RIOT DOLL - Animation Short Film 2023 - GOBELINS
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2023
- In Moscow, a young delivery girl is witness to the hatred and divide invading her society. Overwhelmed, she discovers a curious loophole to deal with war supporters. However, the reality she is trying to escape soon catches up...
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Backstage and makings of : / riot_doll.gobelins
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Directors: Daria SKRIPKA, Poornima SUBRAMANIAM, Mrunal KHAIRNAR, Lwazi MSIPHA, Hassan YOLA
Team contact: riotdoll.gobelins@gmail.com
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Music: Antoine DUCHENE
Sound editor: : Mathieu TIGER
Mix: Mathieu TIGER
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Production: GOBELINS Paris - Cécile BLONDEL : cblondel@gobelins.fr
Distribution: Miyu Distribution - Luce GROSJEAN : festival@miyu.fr - Фільми й анімація
Obviously, Ukraine is the victim, and I don’t think this artist is trying to dismiss that. I think what they are trying to portray is that Russians are oppressed and trapped by their own government, and they hate the idea of more people being trapped by it too. Sometimes you get so use to being bullied you just start taking it and accept it as just “part of life”, but watching someone else be bullied can be the motivation you need to stand up. Ukraine is the victim, but the people of Russia are oppressed. Both can be true without belittling the struggles of the other. There are no real winners of war.
No.
Hey, Russian guy here. I mostly agree, just want to add that people's attitude towards the war here is a result of total, monopolizing propaganda. It's easy to dismiss, and a lot of people did - it's blunt, stupid, untruthful, very easy to see through if you know what to look for. So the general attitude towards state media, the rallies, the campaigns was that it's inept, pathetic - won't work on a sane person. But the reality of the past 2-20 years shows it doesn't need to be. It doesn't work by convincing people, but drowning them in it. When propaganda, even shitty and incompetent, is all you see on TV, from politicians, institutions, prominent figures allowed to have a platform, it becomes your new reality. As new generations grow up marinating in it, it becomes the new norm. Now pair that with brutal suppression of opposing views and media - when there is no alternative, people will accept this "reality" even if they don't completely buy it - they simply have nothing else to build off of, there is a limit to imagination of what could have been.
PS: I'm devastated by the actions of my government, what is happening to my people, the damage and the loss of life in Ukraine - it can't be repaid. I wish there was an end in sight or a solution that would see the people responsible trialed by international court.
@@justinmoore8214 life is full of nuances
@@justinmoore8214 No what? You cant comprehend what shes saying here? Maybe when you grow up you will see. Otherwise if you are not part of the solution you are the problem. Predatory people like narcissists are incapable of seeing how wrong their beliefs are. And while usually you can believe whatever you want I disagree when your beliefs prey on people. No is an unacceptable response. You need to go learn what it is to be a grateful empathic human being then come back here and fix yourself with a better response.
Crazy that so many comments arent considering the themeaticc choice of not including Crimea. There's certainly a deeper meaning than just pro-russian propaganda. I think a big example is the fact the girl has a pxssy riot poster at 2:43 and that the film is probably titled after the band. For those who dont know, the band was sentenced two years in jail for their anti-putin songs. I think this film is trying to be an example of what so many youths of Russia are having to contemplate: abide and help or defy and resist a war they have no ability to stop or begin. And i think the artist has made their stance of being anti war clear through the main characters disgust of those who support the regime. I mean the poster she used to keep tabs on the Russian front bleeds after Putin presses the button to end the war, because the only way to end the war under that dictator is through blood
i had to edit pussy because youtube flagged it :/
2:48
You're absolutely right. And knowing that at least someone understands me gives me hope and strength to resist.
@@Bebra_Babayka hope you stay safe wherever you are mate. This won't be the end of the world and you can get through this
@@walnut_raisin2621 @walnut_raisin2621 Thank you very much. I want you to simply understand all this absurdity. A few months ago, one TV presenter (and editor-in-chief) of a popular state channel said : "If we launch a thermonuclear bomb over Siberia, then nothing bad will happen. All electrical appliances will simply turn off for a while. And this is good! Because children will not be able to use their gadgets after all, children in the USSR did not have gadgets! And that’s why they're were smart!” ( nobody didn't do anything to her after this. On television they simply said that it was the idea of some British agents, and her phrase was taken out of context). And this kind of nonsense happens every day. Officials in our parliament pass thousands of stupid laws just to show that they are doing SOMETHING. And schools there is complete horror. Some time after the start of the war, they passed a law that all children in school would gather in a large hall and sing the Russian anthem, and those who did not sing would be punished. There is a severe shortage of teachers in our schools. This is because these poor people receive a very small salary, and the number of their responsibilities is very large. One teacher can replace several others, even if they do not have special education for this. And do you know how the authorities solved this problem? Maybe they increased salaries for teachers? No :) They just did it that way that now teachers are required by law to work like slaves for several people if the school does not have enough of them. But in some cases, no one just cares about it. Children in our school haven’t an English teacher for half a year, because people who know it have a much greater advantage in going and working in a prestigious place. And like I said, no one cares. But despite this, my school is one of the “best” in the city. Although it’s difficult to call it a city, it’s more like purgatory. There are a lot of factories here that process coal, and soot from their waste flies everywhere. This soot is small, black pieces of something that do not decompose. But of course, our officials say that everything is fine with us. Now the main problem of our government is the decline in the birth rate. Hmmm, I wonder why this happened?🤔 And do you know how our authorities SOLVE this “problem”? They literally encourage people to mate. I'm serious. In addition to the anthem, our schools also introduced a special lesson. In this lesson, teachers tell students what a GREAT country they live in, and that we are the "best" in the world. Teachers who do not want to conduct this propaganda lesson will be punished and deprived of their bonus (or their salary will be reduced). But despite this, no one complains (because the're stupid or afraid). Lately I’ve been trying to convince my grandmother that our government doesn’t care about us in order to change her opinion.In our last dialogue she told me something about how they are installing toilets for transgender people in America.. Seriously? Is that all she cares about? We have almost no public toilets anywhere in our city 😐
Ethical considerations of publishing this short during the war are valid but to me it's significant that it brings war discourse back into the spotlight. The film isn't a wishful thinking, it's grim and depicts the ugly reality of helplessness and fear in young generation. And yes, no-one is marching with torches towards Kremlin. Would it be appropriate if this film was about struggles of Ukrainians while one of the students is from russia? I don't think so.
It could go either way. There's always innocents within either country, however every violent speck is going to be inevitable and it's hard to accept this reality because it's brutal and people are forcing it down our throats every day, blasting their fake religion and blessing in our faces and preaching we lose our rights as humans... I bet you.. Jesus didn't fucking want this.
This animation is a metaphor for the helplessness of the ordinary person in Russia. one ordinary pizza delivery man will not be able to shift power or support a large rally. The girl shows a conflict with her parents in the vision of the war situation - this indicates the difference in views between generations, about how young people do not support the war but in the minority they do not have the strength to influence anything in this state. The girl collects and catches some people from her story in her bag, thus the authors hint at those who are actually has benefits in this war, and then the head of state comes out of her bag, which hints that they were all controlled by one person. The man tells her to press the Red Button, an allusion to the nuclear button. The button is shown as a missile launch button, which the head of state puts in her hands - this is a metaphor for the fact that the state administration is inviting her to make a choice in favor of Russia, hidden under the fact that “the war will end.” But this will only lead to greater casualties and will not resolve the conflict. And Crimea is not on the map of Ukraine, as other commentators have noted - this is because it shows a map published in the Russian Federation, and not another map of the world - this can also be considered a metaphor that they are trying to impose on ordinary people the view of the state. At the end we are shown that no matter how difficult this girl’s situation was, she chose the path of supporting people, her bag turns into a bag with humanitarian aid, with blood for transfusion, in order to avoid unnecessary victims, because the only thing she can do is help people , and not turn away from them. She chose confrontation rather than agreement with the war, as many write in the comments. She opposes the regime, but as a simple person, not a warrior or a soldier.
They try to protest, and get jailed. Protesting outside countries like the US is wildly different, way more violent and dangerous. Read a bit about the history forced dissapearences in Russia before making assumptions. War affects everyone
@@carlacruz893 lmaoooo obviously they get jailed, imagine if anyone in nazi Germany did peaceful demonstrations against the government, that is not what russian "protestors" should be doing
as a russian, the scene of a meeting hurt as hell. imagine living in country when true criminals getting their amnesty while people who want peace are under arrest. feels like a bad joke honestly.
Украинец "свободный", не притворяйся русским.
Welcome to America. Same shit different flag, what's new.
Это не так, арестуют только тех, кто устраивает митинги и участвует в них
мені так шкода, мені вам чимость допомогти, поки ви спонсуєте ракети і сидете на жопі рівно?
Бідненькі, сотні тисяч вбитих та закатованих українців дуже співчувають вам🥺
A lot of people seem to be interpreting it very differently from me so. Heres what i got from it:
Shes a russian pizza delivery girl whos fed up with the war but also battling the stuff she was taught growing up. All the murders didnt actually happen, thats just her anger as she ruminates while stabbing into the dinner thats why it keeps cutting back and forth. And then putin popping out is symbolic of the other side of her, which was fed propaganda all her life that makes her internally feel like shes betraying her country by supporting ukraine. Thats also why theres no krym on her map. And the ending i think means she decided to help ukraine in the end by donating blood/working for war relief efforts
It kind of reminds me of an older version of jojo rabbit bahah but i get why some people would be upset that it sort of humanizing Russians WHILE the war is still going on. Maybe the creators bit off a bit more than they could juggle but saying its like anti-ukraine or whatever seems like a heavy misreading to me. Just misreading the room on the timing a bit.
I immediately thought abt Jojo rabbit lol
it's also my interpretation
I also interpreted it this way
this is the most accurate interpretation. People mostly can not grasp messages because theyre brain washed. you on the other hand didnt add your opinion and so a clear message
BRAVO !!! L'un des films les plus engagés des gobelins que j'ai vu... cette thématique documentaire sur la jeunesse russe face à la guerre... la réalité des petits boulots du monde moderne.. Poutine qui à travers la télévision s'invite chez vous pour vous dicter votre vie. La musique est géniale, la réalisation est géniale... puissant ! juste Bravo !
I’m an American, the amount I relate to this as a teen in the south is scary. I think a lot of the comments are misunderstanding the concept (or I am)
This is obviously a young woman (teen or young adult is unclear) and she doesn’t have much ability to be independent most likely due to being a teen or financial reasons.
The struggle of wanting to be on the correct side of an issue while living in an area that makes it at best a social taboo and at worst gets you killed is extremely hard to deal with.
The scene of her fantasizing about doing something, even if aggressive and unlikely to work, was very relatable. Most of the time that feels like all you can do especially when the knowledge of what to do to help is blocked at every opportunity.
The scene of Putin climbing on of a bag and giving her the button was definitely not literal… it’s a metaphor for the illusion of choice that politicians give to make themselves look good. When this young girl says no, I don’t want any part of this, he presses it anyway BECAUSE THATS HOW IT IS. You as an individual can say no but that doesn’t do anything.
The girl sees this and hides, she watches the blood shed from a safe but graphic distance.
As someone with so little mobility and little ability to truly help that’s terrifying. In the short this motivated the girl to help as some kind of medical unit. In real life seeing these atrocities leads teens and adults with little money to find creative ways to help where we can, with spreading awareness and avoiding spending on corporations that defend oppression.
The pressure to just ignore it and hide because you are just far enough away from the crosshairs is overwhelming. But this short is saying no, you have to actually try, if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
If you live in America, or Russia, or any country that enacts and enables violence, you have to realize who the victim is and help as much as you are capable.
As a Ukrainian I do not consider russians to be victims, rather witnesses or active participants. According to the law if you see crime happening and do not do anything, you are responsible as well. An aggressor side can not be a victim. Russian kids are not been k*lled and r*ped, ukrainian kids are
Wow, amazing opinion. Thx for your comment!!
15 rubles deposited, comrade
@@nelo4047 мне стыдно за твой комментарий, верь во что хочешь) Хуй войне. Любите, а не воюйте
Thank you for this comment, I fully sympathize with your sentiments as I have experienced the same in the South. This sentiment pushed me to move away from my home, I know this is not something everyone can or would want to do. It can also be argued that leaving only exacerbates the problem.
Stay resilient, don’t compromise your values and you will find a way. In some ways this short is a full of despair, however it is also a reminder of the power of the individual, even if systems and societies tell them otherwise.
I am so happy to see young artists positioning themselves about the war and social questions in general.
A warm hug from Brazil
I love the grim feeling of this short as it handles this really tough topic. I also think the giant delivery bag is a great way to show burden, pressure, stress, and so much negative emotion the character is feeling. And while at the end, it's still this giant weight on her shoulders, it's for something that will do a lot more good than a fresh pizza.
it's so pretentious and shallow
if you check the author's social media, there's zero mentions of Ukraine or Syria, but surely she showed up to claim the "defiance against the regime" award
There is no burden. There is no weight on her shoulders. She is studying in one of the most expensive schools in an extremely safe place far from any discomfort or pressure. Purposeful victimization for the purpose of self-centricity and collection of pity points from empathetic people like you.
This comment section is the most apathetic and self centered I’ve seen in a long time. Of course both sides struggle in any war, of course normal people feel powerless, of course most people won’t leave their whole livelihood and go to another country to protest, of course most people will be too afraid to riot if it means they could go to jail for years or possibly be killed.
Almost no one in this comment section has even feared for their lives for protesting much less suffered from police brutality and they still think they have the authority to judge. I live in sudamerica, I’ve ran from police, my friends were tortured and so much more, but not even we can compare to the everyday oppression of living in a regime where any form of protest, even online, could mean jail or worse.
The way people struggle to see normal Russian citizens, that are against war but aren’t able to protest, as innocent is baffling to me.
Open your perspective and put yourself in the shoes of the girl in this short film, you wouldn’t be a hero and actually kill all the bad guys, you wouldn’t leave your home and your family and go to another country to protest, you wouldn’t even protest if it meant they could track you and kill you.
This short film is about feeling hopeless, it’s about frustration, it’s about wishful thinking and even the guilt that the protagonist feels. Stop acting like you would do better and stop seeing everything as black or white.
well the problem with this film’s message that ukrainians in this comment section have expressed is that “hopelessness” that you speak of. instead of being a film that ends with a call to action or a hopeful message, it’s one that doesn’t seek to enable any significant change to the status quo. especially since this is a gobelins graduation film, and this school’s films are always given a platform for a plethora of viewers to see. the film team had a great opportunity to relay a meaningful message but ultimately failed
@@teaofpastels tbh I’ve seen more US americans than ukranians in these comments.
In my opinion not every piece of art needs to seek to change the status quo, social media in general has been flooding with donation links and ways to help Ukraine in this war, sharing war footage from Ukrainian soldiers and generally all the brand sanctions to Russian citizens, but sharing a small piece of personal experience from an everyday citizen is a nuance that I’ve seen lacking everywhere so in that sense it’s already breaking the status quo so people stop demonizing every Russian civilian and focus on the actual people that hold the power and have the ability to make real changes, but it looks like US Americans can’t get over the years of indoctrination after the cold war and stop to think that not all russians are monsters and murderers
@@taiswolfwe still shouldn’t undermine the grievances of rightfully hurt ukrainians. this is a war between the oppressed and the oppressor and ukrainians are allowed to be angry at the ones causing all this pain. this is a matter of listening to the victims and many of them have expressed their desire for everyone of the world to stop supporting russians, even civilians, because it equates to less money being used to fund this terrible war. that means we should think twice before giving this film any real weight, which holds a form of soft power. true, I believe that not all russians are bad people but in such a sensitive time, indifference/staying silent is no better than being for the war. I truly wish you the best, as this will be my last statement on the matter.
15 roubles deposited, comrade
@@teaofpastels First, I see your point, and the film does hint at hope if you have noticed at the end when she becomes a medical assistance to deliver donated blood. But in general, short films (as art) are used to express personal sensations. The war can be very complicated from an individual’s experience and it definitely isn’t right to judge someone based on their country’s political decisions; I mean isn’t this the root of all bias. Just because an idea SEEMS politically correct doesn’t mean we need to shove them down people’s throats.
Well, when Lithuania almost closed its borders with Russia, the Russians did protest against the Lithuanian government inside Lithuania. Now remember when the last pro-Ukrainian anti-war protests took place. I'm not even talking about the territory of Russia, but somewhere in Europe or America🤯
Being anti-war is defined not only by a way of thinking, but also by actions. And YOU are NOT doing anything to prove your point. Your hands will forever be stained with the blood of the innocent.
Многие из нас против, многие из нас сидят в тюрьмах за то, что мы против насилия и геноцида. Многие из нас любят и уважают украинцев, у кого-то из нас есть родственники там, у кого-то их уже нет.... Нас сажают как за убийство на 12 лет за то, что любим, нас сажают на 8 лет за то, что мы не хотим кровопролития. Много кто хочет поменять, уйти из этого загнивающего из-за правительства места, но нас осталось слишком мало и у многи не так много финансов, чтобы повлиять на что-то большое.
Я готова своими руками застрелить всех, кто причастен к этому, но к сожалению меня посадят или убьют намного раньше, чем я доберусь до верху.
Многие люди, в особенности пенсионеры и 35+ люди, у нас привыкли жить в том "комфорте" который им предоставило нынешнее правительство. Они не хотят слышать голос здравого смысла. Они кичатся, что все вина запада и других "недружественных стран" и не замечают в своем же глазе огромного окровавленного бревна.
В нашей стране все сфальсифицировано - от продуктов, до выборов.
Глас настоящего истинного народа, который любит людей, который переживает за будущее детей, страны - его не слышат. Его не выгодно слышать. Выгодно продолжать гнуть православную палку и запрещать все то, что "у тупого запада происходит!!!". Чтоб вы понимали масштабность идиотизма - в нашей стране даже не все знают о том, что когда-то летом был мятеж Пригожина)) потому что по телевизору НИЧЕГО об этом не говорилось.
Я же три дня не спала и наблюдала за действием, с помощью стримеров. Да, пригожин не самый лучший вариант на новое правительство, но он показал, что только С БОЛЬШИМИ БАБКАМИ И ОРУЖИЕМ ТЫ СМОЖЕШЬ НАПУГАТЬ ЛЫСОГО. А маленькие люди, без оружия и без чего-либо - не могут. Нас сажают. Мы сидит в тюрьме по 8-12 лет. Нас не слышат, нас считают сумасшедшими, экстремистами и предателями родины. Хотя последними являются они сами.
Многие страны не участвуют в конфликтах других стран, то же и люди. Не гребите всех под одну гребенку.
Кто-то старается помогать, не спит, поддерживает ищет лазейки чтобы помочь пострадавшим, кто-то прописывает грандиозный план по перевороту, стараясь не попасться никому, кто-то уповает на горе трупов и крови скандируя "РОССИЯ ВПЕРЕД, МОЖЕМ ПОВТОРИТЬ, ZA НАШИХ".
Таким примеров достаточно и не только с нашей историей. Везде. Я ненавижу это. Я хочу чтобы это все закончилось.
Но меня одной мало, один ничего не сделает. А многие - боятся сесть в тюрму. Как птичка, что пытается выбраться из клетки, но чью клетку закрыли огромным и плотным одеялом.
Замкнутый круг.
This!! Say it louder! So true. They are doing things that only convenient to them! they do not actually care about war or Ukraine, they are just playing victims
@@miyukiootapeach 1)голосовалі за внука НКВДешного палача
2)закрьівалі глаза на Чечню, Рязань, Норд-Ост,Беслан, Грузію (дваждьі)
3)ми нічава ні можам сделать:(((
Чи є більш гидотне і лицемірне створіння ніж московит?
@@nelo4047 меня в то время не было, либо мне было всего 5 лет :)
Какие спросы с ребенка :)?
@@miyukiootapeachнорд-ост влаштували підлітки. поплач.
really says a lot about that she didn't draw the Crimea in her work
I don't understand, wdym?
@@pancakess8339The fact is that the author cries about how unfairly they are treated by the government, but at the same time she supports the imperialist ambitions of her dictator and the annexation of other countries' territories.
Well Russia will most likely regulate its maps too. The author probably chose to do this to show the extent of control being exerted upon the country.
@@Oleg-dh1rq I see, but isn’t Crimea still on the map in the animation?
stop saying that that's the literal only thing i will disagree about...watch closer, you can see a bit of Crimea at the bottom
Усе ригає
russian „riot”
-get drunk on vodka
-stab sausage
-do literally fucking nothing
Крим з України Привіт українцям з Венесуели
А в результаті то вона подумала, посумувала і знов продовжила жити життя¿ та кров в кінці для кого, російську армію підтримувати? Зробили емоційно, щоб зачепило, щоб нам її, бідненьку, жаль було. Дуже жаль, але вона не зробила нічого щоб українці вважали її не таким же ворогом, як абсолютно всіх інших росіян. Ця анімація - частина тієї самої російської пропаганди, росії вигідно щоб люди світу продовжували вважати росіян хорошими (винна тільки влада, і все таке), якщо люди в світі зрозуміють це і обірвуть зв'язки з росією, можливість що війна закінчиться буде набагато більша
It’s surprising that the main character doesn’t do anything, just fills herself with alcohol, imagines her protest while drunk, and then clearly continues her miserable existence, doing nothing
@@JunaIV it is not surprising, russians are like that. they want to show her as good, but she does nothing better than the "bad" characters to whom she delivered pizza🥱
Я не здивована, враховуючи що режисерка єбуча рососійка лол
А что бы ты сделал на месте обычного россиянина?
@@crimsonland6286 якби я була росіянкою на стороні України, я б просто робила те саме що роблю будучи українкою. Донатила б на ЗСУ, пояснювала б людям з оточення, так як пояснюю вам в інтернеті, що твориться насправді... мммм, плести маскувальні сітки в росії для України мабуть не можливо, тому б старалась просто більше донатити. Якщо коротко, проявляла б свою позицію діями, а не простим занепокоєнням і запиванням горя алкоголем
Я просто в шоці від цього всього. "Бідні бідні" росіяни. "Мільйони постраждалих" сімей від цієї несправедливої "Путінської війни". Курва, ви серйозно?! Скільки вже йде війна в Україні, на сьогоднішній день офіційні данні померлих росіян в Україні ~335110. Я розумію, для когось ця цифра видасця брехнею або шоком, але це правда. Скільки можна казати про росіян які стресують та носять свої "тягарі" у сумках з достаки? Ви курва і досі посилаєте своїх людей на війну! Не путін там в Україні обстрілює мирні дитячі садочки, школи, кафе і дома, ні, це роблять росіяни. Ця короткометражка просто обурює мої почуття. Єдине що мені сподобалося це те, що з карти України хлине кров, бо так і є. Чому курва у вас росіян вистачає духу їхати в чужу країну і вбивати живих людей за гроші, або "тому що змусили", а навести лад в своїй сука країні ви не можете?! В нас в Україні теж були проблеми з президентом (якщо коротко) який взяв всю владу в одні руки, і в 2013-2014 роках українці вийшли на мітинги і врешті на майдан і скинули ту владу, так, дуже величезною ціною життів, але зараз ми маємо вільну країну. Що курва заважає цим "великим росіянам з великою руской душею" боротися з Путіним? Невже перспектива вмерти в Іншій країні як шмат м'яса більше приваблива ніж жити в своїй потенційній вільній росії без путіна та його режиму? Коменти просто захлинаються від скиглень росіян про те що вони нічого не можуть. @GobelinsParis те, що ви виклали це відео показує ваш потяг до однієї зі сторін, дуже огидно було це дивитися, ще огидніше читати коменти. Це просто жахливо. Не шановні росіяни, продовжуйте в тому ж дусі пити водку та марити якимись бреднями з приводу легкого вирішення війни, може у вас щось і вийде може чим більше жереш сосиски з водкою і мрієш тим більше вірогідність що путін сам все закінчить так? Якщо нічого не робити то так і будете до кінця своїх днів жерти сосиски з водкою в обшарпаній квартирці, а ваші чоловіки будуть дохнути на чужій землі. Стільки хочеться сказати з цього приводу, але тут просто не вистачить місця. Може це відео і несе якусь потужну мораль і почуття росіян які теж страждають від війни, але все що я побачила це скиглення, в котре нагадую що ваша російська армія це не путін один це ви всі, які йдуть на війну, які відправляють "гуманітарку" туди ж, озброюють своїх солдат, ті що просто мовчать "вне политике" і навіть ті, що їздять на окуповані території України. Ви всі відповідальні за цю війну і вашого путіна. Слава Україні ❤Слава ЗСУ!
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@@musculussphincter5854 another good russian just called ukrainian a pig. nothing new . shame on u
@@musculussphincter5854а ось і хароший рускій
@musculussphincter5854 that's the russians ppl need to know about, not the animated fanfiction above. Chauvinistic, imperialistic, and two-faced.
@@musculussphincter5854ось і все обличчя "бідних невинних росіян, які проти геноциду"
Як українка я спочатку подумала- "знову агресора видають за жертву 🙄" й хочаб тут дякую що це не є зовсім таким. Але звісно є АЛЕ в цій анімації бо думаю не було при створені сюжету людей з всіх різних сторін війни, + коли ви показували бунт росіян згадала відео з тт з початку війни де вербували бабусю й її ніхто з росіян не захистив а тільки на телефон знімали, це булоб доцільніше показати цю двулікість агресора ніж якусь вечірку вдв 🙄
В таком случае, поищите еще видео с протестов в России. Вы удивитесь, как много людей пытаются друг за друга держаться и спасать в таких ситуациях.
Выходя на мирных митинг разве люди думают, что их придут убивать и бить палками?))
Рекомендую посмотреть еще протесты в Беларуси.
Thank you for giving voice to those poor ruzzians talking abt how tough it is to be ruzzian (no.) Instead of them talking abt the crimes or how guilty they are for not speaking up and just running away, having them to actually DO smth to stand against the powers they agreed to accept by silence, (putin didn't become a tyrant over night) , you just give them another way to whine. This is just a pity party. Their taxes pay for the attacks, they are guilty. They dont speak up against other ruzzians or against war while abroad? They are guilty.
This is despicable and is a spit in the face of thousands of Ukranians just like myself who aspired to go to Gobelins. This is so wrong. Esp adding the "everything is fictional but based on true events" while so many of us have already died in this war just to be safe in our own homes.
As it ever come to you that they don’t want to die like you? So many dying a silent death because they breath a single word of rebellion.
what a shallow way of thinking, what about the layers within societies? do you think standing up in a despotic system is so easy? most of the russian males fleed from the country just to avoid war and millitary. most of the families failed to escape in time because putin blocked them from using their money in abroad. for the ones who are still in the country, do you think they are really happy with their government? do you think they earn enough to make a living? tf they can do since their government had taken everything from their hands?
This is so weak. Do you not want artists to depict their authentic stories? Do you not want Russian opposition to the war to be seen or heard? Would you prefer we believe in the propaganda of a united Russia? I understand how it's easier to create a "villain" out of the entire country of Russia, but there are people that exist outside of the imperialist, nationalist bubble. People everywhere suffer from war, and its important to show that.
@@i_forgot_my_lunch7362 unlike you i saddly know russian and followed many opposing liberal russians before and after the war started. once i realized they dont care and actually dont get killed unlike my people did in 2013-14 maidan while protesting the regime. so no they arent dying a silent death, you just really dont understand how russian political system works.
@@priz_rach im not saying its easy. my people stood against the regime many times as we are a nation of ppl who suffered from russian oppression during tsar years and ussr years and even afterwards due to puppet politicians in our system. many people died but fought for what they treasured most - freedom. and yes ik most of them are happy w the government cus i used to watch their media more than ukranian media, including navalny, maxim kac, varlamov and etc. they were the ''neutral'' side that held polls abt how ppl felt abt war in their country and most of them either didnt care or supported it. most russians dont see ukraine as a country but a malorosia (little russia) which came all the way from ussr times.
Why would you cut off Crimea from the Ukrainian map? 😕 says a lot about your perception.
Лол девушка живёт в стране где Крым российский какая карта должна у нее по вашему висеть?
@@Cammilla_Everdy судячи з вашої логіки тоді незрозуміло, чого в росіянки в кімнаті карта України 🫤
@@lulenni6089 Там карта не только Украины, а всего мира. Странно на мой взгляд покупать карту конкретного государства чтобы потом на стену повесить 🤣
@@Cammilla_Everdy придивіться уважніше
@@lulenni6089 тогда это еще странее🤣
Poor russians, how can I help you from my Donetsk region?
You can tell what we are supposed to be doing instead. Please be as direct as possible because I genuinely don't know what to do.
@@nikitaegregrщо ще українці мають вас навчити поки переживають черговий геноцид?
Ти паче, що українці з самого початку писали цілі треди для росіян.
@@nikitaegregr look up how maidan started, maybe you can take some lessons from there.
@@nikitaegregr вступай в рдк
@@nikitaegregrможеш - роби щось корисне для Перемоги України (диверсії, збори грошей на ЗСУ, І Т.П.). Не можеш - емігруй в іншу країну, інакше ти будеш допомагати режиму (податками, вкладом у ВВП і т.п.)
Молодці, популяризуєте нікчем)
It is a well crafted short. The depiction of the opposition within Russia is romanticized to absurdity, though. Even outside the country, russian opposition isn't capable of uniting and producing any results. Their self-pity about being powerless to act against Putin's regime looks like a parody in contrast with Russian Volunteer Corps that was assembled in 2022 by russians who fled from political prosecution to Ukraine and decided to actually fight against Russian Federation state alongside Ukrainian armed forces. Aside from these folks, the resistance is effectively nonexistent.
The riot struggles depicted in this short pales in comparison with reality of Ukraine before and now, when russian soldiers keep committing numerous atrocities this very second. That is the most vivid and striking depiction of the russian spirit. So the reaction of confusion or anger from Ukrainians after seeing a vague emotional journey of a saddened moscow citizen is understandable.
That being said, after seeing the apathy or sincere approval of the corrupt tyrannical state by your fellow russians the only best way of protest is to leave the country, to vote with your legs by crossing the border and to get a life in some civilized state that doesn't think of itself as a Soviet Union 2.0, when you get settled donate to Ukraine to help her withstand the onslaught of your brethren. That's my wishful interpretation of the ending
Хаха РДК
Forgive us that we are the kind of people that don’t like to clean up other people’s crap and we have no time for revolutions and oppositions, we have our own lives, work, families. It's up to the Ukrainians to clean up Ukraine's shit, not the Russians.
If the Russian opposition had not fled to Ukraine and made plans there to destroy Russia and overthrow Putin, nothing bloody would have happened. Trust me. Blame Ukraine's policies for its mistakes.
If Ukraine had agreed to give Donetsk the right to redistribute taxes, there would have been no impetus for the start of the armed conflict that was preceded by the miners' uprising.
Greetings from Donetsk.
Дякую, що знову даєте платформу "хорошим росіянам", які звісно же використовують це щоб розповісти які вони бідні жертви, замість того щоб розповісти про реальних жертв в Україні👍
Обираючи між тим щоб розповісти про злочини своєї країни та геноцид українців, або вчергове зробити з себе жертву і розказати як росіяни страждають доки українці вмирають: росіяни завжди оберуть друге.
чувак, поверь мне, человек который несерьезно относится к жертвам с обеих сторон конфликта никогда бы не снял такой мультфильм
@@dusalejnikov I don't understand Serbian
@@darkne1t да мені не складно тобі перевести - повір мені, людина яка несерйозно ставиться до жертв з обох сторін конфлікту ніколи б не зняв такий мультфільм
@@dusalejnikov як раз таки тільки такі і знімають щоб виставити себе жертвами і що це все "лише уряд"
@@darkne1t я навпаки дивуюся як люди можуть себе почувати винними в країні де взагалі все контролює уряд. тут же половина народу за війну, тобто ти своїх же боїшся, а за будь-яку відкриту антивоєнну річ тебе садять на величезний термін. тому і накопичується кому емоцій, показаний в мультфільмі. не обов'язково знецінювати чужі проблеми, коли говориш про свої
Oh yeah,poor russians, of course. Of course I need to hear about brave russians when my city is constantly under fire
ruzians so pathetic
To me it's not showing bravery, but a dream of someone who feels helpless. Do not become compassionless like the evil leaders that wages war against you.
@@chlorophyllheart I do not see leaders launching rockets on my city, only ordinary russians. There is no putin figthing on the frontlines, there ARE ONLY RUSSIANS,
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@@chlorophyllheartthis isn't about compassion, when war is out we have to survive and drive home the point that russia is an agressor and the ones in it sponsor the bombs with taxes while not acting or speaking up. They let putin become a tyrant, he didn't turn evil over night, many just waited for him to stop being a president and move on but he didn't. ((So russians are guilty but not everyone who lives in russia is rus, the empire is a bunch of jailed nations with no money under the belt from the government))
@@chlorophyllheartнаконец-то хороший комментарий, в отличие от всех остальных, которые тут представлены!! Спасибо Вам, за него!
яка ж цинічна хтонь. головна героїня абсолютно нейтральна до всього, наче просто спостерігає : хм, окупували цю область-поставлю кнопку, чисто щоб бачити. їй не тяжко від війни. їй тяжко від того, що "вона стає свідком ненависті і розколу ", така бідося.
Прям как украинцы с 2014 по 2022. Хотя нет, они же ещё радовались обстрелам Донецка и Лугнаска.
Так сказала как будто конкретно эта девушка что-то может сделать, или ей поплакать надо было? Именно в сцене её фантазий о расправе над милитаризмом и отображается небезразличие
@@fer_3965 прикинь да, може. окрім фантазій можна боротися, таких фантазерів як ця жіночка в анімації сотні тисяч, і вони не можуть об'єднатися щоб на щось вплинути
I believe that the directors from this film have good intentions. They just wanted to express their collective frustration towards the war. You could say it's not the right moment to sympathize the invader side yet how could those “in between “ Russians can do. It’s been 2 years, the people I know they’re struggling to the situation and they have totally opposite political ideas towards their family. What can they actually do in their life?
Clearly it's inappropriate to release the film while the war is still ongoing. But everyone has their freedom of speechless, the directors should be able to tell any topics they feel connected. I appreciate that the school allow this sensitive film comes out and I hope that the artists have prepared for the harsh comments already.
At the same time I hope the Russians who against Putin don’t feel abandoned from any of the groups anymore.
15 roubles deposited. Now continue to spawn more rusdian cannon fodder
Some of the worst horrors in humanity were and will be caused by good intentions...
Неожиданно было увидеть нечто русскоязычное здесь, очень показательный ролик
In my personal opinion, the author seems to have tried to do everything to make the audience sympathize with the aggressor and those who are not trying to do anything about it. At the same time, the real victims were dismissed as if their troubles were not important at all. Of course, I'm glad that the main character wants it all to end, but one wish will not be enough here.
мульт как раз показывает, что любые попытки изменить ситуацию в данном случае связаны с насилием. героиня не может изменить своих соотечественников, и ей остается только жить дальше и переживать
@@dusalejnikovIt is pathetic that russians prefer to fight with Ukrainians, but not to fight for their own dignity, freedom and their future without Putin.
@@nito7165 most of the people do neither, because our people do not decide anything and just try to survive the current president and hope that it will not get worse. if anything, now even the most harmless "ways to fight" will lead you to a huge prison sentence)))
The aggressors are shown here in an extremely negative light, what is sympathetic about them? The blonde lady is hideous and her child seems insane, the girl’s parents are mindless bog and, and putin looks like the devil
@@dusalejnikovdon’t worry, you already have few places in prisons, there’s not enough for anyone 😊
I am from Russia and for me this film was very close emotionally. Personally, I interpret it this way: the cropped map on the girl's wall has to do with her clearly conservative pro-Putin parents - I don't think they would be happy to have a map with Ukrainian Crimea in her room (my parents would just tear it down and cause a scandal), the same goes for her silence. She's not thrilled with the situation in the country, but she doesn't protest with the people at the rally, she runs away. Instead of taking real action, she only imagines in her head how she harms vatniks and OMON, and when Putler presses the red button, she hides in her bag. Here I saw myself, just as scared, cowardly, weak and unable to act for change. I didn't see here at all the image of a "good Russian" that is mentioned in the comments, I feel solidarity with the character, but this character is not positive at all, her actions make me feel only powerlessness and frustration. I swear I fantasise about throwing a molotov cocktail at the Kremlin, but I'll never do it, because I'd rather sit quietly in my comfort zone until something bad happens outside. But at this rate it will never end.
Я из России и для меня этот фильм оказался очень близок эмоционально. Лично я интерпретирую так: обрезанная карта на стене у девушки связана с её явно консервативными про-путинскими родителями - не думаю, что они были бы рады карте с украинским Крымом в её комнате (мои родители просто сорвали бы и устроили скандал), то же касается её молчания. Она не в восторге от ситуации в стране, но она не протестует вместе с людьми на митинге, а убегает. Вместо реальных действий она лишь воображает у себя в голове, как вредит ватникам и омоновцам, а когда путлер нажимает на красную кнопку - прячется в сумку. Тут я увидела себя, такую же напуганную, трусливую, слабую и не способную на действия для перемен. Я совершенно не увидела здесь образ "хорошего русского", который упоминают в комментариях, я чувствую солидарность с персонажем, но этот персонаж совершенно не положителен, от его действий ощущается только бессилие и разочарование. Я точно так же, клянусь, так же фантазирую о том, как кидаю коктейль молотова в кремль, но я никогда этого не сделаю, потому что лучше тихонько отсидеться в своей зоне комфорта пока что-то там плохое снаружи не закончится. Но такими темпами оно не закончится никогда.
Почему ты с таким унижением говоришь о себе? Почему страх и бессилие вдруг стали постыдными в мире, где еще недавно осуждался виктимблейминг и процветала эмпатия? Почему эмпатия к одним должна приводить к полной потере твоего самоуважения?
Не понимаю и не пойму никогда.
@@hrpo5827 спасибо за ваши слова, пусть они и не были адресованы мне, выдохнуть стало чуть легче.
Если почитать комментарии, то будет понятно, почему мы себя так ощущаем. Буквально весь мир вдруг осудил каждого русского, сказал ему, что он делал недостаточно, в то время как мы, дети неполных семей, бедные студенты, пролетарии на самой низкой зарплате, все мы просто пытались жить, строить свои планы, заводить семьи, радоваться жизни насколько это возможно в разворованной, нищей стране. Теперь мы не имеем права даже на это, потому что весь мир осуждает нас за поступок, который мы не совершали, который мы не одобряем, и который, будем честны, мы не в силах изменить.
Я не была рождена для того, чтобы воевать с режимом. Всё, что я могу сделать, чтобы помочь украинцам и собратьям русским, страдающим от путинского режима, это выйти на площадь, облиться бензином и поджечь себя. Я никогда не хотела совать нос в вещи, которые не понимаю, которых боюсь, я просто хотела спокойно жить. Также, как и украинцы. Да, им тяжелее. Но какая разница в чём ты тонешь - в луже или в море? Исход и у одного и у другого будет один и тот же. Один сгорит в огне от бомбы, попавшей в его дом, второй сгорит от огня своего стыда, с запахом бензина.
@@hrpo5827 потому что с детства нас "кормят" сказками о борьбе добра и зла, героях и тд
Уже предчувствую сколько говна польется в комментариях.
Yuuup
AS a ukrainian I have MAANY questions, why people are victimising russsians. And why UKRAINIAN MAP IS CROPPED LIKE THAt? It is not a coincidence! They cropped a crime- which was occupied by Russia in 2014
She - the girl - bought the map in Russia, where she lives. So it’s an accurate detail, not a political statement by authors. In my opinion
This film is against Putin government against war and talking about what the Russians are living
not about what the Ukrainians are living
it’s a Russian point of view
@@grandtipu1816 no ones buy ukrainian maps in russia. This is nonsense. And secondly, no maps cropped like that, it was made internationally- I know it for sure
*intentionallly
This is a russian perspective made by russian people telling their own story and struggles with war. It’s not a suffering competition, it’s an insight into one girl’s life.
мне было стыдно это увидеть.
очень удобно оставаться во Франции и делать такой контент о России.
многим украинцам помогла эта анимация? или может из-за нее сменилась власть в России и закончилась война?
это так здорово уехать отсюда и бить в грудь из-за бугра, говорить "как можно оставаться в этой стране?"
а есть люди, которые этого не могут, хотя и хотели бы.
есть люди, которые любят свой дом и хотят в нем оставаться. и я не о государстве, а о Родине, на которой оно паразитирует.
и эти бестолковые анимации, посты о жестокости и жалкие протесты никогда не станут понастоящему "смелыми",никогда не помогут решить эту ужасную войну и ужас, который люди терпят.
и оставлять под такими "идеями" положительные отзывы, и одобрять пустые крики о несправедливости тех, кто давно перестал жить в проблемах, могут только говноеды, которых, к сожалению, подавляющее большинство.
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Спасибо, что написали комментарий. Потому что подозрительное количество людей тут размылось о том, какие они несчастные.
Ага. Тварь вылезла из ящика и предлагает красную кнопку. Та сидит и тупо смотрит, вместо того, чтобы покончить с ним. В итоге тварь нажала сама. Так и будет в реальности, если российское протестное движение будет сидеть на жопе ровно. Как насчёт партизанщины?
никогда бы не ожидал увидеть короткометражку от гобелинс о наших нынешних реалиях. большое уважение тем, кто работал над этим, а особенно дарье. спасибо за смелость
Тоже не ожидал такого от гобелинс, сняли какую-то вырвиглазную агитку, сделанную на коленке, со средним визуалом и плохим вокалом, да ещё и вообще без сюжета и истории.
@@user-yq4fn8kc2s на что же она вас агитирует, интересно
@@user-yq4fn8kc2sагитка это государственное или частное, а то, что вы сейчас посмотрели это чье-то личное мнение и опыт. если узнавание о чьем-то опыте достаточно, чтобы вам начало казаться что вас агитируют изменить представления о жизни, то это что то не так с вашими представлениями о жизни. че это они такие неустойчивые? может, сами построены на "агитке"?
@@user-yq4fn8kc2sты откуда ботяра😂 тут люди любят жизнь, ты явно перепутал каналы.
"смелость" sorry you're too pathetic to be tragic
I understand people's fascination with the redemption arc, but if you want to apply it to "progressive russians" you have do dismiss so much context it becomes delirious
И вместо того, чтобы разнести ему голову, она прячется в коробку. Вся суть российской оппозиции.
Сорян. что нам их жаль, но в целом пусть разбираются со своим дерьмом сами. Такова жизнь. Никто не обязан за них это разгребать ,если оно им надо. Баста.
@@user-xw3hv3sn7s Баста тоже не будет разгребать.
So well realized! really well done production.
Underrated af❤
Ну и хурма) Как же неполживо)
This is a wonderful animation, it's good to see this stupid war brought into the spotlight more and more again, because at least in America the coverage of it and the news isn't very common. But lately documentaries have been coming out, analysis videos, and now political animations. I'm glad, more people need to remember that this is still happening, and isn't something that should be pushed off to the side because it's happening on the other side of the world and it doesn't really involve us. It makes me upset, because even though I am American, my family comes from Eastern Europe, so the war is very relevant to me because it's my whole cultures being squashed and hated on over there. I have pieces of me that are more Ukrainian and also more Russian. So to see so many people forget that it's even happening, or that it's serious is terrible. It's my people over there, dying and suffering. It's sad, and makes me upset. I'm glad this was made, this can't be forgotten.
I love the symbolism in this as well, I'm glad there were subtitles because it definitely adds to the story. The neighbors who are pro-war, the parents who do nothing, the girl who is angry, the priest who is misguided, and then Putin who is a fool. The dynamics of the characters are very real, and I like that. I love the bag as well, as she is literally carrying all the problematic Russians in her bag on her back, like she's responsible and burdened by her people and the war itself. I love the conversation between her and Putin as well, because it's clear that when she says "I just want this war to end", and he says "So do I child" that she wants it to end because she just depises the fighting and wants people to be okay, while he wants it to end in glorious victory, not the way she wants it too.
Also the very passive-aggressive message at the start about "fictional" and "coincidental" characters and events had me a good chuckle, like we're not hiding the brutal truth here. I like that.
I do not understand what English speaking folk find so deep and philosophical about this. This animation is tone-deaf at its best. Not the right time, not the right message, not the right focus. Like, you really think it’s great timing to give the opportunity for good russians to speak about their sadness even though the invasion is not over? This animation reads as “yeah, we’re sorry but we’re not doing anything about it, so..”.
So is the message of this animation “we can’t do anything”? And, oh, it’s so brave to say “I want the war to end” woooow, very brave for a russian. Then just wait until the red button gets pressed, incredible.
Saying “I want the war to end” doesn’t mean anything - it doesn’t name the side, it doesn’t show protest. It doesn’t mean Ukraine’s victory. A bit misleading for a title. No grand riot happened whatsoever, putin wasn’t stopped. What this animation got right is blood on the hands of the main heroine.
Thank you for your effort of not stopping the red button, Ukrainians will be forever grateful that happened!
Also, others have already pointed out the fact that Crimea is cut off on the map, I wonder why. It’s occupied Ukrainian territory after all (yeah, even the so-called russian opposition is going to have trouble admitting that). Or does it not count? The war started in 2014, it’s almost been a decade.
If the animators wanted and really cared, they would show they recognize Crimea as Ukrainian, in a different way, but they didn’t. Feel free to fight with me for this, I think it shows that they didn’t care. You could still show a “russian” version of a “correct” Ukrainian map and recognize Crimea.
The ending is not clear, where is she bringing this blood? To whom? Didn’t she allow Ukraine to be nuked in the scene before? And you’re telling me it’s supposed to be deep symbolism or a redemption arc? Really?
I don’t know how and who approved this project, but it’s a very wrong time to give russians platform. I'd like to ask for what? Pity? Empathy? russians shouldn’t be portrayed as victims in a time like this. You didn’t even wait until this war is over, you just approved the project while Ukrainians are still being attacked by drones daily, meanwhile no news about successful russian protests in 2023 whatsoever, either in russia or ABROAD, almost 2 years of a full-scale invasion, almost 10 years of war (read as: 8 years before February 2022, when russians weren’t worrying about their comfort). You guys are a bit late with helping out Ukrainians with your silent protests, it doesn't feel like there are 140-150 million of you.
I assumed the French school of animation would know what a real riot is. It’s nonexistent here. Pathetic, really.
Так! Мені фізично поганого від похвальних коментарів іноземців про якусь там "сміливість" та "протест"🫠
I would love to see what you would do at their place, at least theyre doing somethings. You can see how harsh is the repression so ofc people are scared, knowing how harsh censorship is yes what theyre doing is brave... Courage extends to several degrees and several circumstances
@@nenokedoken885 ти ніколи не побачиш українців на цьому місці тому що українці ніколи не чинили геноцид. Зате ти можеш побачили як звичайні цивільні українці на окупованих територіях без зброї виходили на протести проти російських ТАНКІВ. Але звісно тобі легше співчувати агресору ніж жертві
@@darkne1tFirst of all, Im not talking about ukranians in general but you particularly im not trying to displays russians as victim but there is no wrong in pointing out that those who speak are brave. At least theyre trying to do something about the situation despite knowing how hard they could get punished. Look at what putin does to journalist and those who use freedom of speech if it even exist...
@@darkne1tI'm not sympathizing with the agressor cause yes its shocking but not every russian are agressors. I sympathize to those who are brave enough to speak out not the russian governement.
Поразительно
Wow,poor russians, this girl is so brave ,doing absolutely nothing.
Like seriously russians don’t even protest 😂
If this girl wanted to change something,she would,but all she could do,is just imagine.
it literally tooks 5 seconds of research to prove you know nothing of what your're talking about. Google russian protests against invasion and stop thinking about russians as a monolith, idiot.
It's easy to talk without even having an idea what's going on in Russia. When you can go to jail for 15 years for making a bad statement towards the authorities. Eighteen-year-old children are sent to the border and they have no right to refuse, they die there in the same way. People who say things like you have no idea what it's like to live in an Authoritarian environment. We have been protesting for the last 20 years and every year it becomes more difficult to live here. Overthrowing the government is not the same as demanding a lower price for gasoline.
Let's once again take pity on the poor russians, they are suffering so much 🤡🤡🤡
another illustration of how they do nothing, as for me
2:20 hash tag relateable
LMAOO
а в чому власне бунт ляльки?
Это же сатира.
Суть в том, что обычные люди не выбирают. В том-то и дело ,что здесь показано, чо эта девочка якобы кукла Путина, хотя она ему даже фак показала. Она не интересуется политикой, скипает новости, ей было страшно смотреть, как полиция бьет тех, кого повязали, но у неё есть своя жизнь и свои заботы, например, накормить себя и семью. Но при этом все люди на свете, в том числе и Путин, заставляют на горбу обычных людей нести кровь невинных, а им и выгодно, чтобы вы все рассорились между собой народами.
А украинцы и все, кто на их стороне, при том, что у них самих не было выбора, заставляют выбирать и что-то делать таких обычных людей, которые вообще ни к чему не причастны, живут на другой стороне шара и живут свою жизнь.
Вот она и закрылась в своей коробке от всех этих проблем, которые ей не нужны. А кому они нужны?
Вот и поймите абсурдность ситуации.
Нам вас жалко, но нам искренне не хочется разгребать чужое дерьмо. Скажите спасибо уже за то, что мы просто бездействуем, а не танцуем на костях.
I'm russian. Didn't like it, unfortunately.
To be clear, im not a "z" person, as some may assume.
Its just that the plot and imagery in this short is so, so flat and meaningless, really... And i dont think that there been shown any new thought or perspective in this one. Which is a shame. Because its an important topic.
But, to be honest, gobelins always didn't strike me as a school with strong directing behind their movies🤷♂️
P.S to the haters of this movie in the comments, that say: "how can we emphasize with a russian girl while ukrainians are dying" - have you considered that you can feel emphaty towards more than one group of people? Or do you have that little empathy to begin with? Also, empathy for one doesn't replace empathy for another, especially in an issue as complex as war and dictatorship.
Емпат - тьі отложьіл уже бабкі на репараціі?
All rebellions start with people who fantasise. Imagining striking back is what the powerless do, but don’t underestimate the power of imagination, it sows a grain that grows. You who want the Russian people to wake up should hail this animation.
By the time it finally sprouts, we will all just die at this rate.
No answer to this is maybe good, only Ukrainians know their suffering - here and now it’s the responsibility of Europe and the world to relentlessly stand by Ukraine.
But doesn’t exclude supporting people who hate oppression and want the war to end. Every road to freedom is worthy of exploration. Also small animation roads. It takes courage to make a film that one must know beforehand would create so much hate and debate from all directions. Hopeful. Fantasy is really a strategy of survival and of building resistance, know this a fact, growing up in an oppressive home. Dream and do different.
No. This video encompasses helplessnes. Instead of crying how it's horrible that the beast eats you, you should at least try to confront the beast.
Fair enough, put yourself in her shoes then - what would you do if you were her? How would you fight the beast?
@@lindamallik8283 I'm pretty much in her shoes. At least, she could stick up some leaflets - not only about the war, but about topics that are sensitive to ordinary russian sitizen. You could go in jail for 17 years if you put up an anti-war flyer, but it is legal (for now) to stand against the mobilisation or tell about how much money government spends on a war and how much their lives could be improved if that money weren't spend. And if we're going to something more sufficient... Following conspiracy and zerotrust, she might join the partisans and spread diversions, burning military offices and police stations and so on.
То что я увидела сейчас я вижу и по новостям и на улице.
as a ukrainian- i hate it. through two years of genocide of my people you did NO content about the struggles of real victims of this war. Gobelins were one of things that gave me peace of mind and hope for future, but thanks for such a knife in back👍 this world’s priority to victimize people of terrorist state while there are hundreds thousands dead, injured and forever traumatized people who suffer because of their imperialistic self. but sure, cheburashka and “столичная».
It’s just a student film not a documentary
@@buzkutwhich makes it worse because it shows how regular students still victimise russians and spread this message of "it's nobody's fault". Yet, Ukrainians are those who fight with consequences. Is it fair to say "we can't do anything" and give up on your own politics while the country you're attacking is FORCED to fight against your fellow soldiers who willingly went to kill people?
@@buzkutце не змінює буквально НІЧОГО
@@buzkut literally and???
Oh I get it... you are suffering, so suffering is not possible for others...
Як завжди росіяни нічого по-справжньому не показали. Лише використали свої метафори, щоб більше все розмити, і перенести відповідальність з нації на диктатора, для звергнення якого вони нічого не роблять
Какая злюка
Прозвучало, как от кремлебота, который пытается размазать ответственность диктатора на нацию.
ребят посоветуйте плиз фонд помощи грустным из-за войны в Украине москвичам, им сейчас очень тяжело! невозможно смотреть на их грусть и оставаться в стороне!
Можно меньше токсичности?
Нас не так много и мы стараемся помогать, что есть силы и беженцам и тем, кто страдает? Почему многие не понимают этого?
@@miyukiootapeachнапевно як раз тому що вас дуже мало і замість реальної боротьби та висвітлення проблеми ви лише ходите тут у коментарях і жалієтеся чому жертви геноциду ненавидять вас🙌
@@darkne1t реши задачку:
Есть один дихтатурь, под которым армия безмозглых людей (около 100 миллионов), росгвардия, охранники, ФСБ (хотя тут 50/50) - все со стреляющими пуколками. Ему противодействует маленькое общество, насчитывающее, допустим 1 миллион людей, которые не хотят убивать, у которых нет оружия, кроме кулаков, перцовок, возможно бит, возможно даже у кого-то будет стрелкового оружие, но это у минимального количества людей, большая кстати часть из которых уже давно в тюрьме или, не дай бог, умерли.
Какова вероятность того, что они все в один день свергнут режим, который строился более 50 лет?)
@@miyukiootapeach я під час геноциду мого народу повинна ще вирішувати ваші проблеми? Як же ви заїбали строїти з себе жертв, для того щоб погані люди прийшли до влади народу достатньо просто мовчки дивитися і нічого не робити. В Україні був Майдан, купа наших громадян віддали свої життя тому що це наша країна і саме так будується демократія. Моя країна буквально була окупована вашим СССР, і навіть там українці чинили опір. Та навіть зараз українці чинять опір на окупованих росіянами територіях, де їх катують, де буквально існують концтабори. А ви, росіяни, сидите у власній країні або взагалі у інших країнах і тільки ниєте які ви бідні жертви і нічого не можете зробити.
@@darkne1t ну я в курсе Мойдана. Русские там тоже были, кстати)
Я тебе не говорю про СССР, меня там не было, я тебе говорю про нынешнюю ситуацию. Я тебе ни разу не сказала, что мы выставляем себя жертвами - нельзя исключать то, что наши люди тоже страдают из-за этого режима, страдают те, кто против.
Кто - против. Я искренне хочу, чтобы у нас лучился переворот, но я одна ничего не решу. Как бы я этого не хотела. Максимум, что я могу тебе принести на блюдечке - свой труп. Тебе от этого легче не будет, потому что смерти и войны так и продолжатся.
This is a cool piece-I like the use of surrealism and expressive lines to convey how an average Joe may be frustrated at the political reality in their country!
😮
The perfect depiction of fucking "good russian". She is mad but she do nothing about it. She is watching at war with no emotions - just another dot at the map. Because it doesn't matter to her, she never saw bombs, never loose her friends and family, never experienced occupation. She just wanna feel "good person", because somewhere on her had she do the riot. But never in real life. All these despicable Russians can do is get drunk and crying to everyone how hard it is for them (getting drunk obviously, they don't do anything else). Even the best ending would be of she would take that Ukrainian blood and bring it to Russian soldiers. Because "poor soldiers are suffering too, they are not one to blame, they were forced to". I don't know why Gobelins even let someone post it. This film disgust me.
thanks for your comment, it made so much impact on society and war suddenly ended, wow!! you are so brave for saying this, not like these stupid russians
I love this short. Honestly one of better works I saw from latest uploads, mainly because of the theme, don’t get me wrong I love all Gobelins uploads and I’m so happy I can watch all here on UA-cam but this one in particular is really important I think. Also what the character said, that demand on pizza (which I think has more meaning in this) is bigger than demand for decency. And the tone change in the moment of a meeting of a scary powerful political power at the end. Wow. Just wow. Truly remarkable.
This whole comment section is so f***ing disgusting aside few.
poor russian kids - drinking vodka, eating sausages and being sad - such suffering, such horror, such a burden I cannot even imagine anything more terrible than this... oh wait
wait what?
@@user-ok3ob4zy7wThey’re probably one of the many people upset that this story is being told from a Russian perspective instead of the Ukrainians who are being hurt by Russian terrorism/military- as well as the perceived expectation that we should sympathize with the main character (Russian).
I don’t think this animation is bad personally. I like the animation. It’s not supporting the war, it’s clearly against the war and what its country is doing to Ukraine (Putin, its supporters, and its soldiers). And the character does end up aiding a charity in the end (presumably for Ukraine), which seems proactive to some degree.
But there is definitely a strong theme of hopelessness, of the experience of those around you supporting something horrific (murder) and feeling like you don’t have enough power to fix it. The “what can a pizza girl do?” And to some that can be seen as normalizing complacency rather than urging people to do more(?).
But if there is more someone in her scenario could do, I think we need more animations and more voices on this matter. This film does redirect foreigners attention to the war/genocide in Ukraine, as others have pointed out.
And while it’s extremely sensitive, I personally do like hearing the perspective of a Russian on this. They’re a Russian who wants to be in animation. They can’t speak for Ukrainian people, they’re limited to their life experience, but they might feel the need to bring this war back to people’s attention. They aren’t stopping Ukrainian people from sharing their perspective.
But some people might be mad watching this thinking “So you’re just going to do nothing?! And we should feel bad for you for doing nothing?! What about the people dying?!”
Love to see all the belligerent comments in this video! Congrats! You took a beautiful, clearly anti-war and anti-propaganda work of art full of feeling and compassion and shat all over the comment section, because what, "the map isn't drawn right" and "Russians are self pitying"? No one processed Putin covered in blood of the innocent and dying but everyone sure noticed the fucking map.
Мамочки! Спасибо большое, за Ваш комментарий. Я уже который час сижу и плачу из-за подобных комментариев, но Ваш и малая горсть других комментариев, поддерживают и возвращают веру в адекватных людей. Спасибо ❤❤❤
при том что логично - место действия Россия и карты будут соответственно российские
Звісно це не очевидний комент руznявої залупи
Eat your sausage 🦞
Я надіюсь ви відпозоритесь та зробите щось про Українські реалії. Чи що, тільки жаліти вбивць ми здатні?
В войне нет победителей, не только Украина оказалась в беде. Хватить обвинять вообще всех россиян в своих бедах, есть конкретная группа людей виноватая во всем. В России тоже жизнь не сахар, нам тоже хочется жить без проблем. Но у большинства эти проблемы есть. Мне надоело что меня приписывают к убийцам в мои 20 лет, но и сделать я ничего не могу, потому что я живу в России и у меня есть семья и вся жизнь впереди. Я не могу просто взять и сесть в тюрьму сейчас, так ничего и не добившись своими действиями. Сколько уже было этих людей, которые вышли на улицу, здесь в России? Сколько их них исключили из университетов, сколько из них уволили с работы, сколько сейчас в тюрьме? Сколько вышло на улицу людей по всему миру? И изменилось ли хоть что-то в Украине из-за этого? Я думаю нет
@@varrraЛюди не понимают что никто не готов жертвовать своим будущим ради того чтобы никто об этом в итоге не узнал...Обиженки,хотят просто тоже анимацию про их реалии о которых и так всем известно
@@varrrayour comment is so iconographic in its egocentrism that I even took a screenshot... it's just brilliant 👏. I don’t think that you will ever understand what’s wrong with what was written above... I’m also sure that I won’t be able to convey to you any criticism of your position, you simply won’t listen to me, like the author of this film. But thank you for showing on the Internet who you really are, what you care about and what your values are. This is a very important research material.
@@absurd_76your comment is so iconographic in its egocentrism that I even took a screenshot... it's just brilliant 👏. I don’t think that you will ever understand what’s wrong with what was written above... I’m also sure that I won’t be able to convey to you any criticism of your position, you simply won’t listen to me, like the author of this film. But thank you for showing on the Internet who you really are, what you care about and what your values are. This is a very important research material.
@@ivanai8854 Беги на следующий ролик , О исследователь!
Найди лучших из худших людей своего списка. Дихотомия зла и добра существует ли она на самом деле?😁
Интересно, кто хуже Россия или Израиль? Палестина или Украина? Палестина или Россия, Украина или Израиль? Люди какой страны хуже?
Не позорься...
It's as much riot as in the average anime-obsessed teen living in their mother's basement. It could have been a critique of how some russians support the war, most don't care, and the last part does nothing except imagine, and everyone will gladly allow to "push the button", but it romanticizes the main heroine too much, even giving her some positive light in the end. Like, where it came from, and even wtf is that blood? Should have ended with her finishing that vodka and joining the parents, a logical step after giving up on the button. Or maybe that blood was for russian army and she fully adopted her pro-war stance?
Nah, I give too much credit to authors, this is just yet another russian author trying to get popular with the "Not everything as it seems" message.
P.S. Map of Ukraine without Crimea, just in case if authors will need to get back into russia.
The button was for a nuclear bomb. That's why map start bleeding
jesus look better at the map it's at the bottom. btw maps are standardized in russia unfortunately...
This animation is a metaphor for the helplessness of the ordinary person in Russia. one ordinary pizza delivery man will not be able to shift power or support a large rally. The girl shows a conflict with her parents in the vision of the war situation - this indicates the difference in views between generations, about how young people do not support the war but in the minority they do not have the strength to influence anything in this state. The girl collects and catches some people from her story in her bag, thus the authors hint at those who are actually has benefits in this war, and then the head of state comes out of her bag, which hints that they were all controlled by one person. The man tells her to press the Red Button, an allusion to the nuclear button. The button is shown as a missile launch button, which the head of state puts in her hands - this is a metaphor for the fact that the state administration is inviting her to make a choice in favor of Russia, hidden under the fact that “the war will end.” But this will only lead to greater casualties and will not resolve the conflict. And Crimea is not on the map of Ukraine, as other commentators have noted - this is because it shows a map published in the Russian Federation, and not another map of the world - this can also be considered a metaphor that they are trying to impose on ordinary people the view of the state. At the end we are shown that no matter how difficult this girl’s situation was, she chose the path of supporting people, her bag turns into a bag with humanitarian aid, with blood for transfusion, in order to avoid unnecessary victims, because the only thing she can do is help people , and not turn away from them. She chose confrontation rather than agreement with the war, as many write in the comments. She opposes the regime, but as a simple person, not a warrior or a soldier.
sickkkk💖
That took place in Russia 🇷🇺
I am deeply shoked that this project was approved. This topic is highly senstive, and you chose to be absolutely tone deaf. Giving green light to an animation that depicts struggles of people from a terrorist state that continue living their normal lives, while not having an ounce of glance at people from a nation that is defending themselfes while living under missiles strikes right as we speak is far beyond me. I understand that a russian is going to depict a russian side of the story, but that's the problem, now is not the right time for this, the war is not over yet. Professors should've forseen this at the begining of the project and should've either shut it down or rewrite it from start to finish to be a story about VICTIMS.
say it louder!!!
ТАК!
У меня нет слов. Почему никто не думает о том, что глас настоящих людей, которые любят страну свою, которые СИДЯТ ЗА НЕЕ В ТЮРЬМАХ, КОТОРЫМ НЕ ДАЮТ ВЫСКАЗАТЬСЯ, КОТОРЫХ УБИВАЮТ - полностью отсутствуют???
МНОГО кто из Российского народа против геноцида и убийств и оккупации. У нас конченное правительство, конченые прогандийские создания орут из телквизоров, ПРОБЛЕМА В ТОМ ЧТО МАЛЕНЬКИХ ЛЮДЕЙ, КОТОРЫЕ ПРОТИВ - НЕ СЛУШАЮТ. Нас, людей которым НЕ ПЛЕВАТЬ на будущее, на детей, на войны - нас считают идиотами, которым проплатил запад или сумасшедшими, которые идут против режима.
Неужели в ваших новостях не говорили о нашим протестах, о том, что у нас сажают людей буквально за РИСУНКИ ИЛИ КАРТОЧКИ В МАГАЗИНЕ??? НЕТ?? А я вам говорю. Есть. Нас много. Мы сидим в тюрьмах. Нас убивают.
У кого есть финансы - сбегают, улетают, уходят. У кого нет - остаются к сожалению и лицезреть все воочию.
За то, что происходит - это старики и ненормальные +35 лет, и те, что своих же детей натравливают и приучают к тому, что то что происходит - нормально.
А та малая часть, что осталась внутри России, что кричат о том, что это все беспредел и ужас - мало.
Мы сидим в тюрьмах. Мы лежим в могиле. Нас почти не осталось.
@@miyukiootapeach все що ви робите так думаєте про себе й вашим коментарем ви це підтвердили. Ні каплі жалю до жертв, тільки що ВИ відчуваєте і як ВАМ погано і як ВИ боретесь. Про нас ні слова. Ви всі малєнькіє гвінтікі в системі, ви нікому і ні в чому не винуваті. Вашою покірністю та мовчанням ви вже проклали Путіну дорожку, можете не прикидатись що ви сидите та боретесь, ваша борьба закінчується на захисті своєї дупи й показовій правильності.
Самі себе послухайте, жалюгідно читати.
@@cheryen385 печально, что вы читаете сквозь строки. У меня нет ненависти к людям, я сострадаю всем, кроме бестолковых, которые искренне стараются ненавидеть всех без разбору) хотя даже таким сострадаю, потому что у них это выученое поведение.
This is incredibly inappropriate. I'm tired of this picture of "poor good russians" who can do nothing about their government. Well there are always ways to become opposing power. You didn't show those who joined fighting on Ukrainian side, didn't show those who helped to make more "accidents" with railway so there will be difficulties for russians to bring missiles closer to the frontlines. That's a missed opportunity to show people how they CAN HELP, and instead comforts those who is DOING NOTHING. Again, this is really inappropriate in the context of this war.
Yeah cuz this is a normal person’s everyday life and perspective? If your country went to war right now would you leave everything behind, go to the country your own was attacking, and became an actual activist? Come on now.
where the heck did you see a "poor good russian" there ?? honestly, this short makes me just feel even more helpless and desperate with the situation. very relatable. also fyi, the government is an actual tyrant and very good at propaganda. and that puts innocent people in prison for questioning the regime. hope this helps :)
So come here comrade, go join ukraininan army, leave everything you know and love behind for higher purpose. Oh, you dont do that? You sit at home at wherever you live and just type comments while being in comfort? While russians try to manage a woman with op views to become a president, even knowing what happened to Tatyana Sukhareva? While theyre trying to live while government are banning abortions and criminalizing lgbt? While men you love such as your husband or your father or your son can be called to join army at any minute? While your friends are already there dying? While political arrestants are being literally raped and tortured and you have a risk to become one of them for sharing your views? Read SOMETHING about Julia Tsvetkova or Sasha Skochilenko maybe? Because stfup, you know NOTHING about how russians live, you know NOTHING about what they have to get through every day, and if u r not helping ukrainian army or people personally, u are NO BETTER than russians. You should be really ashamed of yourself, actually.
@@taiswolfкраще вмерти біжучи, ніж жити гниючи
The bad effect of Nato military propaganda on young artists is just so sad...
2:52 Сплю и вижу как люди в россие пишут на стенах "нет войне" вместо "Z"
ok, but where is Crimea? and where are Ukrainians, who’s actually trying to survive in this horrific war?
may be Ukrainians could speak for ourselves? Russians are sure not allowed to do it. Second thing - the scene is in Moscow, there are no such maps in Russia, it's prohobited according to Russian laws to question territorial integrity
@@owl_d517 ukrainians are screaming about themselves as loud as they can. But sure, go on, defend an imperialistic egoist that tries to overshadow and silence us.
@@feedsonpain there is nothing in this short to silence Ukranians. They are free to speak. Russians have problems with their dictatorship, it is not neccessary to shut them up when they speak about it.
@@owl_d517холоп, че тьі прікідьваешся англосаксом? Тебе барін вообще разрешал в інтернет лазить?
@@owl_d517 maybe you should speak about Ukrainians, when you are killing us and not making yourself a victim? while our life is ruining because of lack of your empathy and actions- you trying to pretend to be the biggest victim on the earth, not doin anything to stop this madness. stop playing this stupid games, ur ppl are travelling, living peacefully with their families in their homes, while my have to suffer, loose everything just because you and ppl like you decided that it’s easier to go kill us, but not to kill the dictator.
💫 Waiting reueu
This film whitewashes the Russians' choice to do nothing. An incredible protest - to get drunk and even in your dreams to be so spineless that you are afraid to resist the old man!
And the absence of Crimea on the map of Ukraine says a lot about both the author of the film and the GOBELINS itself. The triumph of spinelessness, disgusting!
great animation, i'm surprised by the number of people in the comments being upset to see a russian girl being portrayed as a human being tho...
“Every time you give a russian a chance to speak, you silence a Ukrainian”
What is this animation about? What does it show? About how Russians feel sorry for Ukrainians, but MOST of them are supporting the war in Ukraine and "good ones" can't do anything. Well, you don't need to think much how to help - donate to Ukrainian army, help find the people that Russians kidnapped or deported, volunteer and inform - it's been said a million times and they could show what can be done even through this short film. But even in this case, they did not do it - most likely lives in Paris and fled and ran away from their country. Safe.
Having the opportunity to help and show resistance, to show what can be done, because real people who never wanted war are dying NOW, lose loved ones and their home - they make an animation about how they feel very bad emotionally, how they savor this suffering and go with the flow. And what is this if not agreement with what is happening?
I wanted at least someone from the Western audience to be able to read this comment and keep in mind what I wrote above. Real good Russians fight on Ukrainian side, arrange sabotage, help with information, etc.
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It disgusts me that Goblins released a short film like this when the war wasn't even over. I expected similar films after the war, but to show the Russians as victims now... and to emphasize that? This is some level of cynicism, which is not surprising, but it makes me sick.
“Pizza is more in demand than decency” Damn, what a raw line, and so true, sadly. As someone who also didn’t do well in university (due to depression, anxiety and other issues) and it’s working low paying jobs that part spoke volumes to me :’)
This is very well done ❤❤❤
Hi. I am a person with Russian and Ukrainian roots, I live in Russia and will continue to live here. I am against war. And I am sincerely grateful for this animation. I really am. This work in my understanding is part of the reflection of the experience of people trapped inside the aggressor country. These are very difficult thoughts for a lot of people. And this reflection will take many months, years and even decades. I believe that such works allow us to share the emotions and experiences that exist right now. Understanding such complex and important processes exposes incredible intelligence and humanity, and the courage to speak out about what causes people to express their momentary angst. But I'm not interested in how people see this work, I turn a blind eye to their resentment and anger. I realize that they will have to do a lot of work on themselves to one day simply understand and accept a reality that people (including their "enemies") did not and would not choose.
Thanks again for this work. Peace is built by common effort, and nothing ever grows out of guilt. Peace is a choice for both.
Привет. Я человек с русскими и украинскими корнями, живу в России и продолжу здесь жить. Я против войны. И я искренне благодарна за эту анимацию. Правда. Эта работа в моем понимании -- это часть рефлексии опыта, который переживают люди, запертые внутри страны-агрессора. Это очень непростые для многих людей мысли. И эта рефлексия займет многие месяцы, годы и даже десятилетия. Я считаю, что такие работы позволяют разделить те эмоции и переживания, которые существуют прямо сейчас. Понимание таких сложных и важных процессов обнажает невероятный ум и человеколюбие, а также смелость говорить о том, что вызывает у людей поводы выразить свою сиюминутную злобу. Но мне неинтересно, как люди видят эту работу, я закрываю глаза на их обиду и злость. Я понимаю, что им придется проделать огромную работу над собой, чтобы однажды просто понять и принять реальность, которую люди (в том числе их "враги") не выбирали и не выбрали бы.
Еще раз спасибо за эту работу. Мир строится общими усилиями, и никогда ничего не растет из чувства вины. Мир -- это выбор двоих.
It is seen that the message of this animated video that tried to show you that hatred among its people should not exist and that it was thanks to certain "criminals" politics that made us confront each other and turn a blind eye, hence the woman did not want to press the biton, because although he hates his people who allow themselves to be guided by such manifestations, deep down he does not wish them harm...
@orced4725, By him, do you mean pitler? If so, you are naïve. pitler is out for one thing, himself, and he does not care how many russians die to achieve what he wants. He has the blood of hundreds of thousands of russian people and others on his hands because he does not care.
"Deep down he does not want to see them harmed" This is something a brainwashed individual would say. pitler is a criminal, a crime boss pretending to be a president in a country that was once a respected nation, now just a pariah, with cowardly sheep grazing instead of citizens standing up and demanding the removal of a criminal dictator. Enjoy that mass mobilization next year.
@possum4403
First of all, the op is referring to the woman throughout, the pronouns are a mere mistake most likely.
Secondly, are you seriously so naive to believe one man can run an entire nation of millions at his whim? Putin does not control the entirety of russia like a god-emperor, and neother did Hitler either. Great men dont make history, people and socioeconomic classes do. You cannot examine countries through vague psychonalysis of the one guy that happens to find himself at the top, grow the fuck up.
Also, when was Russia a respected nation in your opinion, under Yeltsin? Dont make me laugh.
@@possum4403 I'm sorry if I have ignorant knowledge, I spoke in general about these types of conflicts of humanity, but is Russia really a respected place? My time playing video games or series, movies, comics, manga tells me the opposite depending on the writer...
Такой кринж, типа героине не нравится война, но она даже не берёт участие в этих условных протестах (что скорее часть мультика чем руззкой реальности), она просто такая "бедная несчастная", ей всё не нравится но она не будет ничего делать кроме как жрать водяру и грубить клиентам. Сами решаете после этого является ли героиня "хорошим русским" в мире где Путин во всё виноват.
Я готов понять какие-то чувства людей из россии которым близка героиня, но мне не нравится то что мульт будто пытается сказать "Не все русские ЗА войну", потому что по факту в мультике и в реале показывается что русские НЕ ПРОТИВ войны, им⁄вам просто некомфортно находится в этом психологически, но вам всё равно на то что будет с Украиной и людьми живущими в ней.
Ага, : "а я тут при чем? ....плак плак, .... мне пох на войну и что люди в соседней стране мрут, ....но я просто хочу прежнего комфорта - дальше ходить в мак-дак, жрать нутеллу и отдыхать комфортно забугром, а не в вонючей Анапе"
А ещё в Африке дети голодают, забыл упомянуть
Is there any reason behind why russians kinda like to imagine themselves as martyrs and admire their own powerlessness? 🫤
which of the elements the movie consists of may be interpreted as "admiration"?
@@atlxolotlI wouldn't say that any specific element of the film shows this, but the very fact of making the film shows the Russians' admiration for their powerlessness and internal suffering. There's something Dostoevskian in this.
Also comments from Russians under this film show how much they love to admire it. voyeurism in a sense
@@Zeanji.i As a Russian, it's solidarity, mostly. It's seeing that there are people who are against the war, that they are seeing what you are seeing, that you haven't gone crazy. That there is still opposition, in regular people, and not everyone is in jail or dead or killed or poisoned.
@@nikitaegregr
in my opinion, the film shows only fantasies about protest and one’s own powerlessness, without any criticism or call to action. perhaps this is what 'solidarity' means for Russians Prehaps this consoles them and gives them the strength to live on as if nothing had happened. Idk.
As I wrote above, it is a very Dostoevskian, very russian thing to suffer and observe.
@@Zeanji.iWhich part of it seems fantastical\exaggerated to you? - they've literally just shown my objective reality, as is. And you know full well what I mean by solidarity - it just doesn't fit into your image of Russians playing victim so you try to subvert it. Call to action? - we've been waiting for that. All opposition leaders are in jail, or exile, or dead. What do you want us to do, exactly? What *specifically* do you want me to do?
Русский студент в гобелинс??? Это так греет душу
As russian i can say, that it is very realistic, i see how Putin went out of my bag every day when i did something anti military
АХААХВВХА ладно, это смешно
Hi
It's insanely frustrating that Gobelins allowed this movie to be released. This is absolutely not the time to show "poor russians" against the war. There are a lot of comments here who write that this is not a propaganda movie and it just shows the emotions of russians against the war. Until the war is over, while russia is still occupying territories - this movie will be a propaganda movie. And it is clearly doing a poor job. You showed the complete inaction of the russians. What does the main character do? She suffers in her room drinking vodka and fantasizing about doing something? Wow, I guess that's really the max of opposition in russia. Show putin the f sign and giving him the red button? And then just lock yourself in your backpack so you can't see what he's doing? Where's the protest in that? It's inaction and an escape from reality. That last scene with the blood? May I ask who she's giving that blood to by staying in russia?
This movie to me is more about youth maximalism, and it's extremely tactless to talk about it through military themes before the war is over. It's not a brave movie, it's a movie for russians who are idle and depressed at home to make them feel better about themselves, it doesn't evoke any other emotion from me. When making a movie on military themes work out the plot and all its nuances, because there are too many mistakes in here.
Oh, so you looked about a disney fantasies that turn peoples against evil dictator and stop the war ? Hum... But you do know it"s like.. N E V E R happen in the history of humanity ?
Did you... Did you know what a "State" is ? A government ?
Starkingky different from the rest of the projects, i just HAD to laugh when Putin showed up. Great work, heavy topic, 10/10
Wow. A short film about poor, poor russians. Who “rebel” only in their dreams. Who watch the war silently and mark the crimes their people do in their minds (as their national accomplishments?). Also the very “cool” metaphor on how the main character hides when it comes to them to decide and she decides to watch the murder and keep her hands clean (cuz she was hidden, she is definitely innocent, don’t you see??).
And the most stupid and horrible thing. After the metaphoric mass murder of all the Ukrainians, the scene is flooded by their blood and… the main character packs the blood packages and brings them somewhere in russia. Very cool. And it’s almost impossible to read the message behind that scene because it is combined terribly and has a terrible underlying message
нихуя се, курьеры по миллиарду зарабатывают, почему так бедно живет
Кто бы что ни говорил в комментариях, но обвинять ВСЕХ россиян - самая тупая вещь, что только можно сделать. Людей, которые готовы помогать украинцам и ПОМОГАЮТ много. Прекратите кидаться обвинениями во всех подряд, пожалуйста. В России тоже есть те, кого можно пожалеть. И это не будет никак обесценивать страдания украинцев. Я тоже против войны и я просто ребенок, который не может сделать толком ничего кроме как говорить о том, что война - это отвратительно. Мне не приносить никакой радости то, что происходит сейчас в стране.
Я хочу чтобы вы поняли, что мы тоже люди. русские дети в большинстве своём не поддерживают войну. Нам тоже хочется сочувствия, потому что мы беспомощные, нас не любят никто либо потому что мы недостаточно «патриоты», либо потому что мы делаем недостаточно.
Украинцам отключают свет, они жили в палатках на улице.. нет теплой воды, хорошей связи.
У вас на улицах все гораздо тише.. и конечно, Украина может быть зажратой от части, но вы так не страдаете, как Украинцы. Вас бомбят не каждый день. И скажите спасибо своему президенту, хлычу старому, который все это устроил.
Ви буквально платите податки на ракети і не бачите своєї провини. Якби Україна вела загарбницьку війну з кимось я б відчували провину за це і робили все щоб нести якумога менше шкоди країні на яку ми напали. Ви ж донатите своїм мальчікам на харчі одяг і зброю і не визнаєте свою провину. Ви "не нападали" на донбас і луганськ, і взагалі 10 років ми сами себе бомбили. Якщо ти подавишся хлібом буде більше користі аніж від твоїх висерів про бідних расіян.
Пожалуйста, не обращай внимания на животных, которые на тебя кидаются. Я тебя поддерживаю.
@@konkkkaТы буквально сейчас желаешь смерти РЕБЁНКУ, который говорит о том, что поддерживает Украину и хочет остановить войну. Ты вообще думаешь своей головой, прежде чем что-то писать?
@@Bebra_Babayka да
Кус
I’m from Russia. Daria, thank you for not being afraid and doing such an incredible job /gen/srs. It’s actually scary to live in a country where such an undigested amoeba rules. I sincerely don’t understand the Ukrainians in the comments, but I myself have not been in such a situation so don’t take my words as something professionally truthful (I’m 13, I hardly understand this), this is purely my opinion. Reading these comments it seems to me that this is some kind of sick selfishness towards either my person or the country. I have nothing against Ukraine, I have friends from there for whom I am sincerely afraid. But the negativity towards what Russian problems show (which, although of less importance), is kind of wild for me.
(80% of this I wrote on my own. Rate it please, I really need to understand that I can pass this language in exams)🥪🥪🥪
Виталий тут проблема в том что пропагандируется идея что русские бедные ни в чём не виноваты и такие бедные и ничего не могут. И тут нет особо храброго говорить о России из Европы.
Принять решение уехать из России в другую страну, чтобы начать строить свою жизнь с нуля тоже требует храбрости.@@user-oc5zt3dj3k
pretty good. roblox has taught you well
хрюкни соя
The same old tale of misery and alcohol. Also where is Crimea on that map? Is it impossible to show even the slightest bit of humanity towards Ukraine?
Being depressed because the country you live make war to other country is not having humanity ?
Hello ?? You seem like a weird cartographer here, and trying to denied humanity to other here, it seem.
Як там Шевченко писав? Терпіть затерпите, вам ніхто не поможе.
I feel this lacked empathy, now isnt the time to talk about Russians as if they were the main victims in the war, is completely insensitive to ukranians and causes more harm to spread this narrative than actually bringing any good
this made me feel kinda sad but it felt so righteous. beautifully done and that constantly moving stippling for shadeingnon the characters was cool I felt like the shadows were creeping in from all directions
Найжалюгідніше що я бачив. Єдині хороші росіяни тільки ті яких не видно в тепловізорі. Допоки ми не переможемо, робити з них людей це гріх. Смерть ворогам
На жаль, коли ви так кажете, то самі стаєте не кращими за росіян, у яких "нада банрєровцам страну сравнять с земльой і бєтоном заліть". Людяність та гідність - це те, що повинно нас відрізняти від такого скоту.
@@JohnSmith-km4sv Але ж вони нікуди не дінуться і від нас не відстануть. Тут аби ми їх або вони нас
@@o_daria Тому і треба розрізняти промитих кровожерливих бидланів і таких, як головна героїня цього мультфільму.
Я не кажу, що треба неупереджено відноситися до кожного, ні. І навіть не про тих, у яких нє всьо адназначна.
Але коли людина чітко дає зрозуміти, що вона проти Хуйла і ко, в гробу бачила їх імперські амбіції, і попросту ненавидить те, у що перетворилася її батьківщина - це як мінімум привід відноситися до неї нормально та проявити солідарність.
Простіше кажучи, зневага до держави не повинна переростати у зневагу до кожного першого її мешканця. А то по такій логіці можна дійти до зовсім диких висновків, типу "Стус був комунякою, тому що жив у совку".
@@JohnSmith-km4sv Чесно, я не хочу щоб вони існували. Ні хороші не погані. Щоб не робили з себе жертв і не було їм ніякої презентації у світі. Війна багато людяного вбиває. Не виходить бути неупередженою коли кожен день чуєш сирени і пишуть що хтось загинув. А росіяни нормально собі у Франції мультфільми малюють які вони нещасні. Але Вашу думку я почула. До війни думала +- так само. Але не тепер
@@o_daria Ти починаєш трохи тверезіше дивитися на такі речі, коли у тебе дружина - росіянка, яка вже тисячу разів встигла проклясти свою країну за останні десять років, і яку ледве-ледве вдалося звідти врятувати.
І російські друзі, які наразі допомагають своїм "співвітчизникам" курити у не відведених для цього місцях, якщо ви розумієте, про що я.
До тих, хто хоча б якось підтримує війну у мене вже давно нема ані поваги, ані співчуття. Але, на щастя, таких там не сто відсотків.
The animation of the puddle of water in the beginning is so beautiful
Боже, мультфильм рассказывает а внутренних проблемах, об оторванности населения России от всего вокруг, а люди срут за то, что Крыма нет на карте России? Что автор пытается обелить Россию, показывая главную героиню не плохой? Это сюр. Мультфильм буквально создан в поддержку Украине и очерняет всю Русскую власть и армию насколько это возможно, а люди докапываются до карты. Тут более чем наглядно показывают, что настоящее зло это именно верхушка (ВВП сам по себе), потом солдаты без строчек диалога, которые послушно выполняют приказы, милитаризированное население, которое считает, что пить и оторваться от реальности лучше, чем думать, ведь эта кровавая реальность их вероятно кормит (Думаю это женщина в форме), дети которые ничего не понимают и зомбированные телевизором взрослые - дефолт. Ну и максималистская молодежь, которая думает, что всё можно изменить просто выйдя на улицу и вот главная героиня как часть этой молодёжи идёт по головам, но ничего не выходит и в конце она реашет помогать другим путём. Конечно автор обеляет Россию, конечно. Мне многое тут не нравится, но все вокруг в каком то пузыре, считают, что если РФ не абсолютное зло, со всеми его жителями, то автор агент Кремля. Люди потрогайте траву.
Безумно люблю смотреть короткометражки студентов Гобелинс, очень неожиданно было увидеть короткометражку от соотечественников! Огромное спасибо что освещаете проблему в виде искусства❤️❤️❤️
Ну если украинские студенты для тебя соотечественники, тогда только один вопрос, почему ты не на фронте?
@@ramqalex Daria Skripka внезапно из питерской девушки превратилась в украинскую студентку(хотя она по факту французская студентка)?
2 человека из Индии, 2 из стран Африки. не вижу украинских ребят. резонный вопрос, почему ты не на фронте, а в комментариях?
@@ramqalexк чему это? Извините но я и украинцев и беларусов соотечественниками считаю, всех тех к кем я могу найти общий язык и всех тех кто считает всё происходящее кошмаром и желает что бы это всё поскорее закончилось! Вы вообще видели короткометражку или вы ещё один кремлевский бот? Она явно не поддерживает войну, тогда почему я должна быть на фронте вдруг? Каша у вас в голове
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Love the music during the bit where she's stuffing folks into the carrier.
It's so hypocritical. The war is still going on, and we sympathize with the poor Russian woman. What is the conclusion after watching this animation? The poor Russians are not to blame for anything, Ukraine is just a big bath of blood, not people and their stories; the war is waged only by Putin, not thousands of ordinary Russians, volunteers, soldiers, their families, who help ensure the stay of relatives in the war, etc. The aggressor draws attention to himself and presents himself as a victim, nothing new.
The way you think every single russian citizen is to blame for the war shows how narrow minded you are and how quick you are to generalize a population of millions of people. Normal citizens are not to blame for the decisions of a regime when they’re the ones most impacted by the consequences of war in their country.
This shortfilm shows every side of the population’s opinion, from the bad that supports war, the ones that don’t care, and the people who are against it. It’s a shortfilm about close experiences of russian people and the protagonist is against war cuz she’s not evil??? How is that a bad thing? Do you want all russians to be portrayed as evil? If you want to see ukranian’s perspective either turn on the news or learn animation and make your own shortfilm
@@taiswolf I can think and believe as I want during the active phase of the war and the ongoing extermination, genocide of the Ukrainian people. not every Russian is guilty if not involved in war and crimes. But everyone is responsible. feel the difference If my country committed such crimes, I would shut my mouth and help the injured party as much as possible, instead of making propaganda cartoons.
this film is a manipulation, it whitewashes those hundreds of Russians who are kind of good. But tell me why the author lives in Did Europe paint this map of Ukraine without Crimea? Is she in danger? No. She is safe, but continues to carry Russian propaganda. This tape does not help Ukraine and victory in any way, but only distracts those hundreds of Russians who do nothing anyway good Russians are those who protested and are already in prison, or partisans, or those who fight for Ukraine in Ukrainian army. the rest have no moral right to present themselves as victims.
but now all that is not important. the war continues, right now an ordinary Russian is killing, raping, robbing on Ukrainian territory. n culture or good Russians do not resist this in any way. the Russians elected this government by their activity or disloyalty. and bear full responsibility for it. and Russian art, sports, anything - now it is the soft power of the aggressor. settle down
@@taiswolf Ukrainians actually make cartoons and films about the war . Watch the film "20 Days in Mariupol" by Mstislav Chernov or "Mariupol.100 Nights" by Sofia Melnyk, for example. Why Mariupol? because this tragedy shows who the majority of Russians are, some literally erase the city, and the rest say that they are not guilty of anything and have no influence. And many true works are now being created by Ukrainians. But the Russians are taking the attention away from the Ukrainians. it is also immoral. Especially in Gobelins, which was never politicized, but the Russians changed that.
@@taiswolfI agree with what you say in principle but dear god please that is not how you convince someone. Be decent instead of throwing mindless insults. If you debate like this it only sounds like you don't know what you're talking about and is not willing to have a proper discussion.
It's getting more and more normal for people to just throw insults and the online climate is getting only more toxic. Calm down people if we say we want peace can we at least try to practise it ourselves too?
@@taiswolf I’M SORRY??? “The ones most impacted by the consequences of war in THEIR COUNTRY”??? They are not impacted by any consequences because there’s no war in their country at all. The front line is in Ukraine. The only people truly being impacted are Ukrainians who are daily being killed by Russians who support this war and the ones that just don’t give a shit about it.
But yeah of course it’s not their fault that they have a dictator as a president! No no. It’s not like Putin became a president and everything was fine until the war in Ukraine started. Yeah totally. There was no so called “red flags” at all. There was no occupation of Chechnya. Twice. There was no occupation of Sakartvelo (Georgia). There was no occupation of Moldova. All led by Putin. The war in Ukraine basically started back in 2014 and Russians did *nothing* to stop their government straight to the point we have a full scale invasion now.
Please answer my question then. Who is guilty? Who is guilty that there was even a possibility for Putin to rule the country after the first ever war he started? Who suppose to save poor Russians? Ukrainians? Americans? Who? Maybe they are the only ones who can help themselves? I’m tired of Russians always transferring responsibility to others. Yes. Yes, until there are other people and nationalities who suffer from regime that they allowed in their country themselves, every each one of them that can change something but just chooses to do nothing because they’re scared, everyone in their country are guilty.