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By chance I was on Nebula yesterday and saw this and the bonus video and watched them then, but Nebula really needs email notifications or something like that.
@@knowledgepureknowhow he has every right to self promotion. People do it all the time, like selling merch or making “custom” accessories. Promoting a more creator-friendly platform is always a + in my book. Curiosity stream + nebula bundle insane value for money and also extremely under rated.
This is my first video I’m not even 10 seconds in but as soon as I see “criminally underrated” in a comments section I’m gonna subscribe first and ask questions later👌🏽
Currently in China... When Iphones first came out they were seen as a luxury good and people were showing them off. Phone cases would have a cut out so people could see the Apple logo and there were plenty of copy-cats. I was a huge Android fan until I moved to China. Partly because of the "great firewall" Android was not a good option. I had a Xiaomi phone as well, but the hardware just didn't last. I just bought an Iphone 13 yesterday and the customer support in China is really good. (Also there are plenty of repair shops that can fix Apple product more easily)
@@EggEnjoyer It’s a luxury reliable product, which is why people love it, so ofc, one of those features will be showing it off, hence the cut out cases
@@EggEnjoyer you’re twisting my words. I didn’t call them better than other products so why bring that part up? They’re a social factor yes, meaning a status symbol and ppl like them for that social factor, meaning it’s a luxury status symbol. To them. “Hardly luxurious”, nope, they’re very luxurious in those that see it as that
This is VERY WRONG. Androids users in China practically never experienced Google play services before. There is NO WAY there would make consumer choice based on the lack of Google services in preference over Apple. They simply do not have frame of reference on that one. Obviously, you wouldn’t know that cuz you are not Chinese. You are speaking as a non-Chinese living in China who had experiences with Google Play and related services before.
The CCP will use tesla and other EVs to know exactly where you went even if you switch off your phone and don't want to be tracked. Of course there are cameras right now that do some tracking but nothing like pin point location.
@@thunderb00m Every gov does that, the ccp is just vocal about it, and this is not a conspiracy theory Edward Snowden revealed everything years ago, I don't know why people still pretend like China is a unique case, all govs are a threat to individuals.
China invited Tesla to china to allow other Chinese EV companies to copy tesla's technology and eventually dominate EV industry. This is what happened in electronics industries.
@@tayloryoung4974 yeah a lot of people fail to realize no one is forcing Tesla to do the deal, they still went in despite knowing how Chinese companies and government do business. So at the end of the day, it's just business and nothing new.
What a superbly researched and put together video on one of the most important topics of our time. Apple’s bargain with China and business prudence there is a story unique to 21st century capitalism and one we shouldn’t ignore.
China is the future. there is no doubt. I am learning Chinese! Look at the top 10 power langauges: English, Spanish, French, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, German, Arabic, Hindu, Portuguese!
I remember backing in the early 10s, everyone around me were saying that Samsung usually get slow really fast and that they wouldn’t buy a Samsung as their next phone. I blame for lack of localisation (e.g. for mega apps like WeChat), early success+bad Android optimisation, note 7 incident as reasons behind the downfall for Samsung in China.
I had a Galaxy s2, was nice at first but ended up being the worst phone I ever had. Tried again with the s5 and s9, good phones but lack of long term support meant they were obsolete 18 months after purchase. I’m sticking with Apple sadly for the time being.
Very interesting video, so well researched and presented. I live in Shenzhen, China, and it's so true what you said about the split between big urban areas and rural places. I look at peoples phones on the subway system all the time here in the city and it's all top end devises; iPhones dominate here, Apple Watches everywhere. I was recently at an event for the Honor Magic V and a lot of the employees had the latest iPhones which was amusing. Great video as always, and the Crrowd app is so helpful for me. Cant wait to see what you'll be making in the coming years! Love it!
You're right about that one. I visited one of the Huawei stores in Shenzhen before Covid. Shenzhen happens to be Huawei's hq and yet their own store employees are using iphones.
I left Shanghai in 2018, but I remember Samsung was a super popular phone there, surprised how quickly it disappeared. I remember they were once selling a flagship android flip phone. Was almost 10 000 rmb. Only saw it in the shops. Galaxy Notes and S was very common. That’s a massive market to lose.
Samsung betrayed everything that made them a fan favorite in the first place, the point of an Android back on 2011 was that you could do basically everything with your phone, removable battery, SD card, headphone jack, OLED screen, now a days there are little difference between an iphone and a Galaxy S, and as people see iOS as a superior os they just like it more
@@andrescarrasco1248 no point of removable battery because the battery should be good enough to last longer instead of needing to be replaced SD card isn't needed since the phones come with way more storage which is also much faster than SD card storage Little differences? lmao there's tons of differences. Samsungs one ui runs circles around ios Samsung has infintiyly more features freedom and customization eg Apple copying widgets yet making them worse. Samsung has better battery optimization, faster charging, reverse wireless charging better zoom and overall better camera experience, better display, way more features eg dex pc to desktop coding pasting etc meanwhile ios doesn't even have basic features like desktop folder system, split screen multitasking, ability to close all apps at once, ability to place apps wherever you want without having to be beside another app. I could go on and on
@@eventusvantos2770 yet is not an iphone, most people will say that, if you spend 1000 bucks on a phone why a Galaxy if you can buy an iphone, all those things you just said 95% of phone buyers don't know or don't care, because still iphone gives you status, and people who care about specs and features are most likely to buy a cheaper phone that has almost same specs, all phones are becoming really really good, and Samsung is losing any real difference for regular non techy buyer
@@andrescarrasco1248 "yet is not an iphone" thats a good thing lol Because an iPhone doesn't even have a quarter of a quarter of those things and you're wrong most people DO know that's why Samsung has the most marketshare in the smartphone space Samsung if anything has a bigger status symbol with its flagships because if anything them being less common makes them more desirable similar to how if a ferrari was so common it wouldn't be as desirable You can't get anywhere near as good display battery life camera combination without going with the flagship and you don't have to be a tech nerd to appreciate all of those major differences
Apple is like the Catholic Church. They only use moral reasoning when it doesn't jeopardize their affairs. And a TechAltar is the perfect spot to discover it.
I always learn a lot from your videos and it's easy to understand.I guess I formed my unique preference in choosing a phone or gadget with the help of your channel. Keep it up!
Incredible how some people spend on highend gear then limit the sound quality with compressed Spotify. Instead, it's much better to use a lossless streaming source like Apple Music.
What fascinates me the most in Apple's history with China is how Westerners who are supposedly attached to "Human Rights" pretend not to see what Apple is doing in China.
Pompeo took ETIM off the terrorist list to mess with China, go figure. "Human rights" is just a game. China always has human rights issues, but it only becomes a topic when the US wants to haggle on the trade deal or achieve other geo-political goals. Germany needs the US approval to build Nordstream 2, so their media doesn't talk about the US droning weddings and hospitals.
I greatly feel that the very first and main reason for Apple being even standing on it's feet,i.e.,the company's integral relationship with the govt,would at some point in future be the sole reason for the downfall (atleast in Cxhina).
IMO, this TechAltat video is by far the BEST Marton has put out, in terms of research, presentation and more... The Information density in this video is insane. Great Job... 👍👍 A couple of times I even had to rewind to catch up with what he is saying...
As a Chinese, I can tell you clearly that before NOTE7, my whole family used Samsung, and many people also use it outside. Samsung will perish because of the Note7 battery explosion, Samsung recalled worldwide (except China), on the grounds that the Chinese version does not use the same battery, it will not explode, it does sound very reasonable. But it turns out that most airlines and transports in China, prohibit the carrying of NOTE7 (regardless of which country's version). Then Samsung went downhill immediately, because both the note7 and Samsung fans would persuade people around them not to buy Samsung, and at that time Chinese brands themselves were on the rise (Huawei, Xiaomi, etc.), and finally Huawei, Xiaomi didn't need to work too hard , to get Samsung's market share.（To put it simply, except for Apple, other smartphones are not irreplaceable） As for political issues, it is true that in China, many companies are easily influenced by politics, but Apple will rise, the main reason is that Apple's own products are excellent, such as complete and fast after-sales service and product ecosystem. Otherwise Apple wouldn't be globally popular (or did Apple give money to governments around the world?)
@@ramonemiliochaconperdomo7225 CCP has been trying to suppress their anger in order to steal US and Democratic world high techies.Therefore China is well known world wide as Master of cloning, copycating,techies spying etc.
@@kameshwaranramachandran9322 The Chinese people's own data information is not handed over to their own government, is it handed over to a foreign company or country? what about your brain?Will your country hand over the data of its citizens to foreign control?No government will sell the interests of its citizens to foreign countries
Fun fact Smartphone market share in these three countries Japan: Apple, and other Japanese smartphone brand(unsuccessful outside of Japan) SK: Apple, Samsung other SK smartphone brands(successful in a lot of countries except Japan and China) China: Apple, Xiaomi, Huawei and other Chinese smartphone brands.(successful in a lot of countries except in SK and Japan)
Can confirmed that the Chinese version of iphone you bought all the data you saved on the cloud will be store in China’s local server instead of google or Apple’s cloud,and based on the censorship of the country,the emoji 🇹🇼 is not shown as well,there are also few functions still lack of supported in the country for example FaceTime audio and group.
Have to admit currently Apple iCloud is the only way for people who needs files exchange between China and international without VPN or mess around the internet.
This video was amazing Marton! Thanks a lot, the effort always shows! Very interesting and arguably eye opening. Everytime I see stuff about the Chinese market I find it fascinating.
simple answer: by Trump targeting Huawei. Basically the market share Huawei lost due to access to chips (TSMC 7nm), goes to Apple and Samsung, and especially Apple. And of course, Apple must provide great customer service and products, as well as marketing to win this portion of market against dozens of competitors in the Chinese market.
Not really, they’re still running android, making googles key services are in their requirements to make their own ecosystem as a complete experience as possible
I still can't believe Marton is only at 555K subscribers. I haven't taken a peek at the TechAltar sub count in months and thought he was at 1.2-2.1 million subs. No joke.
If Apple run on android it would be like samsung as well. it is competition, the most intensive on earth. chinese brands offer much better value than samnsung but apple run a different os to carve out a separate market.
Ada Lovelace didn't build the machine, Charles Babbage did, it was called the difference engine. Ada lovelace only created cards that were used to program Babbages machine, and is widely considered to be the very first programmer.
Can you do a video about Apple in Australia 🇦🇺 ?? It’s almost impossible to find an android user here in Australia. 😅 it’s a small market due to our population but I’ve always wondered why Samsung failed here and even the likes of Oppo is struggling
a lot of people still have androids in Australia but its probably gonna become less and less as young people all love apple and hate androids since it's 'budget' and on twitter & tiktok u get clowned for having androids
Most Android players are Chinese. How's current Australian media paint China? I think anyone who watches Australian news cannot avoid got brainwashed, if you check ozbargain, you can easily spot anti-china comments on every Chinese phone deals. Like they are cheaper than Samsung they must put some sort of untold secret espionage thing inside the phone to track every Australian and the result is obvious, people tend to not buy Chinese phones. Samsung phones generally are not decent IMO, mediocre at best, Nokia phones don't feel Scandinavian at all and they are worse, Google basically treats Pixel as device that demonstrates latest technology, and they are pricey and looks boring. Sony quit. So only Apple.
Huawei sells their phone cheaper in Australia than they are in China offers more for less cost, like give Sonos or GT Watch or Huawei photo portable printer or discount with gift card through Telstra at JB hi-fi as bonus, Huawei is the only Chinese mobile company spent a lot on marketing in Australia, but when people see Huawei's ad they immediately think it's CCP propaganda, thus I never saw a white person using Huawei phone, least in WA, all Huawei users I spotted are Asian and presumably Chinese. I guess Huawei already proved what's so called wasting money to other Chinese players. Xiaomi's strategy seems spent almost none of marketing, but actually they do a lot, that's one of the misconception, they just using different approach and works well in countries like India and China, for Australia, the market is too small to care, and outright pricing of Xiaomi in Australia is terrible, Xiaomi doesn't even bother sign up with any carriers. By the way, all Telstra branded mobile phone actually is OEM by ZTE.
Ahh, most people I know love android and not apple due to apple build quality and other factors. Superficial people go for apple. Their reason always being 'they heard it was good' but can not say what is actually good about them. The masses are sheeple. US products are always promoted biasly and other products demoted, it's a monopoly.
@@glyn6185 Only morons go on twitter and tiktok, so why would anyone be bothered about what they approve. tiktok most watched video 'person falls off chair' hilarious. Watch the documentary 'Idiocracy'
"Business sense" = playing nice with the CCP and not having your global services banned? Android providing subpar experience due to CCP's interference kneecaps Android flagships, while the Chinese market is abnormally skewed towards flagships. This is the tl;dr of the video.
@@Agtsmirnoff Did you not read his comment? He mentioned specs. That should tell you what he meant - since most flagships running Android outspec iPhones
@@erejnion That’s exactly what it means in the current global trade climate in case you haven’t noticed. There are no heroes or villains in this business anymore (if there ever were). Only the bottom line matters, especially as the margins in the mobile market continue to grow smaller.
It's not hard to see what Apple and the Chinese government see in each other, to have such a close relationship: the most nosy, intrusive regime in the history of mankind wants the most elaborate, all-encompassing surveillance infrastructure in the market on its team. And that infrastructure wants an advantage in the largest market in the world to gather profits from.
It is a shame that Apple is hypocritical in this regard. I was thinking that perhaps my next phone would be an Indian made iPhone. With Apple behaving in this manner I may end up buying another Samsung. I am strange; I switch between iOS and android smartphones.
actually apple have exported 1billion dollar worth iphone in December 2022 from india & display of iphones r supplied by samsung which is also made in india
I think Chinese people have fewer devices overall, so they spend more on the only device they have: the phone. Meanwhile I have an years-old Sony as a phone - and top of the line PC, laptop, another laptop, etc.
Well, I am a Chinese, I have a iPhone, iPad, Xbox and a gaming laptop. But you know I am subscriber to this channel, so I am not your average Chinese 🤓
@@1zhang552 well, it’s you who is ignorant and arrogant. There is a significant amount of Chinese only relay solely on their smart phones for internet connections. The study from CNNIC shows that 99.6% Chinese use their smartphones to access Internet whereas the percentage for desktop and laptop are 34.6% and 30.8% respectively. So that’s to say there are 40%+ Chinese don’t have computers and only get phones. There are also 637 Million Chinese mobile gamers and only 321 Million Chinese pc gamers. So for a great number of Chinese, their smartphone is their primary or only method of accessing internet and gaming which is his argument and the reason behind why Chinese tends to spend disproportionately high amount of money on their smartphones compare to western consumers.
@@1zhang552 same with India mate - significant percentage of population only use smartphones to connect to internet. Most folks subscribed to a tech focused channel like this one will have other devices or use other ones because most of us by demographic of this channel work in tech based fields
@@aravindpallippara1577 I could guess that China's rural market then has similar conditions to India in that people buy phobes as their primary internet devices but don't have the disposable income for much more than budget phones. Doesn't explain the city population but the video had that covered anyway.
The biggest reason is the rise of Chinese Android phones, already has Xiaomi, huawei, honor, oppo, vivo, redmi, etc. And meizu, meilan, Nubia etc. back then. And they're much much cheaper at the beginning, and better local ecosystem, better local operating system. Samsung was just expensive and not really quality difference from the local brands phones really. They don't need Samsung or any other brand. Apple is just the other option. And apple is doing well recently is mainly because the US trade wars and sactions.
Your most trusted phone brand helping and collabrating with the government of a country which unleashed a bio weapon on the world and destroyed the world economy Of course it's actually FUCKING SCARY I'd rather say it ain't just scary it actually feels sinister
Actually, there are literally so many brands and also so many buyers, in China, that despite the newest of Xiaomi phones being reportedly sold out in minutes, they aren't able to make a noticeable spot in the chart.
@@sidharthcs2110 main above comment is kinda true, try to comprehend it. LoL can't even make fun of sidharth, geez looking at profile pic Life's already that to sidharth🤣
@@Ram_SV I was going to make fun of you and I realized you can't even understand the difference between the two systems. What can I do when the guy I'm speaking to has the intellect of a 10 year old. Try comprehending that. Not sure if you can handle long sentences like this
You wanna know how Apple did it, that's easy. The chinese love brand stuff and luxury. Apple became the luxury brand for smartphones worldwide so ofc the chinese are greedy for Apple products.
rare earth mineral are not rare. many countries have it. the real case is: the factory. only china have the factory to process it. it's not about the availability (of the mineral) nor the technology to process it, but the ECONOMIC SCALE. many countries "can" build the factory, but no one want to waste billion $ for very small return.
@@user-hv4ky5kt2x yep, cobalt is processed in Australia by a Chinese country (of course locally) but still mining and resource processing is a massive endeavour which needs humongous capital to be actually viable or even profitable. And once you are making a profit, it's very hard for anybody else to compete in a free market - because they need to beat your prices to gain market share.
You may criticize for their approach with Apple, but consider that China has allowed Apple but the US hasn’t allowed Huawei, despite how great it would be for consumers, under the supposedly “freest market” in the world.
I cannot really follow your observation. I'm living in a large Chinese city and yes, many people have flagships, but often several years old. And the phones are comparatively cheap here, the same (European) models are often more expensive in Europe.
I agree with everything except for average selling price. If you see APAC region as well average. selling price is 246 $ Talking about two countries (India & China) I think the average selling price is mostly driven by most of the users bying midrange smartphones in 200 to 400$ range.
Wow. So much luxury in China in terms of phones. I don't understand the need to spend so much on a phone when its life is merely 3-4 years. (Personally I've used a phone for longer, but still)
@Purple Spark ---- In urban China people have tended to do very well economically for the last 30 years. They also have been very successful savers of their money. They believe in purchasing high quality items with their saved resources. By looking only at the initial price you're are misunderstanding the concept of value. Apple's most recent operating system supported iPhones that were 7 years old. For most of Android's history they have only been supporting phones for 2 years. Also for consumers that want to upgrade sooner, the iPhone retains its value much better than Android in a resale scenario.
I have been using my phone for work and so use apple. I used to have a flip before I started to need it for work; I thought that flips made me seem to be a hipster.
@Yamilt A. ----- While the Chinese household ratio of debt to income is very similar to the US, there are 2 very large mitigating factors that have them in far better shape: 1. A much higher percentage of Chinese debt is mortgage debt. The advantage is mortgage debt has a lower interest rate (4.5%) compared to the massive amount of credit card debt in the US which carries 18% to 21% interest rates. 2. Chinese households save 3.5 times more of their income than US households. It leaves them more able to easily service their debt.
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Yes,yes, Please
By chance I was on Nebula yesterday and saw this and the bonus video and watched them then, but Nebula really needs email notifications or something like that.
what a steal! Now that I have a job again I really want to try Curiosity Stream
@@korakys we have push notifications now, per channel. If you are on the app, go to a channel and tap the bell icon :)
Honestly, this channel is criminally underrated. Amazing video, packed with information. Keep up the good work.
It actually is not because he keeps abusing it to aggressively push people to nebula.
Factos
@@knowledgepureknowhow he has every right to self promotion. People do it all the time, like selling merch or making “custom” accessories. Promoting a more creator-friendly platform is always a + in my book.
Curiosity stream + nebula bundle insane value for money and also extremely under rated.
It's unique.
This is my first video I’m not even 10 seconds in but as soon as I see “criminally underrated” in a comments section I’m gonna subscribe first and ask questions later👌🏽
Currently in China... When Iphones first came out they were seen as a luxury good and people were showing them off. Phone cases would have a cut out so people could see the Apple logo and there were plenty of copy-cats. I was a huge Android fan until I moved to China. Partly because of the "great firewall" Android was not a good option. I had a Xiaomi phone as well, but the hardware just didn't last. I just bought an Iphone 13 yesterday and the customer support in China is really good. (Also there are plenty of repair shops that can fix Apple product more easily)
@@EggEnjoyer I think it is everywhere where they sell well
@@EggEnjoyer It’s a luxury reliable product, which is why people love it, so ofc, one of those features will be showing it off, hence the cut out cases
@@EggEnjoyer it not "luxurious" but the price is definitely luxurious. LOL
@@EggEnjoyer you’re twisting my words. I didn’t call them better than other products so why bring that part up?
They’re a social factor yes, meaning a status symbol and ppl like them for that social factor, meaning it’s a luxury status symbol. To them. “Hardly luxurious”, nope, they’re very luxurious in those that see it as that
This is VERY WRONG. Androids users in China practically never experienced Google play services before. There is NO WAY there would make consumer choice based on the lack of Google services in preference over Apple. They simply do not have frame of reference on that one.
Obviously, you wouldn’t know that cuz you are not Chinese. You are speaking as a non-Chinese living in China who had experiences with Google Play and related services before.
Tesla China relationship is even more partial but less surprising
The CCP will use tesla and other EVs to know exactly where you went even if you switch off your phone and don't want to be tracked. Of course there are cameras right now that do some tracking but nothing like pin point location.
@@thunderb00m
Every gov does that, the ccp is just vocal about it, and this is not a conspiracy theory Edward Snowden revealed everything years ago, I don't know why people still pretend like China is a unique case, all govs are a threat to individuals.
China invited Tesla to china to allow other Chinese EV companies to copy tesla's technology and eventually dominate EV industry. This is what happened in electronics industries.
@@tayloryoung4974 yeah a lot of people fail to realize no one is forcing Tesla to do the deal, they still went in despite knowing how Chinese companies and government do business. So at the end of the day, it's just business and nothing new.
@@jtsy4944 China saved Tesla when the were running out of cash. Tesla owes China. If China didn't bail them out, Tesla would not exist today.
What a superbly researched and put together video on one of the most important topics of our time. Apple’s bargain with China and business prudence there is a story unique to 21st century capitalism and one we shouldn’t ignore.
China is the future. there is no doubt. I am learning Chinese! Look at the top 10 power langauges: English, Spanish, French, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, German, Arabic, Hindu, Portuguese!
It's Communism
@@cooliipie China has nothing to do with communism; it's a hypercapitalist country.
@@Korne127 So then you admit that Taiwan is really China?
China is a communists country so wtf are you even talking about?
Wow, I did not know the extent that Huawei absolutely tanked. It's a shame, I enjoyed their phones.
Owned a tablet of them last year...
Their OS doesn't even work well with custom Launchers..
Nothx
Not a shame, it's a beautiful thing to see. Hopefully we can get all those Chinese companies to tank in the same way, everywhere in the world
@@biomerl what a clown
@@biomerl dream on troll. China tech will thrived.
@@EggEnjoyer lol. Yeah we love no spyware. Good luck if you think US spyware is good.
I remember backing in the early 10s, everyone around me were saying that Samsung usually get slow really fast and that they wouldn’t buy a Samsung as their next phone. I blame for lack of localisation (e.g. for mega apps like WeChat), early success+bad Android optimisation, note 7 incident as reasons behind the downfall for Samsung in China.
I only own a Damsung tablet for their SPen...
If not for it, I'd immediatelly sell it.
Terrible thermal management.
I had a Galaxy s2, was nice at first but ended up being the worst phone I ever had.
Tried again with the s5 and s9, good phones but lack of long term support meant they were obsolete 18 months after purchase. I’m sticking with Apple sadly for the time being.
Lol they still get slow to this day
@@_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- ain’t that the common issue of Android? And ever other major update google says that they fixed the problem
@@jacobnewmanlim2470 my backup OnePlus One (yes, the one from 2014) still feels snappier than my S9...
Very interesting video, so well researched and presented. I live in Shenzhen, China, and it's so true what you said about the split between big urban areas and rural places. I look at peoples phones on the subway system all the time here in the city and it's all top end devises; iPhones dominate here, Apple Watches everywhere. I was recently at an event for the Honor Magic V and a lot of the employees had the latest iPhones which was amusing. Great video as always, and the Crrowd app is so helpful for me. Cant wait to see what you'll be making in the coming years! Love it!
You're right about that one. I visited one of the Huawei stores in Shenzhen before Covid. Shenzhen happens to be Huawei's hq and yet their own store employees are using iphones.
I left Shanghai in 2018, but I remember Samsung was a super popular phone there, surprised how quickly it disappeared.
I remember they were once selling a flagship android flip phone. Was almost 10 000 rmb. Only saw it in the shops.
Galaxy Notes and S was very common. That’s a massive market to lose.
Samsung betrayed everything that made them a fan favorite in the first place, the point of an Android back on 2011 was that you could do basically everything with your phone, removable battery, SD card, headphone jack, OLED screen, now a days there are little difference between an iphone and a Galaxy S, and as people see iOS as a superior os they just like it more
i haven't seen manu people using Samsung in the last 6 years let alone 2018. it was big once but after 2015 they dropped dead
@@andrescarrasco1248 no point of removable battery because the battery should be good enough to last longer instead of needing to be replaced
SD card isn't needed since the phones come with way more storage which is also much faster than SD card storage
Little differences? lmao there's tons of differences. Samsungs one ui runs circles around ios
Samsung has infintiyly more features freedom and customization eg Apple copying widgets yet making them worse. Samsung has better battery optimization, faster charging, reverse wireless charging better zoom and overall better camera experience, better display, way more features eg dex pc to desktop coding pasting etc meanwhile ios doesn't even have basic features like desktop folder system, split screen multitasking, ability to close all apps at once, ability to place apps wherever you want without having to be beside another app. I could go on and on
@@eventusvantos2770 yet is not an iphone, most people will say that, if you spend 1000 bucks on a phone why a Galaxy if you can buy an iphone, all those things you just said 95% of phone buyers don't know or don't care, because still iphone gives you status, and people who care about specs and features are most likely to buy a cheaper phone that has almost same specs, all phones are becoming really really good, and Samsung is losing any real difference for regular non techy buyer
@@andrescarrasco1248 "yet is not an iphone" thats a good thing lol
Because an iPhone doesn't even have a quarter of a quarter of those things and you're wrong most people DO know that's why Samsung has the most marketshare in the smartphone space
Samsung if anything has a bigger status symbol with its flagships because if anything them being less common makes them more desirable similar to how if a ferrari was so common it wouldn't be as desirable
You can't get anywhere near as good display battery life camera combination without going with the flagship and you don't have to be a tech nerd to appreciate all of those major differences
Apple is like the Catholic Church. They only use moral reasoning when it doesn't jeopardize their affairs. And a TechAltar is the perfect spot to discover it.
That's a strange representation
@@MKB720P a distorted view of the Church.
@@blugaledoh2669 Going to say that's what most established religions are like.... Church is simply not an exception
I always learn a lot from your videos and it's easy to understand.I guess I formed my unique preference in choosing a phone or gadget with the help of your channel. Keep it up!
Incredible how some people spend on highend gear then limit the sound quality with compressed Spotify.
Instead, it's much better to use a lossless streaming source like Apple Music.
Soooo Apple sold their soul for chinese money... Yeah, I'm shocked af....
You should be. To even think that a corporate entity would have a soul 🤣
What soul?
@@bruhder5854 By "soul" I meant integrity. But as we all know every company became wh**re for chinese money......
it's capitalism.
@@zj7396 *You mistake this term with open market.
What fascinates me the most in Apple's history with China is how Westerners who are supposedly attached to "Human Rights" pretend not to see what Apple is doing in China.
Pompeo took ETIM off the terrorist list to mess with China, go figure. "Human rights" is just a game. China always has human rights issues, but it only becomes a topic when the US wants to haggle on the trade deal or achieve other geo-political goals. Germany needs the US approval to build Nordstream 2, so their media doesn't talk about the US droning weddings and hospitals.
@@RichardHorpe ikr they even started the whole stupid Xinjiang - Uyghur lie so that they can stop BRI
@@jasonsoo6138 +20 social credit score has been deposited into your account.
@@darkRanzero then apple has 1mill+ social credit score.
@@darkRanzero lame but thanks ???
I greatly feel that the very first and main reason for Apple being even standing on it's feet,i.e.,the company's integral relationship with the govt,would at some point in future be the sole reason for the downfall (atleast in Cxhina).
IMO, this TechAltat video is by far the BEST Marton has put out, in terms of research, presentation and more... The Information density in this video is insane. Great Job... 👍👍 A couple of times I even had to rewind to catch up with what he is saying...
As a Chinese, I can tell you clearly that before NOTE7, my whole family used Samsung, and many people also use it outside. Samsung will perish because of the Note7 battery explosion, Samsung recalled worldwide (except China), on the grounds that the Chinese version does not use the same battery, it will not explode, it does sound very reasonable. But it turns out that most airlines and transports in China, prohibit the carrying of NOTE7 (regardless of which country's version). Then Samsung went downhill immediately, because both the note7 and Samsung fans would persuade people around them not to buy Samsung, and at that time Chinese brands themselves were on the rise (Huawei, Xiaomi, etc.), and finally Huawei, Xiaomi didn't need to work too hard , to get Samsung's market share.（To put it simply, except for Apple, other smartphones are not irreplaceable）
As for political issues, it is true that in China, many companies are easily influenced by politics, but Apple will rise, the main reason is that Apple's own products are excellent, such as complete and fast after-sales service and product ecosystem. Otherwise Apple wouldn't be globally popular (or did Apple give money to governments around the world?)
Plus, samsung is a south korean company so they hate commies.
Luckoly though, samsung is growing in india
@@fanny2081 In any case, Apple is an American company, a country that the China's government don't get along.
@@ramonemiliochaconperdomo7225 unless the agreed to secretly share consumer data with the dictators in China😂
@@ramonemiliochaconperdomo7225 CCP has been trying to suppress their anger in order to steal US and Democratic world high techies.Therefore China is well known world wide as Master of cloning, copycating,techies spying etc.
@@kameshwaranramachandran9322 The Chinese people's own data information is not handed over to their own government, is it handed over to a foreign company or country? what about your brain?Will your country hand over the data of its citizens to foreign control?No government will sell the interests of its citizens to foreign countries
Fun fact
Smartphone market share in these three countries
Japan: Apple, and other Japanese smartphone brand(unsuccessful outside of Japan)
SK: Apple, Samsung other SK smartphone brands(successful in a lot of countries except Japan and China)
China: Apple, Xiaomi, Huawei and other Chinese smartphone brands.(successful in a lot of countries except in SK and Japan)
One reason: Samsung is not regarded as a premium phone brand in China.
B D lying.
@Suraj Kumar Mishra kyu juth bol raha hai
@Suraj Kumar Mishra naam ki democracy hai
@@ritu8985 charsi ka chela spotted
Apple iPhone wins in china.
Samsung wins everything else (hardwares, components, electronics) in china.
"what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone"
Not in communist china
This was never true, it just stays with Apple.
Until they decide it doesn't.
@@RandomPerson-tz7wk not anywhere tbh
"What happens on your iPhone stays on your and xi jinping's iphone"
@@99Teutons ngl lame pretty lame retort
The Story Behind series is one of my favorite things on UA-cam
Its a good day when tech altar uploads
Can confirmed that the Chinese version of iphone you bought all the data you saved on the cloud will be store in China’s local server instead of google or Apple’s cloud,and based on the censorship of the country,the emoji 🇹🇼 is not shown as well,there are also few functions still lack of supported in the country for example FaceTime audio and group.
And none of this is going to come back to bite them.
Have to admit currently Apple iCloud is the only way for people who needs files exchange between China and international without VPN or mess around the internet.
@吃货小美女 总好过你只懂吃
@xiaomeinv7你懂你说，请问哪一个云服务能同时在国外国内高速使用？不用任何代理翻墙？最讨厌就是你这种，啥都说不出就只知道说别人不懂
This video was amazing Marton! Thanks a lot, the effort always shows!
Very interesting and arguably eye opening. Everytime I see stuff about the Chinese market I find it fascinating.
Cause, Apple invested 275 billion dollars in China in that past 5 years, lol. That's why.
simple answer: by Trump targeting Huawei. Basically the market share Huawei lost due to access to chips (TSMC 7nm), goes to Apple and Samsung, and especially Apple.
And of course, Apple must provide great customer service and products, as well as marketing to win this portion of market against dozens of competitors in the Chinese market.
It's weird tho because Samsung has a pretty darn good ecosystem even without Google
Not really, they’re still running android, making googles key services are in their requirements to make their own ecosystem as a complete experience as possible
but iphone is better
Most chinese think apple phone is luxury phone, u r right. Anyway i'm a fan of samsung android phones witch r resonsble n easy to use.
Didn't know this, never buying an apple product again
I still can't believe Marton is only at 555K subscribers. I haven't taken a peek at the TechAltar sub count in months and thought he was at 1.2-2.1 million subs. No joke.
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Could you post links to your sources? In case we want to do additional reading
how long until Apple move entire HQ to china?
Won't happen. That would give the state too much leverage. They want to be able to "pivot out" if relations sour.
If Apple run on android it would be like samsung as well. it is competition, the most intensive on earth. chinese brands offer much better value than samnsung but apple run a different os to carve out a separate market.
Awesome explainer. Love this series !
Outstanding video. This is why I’m subbed
There are no borders or problems when there is mutual interest in making some moneyzzz. Capitalistic dream. Great video. Regards from Serbia.
Ada Lovelace didn't build the machine, Charles Babbage did, it was called the difference engine. Ada lovelace only created cards that were used to program Babbages machine, and is widely considered to be the very first programmer.
Can you do a video about Apple in Australia 🇦🇺 ??
It’s almost impossible to find an android user here in Australia. 😅 it’s a small market due to our population but I’ve always wondered why Samsung failed here and even the likes of Oppo is struggling
a lot of people still have androids in Australia but its probably gonna become less and less as young people all love apple and hate androids since it's 'budget' and on twitter & tiktok u get clowned for having androids
Most Android players are Chinese. How's current Australian media paint China? I think anyone who watches Australian news cannot avoid got brainwashed, if you check ozbargain, you can easily spot anti-china comments on every Chinese phone deals. Like they are cheaper than Samsung they must put some sort of untold secret espionage thing inside the phone to track every Australian and the result is obvious, people tend to not buy Chinese phones. Samsung phones generally are not decent IMO, mediocre at best, Nokia phones don't feel Scandinavian at all and they are worse, Google basically treats Pixel as device that demonstrates latest technology, and they are pricey and looks boring. Sony quit. So only Apple.
Huawei sells their phone cheaper in Australia than they are in China offers more for less cost, like give Sonos or GT Watch or Huawei photo portable printer or discount with gift card through Telstra at JB hi-fi as bonus, Huawei is the only Chinese mobile company spent a lot on marketing in Australia, but when people see Huawei's ad they immediately think it's CCP propaganda, thus I never saw a white person using Huawei phone, least in WA, all Huawei users I spotted are Asian and presumably Chinese. I guess Huawei already proved what's so called wasting money to other Chinese players. Xiaomi's strategy seems spent almost none of marketing, but actually they do a lot, that's one of the misconception, they just using different approach and works well in countries like India and China, for Australia, the market is too small to care, and outright pricing of Xiaomi in Australia is terrible, Xiaomi doesn't even bother sign up with any carriers. By the way, all Telstra branded mobile phone actually is OEM by ZTE.
Ahh, most people I know love android and not apple due to apple build quality and other factors. Superficial people go for apple. Their reason always being 'they heard it was good' but can not say what is actually good about them. The masses are sheeple. US products are always promoted biasly and other products demoted, it's a monopoly.
@@glyn6185 Only morons go on twitter and tiktok, so why would anyone be bothered about what they approve. tiktok most watched video 'person falls off chair' hilarious. Watch the documentary 'Idiocracy'
6:28 Reflection in the window is the Samsung A80
One advantage of joining Nebula is that you can skip the promos at the end of the videos
You can do the same with yt vanced
Is it really worth the money though? _Just_ for that?
@@Connie_TinuityError well, is not just that
Thanks for the video Marton!
06:22 hehe Samsung reflection on apple store.
This is the perfect example of how business sense > spec race in the current mobile market
True
"Business sense" = playing nice with the CCP and not having your global services banned?
Android providing subpar experience due to CCP's interference kneecaps Android flagships, while the Chinese market is abnormally skewed towards flagships. This is the tl;dr of the video.
What do you mean, most aspects of the iPhone meet or exceed their android counterparts
@@Agtsmirnoff Did you not read his comment? He mentioned specs. That should tell you what he meant - since most flagships running Android outspec iPhones
@@erejnion That’s exactly what it means in the current global trade climate in case you haven’t noticed. There are no heroes or villains in this business anymore (if there ever were). Only the bottom line matters, especially as the margins in the mobile market continue to grow smaller.
I remember watching your videos since you had less than 100K Subs and thinking yeah this channel will someday grow
It's not hard to see what Apple and the Chinese government see in each other, to have such a close relationship: the most nosy, intrusive regime in the history of mankind wants the most elaborate, all-encompassing surveillance infrastructure in the market on its team. And that infrastructure wants an advantage in the largest market in the world to gather profits from.
Apple is seen as a fashion statement or a sign of wealth in china.
It is a shame that Apple is hypocritical in this regard. I was thinking that perhaps my next phone would be an Indian made iPhone. With Apple behaving in this manner I may end up buying another Samsung.
I am strange; I switch between iOS and android smartphones.
actually apple have exported 1billion dollar worth iphone in December 2022 from india & display of iphones r supplied by samsung which is also made in india
Surely being more dependent on China won’t backfire...
If Samsung and Apple work together it would be called "SAMPLE" 😂
and my mom doesn't like Android phones because they're "made in China" :D
Well iphone made in China too,in that case your mom will go back to stone age
@@kosia1972 Nokia 3310
Good research. 👍
summary: people love Apple iPhones and they re willing to pay the high price as soon as they can afford it.
I think Chinese people have fewer devices overall, so they spend more on the only device they have: the phone. Meanwhile I have an years-old Sony as a phone - and top of the line PC, laptop, another laptop, etc.
Well, I am a Chinese, I have a iPhone, iPad, Xbox and a gaming laptop. But you know I am subscriber to this channel, so I am not your average Chinese 🤓
you are ignorance arrogance
@@1zhang552 well, it’s you who is ignorant and arrogant. There is a significant amount of Chinese only relay solely on their smart phones for internet connections. The study from CNNIC shows that 99.6% Chinese use their smartphones to access Internet whereas the percentage for desktop and laptop are 34.6% and 30.8% respectively. So that’s to say there are 40%+ Chinese don’t have computers and only get phones. There are also 637 Million Chinese mobile gamers and only 321 Million Chinese pc gamers. So for a great number of Chinese, their smartphone is their primary or only method of accessing internet and gaming which is his argument and the reason behind why Chinese tends to spend disproportionately high amount of money on their smartphones compare to western consumers.
@@1zhang552 same with India mate - significant percentage of population only use smartphones to connect to internet.
Most folks subscribed to a tech focused channel like this one will have other devices or use other ones because most of us by demographic of this channel work in tech based fields
@@aravindpallippara1577 I could guess that China's rural market then has similar conditions to India in that people buy phobes as their primary internet devices but don't have the disposable income for much more than budget phones. Doesn't explain the city population but the video had that covered anyway.
There are many Apple Stores 🏬 in China 🇨🇳.
The biggest reason is the rise of Chinese Android phones, already has Xiaomi, huawei, honor, oppo, vivo, redmi, etc. And meizu, meilan, Nubia etc. back then. And they're much much cheaper at the beginning, and better local ecosystem, better local operating system.
Samsung was just expensive and not really quality difference from the local brands phones really. They don't need Samsung or any other brand. Apple is just the other option.
And apple is doing well recently is mainly because the US trade wars and sactions.
It will be really hard for other brands in China to get the same premium reputation as Apple and Huawei
id say for the iphone 13 range of devices: 1.09 to 1.49 million won
You didn't mention how Apple in China is around 30% more expensive than in the US due to taxes. They still sell iPhones like hot bread.
Well the same apple has 1% market share in India!
wow... the myth of apple's security...
Chinese OEMs should do the same thing.
Do what apple did with China and work everywhere BEING TRUSTED.
And America is screaming don't do business with china 😂😂😂
Something about this just doesn't feel right, and I don't know what it is. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Your most trusted phone brand helping and collabrating with the government of a country which unleashed a bio weapon on the world and destroyed the world economy
Of course it's actually FUCKING SCARY I'd rather say it ain't just scary it actually feels sinister
it's a little weird. clearly apple and the CCP are in bed with eachother. this is despite huawei being decimated based on similar concerns.
@@99Teutons lmfaooooooooo, 'bio weapon' more like yanks can't even make their people wear masks
Reused the same type of template in tis video's thumbnail from previous video
Why isn't Xiaomi on that graph? Are their sales in China low?
yeah, they don't do that well in china
Actually, there are literally so many brands and also so many buyers, in China, that despite the newest of Xiaomi phones being reportedly sold out in minutes, they aren't able to make a noticeable spot in the chart.
That Calculatin Ada video is like unavailable to watch unless you look it up on your phone, dont know why its like that its on youtube tho.
China : authoritarian government
Apple : walled garden ecosystem
Matched made in heaven
exactly
didn't expect a new tech altar video so soon! Very interesting video none the less.
It's every Friday
@@RandomPerson-tz7wkthat's the Friday checkout videos not these ones
@@rohitdoestech oh yeah, that's tomorrow. Sorry, today is Friday where I live.
Verry well researched video
Do they sell their equipment cheaper over there? Or don‘t they charge those customs and taxes? They are told to take a lot of import customs.
6:06 Stock footage is so fucking hilarious from time to time. 🤣
ngl the thumbnail looks like somewhat that of polymatter's.
but tech alter is cool while polymatter is shit
For me SAMSUNG is the BEST.
aaaaaand then their sales dropped by 24%...
Great video, thank you!
Maturity is when you realise the self-proclaimed "epitome of free market" acts more "communist" than a self-proclaimed "communist" country.
Lol
Maturity is when you realize that Apple made their 1984 commercial about themselves.
Maturity is when recognizing bullshit in the comments like yours
@@sidharthcs2110 main above comment is kinda true, try to comprehend it. LoL can't even make fun of sidharth, geez looking at profile pic Life's already that to sidharth🤣
@@Ram_SV
I was going to make fun of you and I realized you can't even understand the difference between the two systems.
What can I do when the guy I'm speaking to has the intellect of a 10 year old.
Try comprehending that. Not sure if you can handle long sentences like this
You wanna know how Apple did it, that's easy.
The chinese love brand stuff and luxury. Apple became the luxury brand for smartphones worldwide so ofc the chinese are greedy for Apple products.
Thanks for your sharing
Apple forgets all human rights in China
endian
Why is Huawei crashing though? Just temporary as it was sales and not "phones in use"?
Not allowed to buy chips. That will kill any company.
Huawei still make lots of profit by building factory, farming, etc. automation. plus receiving fees from companies that using Huawei 5g patents.
Learned a lot with this video, well made and in-depth information!
Apple is equally as creepy, manipulative and controlling as the Chinese government, so it's hardly surprising they're a match made in heaven.
Psammiad, the only creepy and manipulative is your ppat and creepy pic troll.
First i like his videos, then starts to watch. UA-cam seriously needs algorithm to separate quality contents from just copy paste one.
A quote from the WSJ: "Some analysts say China mines more than 70% of the world's rare earths (elements)". I would play ball too with the CCP
What about Australia?
rare earth mineral are not rare. many countries have it. the real case is: the factory. only china have the factory to process it. it's not about the availability (of the mineral) nor the technology to process it, but the ECONOMIC SCALE. many countries "can" build the factory, but no one want to waste billion $ for very small return.
@@user-hv4ky5kt2x yep, cobalt is processed in Australia by a Chinese country (of course locally) but still mining and resource processing is a massive endeavour which needs humongous capital to be actually viable or even profitable.
And once you are making a profit, it's very hard for anybody else to compete in a free market - because they need to beat your prices to gain market share.
cobalt is not in the rare earth minerals list.
@@user-hv4ky5kt2x ok technically true - but, it's a much in demand metal that's not being met
Okay! So what about Galaxy Z Flip 3??
Super interesting topic 👍
Great video!
Great video !
Cool attitude.
Isn’t it risky to rely on China to this extent? Ji is autocratic & lately micromanages technology companies’ fates.
You may criticize for their approach with Apple, but consider that China has allowed Apple but the US hasn’t allowed Huawei, despite how great it would be for consumers, under the supposedly “freest market” in the world.
I cannot really follow your observation. I'm living in a large Chinese city and yes, many people have flagships, but often several years old. And the phones are comparatively cheap here, the same (European) models are often more expensive in Europe.
Because people want to have status. End of story.
I agree with everything except for average selling price. If you see APAC region as well average. selling price is 246 $ Talking about two countries (India & China) I think the average selling price is mostly driven by most of the users bying midrange smartphones in 200 to 400$ range.
Wow. So much luxury in China in terms of phones.
I don't understand the need to spend so much on a phone when its life is merely 3-4 years. (Personally I've used a phone for longer, but still)
It's both dependent on needs of the customer and social standards
@Purple Spark ---- In urban China people have tended to do very well economically for the last 30 years. They also have been very successful savers of their money. They believe in purchasing high quality items with their saved resources.
By looking only at the initial price you're are misunderstanding the concept of value. Apple's most recent operating system supported iPhones that were 7 years old. For most of Android's history they have only been supporting phones for 2 years. Also for consumers that want to upgrade sooner, the iPhone retains its value much better than Android in a resale scenario.
I have been using my phone for work and so use apple. I used to have a flip before I started to need it for work; I thought that flips made me seem to be a hipster.
@Yamilt A. ----- While the Chinese household ratio of debt to income is very similar to the US, there are 2 very large mitigating factors that have them in far better shape:
1. A much higher percentage of Chinese debt is mortgage debt. The advantage is mortgage debt has a lower interest rate (4.5%) compared to the massive amount of credit card debt in the US which carries 18% to 21% interest rates.
2. Chinese households save 3.5 times more of their income than US households. It leaves them more able to easily service their debt.
Easy, it's called "bribing the government" 😅
What Chinese was made iPhone technology? But United States is a Apple is headquarters Cupertino.
Same happened with Tesla in China. If you follow their politic you will get decent favor.
Really cool thumbnail!