𝑎 = 0
    and also no real value 𝑏 such that cos(𝑏) = sin(𝑏) = 0

    • @schizoframia4874
      @schizoframia4874 2 роки тому +1

      If it can be written as an infinite polynomial, wouldn’t we get infinitly many sol. I think i see the falicy in my logic but…

    • @alejrandom6592
      @alejrandom6592 2 роки тому +1

      @@schizoframia4874 that's an interesting question. Like, what happens to the roots of the taylor polynomial as the number of terms approaches infinity

    • @schizoframia4874
      @schizoframia4874 2 роки тому

      @@alejrandom6592 thanks

    • @MichaelRothwell1
      @MichaelRothwell1 2 роки тому

      That eˣ=0 has no solution is equivalent to the well known fact that ln 0 is not defined.

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 2 роки тому +1

      @@schizoframia4874 Calling it an infinite polynomial is inaccurate. UA-camrs often say it is an infinite polynomial for the sake of analogy, but the problem with analogies is that they are imperfect and flawed and not an accurate description of what is happening. They are there to aid your intuition, not to give you an accurate understanding.

  • @greenogorxz7153
    @greenogorxz7153 Рік тому +1

    Я знаю причину по которой у вас не было второго ответа (2i) в первой решении, вы посчитали, что √-1 = i, но ведь на самом деле √-1 = ±i, если бы вы это учли, то как раз бы получили второй ответ

  • @BryanHsieh-c2q
    @BryanHsieh-c2q 2 роки тому

    after getting e^2x = -1
    I just set x = i(theta) /2
    then original function can change to e^i(theta) = -1, theta = pi + 2npi
    then x = i(pi + 2npi) /2

  • @baukenieuwenhuis6470
    @baukenieuwenhuis6470 2 роки тому +1

    I have the best solution for the third one:
    e^x + e^-x = e^-i i x + e^i i x = 0
    this is already one of eulers identities but ill write it out anyway:
    cos(-ix) + i sin (-ix) + cos(ix) + i sin(ix) = 2 cos(ix)=0
    cos(ix)=0
    ix = pi/2 + n pi
    x=-i (pi/2+n pi)

    • @nG27227
      @nG27227 2 роки тому

      Alternatively, just use cosh identities: e^(x) + e^(-x) = 2cosh(x) = 2cos(ix). But this is a nice way to derive the same thing with more fundamental identities, without needing cosh.

    • @baukenieuwenhuis6470
      @baukenieuwenhuis6470 2 роки тому +1

      @@nG27227 I didnt know that identity but pretty interesting :)

  • @pigna_calda_official2058
    @pigna_calda_official2058 13 днів тому

    For the last one, the equation will always gives 0 = 2, because the sine function is even. I also tried using complex exponential form to confirm this result and It should be correct

  • @zacharyrumschlag
    @zacharyrumschlag Рік тому

    I thought I was crazy with the last question! thanks everyone for confirming my suspicions.

  • @Cpt_Muma
    @Cpt_Muma 2 роки тому +2

    I might be wrong, but I've always thought it wasn't correct to use SQRT and LN with negative numbers, thought there are complet solutions. So is it "correct" to write SQRT(-1)=i and ln(-e)=1+iPi for example? IDK if it's only to avoid confusion, but all math teachers keep using the definition of i as i²=-1, but never SQRT(-1)=i

  • @asparkdeity8717
    @asparkdeity8717 2 роки тому +1

    for all inputs, real and complex, sin(z) = -sin(-z) sin(z) + sin(-z) = 0 identically for all complex inputs. Hence the last equation has no solution at all over the reals or the complex numbers

    • @MathCuriousity
      @MathCuriousity Рік тому +1

      I understand why there are no reals, as x can never equal -x logic. But why is there no complex?

    • @asparkdeity8717
      @asparkdeity8717 Рік тому +1

      @@MathCuriousity the reason is, sin(z) is entirely analytic over the complex plane, hence we don’t need to deal with any problems such as branches - and hence still maintains the odd property (u can even see this using a Taylor Expansion in z, which has infinite radius of convergence) for all z in the complex plane. Hence for the exactly the same reason as no real solutions x, there are no complex solutions z either

  • @aadishaktiprasadaadishakti2927

    e^x = e^-x
    (e^x = e^-x)e^x
    e^2x = -1
    squaring both sides
    e^4x = 1
    taking ln both sides
    ln(e^4x)=ln(1)
    ln(e^4x) = 0
    i.e 4x = 0
    x = 0
    Im a 8th standard kid so no comments :D

  • @sumitrabanerjee3649
    @sumitrabanerjee3649 5 місяців тому

    The first one has another take
    (Simplified) :-
    Let the equation
    √x+√-x=2 be true
    Therefore,
    √x+√x*i=2
    As the LHS is a complex no.
    While the RHS is a real no.
    Therefore the equation is false
    (Proved)

  • @FranLegon
    @FranLegon 2 роки тому

    sin(x)=1 x=π/2+2nπ n∈ℤ
    sin(-x)=1 x=3π/2+2mπ m∈ℤ
    π/2+2nπ=3π/2+2mπ
    1/2+2n=3/2+2m
    1/4+n=3/4+m
    n=m+1/2
    Considering n,m∈ℤ, we can conclude there are no real solutions.
    But what about sin of complex numbers?

  • @twelfthdoc
    @twelfthdoc Рік тому

    Using the evenness of the sine function, sin(-x) is the same as -sin(x).
    The equation sin(x) + sin(-x) = 2 becomes: sin(x) - sin(x) = 2 => 0 = 2 [->

  • @dock_ed5720
    @dock_ed5720 Рік тому

    For the equation e^x = -e^-x could you not just multiply both sides by x giving you xe^x = -xe^-x then take the Lambert W function: W(xe^x) = W(-xe^-x) giving you x = -x therefore x = 0 ?

  • @TheMathManProfundities
    @TheMathManProfundities 4 місяці тому

    Be careful, we can only say √(-x) = i√x when x≥0 or Im(x)

  • @chai5466
    @chai5466 2 роки тому

    Can you do a series about problem solving involving exponential growth/decay? Thank you!!!
    Problem:
    Rhyz and Zhayn lives in an island-town with population of 2000 people. They came back from vacation to the island but they catch the highly-contagious COVID-19. A week after their return to their town, they infected 6 more people.
    a. How many will be affected after another week (assuming no health protocols have been practiced.)? Their public health center decides to isolate their town once 30% or more of their people are infected.
    b. After how many weeks will the public health center isolate the town?

  • @alikaperdue
    @alikaperdue Рік тому

    Without watching, I see that it is c(1+i)=2, where c=√2. So the left equation is a line through 1+i from the origin. A 45 degree line in the 1st and 3rd quadrant of a graph. The line obviously goes through y=2 at x=2. So the point at which the equation equals two will occur at √2+√2i.
    I was so wrong. I was taking the absolute value of the left side. Ignore my ideas, the video is good.

  • @sanjaykamath90210
    @sanjaykamath90210 Рік тому

    LHS
    = sqrt (x) + sqrt (-x)
    = sqrt (x) + sqrt (( i ^ 2) * x)
    = sqrt (x) + i * sqrt(x)
    =sqrt (x) (1+i)
    To find the magnitude , multiply by the complex conjugate
    Magnitude =
    =sqrt (x) (1+i) * sqrt (x) (1-i)
    = 2 * sqrt (x)
    This is true if the RHS = 2
    => 2 * 1 = 2 * sqrt (x)
    => X = 1 IS THE ONLY ANSWER

  • @alexandreman8601
    @alexandreman8601 Рік тому +2

    For the first one, sqrt(x) + sqrt(-x) = 2, how can you find 2 with the solutions?
    Like, if you take 2i, you get:
    sqrt(2i) + sqrt(-2i)
    sqrt(2i) + i×sqrt(2i)
    (1+i) × sqrt(2i)
    And then I'm stuck, and the same with -2i. How do I get 2 from that?

    • @dieschachbrettfee2060
      @dieschachbrettfee2060 Рік тому

      sqrt(2i) is either 1+i or -1-i since (1+i)^2 =1^2+2i+i^2 =2i
      while sqrt(-2i) is either 1-i or -1+i
      If you define sqrt(2i)=1+i and sqrt(-2i)=1-i the equation works but I think those different square roots can cause problems in other equations.

  • @ejb7969
    @ejb7969 Рік тому

    At 1:17, what are we going to get?
    It sounds like "the woodshed" or "the wart's head",
    I can't tell what word it is.
    I love that he concludes the entire function is just a point.

  • @odio_stationofficial3420
    @odio_stationofficial3420 3 місяці тому +1

    Last question literally demonstrates *destructive interference* 💀

    • @odio_stationofficial3420
      @odio_stationofficial3420 3 місяці тому

      I mean the sine one question as the sine waves on +&-y axes nullify each other to give:
      f(x)=sin(x)+sin(-x) =
      f(x)=0
      Anyways that was obvious the other way as well cuz
      sin(-x) = -sin(x)

  • @andrewkarsten5268
    @andrewkarsten5268 2 роки тому +1

    When you consider the complex definition for sine, sin(x)=[e^(ix)-e^(-ix)]/2i, then it’s clear when you plug in sin(-x) that sin(-x)=-sin(x) ∀x∈ℂ, therefor sin(x)+sin(-x)=0≠2 ∀x∈ℂ

  • @eugen3662
    @eugen3662 Рік тому

    The last example has actually +- sign because of the symmetry mentioned in the first example

  • @GodbornNoven
    @GodbornNoven Рік тому +1

    Sin(-x)=-sin(x)
    Basically
    Sin(x)+Sin(-x)=Sin(x)-Sin(x)
    So it's equal to zero.
    That means we're stating that:
    0=2
    This is Contradiction, as such, this equation has no solutions.

  • @mrinaldbhat9921
    @mrinaldbhat9921 Рік тому +1

    solution for last one:
    sinx + sin(-x) = 2
    the angle -x lies in the 4th quadrant, and here sin is negative, hence the equation can be reformed as
    sinx + (-sin(x)) = 2, giving
    sinx-sinx=2, i.e 0=2
    Hence the solution set is {ϕ}

  • @ano3900
    @ano3900 2 роки тому +5

    In the first equation, dont you have to introduce + and - i, when pulling the i^2 from under the root?

    • @moeberry8226
      @moeberry8226 2 роки тому +3

      No you do not, for example if you simplify sqrt(8)= sqrt(4)*sqrt(2)= 2sqrt(2) not -2sqrt(2). You consider the + or - signs when your solving for the value of x when taking even numbered roots. Keep in mind the + or - signs come from the absolute value of x. |x|=sqrt(x^2)

    • @rorydaulton6858
      @rorydaulton6858 2 роки тому +5

      Yes, you do. That is why blackpenredpen did not get the solution 2i originally--he left out the + or -.

    • @rorydaulton6858
      @rorydaulton6858 2 роки тому +5

      @@moeberry8226 That does not work for complex numbers. There is no obvious preferred principal square root, since there is no positive or negative among complex numbers. The standard for "principal square root" is to take the root with positive real part, and if both roots have zero real part then take the one with positive imaginary part.

    • @moeberry8226
      @moeberry8226 2 роки тому +1

      @@rorydaulton6858 I understand that I was giving ano a very easy example with respect to the reals. So it can be shown more clearly. But 100 percent your right there is no principle square root that’s preferred when in the complex world. But in this case we are not solving or finding a principle root at the part Ano is talking about. We take sqrt(-1) to be just i and at the end as blackpenredpen showed we have symmetry along with the fact of the conjugate root theorem which states if a+bi is a zero then a-bi is also.

    • @ano3900
      @ano3900 2 роки тому +1

      @@moeberry8226 couldn't i do the following:
      sqrt(-1) = sqrt((-1)(-1)(-1)) = sqrt(i*i*(-1)(-1)) = sqrt((-i)(-i)) = sqrt((-i)^2) = -i
      but since: sqrt(-1) = i
      I have to consider both +/-?

  • @toirmusic
    @toirmusic 2 роки тому +2

    i immediately noticed e^x + e^(-x) is just 2cosh(x)

  • @koenth2359
    @koenth2359 2 роки тому

    From sin(-x)=-sin(x) it is clear that their sum is always 0, so there is no solution.
    But where exactly is the error below ??
    From the identity e^(ix) = cos(x) + i sin(x), we infer that sin x = - i/2 (e^(ix)-e^(-ix))
    We set this equal to 2. Let α=e^xi, then we get -i/2 (α-1/α)=2.
    Multiply by 2iα and solve the quadratic α^2-4iα-1=0 to find
    e^xi=(2+/- sqrt(3))i
    Now if x = a+bi, (we will assume real a and b, in order to find an expression for x), then also
    e^xi = e^(-b+ai) = e^(-b) (cos a + i sin a)
    Setting these expressions equal
    e^-b (cos a + i sin a) = (2+/- sqrt(3))i
    we see that cos a must be 0 and sin a must be positive (and hence 1)
    i e^-b = (2+/- sqrt(3))i
    e^-b = (2+/- sqrt(3))
    a = π/2 +2nπ for any integer n
    b = - ln(2+/- sqrt(3))
    Edit: I just entered - i/2 (e^(ix)-e^(-ix)) =2 into Wolfram Alpha and it gave me:
    ...
    Alternate forms:
    sin(x) = 2
    ...
    Solutions:
    x = 2 π n - i log(2 i + i sqrt(3)), n element Z
    x = 2 π n - i log(2 i - i sqrt(3)), n element Z
    So who WA thinks there is a solution!?

    • @koenth2359
      @koenth2359 2 роки тому

      Hmmm... I seem to have been solving a different problem, namely sin(x)=2.

  • @wes9627
    @wes9627 Рік тому

    This is because x cannot be both 1 and -1 at the same time.
    Square the given equation to get √(-x^2) = 2 and x^2 = -4 = 4e^(iπ + i2jπ) and
    x_j = 2e^(iπ/2 +ijπ), j = 0, 1. x_0 = 2[cos(π/2) + i sin(π/2)] = 2i and
    x_1 = 2[cos(3π/2) + i sin(3π/2)] = -2i
    Check: √(±2i) = √2√(±i) = √2e^(±iπ/4) = √2[cos(±π/4) + i sin(±π/4)] = √2(√2/2 ± i√2/2) = 1 ± i
    Thus √(-x) + √x = (1 - i) + (1 + i) = 2

  • @siddhesh_sinha
    @siddhesh_sinha 2 роки тому

    Hey btw a good idea for a video is the integral from - to + infinity of sechx is π

  • @蒋正-k6u
    @蒋正-k6u 2 роки тому

    lets consider the essence of sin(x)=-sin(-x), expand sin x as its taylor series, thus we can see sin(x)=-sin(-x) if (-x)^k=-(x)^k and k is odd. but i think quaterions dont obey rule since they break distributive law. so the answer might be a quaterion

  • @roberttelarket4934
    @roberttelarket4934 Рік тому +1

    Great examples!!!

  • @isl_milano9488
    @isl_milano9488 9 місяців тому

    I encourage you to continue, and I hope you solve it this limite: lim_(x->0) ((x^π - π^x)/(x^e - e^x))^(1/sin(x))

  • @ProO_O-n2x
    @ProO_O-n2x Рік тому +3

    There neither real nor imaginary solution because for any x, sinx+sin(-x) =sinx-sinx=0

  • @andrewgjkgjk
    @andrewgjkgjk Рік тому

    Can you write in text what you are saying when you say "if you ever feel the need to graph the __________" (axis meeting point, red dot) around 1:19? I can't make out what you are saying. Thank you so much for great videos!

  • @garimamehta1604
    @garimamehta1604 2 роки тому +1

    sir what is the integration of 1/(sinx+cosx)

  • @MUJAHID96414
    @MUJAHID96414 2 роки тому +2

    2:15 I did it 😊

  • @yapsiauwsoengie6507
    @yapsiauwsoengie6507 2 роки тому

    Would you please talk about this topic?
    As we all know for x approches infinity:
    (1+1/x)^x=e and
    (1-1/x)^x=1/e
    Multiply above equation both side will give us:
    (1-(1/x)^2)^x=1
    ... as if the value of (1/x)^2=0
    Can we then define that when x approches infinity (1/x)^2=0?

  • @closer_to_the_unknown
    @closer_to_the_unknown 2 роки тому

    Because of sin(-x) = -sin(x) we've got
    sin(x) + (-sin(x)) = 2
    Or
    sin(x) - sin(x) = 2
    So, we've got contradiction
    0 = 2
    Because of that we have got no solutions

  • @binaryblade2
    @binaryblade2 2 роки тому

    for exp(x)+exp(-x), I would have substituted x = iy and then you have a 2cos(y) which obviously has many zeros.

  • @joemcz2564
    @joemcz2564 Рік тому

    I was feeling really smug about solving these mentally, but had to break out the whiteboard for the last one. I was getting quite frustrated until I decided to accept what I thought were failures as proof that it's impossible.

  • @darrenxavierjohan861
    @darrenxavierjohan861 11 місяців тому

    Okay, the last question is interesting. Before solving the last question, let me tell you one of the properties of sine.
    sin(x) is an odd function, which means a negative input will give us negative sine of the positive input.
    sin(-x) = -sin(x)
    Now, let's try solving the question.
    sin(x) + sin(-x) = 2
    Applying the odd function property to sin(-x), we get
    sin(x) + (-sin(x)) = 2
    = sin(x) - sin(x) = 2
    But sin(x) - sin(x) cancels each other, so there is no solution.

  • @bobgold4692
    @bobgold4692 Рік тому

    Clever but sort of misdirection on ex.1 converted two separate equations into one simultaneous equation. Different animals
    😊

  • @vishftw
    @vishftw Рік тому

    you and rednilebluenile are best two people. both make videos of my fav subject

  • @VladVideos0
    @VladVideos0 Рік тому

    if x is naiural,this function will always be equal to y+yi because y=√x and yi=√-x

  • @YoungNeil06
    @YoungNeil06 6 місяців тому

    Isnt last one sin(π/2+2πk) which always will give one and sin(-3π/2+2πk) which will also end on the positive side of the circumference as its going to the negatives and then the postives? Reasoning like that it would be 1+1 =2

  • @steluhututui5502
    @steluhututui5502 Рік тому

    Square root of X raised to the power of 2 is module of X so that's why you get ±2i.

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 2 роки тому

    We can use the fact that sine is odd and we have 0=2 so we will get contradiction - no solution in both real and complex

  • @lilisecretworld
    @lilisecretworld 6 місяців тому

    A doubt. Why e^ipi+2npi? When without the 2npi the answer would be ipi/2?

  • @siddhantchaudhary5712
    @siddhantchaudhary5712 2 роки тому

    What were your subject combination in bachelor

  • @christiangomez6901
    @christiangomez6901 Рік тому

    For the first one, I think you forgot to put the absolut value of x, after doing (√x)². From that point, you'd get both 2i and -2i values of x, instead of having to analyze it from its beggining to find the other one.

  • @arkdotgif
    @arkdotgif Рік тому +3

    doesn’t the last equation give 0 = 2 ??

  • @matte14-70
    @matte14-70 2 роки тому

    Can you make a video using the quartic formula ?? 😬😬😬

  • @krispy2763
    @krispy2763 2 роки тому

    sin(x)+sin(-x)=2 is impossible since sin(-x)=-sin(x), so we get :
    sin(x)-sin(x)=2
    0=2
    So the last equation is impossible

  • @braziliangentleman5148
    @braziliangentleman5148 Рік тому

    tried:
    sin(x) + sin(-x) = 2
    sin(x) - sin(x) = 2
    0 = 2
    💀
    so I believe no solutions at all, because for any x you try, you will end up with a 0 = 2 which is already an absurd