Good to see a coach embracing Mo Norman ideas about the Golf swing, starting the backswing 6\10 inches behind the ball eliminates so many takeaway mistakes. More amateur's should adopt the one plane swing as well.
the reason Moe held his club well behind the ball was that he was once told, "most errors in golf are made in the first 12" of the backswing"...so he took "out" the error by starting well behind the ball...so he said...
Fantastic. I'm a very visual learner and the stick showing the rotation of the chest matching the club path after impact is spot on. A new subscription for me to follow.
Hi Russell, I watched all Moe's video's many years ago and tried/persevered with the swing - It was great when it worked, but many a time it would not, so I had to go back to the common golfers swing to save face! But it was nice seeing you taking notice of the great man!
Thanks for sharing. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Norman at a course not 5 kilometers from home. He was an amazing ball striker - SO pure - effortless!
I liked your descriptions, comments and descriptions of Moe Norman'S swing- found it the best description of why he always seemed sideways when he addressed the ball. In upstate New York I still have plenty of time to work on your suggestions.
Russell, I have been doing this for a year now but with the addition of lead forearm pronation at the "address" position so the club is way open. This presets my wrist position at the top and slightly laid off. All I need to do then is turn back and through and release. High draw. This works for my very short backswing.
Wow Russel. Your way of teaching really brings it home for me. Great tallent. Going to the indoor range tonight to try this out. Many thanks and keep ‘‘em coming 😊 🏌️♂️
I take it a little further of what you describe. I get into setup, hinge wrists as you briefly describe. With eliminating takeaway, wrist angle set I simply turn shoulders and let it go. Started out as a drill now I’ve incorporated it into my playing swing with takeaway to the wrist angle set a brief pause and then shoulder turn to a 3/4 top of swing then down.
Congrats on getting to 100k. Started watching your videos last fall,really enjoyed them. I have learned quite a lot. I have same problem with slower swing that you have. Sucks getting older. I would love to try the Callaway driver if I would be picked. Thank you, and thanks for all your videos.
The title may sound like click bait, but it is not. I started out with the traditional swing, and after 6 months of practice and help from my friend with a 2hdcp I simply could not make it all work - too many things to go wrong. I nearly quit golfing, I'd spent so much money and time and could barely even play. I came across a Moe video around that time and got curious. Next thing I know, I'm 6 months down the road and my handicap has dropped by 14 strokes, from +28 to +14. My buddies were very interested to know how I had managed that, and were actually surprised that the single plane swing actually works, most thought it was a gimmick. They think I dropped 14 strokes in 6 months because I'm either lying or have a natural talent, but neither of those things are the case - I'm actually just a regular dude that found the easiest way to swing the club, but that's a hard thing to accept when you've always thought that the traditional swing was the only way to get an optimal strike. (IMO, the traditional swing is inefficient and too complex. Just because it's possible to execute and lots of people do it well, doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that there's no other method that could produce better results while requiring less energy and reducing strain on the body)
What I've been doing lately is when I've set up my club and I bought my hands forward I bring the club face back so my hands are at the level of the ball and striking like that. I've seen a massive improvement in accuracy and distance by making this change. Moe Norman has been right all along.
Of all your videos I think this one will help the most people - what you didn't mention is that this drill can also be beneficial with the Driver for those looking to learn to hit up on the ball because it helps the brain realize that the club should be bottoming well behind the ball and then moving up and into the ball. For the iron swing, it absolutely helps reduce the arms independent movement & it helps you understand how to swing with your back
Thanks Russell, I love the idea of the right arm rotating over the ball so that at impact, the shoulders are turned towards the target. As you said, without shoulder rotation, the arms end up being thrown towards the ball. My question is, at impact, how much should the shoulders be turned? The shoulders are not parallel to the target line obviously and they are not 90 degrees to the target line though I suspect they nearly are for some of the very top ball strikers. What should I be aiming for and it there a drill to help me work this out?
Russell’s lesson here will benefit the average traditional swing practitioner, though it doesn’t and isn’t the why or the how of what Moe Norman did. Here’s two aspects to clarify, Moe’s club position at address was the result of keeping his hands at the bottom of the swing arc, and regarding shoulder position at impact, Moe’s shoulders were square, parallel, to the target line at impact. His swing was different and much easier and more accurate than the traditional swing. I learned this from Moe himself in 1994 when I started teaching his method.
Nice video Russell. I know you are explaining this as a drill, but Moe kept the club back there (5-6") with his arms straight and roughly the heel of the club lined up with the ball at address. That way when his trail arm was folded in the downswing, that decrease in width of the arc delivered the club to the back of the ball consistently.
I saw Moe once and he was definitely an oddity. He had a bristly personality not wasting words on niceties. He didn’t look like a prototypical golfer, as he was not very tall, and stocky, almost pudgy. But boy he could hit a golf ball straight down the fairway!
Years ago I was having a problem taking my putter straight back. Sometimes too outside or inside. I start my putter 4-5 inches back and it completely solved it…
This is not a drill as you propose. It's the single plane swing which for those who aren't caught up in the macho golf ego b.s. will benefit from. I went to the single plane swing years ago and improved my accuracy and lowered my score significantly. It's a break with the traditional golf swing that weekend golfers will never master. You also have to have the guts to utilize this principle without allowing the golfers around you to scorn you for attempting something new. Dedicate yourself to the single plane swing and let you golf scores do the talking.
Tip. When I watch instruction improvement videos. I notice many instructors start off by showing the wrong way. I don't want to know the wrong way first. Show me the CORRECT way first so I know what to do right before I know what to do wrong.
The drill may be great but no connection what Moe Norman did at address. Moe set up behind the ball because of his side tilt His club is square to target line at address not open in a pre turn or hinge. The distance behind the ball is determined by the trail leg stance width. Wide for a driver, furthest back, narrowest for a wedge, closest to the ball.
Russell, this is wrong. The reason Moe’s clubhead was behind the ball is due to two factors: 1) sidebend 2) club pointed to the pivot point Moe fixed the special problem of the golf swing, that is, he established himself on the impact plane by the two factors I previously mentioned. You’re just taking a conventional approach without sidebend and standing too close to the ball and artificially placing the arms behind the ball. Because of this you don’t actually get the benefits of the physics of the single plane swing. Meaning, you don’t get the extension which is related to pivot point, and you don’t get a golf swing which is actually returning to the single plane, or, impact plane. You see this in the fact that your trail foot still lifts. It has to because you’re still in a conventional set up too close to the ball and addressed underneath your impact plane. You can prove this to yourself by looking at the difference between your address and impact, you will see a lift of the shaft which means you are under the single plane and not where Moe was. 70 percent of what moe did was in the address, it’s scientifically measurable to the single plane and that cascades certain effect throughout the motion which the conventional swing just doesn’t have. Im sorry but what you’re showing is not at all what moe did.
Good post, but I disagree. I’ve studied Moe Norman like a college course. Moe even stated, when asked, that he does that to eliminate the troublesome backswing - where most golfers make critical errors. In other words, he did it to shorten the backswing.
I know these golf videos are free but i wish all they would say is 1.do this 2. Do this 3.do this and as they are saying it demonstrate it. Thats all. I think all these videos are designed to confuse so everyone continues to watch.
You may as well use the entire Single Plane method. You see how impossibly complicated you have made the golf swing? I can show ANYONE the single plane in 2 minutes and after 3 swings your hitting the ball dead straight.
I never make it more than half way through your videos, you start well, it seems like it’s going to be interesting but then it gets bogged down and you lose me.
He won over 50 tournaments in Canada, including the Canadian Amateur. he did play in a few PGA Tournaments including two masters but had problems being accepted and trouble on greens he did not know. I believe a 14th place finish was the best he did on the PGA Tour.
@@msherer260 yea he won tournaments that were easier. I’m not saying he wasn’t a good player, shit he’s better than I’ll ever be, but the cult following he has doesn’t make sense to me. I could think of 100 players off the top of my head that you’d be better off copying.
Good to see a coach embracing Mo Norman ideas about the Golf swing, starting the backswing 6\10 inches behind the ball eliminates so many takeaway mistakes. More amateur's should adopt the one plane swing as well.
agreed...no need to "create space" at impact.
the reason Moe held his club well behind the ball was that he was once told, "most errors in golf are made in the first 12" of the backswing"...so he took "out" the error by starting well behind the ball...so he said...
Fantastic. I'm a very visual learner and the stick showing the rotation of the chest matching the club path after impact is spot on. A new subscription for me to follow.
Hi Russell, I watched all Moe's video's many years ago and tried/persevered with the swing - It was great when it worked, but many a time it would not, so I had to go back to the common golfers swing to save face! But it was nice seeing you taking notice of the great man!
Vid I watched yesterday was all about not bending the trail arm too much and keeping it wide in the downswing. Gotta love golf!!!
Video coming up in couple of days will clear this all up
Thanks for sharing. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Norman at a course not 5 kilometers from home. He was an amazing ball striker - SO pure - effortless!
I liked your descriptions, comments and descriptions of Moe Norman'S swing- found it the best description of why he always seemed sideways when he addressed the ball. In upstate New York I still have plenty of time to work on your suggestions.
Spring is still over a month out but plenty to work on at the outdoor range or indoor dome in bad wx your tips are helpful and much appreciated
It is really a controlled block. Feels so solid when done properly. I had a lesson years ago about a controlled block and it was magic.
Russell, I have been doing this for a year now but with the addition of lead forearm pronation at the "address" position so the club is way open. This presets my wrist position at the top and slightly laid off. All I need to do then is turn back and through and release. High draw. This works for my very short backswing.
Wow Russel. Your way of teaching really brings it home for me. Great tallent. Going to the indoor range tonight to try this out. Many thanks and keep ‘‘em coming 😊 🏌️♂️
I take it a little further of what you describe. I get into setup, hinge wrists as you briefly describe. With eliminating takeaway, wrist angle set I simply turn shoulders and let it go. Started out as a drill now I’ve incorporated it into my playing swing with takeaway to the wrist angle set a brief pause and then shoulder turn to a 3/4 top of swing then down.
Mike smart love what you describe, what about lining the ball toward the hosel like Moe did? If I don’t, I tend to hit towards the toe
I like the drill in keeping your arms in the needed position for impact.
John Erickson talked about this drill. I started doing it last year. It's a fantastic drill. John knew and played with Moe in Canada.
Congrats on getting to 100k. Started watching your videos last fall,really enjoyed them. I have learned quite a lot. I have same problem with slower swing that you have. Sucks getting older. I would love to try the Callaway driver if I would be picked. Thank you, and thanks for all your videos.
This one is a game changer!! Thanks so much, you’re a legend🙏
It is. Doing this today, I couldn’t NOT draw the ball with every club. EVERY SHOT.
This is a great lesson! I can slice with The Greatest!!
This will help a lot
Awesome video. One of your best. The hinge is so important.
Great tip. Thx Ron
Sama apply to driver ? Thanks
The title may sound like click bait, but it is not.
I started out with the traditional swing, and after 6 months of practice and help from my friend with a 2hdcp I simply could not make it all work - too many things to go wrong. I nearly quit golfing, I'd spent so much money and time and could barely even play. I came across a Moe video around that time and got curious. Next thing I know, I'm 6 months down the road and my handicap has dropped by 14 strokes, from +28 to +14. My buddies were very interested to know how I had managed that, and were actually surprised that the single plane swing actually works, most thought it was a gimmick. They think I dropped 14 strokes in 6 months because I'm either lying or have a natural talent, but neither of those things are the case - I'm actually just a regular dude that found the easiest way to swing the club, but that's a hard thing to accept when you've always thought that the traditional swing was the only way to get an optimal strike.
(IMO, the traditional swing is inefficient and too complex. Just because it's possible to execute and lots of people do it well, doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that there's no other method that could produce better results while requiring less energy and reducing strain on the body)
Works well with driver making it easier to hit up on the ball for greater distance. I have used it playing at times when my swing gets out of sync.
What I've been doing lately is when I've set up my club and I bought my hands forward I bring the club face back so my hands are at the level of the ball and striking like that. I've seen a massive improvement in accuracy and distance by making this change. Moe Norman has been right all along.
Of all your videos I think this one will help the most people - what you didn't mention is that this drill can also be beneficial with the Driver for those looking to learn to hit up on the ball because it helps the brain realize that the club should be bottoming well behind the ball and then moving up and into the ball. For the iron swing, it absolutely helps reduce the arms independent movement & it helps you understand how to swing with your back
Thanks Russell, I love the idea of the right arm rotating over the ball so that at impact, the shoulders are turned towards the target. As you said, without shoulder rotation, the arms end up being thrown towards the ball. My question is, at impact, how much should the shoulders be turned? The shoulders are not parallel to the target line obviously and they are not 90 degrees to the target line though I suspect they nearly are for some of the very top ball strikers. What should I be aiming for and it there a drill to help me work this out?
Russell’s lesson here will benefit the average traditional swing practitioner, though it doesn’t and isn’t the why or the how of what Moe Norman did. Here’s two aspects to clarify, Moe’s club position at address was the result of keeping his hands at the bottom of the swing arc, and regarding shoulder position at impact, Moe’s shoulders were square, parallel, to the target line at impact. His swing was different and much easier and more accurate than the traditional swing. I learned this from Moe himself in 1994 when I started teaching his method.
simply very good
Nice video Russell. I know you are explaining this as a drill, but Moe kept the club back there (5-6") with his arms straight and roughly the heel of the club lined up with the ball at address. That way when his trail arm was folded in the downswing, that decrease in width of the arc delivered the club to the back of the ball consistently.
…and the clubface square to the target.
Hey Darren, regarding that lining up the ball with the heel/hosel do you notice strikes toward the toe if you don’t?
@@openstenosis yes, you have to line the club opposite the heel (roughly)
@@darrenfitzpatrick5331 This makes sense. But do your arms need to be straight at address or can you set up on the heel with ‘normal’ arms?
I saw Moe once and he was definitely an oddity. He had a bristly personality not wasting words on niceties. He didn’t look like a prototypical golfer, as he was not very tall, and stocky, almost pudgy. But boy he could hit a golf ball straight down the fairway!
I think this might be one of the best drills to feel the slot I've seen yet!!
Brilliant!!
Years ago I was having a problem taking my putter straight back. Sometimes too outside or inside. I start my putter 4-5 inches back and it completely solved it…
No club should go “straight back”
Messaged you online concerning video lessons. Thanks!
Dang...it looks SO easy watching you.
Would this work with a driver
This works with every club in the bag.
OK, I'll sort of do that.
when you set up like Moe your lead wrist is in a flatter position now you only need to hinge upwards no wonder he hit it so straight :)
This is not a drill as you propose. It's the single plane swing which for those who aren't caught up in the macho golf ego b.s. will benefit from. I went to the single plane swing years ago and improved my accuracy and lowered my score significantly. It's a break with the traditional golf swing that weekend golfers will never master. You also have to have the guts to utilize this principle without allowing the golfers around you to scorn you for attempting something new. Dedicate yourself to the single plane swing and let you golf scores do the talking.
Tip. When I watch instruction improvement videos. I notice many instructors start off by showing the wrong way. I don't want to know the wrong way first. Show me the CORRECT way first so I know what to do right before I know what to do wrong.
The drill may be great but no connection what Moe Norman did at address.
Moe set up behind the ball because of his side tilt
His club is square to target line at address not open in a pre turn or hinge. The distance behind the ball is determined by the trail leg stance width. Wide for a driver, furthest back, narrowest for a wedge, closest to the ball.
What did he say?
Russell, this is wrong.
The reason Moe’s clubhead was behind the ball is due to two factors:
1) sidebend
2) club pointed to the pivot point
Moe fixed the special problem of the golf swing, that is, he established himself on the impact plane by the two factors I previously mentioned.
You’re just taking a conventional approach without sidebend and standing too close to the ball and artificially placing the arms behind the ball. Because of this you don’t actually get the benefits of the physics of the single plane swing. Meaning, you don’t get the extension which is related to pivot point, and you don’t get a golf swing which is actually returning to the single plane, or, impact plane. You see this in the fact that your trail foot still lifts. It has to because you’re still in a conventional set up too close to the ball and addressed underneath your impact plane. You can prove this to yourself by looking at the difference between your address and impact, you will see a lift of the shaft which means you are under the single plane and not where Moe was.
70 percent of what moe did was in the address, it’s scientifically measurable to the single plane and that cascades certain effect throughout the motion which the conventional swing just doesn’t have. Im sorry but what you’re showing is not at all what moe did.
Good post, but I disagree. I’ve studied Moe Norman like a college course. Moe even stated, when asked, that he does that to eliminate the troublesome backswing - where most golfers make critical errors. In other words, he did it to shorten the backswing.
Close to the A swing move away ? David LEADBETTER
Good work on the facial hair! Makes your instruction seem to have more oomph. Like, "That beard would not mislead me!"
I know these golf videos are free but i wish all they would say is 1.do this 2. Do this 3.do this and as they are saying it demonstrate it. Thats all. I think all these videos are designed to confuse so everyone continues to watch.
Running out of superlatives for the video titles
I wish you would refrain from the clickbait titles and instead use meaningful descriptions.
You may as well use the entire Single Plane method. You see how impossibly complicated you have made the golf swing? I can show ANYONE the single plane in 2 minutes and after 3 swings your hitting the ball dead straight.
I never make it more than half way through your videos, you start well, it seems like it’s going to be interesting but then it gets bogged down and you lose me.
I stopped doing this many years ago. This... is a good way to screw your back up...
So much yak yak yak. Just get to the point
tooooo repetitive get on w it my man
Moe Norman was so good and accurate that he never won anything.
He won over 50 tournaments in Canada, including the Canadian Amateur. he did play in a few PGA Tournaments including two masters but had problems being accepted and trouble on greens he did not know. I believe a 14th place finish was the best he did on the PGA Tour.
@@msherer260 yea he won tournaments that were easier. I’m not saying he wasn’t a good player, shit he’s better than I’ll ever be, but the cult following he has doesn’t make sense to me. I could think of 100 players off the top of my head that you’d be better off copying.