In the end Mahidevran was right about three things. 1. Süleyman punishing his remaining two children killing one and hating the other 2. Süleyman was at fault for all the thing happening in the harem when he had the power to stop everyone with a simple word from his mouth 3. Bayezid and Selim would fight each other for the ottoman throne
Love how she forgot about how she killed Mehmet. She is always the victim but doesn't think the other way around..As if Mehmet wasn't the same as Mustafa..I don't care what u all say but I don't feel bad for Mahidevran and never will.
I feel so bad for both of them, and they could have understood that they are both mothers, especially mahidevran, but they chose power instead. Poor mehmed,mustafa,cihangir, may they rest in peace Edit: i corrected punctuation mistake
No offence, but their actions were motivated by mother's love exactly. They both were in a situation, where you either kill another son of padişah or watch your sons and grandsons dying.
@Dreamfyre In the first case (when Mehmet wasn't born yet) - yes, it was jealousy. However, in the second case we must remember three things: - Mehmed has the same rights for a throne as Mustafa. - A shehzade, who arrives to Stambul first after the death of Sultan, will be a sultan. His unlucky brothers and nephews may be executed - it depends on a new padişah. - Manisa is not so far from Stambul, contrary to Amasya and other sanjacks. So, if Süleyman dies, Mehmet has the biggest chance to be his successor. Will he execute Mustafa? Only Allah knows. Mahidevran could either rely on Him or make sure that at least one possible threat is eliminated.
i kind of see both ways though when it comes to throne especially watching kosem series after this one if the sultan has different kids with different women which ever son inherits the throne has the right to kill every single eligible heir aka their brothers. so hurrem fought so that she doesn’t have to possibly live and see her kids hanged if mustafa inherited the throne
Hurrem or Mahidevran: who is evil? So. In the fandom there is always team Hurrem and a very few people who stands for Mahidevran.. lets analyze the situation in an objective point of view. Before the series, Mahi lived at Manisa and everyone loved her. Not the first woman who gave Suleiman a child, but she was generous, elegant and all... everything was perfect for her. Then Selim 1st died, her man became the sultan of a worldwide empire. She had to come to the capital and must felt very excited to move in a even more magnificent life, but she immediately saw that she was better at Manisa. First of all, Hafsa publicly scolded her for little Mustafa's sayings, and then Gulfem come to her and bragged about the Sultan having festivities in his room with many others women instead of spending time with her. Last but not least...THE woman appeared. I don't know if Suleiman touched other women than Mahi at Manisa, but the latter immediately felt that Alexandra would not be just a one night stand. Suleiman called her, but after what Valide heard by Daye's eavesdrop, she prevented it but Suleiman called Alex the next night and kept her with him for the famous Thursday night. Then she understood that she was not the number one in his heart anymore. Suleiman NEVER touched her after that, even in the few nights when he feign calling her, and it wasnt like she could move and build her life somewhere else with another man. So there she was, sentenced to see the only man who could ever touch her giving everything to another woman till death. Tragic story, yes. But there is still things that prevent me to feel bad for her. First of all: her cruelty. Yes, Hurrem was arrogant and rude towards her while she was still a childless concubine. But she hadnt done anything yet who deserve to be killed, and Mahidevran was still totally comfortable with almost beating her to death and poison her while she was PREGNANT. Her cowardice/hypocrisy is annoying too: whatever mistake she does, she ALWAYS run to Hafsa or Pargali's skirts, to complain or cover her. The most blatant example is when she cries in her room after Suleiman made her apologize to Hurrem, she lies to Mustafa about how it happened, then she ran to Hafsa because of her son reaction.. Also when Suleiman almost died and she was near from the Valide fonction. If so, then she would be rid of the man who neglected her along with Hurrem and her kids, it is understandable that she wasnt sad. But when he woke up, she pretended to be relieved and blamed Hurrem in front of the harem for Suleiman not letting her kiss his hand, even Hafsa saw her colours at this moment. And when Sultan made her the harem chief, she messed up with the harem expenses and the jewish merchant, got mad when the latter asked for her right, even Gulfem confronted her... Suleiman dismissed her and she ran to Ibrahim, begging again to cover her and his answer was soooo satisfying. There, none of her mistakes had something to do with Hurrem. Proof if any was needed that even outside of her rivalry with her, Mahidevran is just an incompetent and untrustworthy fool . Does that means I root for Hurrem? Not really either. One of her favourite sentences"I didn't start the hostilities" is...innacurate. When she came to the palace, she was just shouting and asking for death. Then Nigar advised her and told that since she cant leave, she could gain power. Then, Alex seized her chance. But Daye heard her telling Maria that she would make the Sultan her slave and left before hearing her saying it was a joke and reported it to Hafsa. But even she tried, Suleiman got what he wanted as the emperor he is and during the festivities, she saw Hurrem, a new favorite disrespect Mahidevran, a mother prince and it was unacceptable. Then her son ignored her will and she kept hearing bad things about Hurrem, of course she would try to get rid or such a woman. Even before her first pregnancy, Hurrem was acting as if she owned the world and was arrogant towards everyone. The Gulnihal affair was very heinous cuz yes the girl liked the idea of having gifts and all like Hurrem, and what was she supposed to do if she was called? Then Hurrem whispered to her ear like a witch... Then her concern towards Mustafa. Thats right: if he ascended the throne, maybe he said he would never kill his siblings (and never say never, especially for power games) but his supporters would, maybe even behind his back especially Mahi. During Cihangir ceremony, Hurrem said to Mahi "thankfully i don't have the dynasty blood on my hands" but that sounded kinda hypocritical since she already tried to kill Mustafa many times... But her stans says "she was a poor girl who lost everything" so was Maria, Esma, and all the harem girls, yet none of them are as problematic as Alexandra. "She genuinely loves Suleiman!" And? Is that supposed to excuse all her wrongdoings? And personally, I don't see suicide for love as a honorable thing at all. Seriously, how can so many people not see what a terrible person she is? Just because of main character syndrome? If the show was on Mahidevran's point of view, many persons would see the truth. At the end of her life in the show, she was portrayed as an angel but her confrontation with Nurbanu is interesting cuz the latter had a point: Cécilia is exactly what Alexandra would have been if she met Suleiman as a prince with rival brothers.
I agree. Everyone justifies all Hurrem's evil action as "To survive." But all Mahi's "Evil and power hungry." They were in the exact same situation, they wanted to protect their sons and definitely both of them also wanted power, who wouldn't? People justify Hurrem's evilness because "She was enslaved and her family killed." Forgetting that the exact same thing happened to Mahidevran and all the other Haseki's and girls in the Harem and they didn't start hurting people and causing chaos straightaway "To survive." I'll say it again, they were both in the exact same situation and mission, they wanted to protect their sons and be in power rather than be under the power of their enemies. It upset Mahidevran about Suleiman taking other women, but she was able to accept it (only until Suleiman acted like she didn't exist) whereas Hurrem had a Concubine killed just because she possibly spent the night with Suleiman and another killed before she even got to Suleiman's door. People use the "To survive excuse" but like Mahi, because Hurrem had Princes nothing would have happened to her, she would be safe and stay a respected member of the Harem. Everyone mentions Mahi trying to kill Hurrem when she was pregnant but of course we all know Hurrem never tried to do that? Everyone hates Mahi for killing Mehmet, calling it "Evil and power hungry." But Hurrem's uncountable attempts on Mustafa was again "To survive." Mahi obviously killed Mehmet for Mustafa's sake but the first time Hurrem tried to kill Mustafa he was a child and it was because she had been humiliated Infront of him.
I totally agree with u. Ppl really need to understand both women had blood on their hands. But ppl shouting to mahi for doing the sm things from the prespective that she loves the sultan and then supporting character Hurrem for the sm or worse doings is just so hypocrite!!! Both had no choice still Mahi was less dramatic, low-key and she hardly took big steps mostly she only cried or asked for help. But Hurrem had killed so many lives on the series, she was extremely ruthless, selfish and manipulative. Ppl really need to understand being a mastero in manipulation is not a proud thing. Hurrem in real or reel she did lived a magnificent life but not a good life. She had to endure much more insulation, suffocation, guilts and lastly regretfully knowing her karma of killing Mustafa was to see one of her prince killing another ( she also had to witness Chihangir's death). No one could escape the karma so y support one and shout to another for the sm things they did??
@Dreamfyre2 Preach I've watched this show many time and have tried to see it through her eyes felt a lil bad for her at first then watching through NOPE but she asked for it she wanted the fight and kept it going everyone acting like Hurrem wanted to be beaten thrown in a cell and poisoned then Mehmet was murdered by Mahi and that slips by everyone both wanted power but if mahi had it w Mustafa Hurrem and her kid would have died and I don't think Hurrem would have made mahi suffer the same way sorry scene after scene you watch mahi bash and bully Hurrem yet mahis an angel FOH you also see Hurrem warning mahi that this type of behavior would hurt mustafa
Both tried to survive and kept blaming each other but eventually one had to win.Neither hurrem nor Mahi are some innocent babies here.They very well knew what they did.Blame game is just to make themselves feel better above the other.Only pity is Mahi had only one son while hurrem had four.Mahidevran started and Hurrem finished the Game and won.
No. Mahi won She lived until 81 and saw the deaths of Hurrem, Suleyman and ALL their children. Suleyman also killed Hurrem's son Bayezid after he fought for power against his brother Selim. Cihangir died the following month after Mustafa. And Selim, the only surviving son who became sultan, was kind to Mahi at the end. In real life Mahi won.
@@imazination28 out living to see others death is winning ?Her purpose in life was reduced to nothing when suleiman abandoned her and then her son and Grandson were mercilessly murdered.She never took the responsibility or accountability for her sins.I feel bad for her as a woman but end of the day it was pure game of thrones.She eats her enemies or she will be eaten.Again her arch nemesis hurrem’s son only took pity on her and restored her wealth.He could have been ruthless and not bothered about her.Well can't say the same if Mustapha ascended the throne.Both the sultanas had to do what was best for their the kids.Either kill Or get killed.The system was such.
@@Taashu85 after Mustafa died Mahi swore to God Hurrem's children will eventually suffer the same fate or even worse. So God gave her long life to witness this happen. In real life Mahi didn't kill any of Harrem's son. But historians agreed that Harrem manipulated Suleyman into believing Mustafa wanted to dethrone him, which is not true. Cihangir died a month after Mustafa was killed is God's response to Hurrem. Beyazid and her 4 sons were killed by Suleyman's order too. Hurrem would never think Suleyman will kill her son because she was his favourite all the time.
@@Taashu85In turkey and in history people might've liked Hurrem for being the empress from a slave and gaining power as a woman. But there are lots of controversies about her too. Which make people hate her till now. She was actually manipulative, possessive and wanted power irl. While Mahidevran had nothing to do with Mehmet's death plus she was known as a generous and kind hearted woman. In the series they showed Mahidevran as a parasite, coward and weak woman. Irl she was a brave and fair woman too. She raised Mustafa to be worthy for the throne and made him a kind and just prince. She did a lot of charities and devotedly spent her entire life to protect and raise Mustafa. When Mustafa died she freed all her slaves and gave up all her properties and wanted to live as a normal woman. But her slaves wanted to stay with her till the end and never wanted anything in return. Irl Mahidevran has no hater, Hurrem has. Hurrem's 3 sons died and one became sultan who wasn't even loved by people. The empire weakened because of her. So technically Mahidevran won. In all way.
Mahidevran had just forgotten she was the one who killed Mehmet first when Hurrem was kidnapped by Hatice. Now she knows exactly the same pain Hurrem feels yet she still thinks that she is a victim but all that we know is she is the victim for her own doing. Feel sorry for her. (Comment based on the series only. Real life no doubt, it may not be the same) 😊
Mehmet died of small pox, historically no evidence in killing him but yes Mustafa it's documented that rustem Pasha and hurrem conspired against him. Hurrem was a witch and deadly female.
well, before mahidevran killed mehmet, hurrem had tried multple times to kill mustafa, like, only that she failed in all her attempts and mahidevran didn't. none of them are innocent because they both tried and killed each others sons.
All of this happened because Suleiman did not banish Mahridevran in the beginning. After she poisoned Hürrem when she was pregnant she should’ve been banished and Mustafa should’ve been raised by Hürrem. This happened when there are no consequences for your actions. Mahridevran was not just responsible for Mehmets death but also Mustafa. She planted the seed now she’s harvesting it.
Before this hurrem tried to poison Mustafa many times. She never saw him as her son, never loved him. Even if Mustafa would have been raised by her, her sons would still be unsafe.
@@ojasvashishtha4453 did you skip the early episodes?? Or did you even watch what Mahridevran did on Mustafas behalf? If you did you wouldn’t say that at all…
If Mahi had kept out of Taslicali and Mehrima's relationship and they eventually married, she wouldnt have been with Rustem and wouldn't have stolen the seal. Mahi caused a lot of her own problems
Please remember this is not the way the history between them went. This entire story is completely fictional. This was written like the Real Psychotic Housewives of the Ottoman Empire.
Mahidevran Sultan lost 3 children by history and all were lost because of Hürrem. She slandered and it affected. In the end, Sultan Selim gave back title "Sultan" and paid money to Mahidevran cause he felt bad about Mustafa's death as he loved Mustafa
Mahideveran didn't even had 3 kids.Though i agree she didn't kill mehmet neither there is any proof that hurrem was involved in mustafa's murder in real history.nealry 60 percent of magnificent century is fiction.@@MrA1R1S
Well whatever is shown in the last season, everything related to Mustafa's death , the main events. Most of those were true. But in the first 3 seasons most of the things shown in the series were false.
Everyone has their own karma. Mahidevran got karma, her son died after she killed Mehmet. And Hurrem finally gets karma for killing Mustafa. The curse given by Mahidevran really happened in the end. However, because Hurrem was actually not completely at fault (she did it for revenge). Thankfully, Hurrem died before Mahidevran's curse occurred. So Hurrem won't be too sad to see her two children fight and kill each other. I can't imagine how hurt Hurrem would be if she saw a fight between her children Poor Mahidevran, poor Hurrem.
Hurrem has more kill count than mahidevran. So that counts too. That's why mahidevran didn't end up in poverty for a long time. . Her son's shrine was built up to the reputation and Selim allowed her monthly pension. Mahidevran died peacefully, doing charities and involved in spiritual activities. Hurrem died due to a deadly disease most probably skin cancer(which was a huge thing at that time).
Did hurrem give any blessings to those ladies who were Sultan favourites. She killed them, vanished them , tortured them in every possible way then how could she expect that mahi will give blessings to the one who took everything from her. Hurrem was just a witch...... Hurrem received all her punishment...
What happened to Mahidebran is due to her own evil ways. Being selfish, greedy to have power, she's the first murderer bec she's the reason of Mehmet death. Now you will also suffer the death of your dear Mustafa. If only you behave well, and didn't do nasty things. I'm sure you will enjoy, peaceful, happy and regal life. Being envious person poisons you Mahidevran. So suffer for it.
It's crazy how once Hurrem said to Mahi that she'll lose everyone besides her then and now mahi cursing that her own sons would kill each other and Suleiman wouldn't spare them. Like both times their words came true. But Hurrem called her own destruction, she was responsible for her sons death everytime. If only she didn't tried to kill teenage Mustafa as soon as he comes and everytime she's threatening Mahi that she'll use Mehmed for Mustafa and Suleiman's conflict Mahi wouldn't count Mehmed as a competition as Mustafa was always everyone's favorite, smart, superior so she wouldn't be insecured before but only when Hurrem dug her own son grave starting this dirty politics. Then she loses Chihangir who died bcz he lost his brother Mustafa whom Hurrem killed. Then again she dies knowing Selim will kill Beyazid. Every death of her sons were her own karma. Everything was so perfect before she came. Ottoman empire would be so enriched with Mustafa's era. She's a epic ruiner for everything. She destroyed everyone for her own benefits then again karma she couldn't lived enough to be a Valide, she could never ever live her dreams.
This show is so clear why you should have only one wife 😂, so many cats in confined spaces only end in constant fighting. But I hate subtitles films and came across this show and I’m hooked ❤️
This is the second t8me that Mahidevran attacked Hurrem (both times after losing a child, and Hurrem, a head talker and always weightier, was unable to defend herself.
I hate all of those that write such comments, Mahidevran Sultan have more suffer since Hurrem Sultan arrive at palace, Mahidevran wanted that goods for her son Mustafa and will searched to be loved by Suleyman. Mahidevran is the great victim of Hurrem's games, Mahidevran wanted be recognised too as Haseki Sultan but Hurrem blinded the mind of Suleyman for make him forgot definitively Mahidevran and her true position as the 1st mother of shezade. I love Mahidevran and Suleyman's sisters more that Hurrem, all of those who are eliminated from Hurrem's games prevent Suleyman many Times that Hurrem will go to become their pain until their last day ( Mahidevran, Hatice, Mustafa, Ibrahim, Hafsa, Shah, Fatma and Gulfem ) and finally Sultan Suleyman never listened all of them. They have all bet their hope in Mustafa for to become a better and fair Sultan for the Empire, they have right about Hurrem, since she arrive, she changed the game rule and turned the rule at her advantage to the detriment of other members of the royal family. Finally same two of Hurrem's sons suffer of game of their mother. Cihangir suicide himself after the loose of his great pillar his brother Mustafa, Mihrimah loose her last pivot of power in person of her brother Bayezid. And i go further in my reasoning, Huricihan the Hatice's daughter, Mihrunisa the Bayezid's wife, all of Mustafa's sons are dead and are victims of Hurrem's game. Hurrem is not the good Sultan. She is the Sultan who destroyed a great part of Ottoman Dynasty.
but was she? before Hurrem, Mahidevran was the "Hurrem" of the Sultan. Suleyman had Gulfem and had 2 (??) children with her who later died. Mahidevran unsurped Gulfem who was never bitter about it. Hurrem was much smarter who knew how to keep her position.
Oh brother!!! First off, Mahidevran wasn't even the first concubine to give Suleiman a prince. Secondly she was never a haseki, that title was specifically created for Hurrem. Mahidevran wasn't even labeled a Sultana. You sound very odd and uniformed
But she wasn't that evil as much as hurrem was .. the way she played evil games and manipulated sultan's mind ... well the all women were sick after a man who couldn't make right decision and get manipulated even he killed his friend and son's.. whta a pitty what a shame.... if compred to mahidevran and hurrem ... hurrem was more evil and clever @@mariapapadopoulos3640
How would you act if you've been kidnapped,family killed and sent to an unknown place as a slave. Hurrem was a teen when she was brought there,so she acted like one. She hated where she was. When Niger gave her advice,she used it. Mahid started with Hurrem first,she couldn't handle being replaced and Valida tooked Mahid side and believed her lies. Hurrem was in no way innocent nor is Mahid. Blame the rules of that time.(only speaking from the show stand point)
I don't know how can a father kill his own child I dont know i try but i can never justify this action where the guilty is not even given a chance to justify himself And my friends in real history mehmet's death was natural disease But mustafa......was killed by hurrem and king😢
Lemme get this: she killed Mehmet, always manipulated her own son to be a fraticide WHEN be becomes a Sultan - wich she was wrong, it's not a matter of WHEN, but IF and Mustafa lost his chance way before his death. Let's not forget how she did beat Hurrem to the point Hurrem's face got almost destroyed and poisoned her when she was PREGNANT with Mehmet. And she celebrated when Hurrem gave birth to Mihrimah because a woman supposely has no power in Ottoman Dinasty. But Hurrem AND Mihrimah proved her so, so wrong. Talking ONLY about the series, yeah, no. Zero sorry for Mahidevran.
Girl it’s your own damn fault. Killing Mehmet, gassing Mustafa’s head up with hubris to the point of pure disobedience…. Your misery is your own doing, and you should have known the day the mirror broke that you were gonna pay for the sin of murdering a dynasty member. And Hurrem…. As much as I am on your side, you KNOW the cost of power. You knew that you couldn’t protect them all unfortunately. Çihangir’s death is unfortunate, but you knew the love he had for his brother…. You had to have known this was a possibility in this game.
Mahidevran killed Mehmet because she thought Mehmet was going to be the next in line for the throne which he wasn't unless Mustaf died jealously and greed that was Mahidevrans problem
Suleiman character is characterless she had a queeen Mahidevran who was the mother of his son but after all these he found beauty in hurrem and also he choose an unskilled Sultan Selim .furthermore without any judge he killed Mustafa and also in the show we see sultan touch many other girls but he said he love hurrem and i understoos he was a characterless king.
You reap what you sow Mahi.. You indirectly killed Mehmet. No qith your own hands but by your order. You do not deserve sympathy. Hurrem beat you because she had more than one.
It's not true , some Muslim rulers were kind too like Ahmed l or Selim lll but Aurangzeb 's act of fratricide and the fratricide inflicted by the Sultans of Ottoman Empire upon their brothers were very different . The Ottoman Empire never had any line of succession to the throne , meaning that every prince no matter the birth order , was an equal heir to the Ottoman throne and the similar right to succeed was applicable to his other brothers as well , this rule was present so that the most competent prince gets choosen by the rulling Sultan as his heir apparent to succeed the throne and after the reign of Sultan Orhan l this unspoken tradition caused several succession wars within the Ottoman Empire and in few instances , the Sultan had to even go to as far as ordering the execution of his rebellious brother who had threatened the authority of the current Sultan and the stability of the Ottoman estate , an example of such an Ottoman Sultan is Murad ll who even though didn't executed all of his brothers but had to order the execution of his rebellious brother Prince Mustafa because he literally tried to rebel against him when he was outside of the Empire during his military campaign against Constantinople . In 1451, Sultan Mehmed II who was the son of Murad ll ascended the Ottoman throne as the only eligible heir alive , apart from Mehmed the only other son of Murad II which was alive was the newborn Prince Ahmed , a infant ageing only 9 months . Mehmed had actually ascended the throne for the second time because he was already made Sultan when he was 12 because his father haf abdicated his throne to the young boy due to depression caused by the death of his favourite son and heir apparent Prince Abdullah / Abdul Ali but later , due to the conspiracies of some ministers who the doubted the ability of the young Sultan , Murad II was convinced that Mehmed isn't at the capable age of handling the empire , the ministers made him reclaim the Ottoman throne and Mehmed had to abdicate his throne in his 1st term as the Sultan due to that he didn't wanted to take any risk of potential threat to his regin in future , so, he secretly ordered the execution of his stepbrother Prince Ahmed and had him strangled on the day he ascended the throne . He later legitimatised the act by enacting the "Mehmed 's law" also known as the infamous fratricide law of Ottoman Empire which till the mid-seventeenth century , allowed the Sultans to execute their brothers for the order of the world , for the sovereignty of the Ottoman state and the stability of the empire , unfortunately this law was further extended by the next Sultans to even allow the execution of any male heir who was a potential threat to any coup d'etat in future but the Ottoman Sultans literally became soo paranoid that they killed their every living brother and even eliminated their whole bloodline to ensure that their regin wouldn't be threatened and they were subtly manipulated and indirectly encouraged to do so . On the other hand , Mughal Empire always had a succession line very similar to many other empires that the eldest son would ascend the throne and succeed his father but when the health of Sultan Shah Jahan deteriorated and he was rumoured to be in his death bed , Prince Dara Shikoh who was his eldest son and heir apparent marched from his provience with his army to claim his throne , his younger brother Prince Muhhudd 'in , swore alliance with his other brother Prince Murad and convinced the latter to help him defeat his brother and succeed the Mughal throne and in return to this favour he would make him the most influential person in the empire during his regin . Prince Muhhudd 'in along with his brother Prince Murad fought the succession war with their elder brother Prince Dara Shikoh and unfortunately defeated him , surprisingly during this period the health of Sultan Shah Jahan slightly improved so he didn't remained on his bed and claimed himself fully capable of rulling , Prince Muhhudd 'in who had now already rebelled against his brother and had even won the battle was in such a dilemma that he couldn't back down now otherwise , in the offense of rebelling against the heir choosen by the Padisha and disrespecting his will , he would have been charged with severe punishment and the life of his male children too would be threatened because one day Prince Dara Shikoh would have ascended the throne and could have possibly executed the former 's sons and grandsons in order to ensure the stability of his regin . So , he decided to rebel against his father and eventually even won against him and prisoned him afterwhich he executed all of his brothers and nephews including Prince Murad , out of all of these executions , the execution of Prince Dara Shikoh was the most brutal because he was beheaded and his head was ordered to be sent to their father in a plate while decorated with pearls , his body was marched in the capital by tying it with a donkey , he even treated his father very poorly in prison . After ascending to the throne he claimed the name of Alamgir Aurangzeb , which was apparently his regnal name and Aurangzeb 's fratricide was much more wicked and severe than the fratricide of Ottoman Sultans .
It's not true , some Muslim rulers were kind too like Ahmed l or Selim lll but Aurangzeb 's act of fratricide and the fratricide inflicted by the Sultans of Ottoman Empire upon their brothers were very different . The Ottoman Empire never had any line of succession to the throne , meaning that every prince no matter the birth order , was an equal heir to the Ottoman throne and the similar right to succeed was applicable to his other brothers as well , this rule was present so that the most competent prince gets choosen by the rulling Sultan as his heir apparent to succeed the throne and after the reign of Sultan Orhan l this unspoken tradition caused several succession wars within the Ottoman Empire and in few instances , the Sultan had to even go to as far as ordering the execution of his rebellious brother who had threatened the authority of the current Sultan and the stability of the Ottoman estate , an example of such an Ottoman Sultan is Murad ll who even though didn't executed all of his brothers but had to order the execution of his rebellious brother Prince Mustafa because he literally tried to rebel against him when he was outside of the Empire during his military campaign against Constantinople . In 1451, Sultan Mehmed II who was the son of Murad ll ascended the Ottoman throne as the only eligible heir alive , apart from Mehmed the only other son of Murad II which was alive was the newborn Prince Ahmed , a infant ageing only 9 months . Mehmed had actually ascended the throne for the second time because he was already made Sultan when he was 12 because his father haf abdicated his throne to the young boy due to depression caused by the death of his favourite son and heir apparent Prince Abdullah / Abdul Ali but later , due to the conspiracies of some ministers who the doubted the ability of the young Sultan , Murad II was convinced that Mehmed isn't at the capable age of handling the empire , the ministers made him reclaim the Ottoman throne and Mehmed had to abdicate his throne in his 1st term as the Sultan due to that he didn't wanted to take any risk of potential threat to his regin in future , so, he secretly ordered the execution of his stepbrother Prince Ahmed and had him strangled on the day he ascended the throne . He later legitimatised the act by enacting the "Mehmed 's law" also known as the infamous fratricide law of Ottoman Empire which till the mid-seventeenth century , allowed the Sultans to execute their brothers for the order of the world , for the sovereignty of the Ottoman state and the stability of the empire , unfortunately this law was further extended by the next Sultans to even allow the execution of any male heir who was a potential threat to any coup d'etat in future but the Ottoman Sultans literally became soo paranoid that they killed their every living brother and even eliminated their whole bloodline to ensure that their regin wouldn't be threatened and they were subtly manipulated and indirectly encouraged to do so . On the other hand , Mughal Empire always had a succession line very similar to many other empires that the eldest son would ascend the throne and succeed his father but when the health of Sultan Shah Jahan deteriorated and he was rumoured to be in his death bed , Prince Dara Shikoh who was his eldest son and heir apparent marched from his provience with his army to claim his throne , his younger brother Prince Muhhudd 'in , swore alliance with his other brother Prince Murad and convinced the latter to help him defeat his brother and succeed the Mughal throne and in return to this favour he would make him the most influential person in the empire during his regin . Prince Muhhudd 'in along with his brother Prince Murad fought the succession war with their elder brother Prince Dara Shikoh and unfortunately defeated him , surprisingly during this period the health of Sultan Shah Jahan slightly improved so he didn't remained on his bed and claimed himself fully capable of rulling , Prince Muhhudd 'in who had now already rebelled against his brother and had even won the battle was in such a dilemma that he couldn't back down now otherwise , in the offense of rebelling against the heir choosen by the Padisha and disrespecting his will , he would have been charged with severe punishment and the life of his male children too would be threatened because one day Prince Dara Shikoh would have ascended the throne and could have possibly executed the former 's sons and grandsons in order to ensure the stability of his regin . So , he decided to rebel against his father and eventually even won against him and prisoned him afterwhich he executed all of his brothers and nephews including Prince Murad , out of all of these executions , the execution of Prince Dara Shikoh was the most brutal because he was beheaded and his head was ordered to be sent to their father in a plate while decorated with pearls , his body was marched in the capital by tying it with a donkey , he even treated his father very poorly in prison . After ascending to the throne he claimed the name of Alamgir Aurangzeb , which was apparently his regnal name and Aurangzeb 's fratricide was much more wicked and severe than the fratricide of Ottoman Sultans .
Tell me, bud: if you had just lost your only child and you had the person who has spent his/her entire life discrediting and harming it, would you have left him/her casually walk past you? I don't think so
Then again, I guess it's pointless to talk to you with terms of objectivity, given that in your eyes whoever is not Hurrem's minion shouldn't have a right to even look at her or breathe the same air as her 🙄🙄🙄
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ well I wouldn't be there knowing that she is there too! Why did she go there at first place nobody called her they shouldnt even let her in.
@@ΔημΣΚ that still doesn't mean that she's not a grieving mother who has the person who slandered her son in front of her. And don't try to convince me that Hurrem never once said anything to try and make Suleiman see Mustafa as a threat
In the end Mahidevran was right about three things.
1. Süleyman punishing his remaining two children killing one and hating the other
2. Süleyman was at fault for all the thing happening in the harem when he had the power to stop everyone with a simple word from his mouth
3. Bayezid and Selim would fight each other for the ottoman throne
Love how she forgot about how she killed Mehmet. She is always the victim but doesn't think the other way around..As if Mehmet wasn't the same as Mustafa..I don't care what u all say but I don't feel bad for Mahidevran and never will.
I know righttttt.... I always think about this. I guess the selfishness has blinded her conscience, if there's any.
I feel the same way! Mahidevil.
I have to agree. Karma has come to bite her
They always forget how Hurrem was treated in the beginning by everyone
EXACTLY!!!!!
I feel so bad for both of them, and they could have understood that they are both mothers, especially mahidevran, but they chose power instead. Poor mehmed,mustafa,cihangir, may they rest in peace
Edit: i corrected punctuation mistake
❤g lo 6a call
No offence, but their actions were motivated by mother's love exactly. They both were in a situation, where you either kill another son of padişah or watch your sons and grandsons dying.
@Dreamfyre In the first case (when Mehmet wasn't born yet) - yes, it was jealousy. However, in the second case we must remember three things:
- Mehmed has the same rights for a throne as Mustafa.
- A shehzade, who arrives to Stambul first after the death of Sultan, will be a sultan. His unlucky brothers and nephews may be executed - it depends on a new padişah.
- Manisa is not so far from Stambul, contrary to Amasya and other sanjacks.
So, if Süleyman dies, Mehmet has the biggest chance to be his successor. Will he execute Mustafa? Only Allah knows. Mahidevran could either rely on Him or make sure that at least one possible threat is eliminated.
Im pretty sure the show made ottoman life mor dramatic than it actually was.
i kind of see both ways though when it comes to throne especially watching kosem series after this one if the sultan has different kids with different women which ever son inherits the throne has the right to kill every single eligible heir aka their brothers. so hurrem fought so that she doesn’t have to possibly live and see her kids hanged if mustafa inherited the throne
Hurrem or Mahidevran: who is evil?
So. In the fandom there is always team Hurrem and a very few people who stands for Mahidevran.. lets analyze the situation in an objective point of view.
Before the series, Mahi lived at Manisa and everyone loved her. Not the first woman who gave Suleiman a child, but she was generous, elegant and all... everything was perfect for her.
Then Selim 1st died, her man became the sultan of a worldwide empire. She had to come to the capital and must felt very excited to move in a even more magnificent life, but she immediately saw that she was better at Manisa.
First of all, Hafsa publicly scolded her for little Mustafa's sayings, and then Gulfem come to her and bragged about the Sultan having festivities in his room with many others women instead of spending time with her.
Last but not least...THE woman appeared.
I don't know if Suleiman touched other women than Mahi at Manisa, but the latter immediately felt that Alexandra would not be just a one night stand. Suleiman called her, but after what Valide heard by Daye's eavesdrop, she prevented it but Suleiman called Alex the next night and kept her with him for the famous Thursday night. Then she understood that she was not the number one in his heart anymore.
Suleiman NEVER touched her after that, even in the few nights when he feign calling her, and it wasnt like she could move and build her life somewhere else with another man. So there she was, sentenced to see the only man who could ever touch her giving everything to another woman till death.
Tragic story, yes. But there is still things that prevent me to feel bad for her.
First of all: her cruelty. Yes, Hurrem was arrogant and rude towards her while she was still a childless concubine. But she hadnt done anything yet who deserve to be killed, and Mahidevran was still totally comfortable with almost beating her to death and poison her while she was PREGNANT.
Her cowardice/hypocrisy is annoying too: whatever mistake she does, she ALWAYS run to Hafsa or Pargali's skirts, to complain or cover her. The most blatant example is when she cries in her room after Suleiman made her apologize to Hurrem, she lies to Mustafa about how it happened, then she ran to Hafsa because of her son reaction..
Also when Suleiman almost died and she was near from the Valide fonction. If so, then she would be rid of the man who neglected her along with Hurrem and her kids, it is understandable that she wasnt sad. But when he woke up, she pretended to be relieved and blamed Hurrem in front of the harem for Suleiman not letting her kiss his hand, even Hafsa saw her colours at this moment.
And when Sultan made her the harem chief, she messed up with the harem expenses and the jewish merchant, got mad when the latter asked for her right, even Gulfem confronted her... Suleiman dismissed her and she ran to Ibrahim, begging again to cover her and his answer was soooo satisfying.
There, none of her mistakes had something to do with Hurrem. Proof if any was needed that even outside of her rivalry with her, Mahidevran is just an incompetent and untrustworthy fool .
Does that means I root for Hurrem? Not really either.
One of her favourite sentences"I didn't start the hostilities" is...innacurate.
When she came to the palace, she was just shouting and asking for death. Then Nigar advised her and told that since she cant leave, she could gain power. Then, Alex seized her chance.
But Daye heard her telling Maria that she would make the Sultan her slave and left before hearing her saying it was a joke and reported it to Hafsa. But even she tried, Suleiman got what he wanted as the emperor he is and during the festivities, she saw Hurrem, a new favorite disrespect Mahidevran, a mother prince and it was unacceptable. Then her son ignored her will and she kept hearing bad things about Hurrem, of course she would try to get rid or such a woman.
Even before her first pregnancy, Hurrem was acting as if she owned the world and was arrogant towards everyone. The Gulnihal affair was very heinous cuz yes the girl liked the idea of having gifts and all like Hurrem, and what was she supposed to do if she was called? Then Hurrem whispered to her ear like a witch...
Then her concern towards Mustafa. Thats right: if he ascended the throne, maybe he said he would never kill his siblings (and never say never, especially for power games) but his supporters would, maybe even behind his back especially Mahi.
During Cihangir ceremony, Hurrem said to Mahi "thankfully i don't have the dynasty blood on my hands" but that sounded kinda hypocritical since she already tried to kill Mustafa many times...
But her stans says "she was a poor girl who lost everything" so was Maria, Esma, and all the harem girls, yet none of them are as problematic as Alexandra. "She genuinely loves Suleiman!" And? Is that supposed to excuse all her wrongdoings? And personally, I don't see suicide for love as a honorable thing at all.
Seriously, how can so many people not see what a terrible person she is? Just because of main character syndrome? If the show was on Mahidevran's point of view, many persons would see the truth.
At the end of her life in the show, she was portrayed as an angel but her confrontation with Nurbanu is interesting cuz the latter had a point: Cécilia is exactly what Alexandra would have been if she met Suleiman as a prince with rival brothers.
I agree. Everyone justifies all Hurrem's evil action as "To survive." But all Mahi's "Evil and power hungry." They were in the exact same situation, they wanted to protect their sons and definitely both of them also wanted power, who wouldn't? People justify Hurrem's evilness because "She was enslaved and her family killed." Forgetting that the exact same thing happened to Mahidevran and all the other Haseki's and girls in the Harem and they didn't start hurting people and causing chaos straightaway "To survive." I'll say it again, they were both in the exact same situation and mission, they wanted to protect their sons and be in power rather than be under the power of their enemies. It upset Mahidevran about Suleiman taking other women, but she was able to accept it (only until Suleiman acted like she didn't exist) whereas Hurrem had a Concubine killed just because she possibly spent the night with Suleiman and another killed before she even got to Suleiman's door. People use the "To survive excuse" but like Mahi, because Hurrem had Princes nothing would have happened to her, she would be safe and stay a respected member of the Harem. Everyone mentions Mahi trying to kill Hurrem when she was pregnant but of course we all know Hurrem never tried to do that? Everyone hates Mahi for killing Mehmet, calling it "Evil and power hungry." But Hurrem's uncountable attempts on Mustafa was again "To survive." Mahi obviously killed Mehmet for Mustafa's sake but the first time Hurrem tried to kill Mustafa he was a child and it was because she had been humiliated Infront of him.
I totally agree with u. Ppl really need to understand both women had blood on their hands. But ppl shouting to mahi for doing the sm things from the prespective that she loves the sultan and then supporting character Hurrem for the sm or worse doings is just so hypocrite!!! Both had no choice still Mahi was less dramatic, low-key and she hardly took big steps mostly she only cried or asked for help. But Hurrem had killed so many lives on the series, she was extremely ruthless, selfish and manipulative. Ppl really need to understand being a mastero in manipulation is not a proud thing. Hurrem in real or reel she did lived a magnificent life but not a good life. She had to endure much more insulation, suffocation, guilts and lastly regretfully knowing her karma of killing Mustafa was to see one of her prince killing another ( she also had to witness Chihangir's death). No one could escape the karma so y support one and shout to another for the sm things they did??
They were both very similar. They both would do anything to protect their children.
@Dreamfyre2 Preach I've watched this show many time and have tried to see it through her eyes felt a lil bad for her at first then watching through NOPE but she asked for it she wanted the fight and kept it going everyone acting like Hurrem wanted to be beaten thrown in a cell and poisoned then Mehmet was murdered by Mahi and that slips by everyone both wanted power but if mahi had it w Mustafa Hurrem and her kid would have died and I don't think Hurrem would have made mahi suffer the same way sorry scene after scene you watch mahi bash and bully Hurrem yet mahis an angel FOH you also see Hurrem warning mahi that this type of behavior would hurt mustafa
@Dreamfyre2 she was a total bully and treated everyone esp hurrem like dirt under feet idk how people watch this and feel sorry for mahi
Both tried to survive and kept blaming each other but eventually one had to win.Neither hurrem nor Mahi are some innocent babies here.They very well knew what they did.Blame game is just to make themselves feel better above the other.Only pity is Mahi had only one son while hurrem had four.Mahidevran started and Hurrem finished the Game and won.
No. Mahi won
She lived until 81 and saw the deaths of Hurrem, Suleyman and ALL their children. Suleyman also killed Hurrem's son Bayezid after he fought for power against his brother Selim.
Cihangir died the following month after Mustafa.
And Selim, the only surviving son who became sultan, was kind to Mahi at the end.
In real life Mahi won.
@@imazination28 out living to see others death is winning ?Her purpose in life was reduced to nothing when suleiman abandoned her and then her son and Grandson were mercilessly murdered.She never took the responsibility or accountability for her sins.I feel bad for her as a woman but end of the day it was pure game of thrones.She eats her enemies or she will be eaten.Again her arch nemesis hurrem’s son only
took pity on her and restored her wealth.He could have been ruthless and not bothered about her.Well can't say the same if Mustapha ascended the throne.Both the sultanas had to do what was best for their the kids.Either kill
Or get killed.The system was such.
@@Taashu85 after Mustafa died Mahi swore to God Hurrem's children will eventually suffer the same fate or even worse. So God gave her long life to witness this happen. In real life Mahi didn't kill any of Harrem's son. But historians agreed that Harrem manipulated Suleyman into believing Mustafa wanted to dethrone him, which is not true. Cihangir died a month after Mustafa was killed is God's response to Hurrem. Beyazid and her 4 sons were killed by Suleyman's order too. Hurrem would never think Suleyman will kill her son because she was his favourite all the time.
@@Taashu85In turkey and in history people might've liked Hurrem for being the empress from a slave and gaining power as a woman. But there are lots of controversies about her too. Which make people hate her till now. She was actually manipulative, possessive and wanted power irl. While Mahidevran had nothing to do with Mehmet's death plus she was known as a generous and kind hearted woman. In the series they showed Mahidevran as a parasite, coward and weak woman. Irl she was a brave and fair woman too. She raised Mustafa to be worthy for the throne and made him a kind and just prince. She did a lot of charities and devotedly spent her entire life to protect and raise Mustafa. When Mustafa died she freed all her slaves and gave up all her properties and wanted to live as a normal woman. But her slaves wanted to stay with her till the end and never wanted anything in return. Irl Mahidevran has no hater, Hurrem has. Hurrem's 3 sons died and one became sultan who wasn't even loved by people. The empire weakened because of her. So technically Mahidevran won. In all way.
Excellent analysis. I agree with your opinion about two rival women Mahidevran and Hurrem. Both of them are evil persons.
Mahidevran had just forgotten she was the one who killed Mehmet first when Hurrem was kidnapped by Hatice. Now she knows exactly the same pain Hurrem feels yet she still thinks that she is a victim but all that we know is she is the victim for her own doing. Feel sorry for her. (Comment based on the series only. Real life no doubt, it may not be the same) 😊
Так в сериале а в истории она его не убивала
Not in real life
No, Mahidiveran didn't do any conspiracy against killing of Mehmet.
Mehmet died of small pox, historically no evidence in killing him but yes Mustafa it's documented that rustem Pasha and hurrem conspired against him. Hurrem was a witch and deadly female.
well, before mahidevran killed mehmet, hurrem had tried multple times to kill mustafa, like, only that she failed in all her attempts and mahidevran didn't. none of them are innocent because they both tried and killed each others sons.
All of this happened because Suleiman did not banish Mahridevran in the beginning. After she poisoned Hürrem when she was pregnant she should’ve been banished and Mustafa should’ve been raised by Hürrem. This happened when there are no consequences for your actions.
Mahridevran was not just responsible for Mehmets death but also Mustafa. She planted the seed now she’s harvesting it.
Before this hurrem tried to poison Mustafa many times. She never saw him as her son, never loved him. Even if Mustafa would have been raised by her, her sons would still be unsafe.
@@ojasvashishtha4453 did you skip the early episodes?? Or did you even watch what Mahridevran did on Mustafas behalf? If you did you wouldn’t say that at all…
Love these videos. Could watch them all day, but sadly, I have to go to work.
If Mahi had kept out of Taslicali and Mehrima's relationship and they eventually married, she wouldnt have been with Rustem and wouldn't have stolen the seal. Mahi caused a lot of her own problems
i agree
That is some insane foresight that not even mahidevran had, also Hurrem wouldn’t have allowed this marriage
Please remember this is not the way the history between them went. This entire story is completely fictional. This was written like the Real Psychotic Housewives of the Ottoman Empire.
Mahidevran Sultan lost 3 children by history and all were lost because of Hürrem. She slandered and it affected. In the end, Sultan Selim gave back title "Sultan" and paid money to Mahidevran cause he felt bad about Mustafa's death as he loved Mustafa
Mahideveran didn't even had 3 kids.Though i agree she didn't kill mehmet neither there is any proof that hurrem was involved in mustafa's murder in real history.nealry 60 percent of magnificent century is fiction.@@MrA1R1S
Well whatever is shown in the last season, everything related to Mustafa's death , the main events. Most of those were true. But in the first 3 seasons most of the things shown in the series were false.
@@MrA1R1SMahidevran's only son was Mustafa.
Good one
So sorry for everyone in real life, they may be slandered in this drama😂
Everyone has their own karma. Mahidevran got karma, her son died after she killed Mehmet. And Hurrem finally gets karma for killing Mustafa. The curse given by Mahidevran really happened in the end. However, because Hurrem was actually not completely at fault (she did it for revenge). Thankfully, Hurrem died before Mahidevran's curse occurred. So Hurrem won't be too sad to see her two children fight and kill each other. I can't imagine how hurt Hurrem would be if she saw a fight between her children
Poor Mahidevran, poor Hurrem.
Hurrem has more kill count than mahidevran. So that counts too.
That's why mahidevran didn't end up in poverty for a long time. .
Her son's shrine was built up to the reputation and Selim allowed her monthly pension.
Mahidevran died peacefully, doing charities and involved in spiritual activities.
Hurrem died due to a deadly disease most probably skin cancer(which was a huge thing at that time).
Mahidevran looked like an insane witch... and it looks like the same floor she beat up Hürrem years ago...
Надо было не избить хюрем а убить сколько бы жизней сохранилось хюрем чудовище
Have some shame she lost everything
No doubt it's not easy for a mother to bear pain of death of an offspring 😢
In this scene, Mahidevran look older than Fatma sultan..
Did hurrem give any blessings to those ladies who were Sultan favourites. She killed them, vanished them , tortured them in every possible way then how could she expect that mahi will give blessings to the one who took everything from her. Hurrem was just a witch...... Hurrem received all her punishment...
Exacly Hurrem did many horrible things yet people defend her
You said it right!
What happened to Mahidebran is due to her own evil ways. Being selfish, greedy to have power, she's the first murderer bec she's the reason of Mehmet death. Now you will also suffer the death of your dear Mustafa. If only you behave well, and didn't do nasty things. I'm sure you will enjoy, peaceful, happy and regal life. Being envious person poisons you Mahidevran. So suffer for it.
She don't kill him in real life
Hurrem was also very power hungry dont forget that.
It's crazy how once Hurrem said to Mahi that she'll lose everyone besides her then and now mahi cursing that her own sons would kill each other and Suleiman wouldn't spare them. Like both times their words came true. But Hurrem called her own destruction, she was responsible for her sons death everytime. If only she didn't tried to kill teenage Mustafa as soon as he comes and everytime she's threatening Mahi that she'll use Mehmed for Mustafa and Suleiman's conflict Mahi wouldn't count Mehmed as a competition as Mustafa was always everyone's favorite, smart, superior so she wouldn't be insecured before but only when Hurrem dug her own son grave starting this dirty politics. Then she loses Chihangir who died bcz he lost his brother Mustafa whom Hurrem killed. Then again she dies knowing Selim will kill Beyazid. Every death of her sons were her own karma. Everything was so perfect before she came. Ottoman empire would be so enriched with Mustafa's era. She's a epic ruiner for everything. She destroyed everyone for her own benefits then again karma she couldn't lived enough to be a Valide, she could never ever live her dreams.
Yikes
True
@@gordanaterzic4121 It reallly isn't
@@hurremsultanas it is
@@gordanaterzic4121 It really isn't
I only blame the unjust sultan who only cared for his second wife and her kidz
hurrem is the only wife of sultan suleiman. you must to read the history
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They do a lot of slow motion walking in these shows, don't they? ...
Hurrem had to fight with all women, she was very outspoken. I think she was amazing, rough around the edges.
Mustafa mother is power hungry and will do everything she can to put Mustafa on the throne.
This show is so clear why you should have only one wife 😂, so many cats in confined spaces only end in constant fighting. But I hate subtitles films and came across this show and I’m hooked ❤️
he did only have one wife (hurrem)
Mahi & Gulfem were concubines
This is the second t8me that Mahidevran attacked Hurrem (both times after losing a child, and Hurrem, a head talker and always weightier, was unable to defend herself.
I hate all of those that write such comments, Mahidevran Sultan have more suffer since Hurrem Sultan arrive at palace, Mahidevran wanted that goods for her son Mustafa and will searched to be loved by Suleyman. Mahidevran is the great victim of Hurrem's games, Mahidevran wanted be recognised too as Haseki Sultan but Hurrem blinded the mind of Suleyman for make him forgot definitively Mahidevran and her true position as the 1st mother of shezade. I love Mahidevran and Suleyman's sisters more that Hurrem, all of those who are eliminated from Hurrem's games prevent Suleyman many Times that Hurrem will go to become their pain until their last day ( Mahidevran, Hatice, Mustafa, Ibrahim, Hafsa, Shah, Fatma and Gulfem ) and finally Sultan Suleyman never listened all of them. They have all bet their hope in Mustafa for to become a better and fair Sultan for the Empire, they have right about Hurrem, since she arrive, she changed the game rule and turned the rule at her advantage to the detriment of other members of the royal family. Finally same two of Hurrem's sons suffer of game of their mother. Cihangir suicide himself after the loose of his great pillar his brother Mustafa, Mihrimah loose her last pivot of power in person of her brother Bayezid. And i go further in my reasoning, Huricihan the Hatice's daughter, Mihrunisa the Bayezid's wife, all of Mustafa's sons are dead and are victims of Hurrem's game. Hurrem is not the good Sultan. She is the Sultan who destroyed a great part of Ottoman Dynasty.
but was she? before Hurrem, Mahidevran was the "Hurrem" of the Sultan. Suleyman had Gulfem and had 2 (??) children with her who later died. Mahidevran unsurped Gulfem who was never bitter about it. Hurrem was much smarter who knew how to keep her position.
Oh brother!!! First off, Mahidevran wasn't even the first concubine to give Suleiman a prince. Secondly she was never a haseki, that title was specifically created for Hurrem. Mahidevran wasn't even labeled a Sultana. You sound very odd and uniformed
@@Sky-tv4wb first, where in my post do u see me referring to Mahidervan as haseiki? Learn to read.
Mahidevran started everything. She got what she deserved
But she wasn't that evil as much as hurrem was .. the way she played evil games and manipulated sultan's mind ... well the all women were sick after a man who couldn't make right decision and get manipulated even he killed his friend and son's.. whta a pitty what a shame.... if compred to mahidevran and hurrem ... hurrem was more evil and clever
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Hurrem herself behaved so mean to royals and specially to Mahidiveran and Walida from the very start of her arrival in Harem...
Exactly
How would you act if you've been kidnapped,family killed and sent to an unknown place as a slave. Hurrem was a teen when she was brought there,so she acted like one. She hated where she was. When Niger gave her advice,she used it. Mahid started with Hurrem first,she couldn't handle being replaced and Valida tooked Mahid side and believed her lies. Hurrem was in no way innocent nor is Mahid. Blame the rules of that time.(only speaking from the show stand point)
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Witnessing so much pain in life he just gave up himself to death for no more rebirth at last episode... 😢
Why is the Sultan sleeping in what appears to be a jail cell? I don’t understand.
He’s in his war tent and is sad because he had to kill his son
I think is a way for deep mourning, for 40days, a lot of religions use to do the same
she with her constant hate and envy caused the whole thing
i love this seryl and transvrd in Telugu pless ❤❤❤❤
Η Μαχιτερβαν είχε δωροδοκήσει καποιον να δηλητηριάσει τον Μεχμέτ τωρα γιατί ζητάει τα ρέστα απο τη Χιουρεμ
Hurrem had to fight every single time for survival
I don't know how can a father kill his own child
I dont know i try but i can never justify this action where the guilty is not even given a chance to justify himself
And my friends in real history mehmet's death was natural disease
But mustafa......was killed by hurrem and king😢
Lemme get this: she killed Mehmet, always manipulated her own son to be a fraticide WHEN be becomes a Sultan - wich she was wrong, it's not a matter of WHEN, but IF and Mustafa lost his chance way before his death. Let's not forget how she did beat Hurrem to the point Hurrem's face got almost destroyed and poisoned her when she was PREGNANT with Mehmet.
And she celebrated when Hurrem gave birth to Mihrimah because a woman supposely has no power in Ottoman Dinasty. But Hurrem AND Mihrimah proved her so, so wrong.
Talking ONLY about the series, yeah, no. Zero sorry for Mahidevran.
Oh come on... It is just a soup opera... Appreciate it the way it is... Don't take it too personal...
No it's based on true story of sultan suleiman and sultana hurrem look it up you can even visit their Tombs in Istanbul turkey x
@@nicolacollins9765a highly fictionalized drama. Most of the show is historically inaccurate for the sake of dramatic purposes.
You're wrong. It's a soap opera 🧼 not a soup opera 🍲.
@@tasniaazima529 lololol
Girl it’s your own damn fault.
Killing Mehmet, gassing Mustafa’s head up with hubris to the point of pure disobedience…. Your misery is your own doing, and you should have known the day the mirror broke that you were gonna pay for the sin of murdering a dynasty member.
And Hurrem…. As much as I am on your side, you KNOW the cost of power. You knew that you couldn’t protect them all unfortunately. Çihangir’s death is unfortunate, but you knew the love he had for his brother…. You had to have known this was a possibility in this game.
She don't kill him in real life
💥💥💥💥💥💥tashlichali disrespected sultan Suleman... by not bowing .
and sultan forgive him.....
strange.....
Mahidevran killed Mehmet because she thought Mehmet was going to be the next in line for the throne which he wasn't unless Mustaf died jealously and greed that was Mahidevrans problem
I am still confused who was Gulfem ??
Suleiman first wife but he didnt like her so much so he divorce but he give to her a lot of money
@@mhamedjaziri949 thanks for telling..
@@mhamedjaziri949 ABSOLUTELY WRONG !
@@MahnoornHafsa She was a servant and treasurer of Suleiman 's harem , she wasn't his concubine or wife .....
Gulfem , according to the story here, was Suleyman’s first lady, had a baby boy, who died. So she was demoted and became a genteel servant.
Suleiman character is characterless she had a queeen Mahidevran who was the mother of his son but after all these he found beauty in hurrem and also he choose an unskilled Sultan Selim .furthermore without any judge he killed Mustafa and also in the show we see sultan touch many other girls but he said he love hurrem and i understoos he was a characterless king.
Очень плохо без перевода.не понятно.😢
God protect me from this kind of man he eat him son😢
I feel bad for both mahidevran and Hurrem it’s horrible to lose children in general
episode name
none of this really happened it just them trying to stir up drama interestes
Mohidavron shunga loyiq edi...lekin Mustafo yaxshi inson edi va hali yashashi kerak edi...
What about prince mehmet?
He was sick
Matou o próprio filho, pra mim é um monstro
You reap what you sow Mahi.. You indirectly killed Mehmet. No qith your own hands but by your order. You do not deserve sympathy. Hurrem beat you because she had more than one.
Not in real life
Revenge for mehmed ❤❤
In india aurangjeb killed his brothers, kept his father in prison. Its all in the DNA of asmani kitab reader. All are same, in any place in world.
It's not true , some Muslim rulers were kind too like Ahmed l or Selim lll but Aurangzeb 's act of fratricide and the fratricide inflicted by the Sultans of Ottoman Empire upon their brothers were very different . The Ottoman Empire never had any line of succession to the throne , meaning that every prince no matter the birth order , was an equal heir to the Ottoman throne and the similar right to succeed was applicable to his other brothers as well , this rule was present so that the most competent prince gets choosen by the rulling Sultan as his heir apparent to succeed the throne and after the reign of Sultan Orhan l this unspoken tradition caused several succession wars within the Ottoman Empire and in few instances , the Sultan had to even go to as far as ordering the execution of his rebellious brother who had threatened the authority of the current Sultan and the stability of the Ottoman estate , an example of such an Ottoman Sultan is Murad ll who even though didn't executed all of his brothers but had to order the execution of his rebellious brother Prince Mustafa because he literally tried to rebel against him when he was outside of the Empire during his military campaign against Constantinople . In 1451, Sultan Mehmed II who was the son of Murad ll ascended the Ottoman throne as the only eligible heir alive , apart from Mehmed the only other son of Murad II which was alive was the newborn Prince Ahmed , a infant ageing only 9 months . Mehmed had actually ascended the throne for the second time because he was already made Sultan when he was 12 because his father haf abdicated his throne to the young boy due to depression caused by the death of his favourite son and heir apparent Prince Abdullah / Abdul Ali but later , due to the conspiracies of some ministers who the doubted the ability of the young Sultan , Murad II was convinced that Mehmed isn't at the capable age of handling the empire , the ministers made him reclaim the Ottoman throne and Mehmed had to abdicate his throne in his 1st term as the Sultan due to that he didn't wanted to take any risk of potential threat to his regin in future , so, he secretly ordered the execution of his stepbrother Prince Ahmed and had him strangled on the day he ascended the throne . He later legitimatised the act by enacting the "Mehmed 's law" also known as the infamous fratricide law of Ottoman Empire which till the mid-seventeenth century , allowed the Sultans to execute their brothers for the order of the world , for the sovereignty of the Ottoman state and the stability of the empire , unfortunately this law was further extended by the next Sultans to even allow the execution of any male heir who was a potential threat to any coup d'etat in future but the Ottoman Sultans literally became soo paranoid that they killed their every living brother and even eliminated their whole bloodline to ensure that their regin wouldn't be threatened and they were subtly manipulated and indirectly encouraged to do so . On the other hand , Mughal Empire always had a succession line very similar to many other empires that the eldest son would ascend the throne and succeed his father but when the health of Sultan Shah Jahan deteriorated and he was rumoured to be in his death bed , Prince Dara Shikoh who was his eldest son and heir apparent marched from his provience with his army to claim his throne , his younger brother Prince Muhhudd 'in , swore alliance with his other brother Prince Murad and convinced the latter to help him defeat his brother and succeed the Mughal throne and in return to this favour he would make him the most influential person in the empire during his regin . Prince Muhhudd 'in along with his brother Prince Murad fought the succession war with their elder brother Prince Dara Shikoh and unfortunately defeated him , surprisingly during this period the health of Sultan Shah Jahan slightly improved so he didn't remained on his bed and claimed himself fully capable of rulling , Prince
Muhhudd 'in who had now already rebelled against his brother and had even won the battle was in such a dilemma that he couldn't back down now otherwise , in the offense of rebelling against the heir choosen by the Padisha and disrespecting his will , he would have been charged with severe punishment and the life of his male children too would be threatened because one day Prince Dara Shikoh would have ascended the throne and could have possibly executed the former 's sons and grandsons in order to ensure the stability of his regin . So , he decided to rebel against his father and eventually even won against him and prisoned him afterwhich he executed all of his brothers and nephews including Prince Murad , out of all of these executions , the execution of Prince Dara Shikoh was the most brutal because he was beheaded and his head was ordered to be sent to their father in a plate while decorated with pearls , his body was marched in the capital by tying it with a donkey , he even treated his father very poorly in prison . After ascending to the throne he claimed the name of Alamgir Aurangzeb , which was apparently his regnal name and Aurangzeb 's fratricide was much more wicked and severe than the fratricide of Ottoman Sultans .
It's not true , some Muslim rulers were kind too like Ahmed l or Selim lll but Aurangzeb 's act of fratricide and the fratricide inflicted by the Sultans of Ottoman Empire upon their brothers were very different . The Ottoman Empire never had any line of succession to the throne , meaning that every prince no matter the birth order , was an equal heir to the Ottoman throne and the similar right to succeed was applicable to his other brothers as well , this rule was present so that the most competent prince gets choosen by the rulling Sultan as his heir apparent to succeed the throne and after the reign of Sultan Orhan l this unspoken tradition caused several succession wars within the Ottoman Empire and in few instances , the Sultan had to even go to as far as ordering the execution of his rebellious brother who had threatened the authority of the current Sultan and the stability of the Ottoman estate , an example of such an Ottoman Sultan is Murad ll who even though didn't executed all of his brothers but had to order the execution of his rebellious brother Prince Mustafa because he literally tried to rebel against him when he was outside of the Empire during his military campaign against Constantinople . In 1451, Sultan Mehmed II who was the son of Murad ll ascended the Ottoman throne as the only eligible heir alive , apart from Mehmed the only other son of Murad II which was alive was the newborn Prince Ahmed , a infant ageing only 9 months . Mehmed had actually ascended the throne for the second time because he was already made Sultan when he was 12 because his father haf abdicated his throne to the young boy due to depression caused by the death of his favourite son and heir apparent Prince Abdullah / Abdul Ali but later , due to the conspiracies of some ministers who the doubted the ability of the young Sultan , Murad II was convinced that Mehmed isn't at the capable age of handling the empire , the ministers made him reclaim the Ottoman throne and Mehmed had to abdicate his throne in his 1st term as the Sultan due to that he didn't wanted to take any risk of potential threat to his regin in future , so, he secretly ordered the execution of his stepbrother Prince Ahmed and had him strangled on the day he ascended the throne . He later legitimatised the act by enacting the "Mehmed 's law" also known as the infamous fratricide law of Ottoman Empire which till the mid-seventeenth century , allowed the Sultans to execute their brothers for the order of the world , for the sovereignty of the Ottoman state and the stability of the empire , unfortunately this law was further extended by the next Sultans to even allow the execution of any male heir who was a potential threat to any coup d'etat in future but the Ottoman Sultans literally became soo paranoid that they killed their every living brother and even eliminated their whole bloodline to ensure that their regin wouldn't be threatened and they were subtly manipulated and indirectly encouraged to do so . On the other hand , Mughal Empire always had a succession line very similar to many other empires that the eldest son would ascend the throne and succeed his father but when the health of Sultan Shah Jahan deteriorated and he was rumoured to be in his death bed , Prince Dara Shikoh who was his eldest son and heir apparent marched from his provience with his army to claim his throne , his younger brother Prince Muhhudd 'in , swore alliance with his other brother Prince Murad and convinced the latter to help him defeat his brother and succeed the Mughal throne and in return to this favour he would make him the most influential person in the empire during his regin . Prince Muhhudd 'in along with his brother Prince Murad fought the succession war with their elder brother Prince Dara Shikoh and unfortunately defeated him , surprisingly during this period the health of Sultan Shah Jahan slightly improved so he didn't remained on his bed and claimed himself fully capable of rulling , Prince
Muhhudd 'in who had now already rebelled against his brother and had even won the battle was in such a dilemma that he couldn't back down now otherwise , in the offense of rebelling against the heir choosen by the Padisha and disrespecting his will , he would have been charged with severe punishment and the life of his male children too would be threatened because one day Prince Dara Shikoh would have ascended the throne and could have possibly executed the former 's sons and grandsons in order to ensure the stability of his regin . So , he decided to rebel against his father and eventually even won against him and prisoned him afterwhich he executed all of his brothers and nephews including Prince Murad , out of all of these executions , the execution of Prince Dara Shikoh was the most brutal because he was beheaded and his head was ordered to be sent to their father in a plate while decorated with pearls , his body was marched in the capital by tying it with a donkey , he even treated his father very poorly in prison . After ascending to the throne he claimed the name of Alamgir Aurangzeb , which was apparently his regnal name and Aurangzeb 's fratricide was much more wicked and severe than the fratricide of Ottoman Sultans .
As I recall, the ancient Persian rulers used to breed numerous heirs, who fought it out with each other til only one was left to inherit the rule.
Who is Gulfem?
She was Suleiman favourite before Mahidevran. She bore him son, who died very young
Mohidavron sulton boshidanoq Xurram homiladorlik vaqtida zaharlaydi...
Хурам шунга лойик. Мустафо. Улими сулаймони усмонли империясини. Кулаши булди
I have never watched this.
Адолатли падших булаолмаган болларини бошшини еган хотинкули
Mahidevran killed her own son, she was a terrible mother infact she and moustapha’s aunts killed her son
Sera que olvido como mato a metmet
Valide sultan has finally exiled mahidevran hatun from topkapi palace
You shut up
@@gordanaterzic4121 noyou
You must @gordana terzic
Qq
@@ΔημΣΚ no you must
How dare mahidevil hatun do that????
Tell me, bud: if you had just lost your only child and you had the person who has spent his/her entire life discrediting and harming it, would you have left him/her casually walk past you? I don't think so
Then again, I guess it's pointless to talk to you with terms of objectivity, given that in your eyes whoever is not Hurrem's minion shouldn't have a right to even look at her or breathe the same air as her 🙄🙄🙄
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ well I wouldn't be there knowing that she is there too! Why did she go there at first place nobody called her they shouldnt even let her in.
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ you don't know what you say. Mahidevran started all that and she took mehmed first! Mustafa is gone because of her.
@@ΔημΣΚ that still doesn't mean that she's not a grieving mother who has the person who slandered her son in front of her.
And don't try to convince me that Hurrem never once said anything to try and make Suleiman see Mustafa as a threat
Старичок пришел посмотреть .Бессовестный.Хромоножка.А все о троне мечтал