I understand that the RGB10 is easier to pick up and play for those that know nothing about these systems. However, you also ignore: - RP2 will receive Android 8.0 update by the end of October - Emulator updates for the life of the system, continually improving performance/options/game compatibility - Potential for community updates since the dev is going open source with the 6.0 software (look at the RG350 community, huge potential here) - Higher resolution scree, definitely noticeable in the video and in person - RP2 has a built-in store to get more roms, very helpful for non-techie people Honestly, I feel the decision to pick the RGB10 is short-sighted and takes none of the above into consideration. PSP looks all but unplayable on the RGB10, along with the majority of N64 titles. As others pointed out, SM64 is a terrible benchmark. Don't forget, one still needs to understand how to get roms on the RGB10 in the first place which means the purchaser either needs to do research on their own or have someone help them. Again, advantage RP2 since a more techy person will either help them or they'll figure out some advantages of the RP2 on their own. On the whole though, I appreciate the video. You're the first person that's done a legitimate comparison and further solidified my purchase of 5 RP2 units for the family for Christmas based on performance. I can set them up myself in advance with all the roms & a nice frontend so no issues there.
Thank you for the in-depth feedback! I will try to touch on a few points. 1) Android 8.0 coming soon. This would only be of interest to me if the performance improved as a result. Android 8.0 does typically require better / more modern hardware so there is the potential it may actually run worse on this device than Android 6.0. Fingers crossed it actually helps with performance. 2) Better screen on RP2 - Agree 100%. 3) RP2 has a built-in store - The store is quite limited in what it has available, none of the games I went searching for were actually there. Also the games you download via the online store are only playable in the RETROID boot menu which has no options for emulation configuration so you are stuck if their emulation settings are not correct. Not really a big selling point for me. 4) Getting roms onto the RGB10 - You are correct, the use of the linux file-system means you need to install a third party tool to allow your computer to read and write to the memory stick (assuming you don't use linux). Once you have done this, it works just like any SD card and is trivial to add roms, the folders are all there and you just drop them into the correlating system. 5) As others pointed out, SM64 is a terrible benchmark - I covered Goldeneye as the N64 benchmark app and then concluded that the RP2 was the superior N64 device. Android in general is great for N64 emulation if that is your preference. Congratulations on buying RP2's for your whole family for xmas! You won't be disappointed. I myself was hoping my daughter would gel with the RP2 more so I could order the pink one for her birthday. I think if you can set them up with a nice simple front-end that can auto launch at bootup like the RGB10 / and avoid the whole android menu cluster you should be able to achieve a similar level of usability. There are several emulation-station style front-ends or the RP2 you can try out. I did play around with the included "DIG" front end but found it underwhelming both in appearance and performance. Also, I keep finding the battery life on the RP2 acting strange. I will aim to do a video on it once I can nail down the issue. For instance I put it in sleep mode last night at around 42% life and today I fired it up and it was completely flat. Considering this device takes over a minute to boot up cold into Android, this is a big concern as the sleep mode is the only thing that will make it a liveable device. I also mentioned in another comment, I sat in the Android menu and watched the battery life tick down in front of my eyes from 32% to 0% in what seemed like 5-10 minutes when I first got the device. And this was playing absolutely no games at all! Perhaps it just needed that initial full-charge that some batteries do.
@@remulate2846 Appreciate the time put onto the response man! I still feel, considering build quality, screen and ease of importing ROMs (store being ignored here) the RP2 is superior for the price. Also, the color options are on point, truly something for everyone. I can see the RBG10 fitting the need for kids though, definitely an easier front-end to use for sure. From what the community has said, while it's true Android 8 requires beefier specs there are processing updates that will make running emulation less taxing so the hope is at a minimum small gains with improved battery life. Disappointing to hear about your battery issues, perhaps you could reach out to the manufacturer for a replacement? Another huge plus of Retroid is their community support, customer service and open backing with visible support. They do things differently and truly hope they have success. Keep up the great content! 👍
Took the words outta my mouth lol Also don't forget the cosmetic difference is night and day with some solid color schemes and I think a better layout for controls IMO. The 8.1 Android should bring solid DC performance as well but if your into PSP games mod a psp or a ps vita or just use your phone. Thanks for the video I was on the fence but the RP2 is gonna have MP too and If you get them all together u can have co-op and even trade pokemon which is dope.
The Retroid Pocket 2 feels much more like a premium device compared to the toy looking of the RGB10. Add to that the second analog stick, Android (8 has been anounced) and a better screen, I go with the Pocket 2 with no regret.
@@jong.3262 Well, put simply, latest versions of Android allow latest (and often improved) versions of emulators. Some new emulators aren't compatible with older Android versions.
@@ryannu1578 Definitely not. It was a surprise to us all that it emulated well DS games (with no touch screen support) and the 3DS is much more powerful and thus complex to emulate. So don't bet on 3DS support. If you want to play 3DS games, I strongly advise you to get a used (in good shape that is) 2DS and hack its firmware. The Retroid Pocket 2 is a "retro" gaming device. It supports up to Dreamcast (with some issues) so take it as a multi emulator for old consoles prior to 2005. Another thing to keep in mind is that although it is announced that it will support Android 8, a newer OS often requires more CPU power so even if newest emulators will be available, the overall efficiency of the device may suffer from a newer OS. So, to recap, don't ever update a device when the update becomes available. Wait for some user reviews to check if it enhance or hinder performances before doing the update.
So... is the RP2 really that bad for arcade games? :( Every gameplay video seems to cover N64, PSP, Dreamcast, we poor old arcade fans are left in the dark, thank you for shining a light on this issue!
Great comparative video man. That close up camera is dope also you can see how the low resolution screen on the RGB10 affects the image quality on 3D consoles like PSP/DC/N64. Wish it have a 640x960 panel but also the chip is not powerful enough to run these system 100% good. (Neither the Rertroid's one) RGB10 is the perfect 2D Arcade/Console/PSX portable device. How about DS emulation on both devices. Did you tried it? Also you are a man of culture playing those games in their native aspect ratio. This is so important man, kudos to that.
Hey guys I honestly have no idea what’s going on with this guy’s settings but the Retroid pocket 2 can handle psp games near flawlessly. Taki Udon did an entire series of videos on the Retroid pocket 2 including a psp emulation showcase and it handles games even like god of war at full speed and few hiccups. He also includes a google doc with his settings so please check out those videos as well. Taki even has bonus videos showing the Nintendo DS and Sega Dreamcast also emulated are full speed on the device. The Retroid pocket 2 is friggin sick.
If you take a close look at God of War on the Taki II video, you will see the framerate in the top right corner hovering around 15 fps, it is heavily frameskipped. Not sure if I would call that running at 'full speed'. For me anything under 30fps and its a no-deal, preferably 60 fps.
Dbozgt fair enough, still, it’s way better than what’s going on in this video. After all, god of war is one of the most difficult games to emulate on the psp, and therefore the standard for benchmarking. Even if it’s at 15fps, the fact it’s running at all is amazing, especially considering that there are other games besides god of war you could play.
Dbozgt no problem. And by the by, while the psp was capable of running at 60fps it was by no means standard. Lots of games only ran at 30 anyway. So expecting every game to run at 60 to be playable is just unrealistic
I did show the Retroid bootable OS for Ridge Racer 2, the part where I pointed out how it was running in slow motion. If you look at the seconds counter on the in-game timer a second is taking almost 2 seconds to elapse. It appears they have setup the emulator to run full frames at the expense of the game speed. Also note that they have excluded games that do not run well (i.e Arcade Mk2) and included the ps1 version as an alternative. Still it is a good boot option for beginners.
For your RP2 I highly recommend you access all emulators via the Dig app. It can have a better interface than the rgb10 if you get a custom front end on Dig and play all your roms from it. Supports Nintendo DS and dreamcast etc. even ps2 if you have an emulator for it.
@@justinthomas2458 Its in the the emulator settings. If you change it to performance it makes it much smoother. I don't have the rk2020 in front of me atm.
Thing with the retroid is you can download new roms wirelessly and looking at the competition that’s a solid feature Sad about soul caliber maybe a better rom out there for it
If you are referring to the 'RETROID Pocket' closed menu system with the downloadable Store, that is a good feature for those who use that closed system / boot mode. Just remember the Open Android menu system wont be able to use those downloaded roms, they are renamed and saved in a non-translatable file / directory format.
@@ryannu1578 Sure, although you don't need WIFI to do that. You can just plug the Micro SD card into your computer and drag files onto it that way. Also it is worth noting that you can easily enable WIFI on the RGB10 with a 802.11n USB WIFI dongle ($20). Tiny little dongle, just plugs and plays. Very handy for scraping cover / title art via Emulation Station as well.
@@remulate2846 Hi. I recently ordered a Black Powkiddy RGB10, and also recently ordered a 300M Wi-Fi Dongle, but it was a cheap one 'cause there's no way I would pay $20 for a Wi-Fi Dongle. The question is, do I can expect it to conect my RGB10 to the internet without issues, or do I have to exclusively use an expensive dongle?
While I understand the inclination to use the same emulator and settings on both devices to compare how each game runs I also don't think this does the relative flexibility of the Retroid justice. As an Android device it definitely has significantly more room to tweak settings and try different emulators than the Powkiddy. I guarantee that most of these games could run better than shown here with a few tweaks.
Thanks for the input. I should have clarified that testing on the same emulator wasn't the goal, it just worked out that way as it was the best performing emulator I could find on both devices after testing the various options for both. The other Mame emulator options ran both MK2 and Afterburner worse on both devices.
I know net playing in between two retro pocket 2s is only up to two players but does that mean two players can play any game for example mortal Kombat, sports game or some arcade game?
Pocket 2 hands down better better quality buttons and screen pow kitty screen is noticeably worse at such a low resolution with newer games all pixelated also lower res helps performance.
Agree about screen, buttons seem a little on the small side on the RP2 but they definitely feel high quality. Overall build quality is very good on the RP2. That being said the build quality of the RGB10 is a lot better than both the O-Droid Go Advance and the RK2020. I am looking forward to getting the aluminium edition of the RK2020.
The camera switch button needed custom re-mapping. I did do it after this review to see if it affected performance. It made no difference to framerate at all seeing the car on-screen. It played exactly the same.
Could you say if you test Dreamcast / Mame and PSP with RP 2 or Android emulators? apparantly with RP 2, it's mainly in fullspeed? could you confirm this point, or maybe doing a video comparision between both systems (android VS RP2 )... Possible to boot directly to RP 2? Thx
Yes once you launch the RP2 menu system it will auto load to that boot section the next time you turn the device on. I did test where the games were available, if you see 3:44 in the video I show how the RP2 version of Ridge Racer 2 runs in 'slow motion'. You can notice the seconds in the game timer are a lot longer than a normal second too.
There was no button mapped for the camera change function on RGB10 for RR2 at the time of the review. I did eventually get the button mapping for 3rd person camera working after the video was recorded and can confirm it had zero effect on the performance on the RGB10. It ran exactly the same. Also my daughter's cast is now off and she is back to 100%, thanks for your well wishes!
The camera switch button needed custom re-mapping. I did do it after this review to see if it affected performance. It made no difference to framerate at all seeing the car on-screen. It played exactly the same.
Overall quite decent. But I did see some very weird issues with it draining super fast when it gets to the lower end of the battery % remaining. Just sitting in the Android menu system I watched the battery life tick down from 30% to 0% flat in the space of approx 10 minutes, and that wasn't even playing any games! Maybe I just needed to give the battery a proper full charge first as I haven't noticed it happening since.
Wait people are talking about the update to android 8.does this mean I should wait until that comes out or will it update on its own (PLEASE ANSWER URGENTLY)
It is worth noting that the PS1 version of MK2 is probably one of the best / closest conversions out there. If your device handles PS1 ok then that is a viable alternative. (e.g. RG350 etc)
@@remulate2846 ua-cam.com/video/fQ2FfEalGoc/v-deo.html PS1 version it's not that good..... besides, I think the SNES version of MK2 is also crappy on the RG350, wich is the port that I used to play as a kid.
@@Survario Nice to see a fellow MK2 connoisseur! The PSX wins on most counts except music, which is not a true rendition of the arcade / is being generated by the on board sound player. Personally I would consider music a lower priority to visuals which is why I suggested the PSX version for anyone who cannot play the Arcade version well. Overall I agree however, nothing compares to the Arcade, and that is why I am so impressed by the RK3326 / OGA clones ability to play the Arcade near perfect on the Mame 2003 Libretro core.
I read somewhere that the SD that comes with it is bad quality, and slows some games down. And that with a better quality SD card (SanDisk extreme) the games worked better, could this be true?
They really need to do something about that audio stuttering. It's not just 'bad', it actually drives me crazy! I like tinkering, but Android is a terrible choice as a base, probably the most inefficient OS ever made, with a terrible UI. So it seems that the much better hardware of the RP2 is mostly wasted due to bad software :( Btw: It would be useful, if you added the type of core for ARM cpus, as this obviously is a major performance criteria. The RP2 has Cortex-A7 cores.
Good video, but Super Mario 64 isn’t exactly a good benchmark for N64 performance. Games like Goldeneye and Conker’s Bad Fur Day are totally playable on the Retroid Pocket 2, whereas the Powkiddy RGB10 (and any OGA clone) is going to struggle heavily with those titles. Even just entering the pause menu in Paper Mario will cause it to crash on the OGA running under Mupen64Plus-Next, standard Plus, or Parallel. The Retroid Pocket 2 vastly exceeds the RK3325 CPU when it comes to N64 emulation. Test more titles and you’ll see.
Thanks for the comment and I couldn't agree more. You may have missed it but I covered your point at 13:15 when I demonstrated Goldeneye and said that for N64 emulation the Retroid Pocket 2 was far superior.
REMULATE yeah you’re right, I did miss that. Good job. You’re spot on about PSP though, it’s definitely a mixed bag for both consoles with the RK3326 chip edging it out due to overall stability. Games like Monster Hunter Freedom Unite run perfectly on my Odroid Go Advance, but the sound stuttering is insane on the Retroid Pocket 2...
The Retroid Pocket 2 not being able to run MAME at full speed in some major games is a big letdown considering that both can't run N64/PSP and DC perfectly so I'm not looking these emulators when i'll make my buying decision. I rather a console that run 8, 16 bits, MAME and PSX perfectly like the RGB10.
Even though the rgb10 has a much powerful processor, the rp2 still out performs it in most games. Rp2 really impressive. I am still confused why the rp2 performs better? Plus the rgb10 has a lower resolution screen shouldn't it be performing alot better ?
I have both coming lol. It seems Retroid is not shipping for orders placed in the last few weeks and is giving some lame excuse about waiting. What gives?
Agreed, they could have reduced that bottom bar with the speakers on left and right and put the speakers above the dpad and joystick perhaps. Would still need a thin amount of bar to store the home / select and start buttons.
upgrade rp2 to android 8.1, install ppsspp and set video mode to skip buffer effect, frame skipping off, anistropic filtering 4x, now u would have a full speed ridge racer2 with fps 60 and flawless sound!!!!!!!!!
Hello nice video thanks. Thumbs up 👍By the way.. I have now also finished and uploaded my video for the Retroid pocket 2. It has become 54 minutes 🙃 Love greetings 👋
Sorry but they are charging $10 for it on the Play Store here in Australia.. I'm not keen enough to buy it for that price just to see if it runs ok (which I doubt it would).
Um, your dreamcast comparisons is a bit skewed. You're comparing based on that crappy reicast emulator. Since the Retroid 2 is android, its quite simple to download the redream emulator that every android user SHOULD use. With the redream emulator, the Powkiddy doesn't even come close. So for dreamcast emulation people, the Retroid 2 is your winner.
When I navigate to Redream on the Play Store on the Retroid Pocket 2 it says 'your device isnt compatible with this version'. Can you confirm you have actually got Redream running on the RP2 and if so how did you install it?
@@remulate2846 Have you tried flycast? It performs pretty good too, not as good as redream, but better than reicast, plus i t emulates those sweet sweet Naomi and Atomiswave games!
I tried all the emulators to find the best performers before doing the comparison. If you know of an emulator that will run any of the games in the review better, please let me know!
@@erikd6124 With mame 2003 it will not run full speed but with Mame 2000 core it will run perfectly. The problem with this core is it sometimes exits Retroarch when trying to load a rom. It's like lottery, sometimes it loads and sometimes it exit the app.
Well technically it has a color screen with red green and blue so its not completely false branding. Also I finally got around to plugging the Retroid Pocket 2 into my main TV via HDMI and all I can say is, it looked like ass. The resolution on the big screen was horrible / blurry, it was cropping some of the edges of the screen (may have been a TV setting I needed to tweak) and a bluetooth controller had a lot of input lag. Definitely not something I would choose to do on a regular basis. For me thats not a worthwhile selling point but others may disagree.
Common they cost almost the same... How can you choose an inferior device over the RP2? The RP2 costs less and does and has more. Dislike.... Also, the RGB10 is a 13Ghrz but overclocked to 1.5.
Agreed! I noticed when editing the footage and was almost at the point of re-shooting the entire thing with cleaner nails. In the end I thought it would not be worth it, but I will definitely lift my fingernail game for the next video! Might have to get a manicure treatment haha.
Thumbs up for the honest recommendation rather than specs only!
pro trick: you can watch series on Kaldrostream. I've been using them for watching all kinds of movies during the lockdown.
@Brady John definitely, been using Kaldrostream for years myself :)
I understand that the RGB10 is easier to pick up and play for those that know nothing about these systems. However, you also ignore:
- RP2 will receive Android 8.0 update by the end of October
- Emulator updates for the life of the system, continually improving performance/options/game compatibility
- Potential for community updates since the dev is going open source with the 6.0 software (look at the RG350 community, huge potential here)
- Higher resolution scree, definitely noticeable in the video and in person
- RP2 has a built-in store to get more roms, very helpful for non-techie people
Honestly, I feel the decision to pick the RGB10 is short-sighted and takes none of the above into consideration. PSP looks all but unplayable on the RGB10, along with the majority of N64 titles. As others pointed out, SM64 is a terrible benchmark. Don't forget, one still needs to understand how to get roms on the RGB10 in the first place which means the purchaser either needs to do research on their own or have someone help them. Again, advantage RP2 since a more techy person will either help them or they'll figure out some advantages of the RP2 on their own.
On the whole though, I appreciate the video. You're the first person that's done a legitimate comparison and further solidified my purchase of 5 RP2 units for the family for Christmas based on performance. I can set them up myself in advance with all the roms & a nice frontend so no issues there.
Thank you for the in-depth feedback! I will try to touch on a few points.
1) Android 8.0 coming soon. This would only be of interest to me if the performance improved as a result. Android 8.0 does typically require better / more modern hardware so there is the potential it may actually run worse on this device than Android 6.0. Fingers crossed it actually helps with performance.
2) Better screen on RP2 - Agree 100%.
3) RP2 has a built-in store - The store is quite limited in what it has available, none of the games I went searching for were actually there. Also the games you download via the online store are only playable in the RETROID boot menu which has no options for emulation configuration so you are stuck if their emulation settings are not correct. Not really a big selling point for me.
4) Getting roms onto the RGB10 - You are correct, the use of the linux file-system means you need to install a third party tool to allow your computer to read and write to the memory stick (assuming you don't use linux). Once you have done this, it works just like any SD card and is trivial to add roms, the folders are all there and you just drop them into the correlating system.
5) As others pointed out, SM64 is a terrible benchmark - I covered Goldeneye as the N64 benchmark app and then concluded that the RP2 was the superior N64 device. Android in general is great for N64 emulation if that is your preference.
Congratulations on buying RP2's for your whole family for xmas! You won't be disappointed. I myself was hoping my daughter would gel with the RP2 more so I could order the pink one for her birthday. I think if you can set them up with a nice simple front-end that can auto launch at bootup like the RGB10 / and avoid the whole android menu cluster you should be able to achieve a similar level of usability. There are several emulation-station style front-ends or the RP2 you can try out. I did play around with the included "DIG" front end but found it underwhelming both in appearance and performance. Also, I keep finding the battery life on the RP2 acting strange. I will aim to do a video on it once I can nail down the issue. For instance I put it in sleep mode last night at around 42% life and today I fired it up and it was completely flat. Considering this device takes over a minute to boot up cold into Android, this is a big concern as the sleep mode is the only thing that will make it a liveable device. I also mentioned in another comment, I sat in the Android menu and watched the battery life tick down in front of my eyes from 32% to 0% in what seemed like 5-10 minutes when I first got the device. And this was playing absolutely no games at all! Perhaps it just needed that initial full-charge that some batteries do.
@@remulate2846 Appreciate the time put onto the response man! I still feel, considering build quality, screen and ease of importing ROMs (store being ignored here) the RP2 is superior for the price. Also, the color options are on point, truly something for everyone.
I can see the RBG10 fitting the need for kids though, definitely an easier front-end to use for sure.
From what the community has said, while it's true Android 8 requires beefier specs there are processing updates that will make running emulation less taxing so the hope is at a minimum small gains with improved battery life.
Disappointing to hear about your battery issues, perhaps you could reach out to the manufacturer for a replacement?
Another huge plus of Retroid is their community support, customer service and open backing with visible support. They do things differently and truly hope they have success.
Keep up the great content! 👍
Took the words outta my mouth lol Also don't forget the cosmetic difference is night and day with some solid color schemes and I think a better layout for controls IMO. The 8.1 Android should bring solid DC performance as well but if your into PSP games mod a psp or a ps vita or just use your phone.
Thanks for the video I was on the fence but the RP2 is gonna have MP too and If you get them all together u can have co-op and even trade pokemon which is dope.
Sooo that means the retroid pocket 2 is better
@@not_necessary5096 Definitely! (In my opinion lol)
My Retroid is in the airplane at the moment, I'll be waiting for you buddy ❤
Did it Come?
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It is in Belgium atm, so hopefully next week?! Destination is Greece. Can't wait for it.
@@gregdim7351 Greece?
@@ScorbunnyProductionsYT Yes, hopefully it will arrive in 1-2 days. Cannot wait!
@@gregdim7351 what is your experience with the retroid pocket2?
The Retroid Pocket 2 feels much more like a premium device compared to the toy looking of the RGB10. Add to that the second analog stick, Android (8 has been anounced) and a better screen, I go with the Pocket 2 with no regret.
jaysan programming I just bought one for myself but I know nothing about emulators. Could you explain a little what the android update means?
@@jong.3262 Well, put simply, latest versions of Android allow latest (and often improved) versions of emulators. Some new emulators aren't compatible with older Android versions.
jaysan programming hmm you think it’ll allow 3ds emulation it would be cool to play Pokémon sun and moon
@@ryannu1578 Definitely not. It was a surprise to us all that it emulated well DS games (with no touch screen support) and the 3DS is much more powerful and thus complex to emulate. So don't bet on 3DS support. If you want to play 3DS games, I strongly advise you to get a used (in good shape that is) 2DS and hack its firmware.
The Retroid Pocket 2 is a "retro" gaming device. It supports up to Dreamcast (with some issues) so take it as a multi emulator for old consoles prior to 2005.
Another thing to keep in mind is that although it is announced that it will support Android 8, a newer OS often requires more CPU power so even if newest emulators will be available, the overall efficiency of the device may suffer from a newer OS. So, to recap, don't ever update a device when the update becomes available. Wait for some user reviews to check if it enhance or hinder performances before doing the update.
@@jaysanprogramming6818 ill definitely take that into account,considering you say 2005 you think theres any hope in ps2 or gamecube?
So... is the RP2 really that bad for arcade games? :( Every gameplay video seems to cover N64, PSP, Dreamcast, we poor old arcade fans are left in the dark, thank you for shining a light on this issue!
Taki Udon included it in his RP1 review. The RP2 is better so I am sure it will work well.
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Great comparative video man.
That close up camera is dope also you can see how the low resolution screen on the RGB10 affects the image quality on 3D consoles like PSP/DC/N64. Wish it have a 640x960 panel but also the chip is not powerful enough to run these system 100% good. (Neither the Rertroid's one) RGB10 is the perfect 2D Arcade/Console/PSX portable device.
How about DS emulation on both devices. Did you tried it?
Also you are a man of culture playing those games in their native aspect ratio. This is so important man, kudos to that.
Hey guys I honestly have no idea what’s going on with this guy’s settings but the Retroid pocket 2 can handle psp games near flawlessly. Taki Udon did an entire series of videos on the Retroid pocket 2 including a psp emulation showcase and it handles games even like god of war at full speed and few hiccups. He also includes a google doc with his settings so please check out those videos as well. Taki even has bonus videos showing the Nintendo DS and Sega Dreamcast also emulated are full speed on the device. The Retroid pocket 2 is friggin sick.
If you take a close look at God of War on the Taki II video, you will see the framerate in the top right corner hovering around 15 fps, it is heavily frameskipped. Not sure if I would call that running at 'full speed'. For me anything under 30fps and its a no-deal, preferably 60 fps.
REMULATE I agree not all games run at 60fps some only run at 30fps if I’m not mistaken.
Dbozgt fair enough, still, it’s way better than what’s going on in this video. After all, god of war is one of the most difficult games to emulate on the psp, and therefore the standard for benchmarking. Even if it’s at 15fps, the fact it’s running at all is amazing, especially considering that there are other games besides god of war you could play.
TheOtioseFanatic good point thanks for the advice
Dbozgt no problem. And by the by, while the psp was capable of running at 60fps it was by no means standard. Lots of games only ran at 30 anyway. So expecting every game to run at 60 to be playable is just unrealistic
Why didn't you use Retroid bootable OS for the RP2? All the games are set perfectly on there. Ay!
I did show the Retroid bootable OS for Ridge Racer 2, the part where I pointed out how it was running in slow motion. If you look at the seconds counter on the in-game timer a second is taking almost 2 seconds to elapse. It appears they have setup the emulator to run full frames at the expense of the game speed. Also note that they have excluded games that do not run well (i.e Arcade Mk2) and included the ps1 version as an alternative. Still it is a good boot option for beginners.
For your RP2 I highly recommend you access all emulators via the Dig app. It can have a better interface than the rgb10 if you get a custom front end on Dig and play all your roms from it. Supports Nintendo DS and dreamcast etc. even ps2 if you have an emulator for it.
Thanks for the tip! I did try DIG with the default theme and found it a little cumbersome. Will try some other themes.
I had some hickups with my rk2020 because it wasn't in performance mode. Try turning it on.
How/where is that done?
@@justinthomas2458 Its in the the emulator settings. If you change it to performance it makes it much smoother. I don't have the rk2020 in front of me atm.
Olha, difícil decidir... Qual vcs recomendariam?
Thing with the retroid is you can download new roms wirelessly and looking at the competition that’s a solid feature
Sad about soul caliber maybe a better rom out there for it
If you are referring to the 'RETROID Pocket' closed menu system with the downloadable Store, that is a good feature for those who use that closed system / boot mode. Just remember the Open Android menu system wont be able to use those downloaded roms, they are renamed and saved in a non-translatable file / directory format.
REMULATE yeah but the roms I do transfer from my pc would be on those android apps?
@@ryannu1578 Sure, although you don't need WIFI to do that. You can just plug the Micro SD card into your computer and drag files onto it that way. Also it is worth noting that you can easily enable WIFI on the RGB10 with a 802.11n USB WIFI dongle ($20). Tiny little dongle, just plugs and plays. Very handy for scraping cover / title art via Emulation Station as well.
@@remulate2846 Hi. I recently ordered a Black Powkiddy RGB10, and also recently ordered a 300M Wi-Fi Dongle, but it was a cheap one 'cause there's no way I would pay $20 for a Wi-Fi Dongle. The question is, do I can expect it to conect my RGB10 to the internet without issues, or do I have to exclusively use an expensive dongle?
Well explained and detailed, thanks!!!
RGB runs all SNES games smoothly, even the SFX like Star Fox and Yohi's Island? And the Mame games?
While I understand the inclination to use the same emulator and settings on both devices to compare how each game runs I also don't think this does the relative flexibility of the Retroid justice. As an Android device it definitely has significantly more room to tweak settings and try different emulators than the Powkiddy. I guarantee that most of these games could run better than shown here with a few tweaks.
Thanks for the input. I should have clarified that testing on the same emulator wasn't the goal, it just worked out that way as it was the best performing emulator I could find on both devices after testing the various options for both. The other Mame emulator options ran both MK2 and Afterburner worse on both devices.
I know net playing in between two retro pocket 2s is only up to two players but does that mean two players can play any game for example mortal Kombat, sports game or some arcade game?
Love the look of the retroid! Pretty tempted
Pocket 2 hands down better better quality buttons and screen pow kitty screen is noticeably worse at such a low resolution with newer games all pixelated also lower res helps performance.
Agree about screen, buttons seem a little on the small side on the RP2 but they definitely feel high quality. Overall build quality is very good on the RP2. That being said the build quality of the RGB10 is a lot better than both the O-Droid Go Advance and the RK2020. I am looking forward to getting the aluminium edition of the RK2020.
@@remulate2846 Also there's the RG351 coming out soon too.
Francisco Butte yes
Why didn't you switch the camera on the powkiddy when you were testing RR? Try switching the camera to FP on the RP2
The camera switch button needed custom re-mapping. I did do it after this review to see if it affected performance. It made no difference to framerate at all seeing the car on-screen. It played exactly the same.
Could you say if you test Dreamcast / Mame and PSP with RP 2 or Android emulators? apparantly with RP 2, it's mainly in fullspeed? could you confirm this point, or maybe doing a video comparision between both systems (android VS RP2 )... Possible to boot directly to RP 2? Thx
Yes once you launch the RP2 menu system it will auto load to that boot section the next time you turn the device on. I did test where the games were available, if you see 3:44 in the video I show how the RP2 version of Ridge Racer 2 runs in 'slow motion'. You can notice the seconds in the game timer are a lot longer than a normal second too.
Third person is more taxing that first person. Why did you do this?
PD: I hope that your daugther's hand gets better soon.
There was no button mapped for the camera change function on RGB10 for RR2 at the time of the review. I did eventually get the button mapping for 3rd person camera working after the video was recorded and can confirm it had zero effect on the performance on the RGB10. It ran exactly the same. Also my daughter's cast is now off and she is back to 100%, thanks for your well wishes!
Why did you use different settings with the psp games ? When you are rendering your car vs bumper cam it’s way more taxing
The camera switch button needed custom re-mapping. I did do it after this review to see if it affected performance. It made no difference to framerate at all seeing the car on-screen. It played exactly the same.
Where can I buy a RP2? Thanks
For when the pocket 3?
Whats the battery life on the RP2 ?
Overall quite decent. But I did see some very weird issues with it draining super fast when it gets to the lower end of the battery % remaining. Just sitting in the Android menu system I watched the battery life tick down from 30% to 0% flat in the space of approx 10 minutes, and that wasn't even playing any games! Maybe I just needed to give the battery a proper full charge first as I haven't noticed it happening since.
Wait people are talking about the update to android 8.does this mean I should wait until that comes out or will it update on its own (PLEASE ANSWER URGENTLY)
you can update it after purchase. I think.
I love Mortal Kombat 2. So now I think I've got to buy RGB10
It is worth noting that the PS1 version of MK2 is probably one of the best / closest conversions out there. If your device handles PS1 ok then that is a viable alternative. (e.g. RG350 etc)
@@remulate2846 ua-cam.com/video/fQ2FfEalGoc/v-deo.html PS1 version it's not that good..... besides, I think the SNES version of MK2 is also crappy on the RG350, wich is the port that I used to play as a kid.
@@Survario Nice to see a fellow MK2 connoisseur! The PSX wins on most counts except music, which is not a true rendition of the arcade / is being generated by the on board sound player. Personally I would consider music a lower priority to visuals which is why I suggested the PSX version for anyone who cannot play the Arcade version well. Overall I agree however, nothing compares to the Arcade, and that is why I am so impressed by the RK3326 / OGA clones ability to play the Arcade near perfect on the Mame 2003 Libretro core.
I read somewhere that the SD that comes with it is bad quality, and slows some games down. And that with a better quality SD card (SanDisk extreme) the games worked better, could this be true?
@Northen Peter thanks for your response, I'm gnna get one then. Isit just a straight copy and paste all files from old to new SD card?
Why is the retroid cutting off the top of the screen on mvc2?
Hadn't noticed it but now I can not un-notice it. ! Perhaps a different emulator would help.
You got me you bastards!...I was sold when you mentioned your daughter
I prefer retroid p2
Android, 640x480 screen, support, faster
Thanks for the great video!
They really need to do something about that audio stuttering. It's not just 'bad', it actually drives me crazy! I like tinkering, but Android is a terrible choice as a base, probably the most inefficient OS ever made, with a terrible UI. So it seems that the much better hardware of the RP2 is mostly wasted due to bad software :(
Btw: It would be useful, if you added the type of core for ARM cpus, as this obviously is a major performance criteria. The RP2 has Cortex-A7 cores.
Good video, but Super Mario 64 isn’t exactly a good benchmark for N64 performance. Games like Goldeneye and Conker’s Bad Fur Day are totally playable on the Retroid Pocket 2, whereas the Powkiddy RGB10 (and any OGA clone) is going to struggle heavily with those titles. Even just entering the pause menu in Paper Mario will cause it to crash on the OGA running under Mupen64Plus-Next, standard Plus, or Parallel.
The Retroid Pocket 2 vastly exceeds the RK3325 CPU when it comes to N64 emulation. Test more titles and you’ll see.
Thanks for the comment and I couldn't agree more. You may have missed it but I covered your point at 13:15 when I demonstrated Goldeneye and said that for N64 emulation the Retroid Pocket 2 was far superior.
@luiz santos Yep tried mame 2000, 2010, 2015 and Mame4droid, all ran terribly. Mame 2003 is the only one that made it playable.
@luiz santos I tested on the Mupen64Plus FZ and N64Oid included apps as well as RetroArch. I found N64oid to be the best performer for Goldeneye.
REMULATE yeah you’re right, I did miss that. Good job. You’re spot on about PSP though, it’s definitely a mixed bag for both consoles with the RK3326 chip edging it out due to overall stability. Games like Monster Hunter Freedom Unite run perfectly on my Odroid Go Advance, but the sound stuttering is insane on the Retroid Pocket 2...
The Retroid Pocket 2 not being able to run MAME at full speed in some major games is a big letdown considering that both can't run N64/PSP and DC perfectly so I'm not looking these emulators when i'll make my buying decision. I rather a console that run 8, 16 bits, MAME and PSX perfectly like the RGB10.
Even though the rgb10 has a much powerful processor, the rp2 still out performs it in most games. Rp2 really impressive. I am still confused why the rp2 performs better?
Plus the rgb10 has a lower resolution screen shouldn't it be performing alot better ?
I think it's because the retroid uses android, and emulators are far more worked and optimized for android than any other OS nowadays
RP2's opengles is broken, hence the glitches on soul calibur. Might get better with Android 8.1
I have both coming lol.
It seems Retroid is not shipping for orders placed in the last few weeks and is giving some lame excuse about waiting. What gives?
Great Review 🔥
I wish retroid pocket have smaller size 😢
Agreed, they could have reduced that bottom bar with the speakers on left and right and put the speakers above the dpad and joystick perhaps. Would still need a thin amount of bar to store the home / select and start buttons.
upgrade rp2 to android 8.1, install ppsspp and set video mode to skip buffer effect, frame skipping off, anistropic filtering 4x, now u would have a full speed ridge racer2 with fps 60 and flawless sound!!!!!!!!!
The slider ruins it for me
At 2:30, I heard to make PSP games playable, switch to steam link emulator
Wait if the Aren’t those the same analog sticks on the Nintendo switch...the ONES THAT DRIFT! 😩
Hello nice video thanks. Thumbs up 👍By the way.. I have now also finished and uploaded my video for the Retroid pocket 2. It has become 54 minutes 🙃 Love greetings 👋
Not a fan of the cursor control. If I'm gonna use Android i'm going with my phone and a controller.
Nice explanation thx
There's a native Android ports for Liberty City Stories. Try that instead
Sorry but they are charging $10 for it on the Play Store here in Australia.. I'm not keen enough to buy it for that price just to see if it runs ok (which I doubt it would).
Um, your dreamcast comparisons is a bit skewed. You're comparing based on that crappy reicast emulator. Since the Retroid 2 is android, its quite simple to download the redream emulator that every android user SHOULD use.
With the redream emulator, the Powkiddy doesn't even come close. So for dreamcast emulation people, the Retroid 2 is your winner.
When I navigate to Redream on the Play Store on the Retroid Pocket 2 it says 'your device isnt compatible with this version'. Can you confirm you have actually got Redream running on the RP2 and if so how did you install it?
@@remulate2846
Have you tried flycast?
It performs pretty good too, not as good as redream, but better than reicast, plus i t emulates those sweet sweet Naomi and Atomiswave games!
ReDream isn't compatible with RP2, due to outdated OpenGL.
RP2 has Reicast, but heard later shipped RP2 handhelds will have Flycast.
This compare is really odd, you can improve mame performance in retroid pocket 2 with different emulator. Why showing up wrong conclusions.
Which emulators are Good? How would street higher 3 alpha play on the RP2 with the best possible emulator?
I tried all the emulators to find the best performers before doing the comparison. If you know of an emulator that will run any of the games in the review better, please let me know!
@@remulate2846 use Mame 2003 Plus core from retroarch. You need to download it. It will run full speed
@@ishaisher will mame 2003 on rp2 run outrun at full speed?
@@erikd6124 With mame 2003 it will not run full speed but with Mame 2000 core it will run perfectly. The problem with this core is it sometimes exits Retroarch when trying to load a rom. It's like lottery, sometimes it loads and sometimes it exit the app.
I will go for the retroid. It has the video output
If your chasing a portable console, the Retroid Pocket 2 is awesome. Bluetooth controller options, its a great porta-console.
The rgb10 is CLEARLY the winner here. No argument.
Wait it doesn't actually have rgb never mind...
Well technically it has a color screen with red green and blue so its not completely false branding. Also I finally got around to plugging the Retroid Pocket 2 into my main TV via HDMI and all I can say is, it looked like ass. The resolution on the big screen was horrible / blurry, it was cropping some of the edges of the screen (may have been a TV setting I needed to tweak) and a bluetooth controller had a lot of input lag. Definitely not something I would choose to do on a regular basis. For me thats not a worthwhile selling point but others may disagree.
Common they cost almost the same... How can you choose an inferior device over the RP2? The RP2 costs less and does and has more. Dislike.... Also, the RGB10 is a 13Ghrz but overclocked to 1.5.
Go to Taki UA-cam channel. He has charts showing all games running good on retroid pocket 2. Change emulators
Clean yo fingernails!
Agreed! I noticed when editing the footage and was almost at the point of re-shooting the entire thing with cleaner nails. In the end I thought it would not be worth it, but I will definitely lift my fingernail game for the next video! Might have to get a manicure treatment haha.