Hahaha nah, sorry mate, boomers happily handed over their semi autos and agreed to bend over for the Australian government so, what do you think gen x’s will do this time around?
It's got nothing to do with what generation you are from. Don't lump Boomers in the same group, most were not happy they handed over their semi autos, they had do or face arrest. Same thing for any generation when the Govt create legislation that takes away your freedoms. If they change the law and come for your guns , you will hand them in also, there is not much you can do apart from not vote for the two major parties.@@merkel2750
I'll be grabbing one to see what its like. I feel like the blockish style is to make it more available to the broader community with how back to front some states are with their appearance laws, I personally don't mind how it looks, as long as it performs well. Will be interesting to see what the pick of this and the chimera is, either way it's good to see more lever release rifles hitting the market. I think you're right, companies that don't adapt to the lever release popularity will get left behind...
As someone who trained as a fitter turner with mostly experience on cnc machines all I can say is that the receiver and upper looks like something that a very average first year apprentice produced. I actually really liked the third version you displayed which with the cad/cam technology that existed 15 years ago could easily be replicated in an hour with the right person at the controls. The development is the most expensive part , after that it’s a numbers game. The bigger the production order the cheaper each individual component costs.
Reviews from Aussie gun youtubers can make or break a new firearms chances of success in the Australian market. It would be wise for new manufactures to get some input from them in the development stage We have all seen how it works out when they don't.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get some federal large rifle and magnum primers into this country, just a thought as it's been 4 years since any stock was available. Winchester pulled out of Australia like 4 years ago and still no replacement powders coming in 🤬.. And conveniently ADI stops making shotgun and pistol powders around the same time. Here we are the end of 2023 and no updates from those muppets at ADI about any progress. 2021 ADI stated on there website that AR2005 would hope to have this propellants available once more in 2022, yet nothing for 2022 or 2023 and no word from them. What a completely frigging useless media department they have, any update is better than nun. For god sake will someone start importing powders and Russian primers into Australia. That's my rant..
Normalising the use of lever release rifles and their proliferation in shooters hands would be a good stepping stone to legalising semi auto rifles for recreational use, even in a limited capacity.
Honestly that just isn't going to happen but I'd be contempt enough with something like the UK Southern Gun Company Lever Release AR15. If it where even possible.
Like your summary and I would get one if they listen to your input re square of the fore end and spend more time on the lower . Make sure the ambi lever can be reached by the thumb if it is on the left side . Also the gun looks heavy . Why not skeletonise more ? Don’t need a picatinny rail that runs the length of the barrel . Add some plastic at the usual places to reduce cost and weight . If the gun can be 223 and 9 mm by just replacing the upper that would be awesome for IPSC . Cheers
I wonder why the dont try roller locked blow back? Maybe the machining is more complex and expensive? The stamped receiver being made in two halves and welded together.
Beaton Firearms is accepting pre orders on this thing right now. I guess that means it's going to be approved??? Taipan X was approved by WAPOL today. They just have to cuck the Buttstock or something stupid.
The AR design has heaps of advantages, cheap, short double stack magazines, rails built in to mount optics anywhere for/aft, buttstock choices to give good cheek alignment to your eyebox for fast t9arget aquisition, surprisingly accurate. As a primary producer using Cat D rifles, we laugh at the comments about twin-spring AR180 spring designs, piston driven verses DI, what angle the forend cut is etc. No wonder shooters here get fuck-all useable vermin control firearms designs. As an everyday user, I will say long or short stroke piston rifles are cleaner, more reliable, and JUST AS ACCURATE. Take PWS as an example, their 308's can actually shoot MOA or less anyday, the twin spring design from the AR180 returns the bolt to battery just the same as a buffer spring. Not inferior at all, in fact nicer to clean. The 308 version is a better vermin control rifle, more units would be sold to these people who can't or are too scared to apply for Cat D. Cant see enough units being sold in 9mm to the public to warrant R&D costs. Aussies, stop whinging about CNC cut angles, attractiveness, likeness to your favourite video game wank rifle and support those willing to give you better firearms in a market full of sooks.
I don't know what point you're trying to argue. I said in the video that the AR18/18 design is technically superior to the AR10/15.. and it seems you are arguing the same point?
@@fhckoutdoors Nar, not you mate, it's a comment about pretty much 90% of the stuff I see out there with people complaining about that system, or how "ugly" something is (as you agree with) or any other design by others sticking their necks and money out to risk their $$,$$$ to try and make a better rifle for Aussies. From an engineering POV, Stoner's design is way simpler, but introduces it's own problems whilst (allegedly, like "better" barrel harmonics and less parts i.e lighter?) solving others. We've run the 3 kinds, and from a HD, everyday PP rifle, short or long stroke gas systems are cleaner, and just as accurate, regardless of the spring design operating the system. Appreciate the video and your taking the trouble to inform others.
@@gw5436 I wholeheartedly agree that the average joe doesn't understand how much work goes into designing a firearm... let alone one that has to abide by arbitrary appearance laws. I also feel like the average joe doesn't understand how gas guns work, and I think everyone is in for a steep learning curve.
"The 308 version is a better vermin control rifle, more units would be sold to these people who can't or are too scared to apply for Cat D." Why more people do not apply for Cat D is because: -We are not all Primary Producers -Only a fraction of the population is paid to exterminate animals. -Opening a dealership is expensive and financially risky -A qualified firearms instructor must produce financial/training records to maintain their license. -Cat D on collectors license must be permanently deactivated.
@@samscott6880 I was talking about primary producers. They are firearms users too. Nobody (that HAS to do it to protect their business and then animals they struggle to breed to a fickle market) wants to have to "exterminate" animals, or tries to do anything of the sort, but must control them just as they need to balance stock levels to their feed budgets. Certain firearms ARE available to them under the current laws but most are either uninformed that they DO fit the legislated criteria, or are too intimidated to do so, and do not have the knowledge to successfully apply because everyone just thinks it's "forbidden fruit", which is bullshit. Some current dealers know this, and do supply suitable firearms for them but the market is small because of what I just wrote above. The market will dictate who has, or sees a market, to open a business. The consumers, responding to opportunity and having a go rather than seeing only the negatives, will make the business actually viable. On that, it is the shooters and their pathetic supposed political representation that see them in the pickle they are currently in. Courage and people power has been replaced by ineffective pants wetting on social media, which changes nothing. A suitable rifle, preferably a forend button/lever release, (Cat B) gas operated (ejecting) 308 that takes P-mags, all AR type accessories like extended cheekpiece stocks, a proper 2.5-3lb trigger (not the shit ones supplied in most Aussie cat B attempts to date), a good medium weight quality barrel 20" long that has reasonable velocity for real field conditions rather than a 16 that is focussed on nothing but IPSC or looks, and you'll have a huge financial and practical winner for farmers who aren't prepared to apply for Cat D, or sport shooters wanting the ultimate field rifle. If I had a machine shop, making Cat D rifles now such as Wedgetail etc, and already has 90% of the CNC patterns already and proven gas operating systems, I wouldn't be trying to make an impractical "pump" action rifle that won't even lock closed, can't be operated off a rest from a vehicle, jams shut after 5 rounds etc etc, I would focus on the ultimate practical rifle for those who can't get D. But that's just me.
At about 12:30 in this vid you should have inset a photo of that Enfield Arms mess. Still, glad to see a different rifle. Personally i think the AR15 copy thing has been done to death now, would rather see some different rifle designs. Straightpull / PA F90 , AK, SKS... literally anything different, with the same caveat, as long as its good!
I hope the manufacturer take a look at what happened over here in Canada. After the ar15 was banned Canadian companies went to that 180b design and rushed it to market. Needless to say there were problems. Mainly broken pistons. Fingers crossed for you guys.
@@fhckoutdoors if you google “wk 180 broken piston” you’ll have a bunch of stuff come up. I’ll try and find out the other Canadian manufacturers that used that design and let you know. Kodiak arms made the wk in partnership with Wolverine supplies thus wk. and that’s the first that came to mind
Thanks Ed, I am well over 50, but I would love a 9mm version with Glock mags. I am not interested in a 223 version as I have Black Creek Bison 223/300B after giving the pump 7615 the flick. I agree, test the @#%*& out of it before release.
I think the aesthetic choices weren't an accident. With a new start up they want all of the market possible, this includes states with visual laws. And it being a lever release, they probably don't want to be the one to test the limit so to speak
@@fhckoutdoors I also think if that's the case they should've started with a 9mm carbine. I understand its a very different style of lock up, gas system and size but there's a lot of 223s around now and still no 9mm. Sure the others would be harder, but the sales would fund the research I'm sure.
Normally I have a feeling these will just flat out be banned however I am slowly starting to take the view it won't. The NFA's classification system is designed under a false pretence that the fast follow up shot is is useful on human targets. I'm 25 years old myself and I think its hard to sustain that classification broadly is an advancement of public safety. That entirely falls apart when you consider the same doors that let in drugs let in illegal guns. Which are used frequently among gangsters in progressively greater frequency. The policy that largely prevents criminals from seeking licensed firearms are the checks and balances that is licensing, training and background checks. As is the case for large portions of Europe and other countries fact is Eureka are wading into battle on this one. At time of writing we are in the infancy of 3d printed arms which renders the promise of the NFA invalid. If shooters can find their balls, there is a non trivial chance I think lever release arms are likely to remain legal and I think classification might very well be rendered absurd. There are about 1 million shooters and I think they can argue successfully on the merits. But yes chances are this is indeed the death of the pump action.
@@fhckoutdoors If critical thinking and wisdom where the basis for the NFA rather than lies hysteria and misinformation then classification would likely not exist. That and these crims caught with machine guns would be spending an awful long time with a man named Bubba. Knowledge is power and the public and many shooters seem to have far to little of it.
Agree with the Australian made but good. I look for what products would work for me then, after eliminating everything that does not fit the role I want or is too expensive, then I look at where it is made.
Your edit is a good start in the right direction. These things are porky so let's chop the forend and barrel down to 14.5", swap out the stock for a magpul Zhukov style stock so we can loose the buffer tube/castle nut/material where the castle nut threads in. Make the lower out of glass fibre reinforced polymer, more dieting. Remember, it's a ten shot 223 and it won't be significantly faster for aimed fire than any other 223 bolt action. The Ruger American ranch is the standard for weight, the eureka should try and match that.
Full rundown of assembly and disassembly and info on the stockade if anyone is interested or hasn't seen it yet :) ua-cam.com/video/1C8K6orQsg4/v-deo.htmlsi=zMPTARk8Nrz4J9Sh
I rather the straight cut down at the end. Leaver realise ambidextrous to switch sides could make it more marketable for left and right handed customers
Not mad with the aesthetics, I think it looks pretty unique. I feel like the AR looking stuff is prime for knee jerk legislation and personally i would take performance over aesthetics any day. Its the commodore of tacti-cool (edit) i also pre ordered one
I found that with the CZ515, that the lever was just a tinny bit out of the way (probably by deliberate design) so that i could not just keep my hand on the trigger/pistol grip. It would be nice with the Eureka if the lever allowed for you to access the lever without having to move my hand/finger around to reach the lever. Anyway, just my 2 cents...
I was set on the oceanic precision lever release when they announced it, but now might have to wait and see now, will probably end up looking a bit nicer than this but also be more expensive.
Not a fan of lever release seems to much like a broken semi auto. Bought a lever release 22lr, i Hated it couldn't get rid of it quick enough. Prefer the warrick straight pull. Love my bolt actions. But like u said I'm old not the market they aiming for more for the younger gen any way each for their own. Merry fhucken Xmas everyone.
@@fhckoutdoors To be fair, as it looks so far, it's about as sexy as a twisted testicle. But if it works, and it works well, then i'll give it a go. I'll be interested to see what your review has to say when you eventually get a chance to try it out.
Mate I'm keen for this rifle. After shooting EF88 and M4 in the military I'd like something that scratches that itch. I agree with you about the looks. It's not the prettiest rifle out there. But I reckon that's partially by design to both keep the costs down and avoid the fuckwits running NSW and TAS from getting sand in their vagina about it looking like one of those dreaded AR-15 war guns with high capacity murder rounds.. But honestly I'd rather an ugly bitch that's rugged and shoots well than a pretty piece that's temperamental as fuck. I'll give it a couple of months from release to see how it reviews. If it gets good ratings I'll pick one up. This looks like a step in the right direction at least.
Best AR platform guns in Australian are the taipan x and wedgetail mpr with out a doubt, i would like an effective leaver release but from past experience i'm not rushing out to buy one at an exorbitant price knowing its probably shit
@fhuckoutdoors I traded my wfa1l for taipan x, luckily not earlier with the beta original release. Purchased the mpr just waiting for delivery. Also purchased the buckmaster for 2200 last year already moved that on at a loss and replaced it with a nice wood t2000 much better quality at half the price.
@@fhckoutdoors lever release centerfires were available in Britain for over a decade and they banned it recently. however our shooting community has far more political representation so unless there is a big push from the usual suspects i doubt it will happen, similar legislation in the NT to reclassify lever releases already got shut down.
They should really change the name, one misinformed news story and these rifles, and their lever release actions will be banned. Can’t help but shake the feeling that’s it’s probably only a matter of time
Green voters in marginal electorates. Karens who think they'll all be murdered in their beds if 10/22s are allowed. Having to tell the truth about the failure of gun-control. These are tge things that scare them
@@fhckoutdoors Also naming a gun after a rebel movement might not be wise and may attract unwanted attention to the firearms industry, kind of like calling a gun the 'Fhuck the police' or 'Death machine'. Maybe the AUS223 would be better
It worries me with all the fear mongering in the US about the AR15 and mass shootings whether pushing AR style rifles in Australia is a bright thing to do? It could overall jeopardise the current gun laws and lead to a larger push to decrease firearm ownership in Oz!
It’s an interesting concept/project. The manufacture are planning to make the rifles far more customisable than you’re aware of. Even to the point of an option for fixed wood furniture to appeal to PP’s, sporting users and I’m guess those authoritarian shtfk states that abuse there citizens more than Victoria. Sounds like barrel length and twist rate will be another option. I’ve thrown 100 bucks in so as to support the concept and reserve one if I choose to proceed.
Bloody oath, however I’m just hope the firearms community is ready to fight for these type of rifles. “They” will come for them and everything like it
Yep good luck with that
Hahaha nah, sorry mate, boomers happily handed over their semi autos and agreed to bend over for the Australian government so, what do you think gen x’s will do this time around?
It's got nothing to do with what generation you are from. Don't lump Boomers in the same group, most were not happy they handed over their semi autos, they had do or face arrest. Same thing for any generation when the Govt create legislation that takes away your freedoms. If they change the law and come for your guns , you will hand them in also, there is not much you can do apart from not vote for the two major parties.@@merkel2750
@@merkel2750Tony is happy to bend over now.
Look at everyone that fell for the vaccine and qr crap
I'll be grabbing one to see what its like.
I feel like the blockish style is to make it more available to the broader community with how back to front some states are with their appearance laws, I personally don't mind how it looks, as long as it performs well.
Will be interesting to see what the pick of this and the chimera is, either way it's good to see more lever release rifles hitting the market.
I think you're right, companies that don't adapt to the lever release popularity will get left behind...
Aussie shotgun that would be the go!
I would straight up buy this, isn't really any lever release centrefires in the aus market other than the speedline (to my knowledge)
As someone who trained as a fitter turner with mostly experience on cnc machines all I can say is that the receiver and upper looks like something that a very average first year apprentice produced. I actually really liked the third version you displayed which with the cad/cam technology that existed 15 years ago could easily be replicated in an hour with the right person at the controls. The development is the most expensive part , after that it’s a numbers game. The bigger the production order the cheaper each individual component costs.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I just hope they put time and effort into the R&D for the looks, because that's definitely what will make or break.
Reviews from Aussie gun youtubers can make or break a new firearms chances of success in the Australian market.
It would be wise for new manufactures to get some input from them in the development stage
We have all seen how it works out when they don't.
I have a sneaking suspicion Eureka is going to engage with reviewers/shooters etc for input before it goes to production.
Might be popular for IPSC rifle comps - if it's reliable. I wish them all the best with this project.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get some federal large rifle and magnum primers into this country, just a thought as it's been 4 years since any stock was available.
Winchester pulled out of Australia like 4 years ago and still no replacement powders coming in 🤬..
And conveniently ADI stops making shotgun and pistol powders around the same time.
Here we are the end of 2023 and no updates from those muppets at ADI about any progress.
2021 ADI stated on there website that AR2005 would hope to have this propellants available once more in 2022, yet nothing for 2022 or 2023 and no word from them.
What a completely frigging useless media department they have, any update is better than nun.
For god sake will someone start importing powders and Russian primers into Australia.
That's my rant..
A gas off setting would be handy at the range so you protect your brass and don't throw em into the bloke next to you.
Yeah fair play, I didn't think of that.
Normalising the use of lever release rifles and their proliferation in shooters hands would be a good stepping stone to legalising semi auto rifles for recreational use, even in a limited capacity.
Honestly that just isn't going to happen but I'd be contempt enough with something like the UK Southern Gun Company Lever Release AR15. If it where even possible.
@@Jaeger-bi8tz it’s incredibly unlikely I agree, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction regardless
Like your summary and I would get one if they listen to your input re square of the fore end and spend more time on the lower . Make sure the ambi lever can be reached by the thumb if it is on the left side . Also the gun looks heavy . Why not skeletonise more ? Don’t need a picatinny rail that runs the length of the barrel . Add some plastic at the usual places to reduce cost and weight . If the gun can be 223 and 9 mm by just replacing the upper that would be awesome for IPSC . Cheers
I wonder why the dont try roller locked blow back? Maybe the machining is more complex and expensive? The stamped receiver being made in two halves and welded together.
Hands down the AR lower looks better but unfortunately you can say goodbye to NSW, WA and Tasmania sales because it’ll suffer appearance laws
Definitely.
Beaton Firearms is accepting pre orders on this thing right now. I guess that means it's going to be approved??? Taipan X was approved by WAPOL today. They just have to cuck the Buttstock or something stupid.
Definitely will be keen on an Australian made shotgun 👌🏻
Have a geez at Templeton arms t2000 and Nero
The AR design has heaps of advantages, cheap, short double stack magazines, rails built in to mount optics anywhere for/aft, buttstock choices to give good cheek alignment to your eyebox for fast t9arget aquisition, surprisingly accurate. As a primary producer using Cat D rifles, we laugh at the comments about twin-spring AR180 spring designs, piston driven verses DI, what angle the forend cut is etc. No wonder shooters here get fuck-all useable vermin control firearms designs.
As an everyday user, I will say long or short stroke piston rifles are cleaner, more reliable, and JUST AS ACCURATE. Take PWS as an example, their 308's can actually shoot MOA or less anyday, the twin spring design from the AR180 returns the bolt to battery just the same as a buffer spring. Not inferior at all, in fact nicer to clean. The 308 version is a better vermin control rifle, more units would be sold to these people who can't or are too scared to apply for Cat D. Cant see enough units being sold in 9mm to the public to warrant R&D costs.
Aussies, stop whinging about CNC cut angles, attractiveness, likeness to your favourite video game wank rifle and support those willing to give you better firearms in a market full of sooks.
I don't know what point you're trying to argue. I said in the video that the AR18/18 design is technically superior to the AR10/15.. and it seems you are arguing the same point?
@@fhckoutdoors Nar, not you mate, it's a comment about pretty much 90% of the stuff I see out there with people complaining about that system, or how "ugly" something is (as you agree with) or any other design by others sticking their necks and money out to risk their $$,$$$ to try and make a better rifle for Aussies.
From an engineering POV, Stoner's design is way simpler, but introduces it's own problems whilst (allegedly, like "better" barrel harmonics and less parts i.e lighter?) solving others. We've run the 3 kinds, and from a HD, everyday PP rifle, short or long stroke gas systems are cleaner, and just as accurate, regardless of the spring design operating the system.
Appreciate the video and your taking the trouble to inform others.
@@gw5436 I wholeheartedly agree that the average joe doesn't understand how much work goes into designing a firearm... let alone one that has to abide by arbitrary appearance laws. I also feel like the average joe doesn't understand how gas guns work, and I think everyone is in for a steep learning curve.
"The 308 version is a better vermin control rifle, more units would be sold to these people who can't or are too scared to apply for Cat D."
Why more people do not apply for Cat D is because:
-We are not all Primary Producers
-Only a fraction of the population is paid to exterminate animals.
-Opening a dealership is expensive and financially risky
-A qualified firearms instructor must produce financial/training records to maintain their license.
-Cat D on collectors license must be permanently deactivated.
@@samscott6880 I was talking about primary producers. They are firearms users too. Nobody (that HAS to do it to protect their business and then animals they struggle to breed to a fickle market) wants to have to "exterminate" animals, or tries to do anything of the sort, but must control them just as they need to balance stock levels to their feed budgets. Certain firearms ARE available to them under the current laws but most are either uninformed that they DO fit the legislated criteria, or are too intimidated to do so, and do not have the knowledge to successfully apply because everyone just thinks it's "forbidden fruit", which is bullshit.
Some current dealers know this, and do supply suitable firearms for them but the market is small because of what I just wrote above. The market will dictate who has, or sees a market, to open a business. The consumers, responding to opportunity and having a go rather than seeing only the negatives, will make the business actually viable.
On that, it is the shooters and their pathetic supposed political representation that see them in the pickle they are currently in. Courage and people power has been replaced by ineffective pants wetting on social media, which changes nothing.
A suitable rifle, preferably a forend button/lever release, (Cat B) gas operated (ejecting) 308 that takes P-mags, all AR type accessories like extended cheekpiece stocks, a proper 2.5-3lb trigger (not the shit ones supplied in most Aussie cat B attempts to date), a good medium weight quality barrel 20" long that has reasonable velocity for real field conditions rather than a 16 that is focussed on nothing but IPSC or looks, and you'll have a huge financial and practical winner for farmers who aren't prepared to apply for Cat D, or sport shooters wanting the ultimate field rifle.
If I had a machine shop, making Cat D rifles now such as Wedgetail etc, and already has 90% of the CNC patterns already and proven gas operating systems, I wouldn't be trying to make an impractical "pump" action rifle that won't even lock closed, can't be operated off a rest from a vehicle, jams shut after 5 rounds etc etc, I would focus on the ultimate practical rifle for those who can't get D. But that's just me.
At about 12:30 in this vid you should have inset a photo of that Enfield Arms mess. Still, glad to see a different rifle. Personally i think the AR15 copy thing has been done to death now, would rather see some different rifle designs. Straightpull / PA F90 , AK, SKS... literally anything different, with the same caveat, as long as its good!
Needs to be well made whatever it is.
I hope the manufacturer take a look at what happened over here in Canada. After the ar15 was banned Canadian companies went to that 180b design and rushed it to market. Needless to say there were problems. Mainly broken pistons. Fingers crossed for you guys.
Got any more information on broken pistons? I'm going to have to look that up.
@@fhckoutdoors if you google “wk 180 broken piston” you’ll have a bunch of stuff come up. I’ll try and find out the other Canadian manufacturers that used that design and let you know. Kodiak arms made the wk in partnership with Wolverine supplies thus wk. and that’s the first that came to mind
I wanna see a mini14/m14 and dare I say Garand type rifle adapted for lever release to fill my autistic niche
they def need to change the name. Would like to see it in 6 ARC
Looks mad 👍
Be very keen to hear your thoughts down the line
Firearms designers when they realise they can basically just billet an SHS tube as their entire upper: 😮
reminds me of a warhammer 40k autogun with the concept render
🤣🤣🤣
Wedgetail make the best looking rifle by far
The scew together receiver set would be more expensive than pins. They've got to thread it which takes more expensive tools snd more time
Thanks Ed, I am well over 50, but I would love a 9mm version with Glock mags. I am not interested in a 223 version as I have Black Creek Bison 223/300B after giving the pump 7615 the flick. I agree, test the @#%*& out of it before release.
What are your thoughts on the Bison mate?
Totally agree 9mm
I think the aesthetic choices weren't an accident. With a new start up they want all of the market possible, this includes states with visual laws. And it being a lever release, they probably don't want to be the one to test the limit so to speak
I agree.
@@fhckoutdoors I also think if that's the case they should've started with a 9mm carbine. I understand its a very different style of lock up, gas system and size but there's a lot of 223s around now and still no 9mm. Sure the others would be harder, but the sales would fund the research I'm sure.
Normally I have a feeling these will just flat out be banned however I am slowly starting to take the view it won't. The NFA's classification system is designed under a false pretence that the fast follow up shot is is useful on human targets. I'm 25 years old myself and I think its hard to sustain that classification broadly is an advancement of public safety. That entirely falls apart when you consider the same doors that let in drugs let in illegal guns. Which are used frequently among gangsters in progressively greater frequency. The policy that largely prevents criminals from seeking licensed firearms are the checks and balances that is licensing, training and background checks. As is the case for large portions of Europe and other countries fact is Eureka are wading into battle on this one. At time of writing we are in the infancy of 3d printed arms which renders the promise of the NFA invalid. If shooters can find their balls, there is a non trivial chance I think lever release arms are likely to remain legal and I think classification might very well be rendered absurd. There are about 1 million shooters and I think they can argue successfully on the merits. But yes chances are this is indeed the death of the pump action.
Still blows my mind we can have pump action rifles but not shotguns, yet we can have lever release shotguns.
@@fhckoutdoors If critical thinking and wisdom where the basis for the NFA rather than lies hysteria and misinformation then classification would likely not exist. That and these crims caught with machine guns would be spending an awful long time with a man named Bubba. Knowledge is power and the public and many shooters seem to have far to little of it.
Seems like I'll be cancelling my PB-223 order and supporting local instead
Hunts have been fk’n people around since march last year on the PB.
Agree with the Australian made but good. I look for what products would work for me then, after eliminating everything that does not fit the role I want or is too expensive, then I look at where it is made.
I like the mods, are over 50 and would love an AR10 style pig chaser.
Your edit is a good start in the right direction. These things are porky so let's chop the forend and barrel down to 14.5", swap out the stock for a magpul Zhukov style stock so we can loose the buffer tube/castle nut/material where the castle nut threads in. Make the lower out of glass fibre reinforced polymer, more dieting. Remember, it's a ten shot 223 and it won't be significantly faster for aimed fire than any other 223 bolt action. The Ruger American ranch is the standard for weight, the eureka should try and match that.
Yep I would buy your final photoshopped example. #bigtick.
Great stuff mate. Very entertaining content.
It just looks like a wish version of the wfa1 to me, but in saying that the lever release and the ambidextrous features are holding my interest
Full rundown of assembly and disassembly and info on the stockade if anyone is interested or hasn't seen it yet :) ua-cam.com/video/1C8K6orQsg4/v-deo.htmlsi=zMPTARk8Nrz4J9Sh
Merry Christmas Legend! Looking forward to your 2024 content
Thanks mate, and same to you!
I rather the straight cut down at the end. Leaver realise ambidextrous to switch sides could make it more marketable for left and right handed customers
i reckon it actually looks pretty cool tbh, (except for the hole where the fore-end joins the reciever and the stock, thankfully you can change it)
Hope it is as good as it sounds. I would rather buy once cry once and have a quality product then half done and could of been something great!
Not mad with the aesthetics, I think it looks pretty unique. I feel like the AR looking stuff is prime for knee jerk legislation and personally i would take performance over aesthetics any day. Its the commodore of tacti-cool (edit) i also pre ordered one
I found that with the CZ515, that the lever was just a tinny bit out of the way (probably by deliberate design) so that i could not just keep my hand on the trigger/pistol grip. It would be nice with the Eureka if the lever allowed for you to access the lever without having to move my hand/finger around to reach the lever. Anyway, just my 2 cents...
I agree, but likely designed that way on this too.
If you could just order receiver and stock would be awesome as 358 win or 45 raptor would be awesome.
Would love to see it in 358!
@@fhckoutdoors have 358 in a blr haven’t had to much run more than 10 steps 200g ballistic tips
@@shanenorrington3330 I have a Remington 783 in 358 and I agree, not much runs after being hit by 358!
I was set on the oceanic precision lever release when they announced it, but now might have to wait and see now, will probably end up looking a bit nicer than this but also be more expensive.
The OP looks promising, and they so make awesome rifles... but I don't think they have the manufacturing might to do large scale production.
To the point no bullshit. Well said.
I much prefer your changes.
Competition for Taipan
Not a fan of lever release seems to much like a broken semi auto. Bought a lever release 22lr, i Hated it couldn't get rid of it quick enough. Prefer the warrick straight pull. Love my bolt actions. But like u said I'm old not the market they aiming for more for the younger gen any way each for their own. Merry fhucken Xmas everyone.
Why can't we get the Troy PUR from the US?
We can do without another AR15 homage so the AR180 is a good enough look.
Dont know why it cant just be a standard AR upper and lower so we can have more customization options
Appearance laws dude.
@@fhckoutdoors if that were the case then Warwick, Oceania Precision and Wedgetail would all be banned by now
@@glaze_tpf9791 They are in some states.
@@fhckoutdoors odds are those state laws will still apply to this rifle regardless
Before I get all excited about something interesting, I have to ask, is this going to be one of those firearms that'll be banned in the ACT/NSW?
Its NSW compliant, which is why the lower receiver is so ugly. Thanks NSW.
@@fhckoutdoors To be fair, as it looks so far, it's about as sexy as a twisted testicle. But if it works, and it works well, then i'll give it a go. I'll be interested to see what your review has to say when you eventually get a chance to try it out.
You know I lurve the AR18! If it's NSW compliant then I'm all for it. I'll be pre-ordering after this video
Yep key to success in oz is Nsw compliance biggest market by far. 9mm would be mint also
They need a lever release priced over $10,000 that shits on everything for us "older' folk.....
@@FatShadow-p3y Ummm what?
The Photoshop version looks loads better. Even if the just squared the front would be an improvement. Save weight, materials and labour.
So what State do you have to live in to own a SLR ....thought they were banned in Australia totally?
Cat D pal
The aesthetics will always be fucked when trying to get it legal in most states. Nsw is to big of a market to not invest in
Yep. Ruining it for everyone.
@fhuckoutdoors in saying this though I laybyed a ruger ranch until I figure out what Aussie .223 I want.
looks dardy, would like it even better if the forend could be switched out for AR forends
You and OZZIE Reviews would probably get along well
Would love to have a brew with the bloke.
@@fhckoutdoors You and OZZIE are the only 2 Aussie Guntubers I’ve found, so a collaboration episode would be great idea for sure
Button release shotgun based on the AR platform would kill the Australian market:
Mate I'm keen for this rifle. After shooting EF88 and M4 in the military I'd like something that scratches that itch.
I agree with you about the looks. It's not the prettiest rifle out there. But I reckon that's partially by design to both keep the costs down and avoid the fuckwits running NSW and TAS from getting sand in their vagina about it looking like one of those dreaded AR-15 war guns with high capacity murder rounds..
But honestly I'd rather an ugly bitch that's rugged and shoots well than a pretty piece that's temperamental as fuck.
I'll give it a couple of months from release to see how it reviews. If it gets good ratings I'll pick one up. This looks like a step in the right direction at least.
Best AR platform guns in Australian are the taipan x and wedgetail mpr with out a doubt, i would like an effective leaver release but from past experience i'm not rushing out to buy one at an exorbitant price knowing its probably shit
Best Australian made, not the best overall
Wedgetail MPR is great.
@fhuckoutdoors I traded my wfa1l for taipan x, luckily not earlier with the beta original release. Purchased the mpr just waiting for delivery. Also purchased the buckmaster for 2200 last year already moved that on at a loss and replaced it with a nice wood t2000 much better quality at half the price.
@@jasoar1563 I agree the T2000 is much better than the buckmaster.
I'll probably get one but be ready for the inevitable gun buyback in a year when the lever gun drama 2.0 occurs. Fun until then.
I think if it was going to happen it would have happened by now. VC lever release rifles have been legal and around since circa 2017.
@@fhckoutdoors lever release centerfires were available in Britain for over a decade and they banned it recently. however our shooting community has far more political representation so unless there is a big push from the usual suspects i doubt it will happen, similar legislation in the NT to reclassify lever releases already got shut down.
Rather pay an extra grand or so and get a higher quality fit and finish.
I hate NSW laws…
I hate them even more that I dont even live in that state and it affects what I can buy...
@@fhckoutdoors yeah I live up here and so restrictive ahhhhh
Ahh....FHUCCK IT😮😅😂🎉
They should really change the name, one misinformed news story and these rifles, and their lever release actions will be banned. Can’t help but shake the feeling that’s it’s probably only a matter of time
i would get one if it is in 308
Ahh, kinda old fart here.. yea bit “ish” on all these ar wannabes.
I’d be happy to have a Rossi 92 in 44mag, with a drum feed(300rounds at least)..😂🚀
I'm all for innovation and trying something new. Companies are making what the majority of people want.
Why cant we just all semi autos, what is the govt so fucking scared of
Green voters in marginal electorates. Karens who think they'll all be murdered in their beds if 10/22s are allowed.
Having to tell the truth about the failure of gun-control.
These are tge things that scare them
Shit yeah, your photoshop version is way better. Doing an angle cut on an otherwise blocky gat just doesn't work, stands out like ram balls.
Poor man pays twice. I'd rather spend an extra $1000 for good fit and finish metal work in my guns.
I feel like people have learned a lot from the Taipan.
@@fhckoutdoors Also naming a gun after a rebel movement might not be wise and may attract unwanted attention to the firearms industry, kind of like calling a gun the
'Fhuck the police' or 'Death machine'. Maybe the AUS223 would be better
@@dougalmcalpine6804 😂
Again. First. Boom.
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Get one before they get banned
I doubt they will.
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Sorry mate but like their version over your versions. Yours is outdated and boring.
Don't be sorry, they've asked for people's opinions on how they want it to look.... so speak up!
It worries me with all the fear mongering in the US about the AR15 and mass shootings whether pushing AR style rifles in Australia is a bright thing to do? It could overall jeopardise the current gun laws and lead to a larger push to decrease firearm ownership in Oz!
Can already have push button shotguns, and pump action rifles, but not pump action shotguns. The whole thing is a mess.
It’s an interesting concept/project. The manufacture are planning to make the rifles far more customisable than you’re aware of. Even to the point of an option for fixed wood furniture to appeal to PP’s, sporting users and I’m guess those authoritarian shtfk states that abuse there citizens more than Victoria. Sounds like barrel length and twist rate will be another option.
I’ve thrown 100 bucks in so as to support the concept and reserve one if I choose to proceed.