But they had experience in the past when they can actually knock people out and throw 95mph pitches. But trainers that are like 25-30 and look like shit just cant pull my attention
Yeah I think that's when personal judgment comes into play. You should be able to tell when someone knows what they're talking about or just spewing bullshit.
They´re talking about personal trainers at the gym, and they should look regardless of their age (there are people that are 60+ that look amazing still)
True with M. Huang comments. Almost all coaches was once an athlete themselves, so maybe injury and age took a toll on their body, but their experiences and wisdom help the current players now. When I see a young trainers that is obese and no material on their hands, they need to be fired.
As a personal trainer myself. I think looks is important. You dont want to go to a gym and have a guy with a beer belly tell you how to improve, it just doesnt come off right. It's like having a sellsman walk up to your door with sweatpants and a tank top. Being fit is almost like a a dress code for personal trainers...atleast in my opinion.
Insertnamesz / Punocchio Ofc not, im not saying they may not have the knowledge to help. But first impression is key. Especially when trying to teach someone. Hell my old man is an old body builder and has a bit of a gut now. Still knows a crap load about working out.
Plague Doc That's different. if he can show pics of how he looked. Then that shows he has incredible knowledge. Not only does he know how to do it. He also has decades of experience to pass on.
As a personal trainer (and competitive powerlifter) myself, I also frequently encounter clients with injuries that prevent them from immediately being able to barbell back squat, bench press, and deadlift. For these clients, you have to know how to use alternatives (e.g. split squat instead of back squat) or regress exercises (bodyweight squat onto above-parallel box), and implement corrective/mobility work where needed. Get them to their goals, whatever it takes. If you just write them off as "they suck" and you are unable to empathize with their circumstances, then you deserve to lose them to other more dedicated trainers.
they arent talking about the gym vets who have gotten older and lost what they had. theyre talking about the out of shape fucks who have never been jacked
I agree with what you say about coaches knowing a lot more and having a lot of knowledge however, I agree with what Geo says too about appearance and how you market yourself. Would you want consultant advice for your business from someone who is dressed up in sweats and a hoodie or would you want the guy who is dressed very professionally in a suit? The guy in the casual clothes could have the wisdom for the ages but you would always be super weary of what he says like is this guy legit??
Not necessarily but I feel like someone who has been through the experience of losing weight, bulking or w.e can give better advice than some trainer who has not.
Well a good argument can be made 4 aesthetics not really being about performance. They are different aims with some overlap. A guy who has a lot of specialist knowledge about power-lifting and making 2% improvements to lifts (in a sport where that matters) wont give as good advice as a bodybuilder when it comes to aesthetics. (I may be wrong) :)
In my Humble opinion if a Personal Trainer is Fat or doesn't look good now but has extensive knowledge I'm willing to listen but Honestly, again this is just my opinion, if the trainer was never really in shape in like their 20s-30s. They've never had a physique I would have admired at one point in their lives, then it really takes me out of listening to em. I'm sure they've gone to colleges and learned so much but to me I feel I actually learn more from people who practice what they preach or have at least practiced what they've preached. I can't take a Fat dude seriously telling me how to get six pack abs if he's never once had them. Again that was just my own personal thoughts. For example AHNOLD may not look how he did when he was younger and even though he was on the juice I'd listen to some advice cause I knew the physique he once had.
Did Mr. Miyagi look like he could teach Daniel LaRusso how to master the arts of karate? I dont think so, but he still taught Daniel how to kick ass #waxonwaxoff
If a personal trainer isnt in shape, I can AUTOMATICALLY be certain of 1 thing. They have no motivation....and if they cant motivate themselves then how in the hell can they motivate u.
Part of being a personal trainer is learning to motivate your client to want to continue pursuing their fitness goals. Anyone who is successful in their fitness goals stick with it, and that is essentially a huge component of being a personal trainer. It goes beyond just the actual taking a person through the machines. Also, you can't really say someone "looks like shit, they shouldn't be training." Do you know their back story? Maybe they've lost a significant amount of weight and are leading a healthier lifestyle now, and teaching others to do the same. Is that not success? A good personal trainer is one that inspires another person to be better. A good personal trainer is one being able to help people achieve their fitness goals, despite any limitations. A good personal trainer is one who motivates another person to continue leading a healthier life. That is a good personal trainer, regardless of the physical appearance of the personal trainer. If he or she possess knowledge and can help others, then who is anyone to judge?
I really love these discussion videos. You guys have a great dynamic and it makes the topic very interesting even though I'm not even into weight training and all that
Personal trainers are like basketball coaches. They look like they never played a game of basketball in their life but they can coach like second nature.
This is the problem. A lot of people who are new to or never exposed to working out only think about training for aesthetics with the usual 8-12 reps. They don't know there is more to working out than just body part splits with high reps, not that there is anything wrong with that.
Its the credibility and discipline thing. Some trainers look like crap because they aren't balancing their own training(and nutrition) with their clients. Too busy. Some have underlying health issues and/or poor genetics. It boils down to this.. You don't need to look like a fitness model(etc) to be visually credible as a trainer! Many people are actually intimidated by trainers that are "too impressive" anyhow. You merely need to look reasonable. Moderately muscled and (especially!) a decent bodyfat %
Electro If their advice is valid, sure. If you're speaking of a male with 10 inch arms then that is a certainly a profoundly underdeveloped male musculature. However you need to take into account any genetic abnormalities, illness etc etc as to the contributing factors as to why they have very little development. Not just totally discrediting them based on their appearance. Human nature makes this challenging though..
marketing is very important, but there are definitely some people that are born teachers and are very good at passing on knowledge. Depends on the individual trainer tbh.
You can take notes upon notes on how to swim, but the person who actually jumps in the water and learns from experience is going to be more qualified and experienced to teach. Having the knowledge and no application is pointless. You might be able to learn from someone who knows what they're talking about, but charging for the advice is unethical. Looking at the PTs and how they train in the gyms I use really disheartens me. The odd 1/10 looks good and gives solid advice, other PTs are not coachable and act like "know it all"'s while looking like any other person. I can honestly say that I can probably train their clients better than them while not even being that strong or having any credentials (I've only trained a few friends and they've made huge results in a short period of time), but I'll feel sick charging them because I have no solid background or even look that aesthetically pleasing
I agree with both sides of the issue, but I think the most frustrating issue that I see in gyms are personal trainers that are simply not knowledgeable enough to give the advice they are preaching. I work at a gym where several of the PT's there are convinced that you should stop 3 inches above your chest on bench. It's the face-palm of all face-palms, and they are preaching this crap among others and people take it at face value because they are "the personal trainers"
If you have long arms its good to stop 2 inches above your chest because you dont need that much range of motion, if you go past what youre suppose to be going you can mess up your shoulders, but if those trainors are telling everyone to stop at 2 inches then theyre
Tea Why Jelly You've never met anyone who's injured his or her anterior deltoid from benching before? That's like... the #1 common injury from bench hahah
Insertnamesz / Punocchio your first mistake is taking advice from CJ and the twins...go read some legitimate articles on powerlifting and exercise science/phys. While they are entertaining, their advice is not gospel. I would bet that the reason 95% of people hurt themselves benching is because those same 95% likely don't touch their chests haha. Not allowing the joint to go through its full range of motion (the shoulder girdle) is similar to half squatting (the knees and hips)
these 3 right here + bart have inspired me to start weight training. I have gone from 135 to 151lbs at 6 foot. working on making it to 165 and shredded. awesome people for sure. watched some of these videos 10 times.
I think it takes a little disconnect for a coach to be good. He will make you do shit that you would never do and he doesn't fully understand how much it sucks or seems ridiculous, but he makes you do it anyway. It might not apply to something like powerlifting, but like my old wrestling coach for example. He hadn't workout in probably 20 years. He made us do all of this fucking insane workout, like stupid hard. He probably didn't understand how ridiculous or even dangerous some of them were. But because of the disconnect he made us do them. And I think it made us better. Maybe it just fucked us up physically, but it made us mentally tougher. I don't know if ya know what I'm saying. But I think it takes a little disconnect.
There's all kinds of people who aren't shredded with PhD's in exercise physiology, biomechanics, etc. who their advice on form, nutrition, etc. is 100% more correct and scientifically accurate, compared to a bro at the gym(which is what most PT's are), who might be shredded, but don't know jack shit about hormonal reaction to food, or the most efficient means of inducing hypertrophy. These fitness guru's mostly propagate a lot of incorrect information because they read a study, and either took something out of context, or just couldn't wrap their head around it, or just used a shitty study with no controls, and it ends up confusing the general public. This in my opinion is a large contributor to the obesity epidemic in the western world. If you want real advice, seek someone with an education. If not, google will teach you more than that clown at your commercial gym can.
Haha.. Loved this video! I've been NASM certified for six years now and I've seen so many "trainers" that look like out of shape donut salesmen. There's one "trainer" i know that literally sits on a plyo box never moving while he trains that looks like he weighs 300lbs. I've always seen being a trainer as motivation to stay in the best shape possible.
I agree with both sides. A personal trainer doesn't need to be extremely fit or muscular to coach other people. He/she just needs the knowledge and the coaching skills to train someone. However, most people that have that sort of knowledge usually also have lots of experience. It's unlikely that a person would have much knowledge, without the body or the records that would come with the experience in order to gain the knowledge. Read it twice.
I think an argument Lu could have made is this: You are looking for a personal trainer and you come across two in your area. One is super fit and looks great, but you know nothing about his skills or training ability/experience. Another one is fat and looks unhealthy, but you've heard from multiple friends that he's a great trainer, you see that he's trained many people in his training career, and they have all been successful. Which one would you choose? Obviously the fat one.
***** Why does he have to be injured? And crossfit is entirely different then gym training. So you're just exagerating to make a point. I would chose a 22 year old very fit guy over a 55 year old who's never been in good shape in his life.
Physique is good for marketing but in no way should reflect the quality of the trainer. I know trainers who work 60+ hours a week with clients leaving them no time to actually focus on themselves. There are trainers that put in loads of work on themselves but were dealt a not so great hand when it comes to genetics and physique. I, myself, am a trainer that not only teaches several clients on a daily basis but also am a full time university student. Like they say, don't judge a book by it's cover. A trainer that's out of shape but happy with their body is A LOT better than a trainer that's in shape and always unsatisfied with themselves. Getting a 6 pack is a lot easier than learning the biomechanics of functional movement and implementing various kinetic principles to exercises. A buff trainer can be like "do tricep extensions and focus on your tris" while an unfit can be like "isolate the elbow joint and move on it's axis of rotation while focusing on the contraction of the tricep in order to complete an extension." Brains over brawn.
you shouldn't judge a book by its cover because I recently got into weight lifting and fitness and I started off by going to the gym with my big bro who's looks very large,ripped and muscular but he gets tired quick makes excuses not to go and Even though I'm still really fat and don't look muscular I can do his gym routine easy now and, but recently decided to go with my big sis who's 4ft10inch and looks in shape but not really ripped and she's on a whole other level she doesn't lift as much but she lifts more than most guys and with her help its helping me get into better shape than with my bro, my brothers good but not a great teacher where's my sis can do it shows u how ,and can improve on what you lack
At my old gym there was personal trainer,a guy, and he was about 5' 5" with a muffin top belly and flabby arms. He looked like he never went to the gym in his life to lift and his office smelled like lasagna every single day.
I have a gut and I'm about 20% BF. With that being said I've spent a big portion of my life training. I have a lot of knowledge, practice and life lessons on strength training. I've trained with some big names, and have met great people. Am I a crappy personal trainer because I don't look a certain way? Should I be shunned because I don't have visible abs? I think not. People who judge someone by their body, and only their body are shallow. Look at Louie Simmons from west side barbell he doesn't have aesthetic looks, but he's still an amazing coach with a great track record. My point is quit judging people by the way they look. Let their education and knowledge be the deciding factor.
based jol Ronnie Coleman deadlifts 800 pounds. Now tell me how many powerlifters can do that? 5%? probably more like 1% or even less if you factor in all the recreational powerlifters. So that statement is completely false. Strength and being lean can go hand in hand. As many powerlifters have shown in recent years. Bodybuilders can train like a powerlifters. and powerlifters do in fact do bodybuilding exercises in moderate rep ranges.
Any powerlifter that's the size of Ronnie Coleman can deadlift at least 900, so that's around 12% better than one of the strongest if not the strongest bodybuilder ever.
Hey guys love your videos keep them coming. I got a question. Is it still alright to work out with a stuffy nose and a cough? Cuzz I'm sick right now but I haven't been to the gym in like a week and I really want to go work out.
I go to a 24 and I have to agree, marketing yourself, aesthetically, important, but at globo-gyms, you don't have to worry because they are just funneled to you. If you were a self-employed personal trainer who did not have any type of desired body type, it would be hard for you to find work.
When someone judges by appearance, it's a logical fallacy. It's called false appeal to authority. As a trainer that just left a big box gym, it's all about how you look and are perceived. If you have a sparkling and non-threatening personality, think cheerleader or tough cheerleader, then people will flock to that trainer, especially women. If you look super jacked because of whatever reason then people will flock to that trainer. If you look okay but can get a bunch of people to advanced levels of squat and deadlift then you might have a shot. I got a girl to deadlift 260 for 5 sets of 5 and not one person ever asked me how I got her to that level or to train them. Not one... The general public is fucking stupid and never wants to admit needing help. They appeal to authority because that appeals to their emotion and desire to look the way they want to look, which overcomes objections.
So I am a new certified personal trainer. And I'm glad to say I'm healthier than I was before I even considered this career path. I knew when I consider this is a career path I had to start eating healthy working-out excetera and while I'm not muscular by any means I'm not like superhero level muscular I am a lot healthier. That said I don't think I would even listen to someone even at my worst how to eat how to work out if they didn't look remotely healthy like we're talkin blob level and telling me to eat healthy and workout healthy. I atleast m at a normal weight for my BMI and I'm starting to form muscles which is really nice. I still got a ways to go but at least I walk the walk and talk the talk
Is that even a question? OF COURSE YOU NEED TO BE IN SHAPE! You have to SET AN EXAMPLE, you ARE YOUR OWN PRODUCT. Anyone can take a pt course, get certified and start. If you don't look the part then find another gig cause this won't work out at all (no pun intended). Not to mention no one will take you seriously.
I agree with Alex on the topic of not needing to gain weight to gain strength. Look at Maxx Chewning or the smaller guy from Masstethics (his name slips my mind at the moment.) They both weigh 160-175 and deadlift 585-615. Granted, gaining weight will shoot the bench weight up like nothing!
Some of the greatest trainers in personal training and sports are out of shape looking people who look like they walked off the street. Granted, usually this happens because of old age, but try to never judge a book by it's cover.
It's based on feedback, if someone tells you this guy is a great PT however he looks like shit then tells you another guy is a shit PT but looks great and aesthetic, who are you going to choose really? If you achieve your goals with the shit looking PT but not with the aesthetic one, which one is better?
I agree. If a trainer is knowledgeable and knows how to get people in shape, why not apply that to themselves to look good? Everyone has different types of bodies so not everyone will have that perfect body shape you see in the movies or magazines. But at least they should look decent enough that when you look at them you can tell they take care of themselves and therefore know something about fitness.
I think if you look the part: ie training for strength = you look big; training for aesthetics = you're shredded, and if you're taking advice from a personal trainer, its more of an ASSURANCE type thing. like "ill take his advice because look, it worked for him."
you can be genetically skinny or the muscular body type... so many things can contribute to that for example being a mesomorph... so judging a trainer just because they are SLIGHTLY unfit (I'm not saying overweight or obese) is kinda skewed... also i think the education and the experience matters as well when looking for a personal trainer.. but i understand what you guys are saying... also there are people that don't want to destroy their metabolism in effort to LOOKING like a model... i think when people think of PT's they go to the extreme like thinking of amanda bucci or christian guzman... some people want to have a life other than fitness or they can't afford do make their life about fitness but still have the physiological, kinetic and conceptual knowledge to be a PT. There are "trainers" these days that look the way they do cause of roids or anavar. They have no knowledge of safe and effective training that can be used at any age group. majority of them don't focus on body rehabilitation and muscle proprioception - things that we as humans use every day but don't properly focus on. Stop the BS and judgment. Your intellect makes you a PT not the size of your waist. Go be a fitness model if you want to obsess about your waist!
Love the constant burns on each other! I agree with Geo in that the initial appearance of the person is what will hook people but at the end it's the know how. I remember my track and field sprint coach looked like the Michelin Man but did that guy know how to train athletes! In an ideal world, it should be practice what you preach. :)
I can Completely agree with you on not enjoying training people who are not willing to put in the effort to make the changes they want to achieve. Training is my passion and my escape at times even. Its not a hobby its a love, I gave up personal training in a global style gym because that took the fun out of it for me. I LOVE working with athletes or even just those with the drive to get it done or to improve. but its hard to enjoy spending 75% of the time trying to talk someone into not only doing the workouts or movements correctly, but wanting to do them at all. I practice what I preach and I look the part because of that. The first step towards change its deciding you want to make that change, its not impossible but its certainly a lot harder to help someone reach their goals when they haven't decided they really WANT it yet.
There are two sides the coin here . you can be knowledgeable and not be in shape and still be a good trainer. But being in "shape" and being knowledgeable is better than being out of "shape". There is a dichotomy between being an athletic and being a trainer or coach , and you need to approach it from a different mindset completely. Having that understanding of what the athletic is going through and what kind of mindset that athletic has can improve the coaches abilities to help the athletic to meet their goals. On the flip side you can be a good athletic and be a horrible personal trainer as displayed by Alex. Although it's always important to practice what you preach and as I've learned over the years as a trainer that you shouldn't recommend exercises or advice you personally wouldn't use on yourself. Also being jacked and tanned helps makes sales too.
i totally get the not taking a fat trainer serious thing but kinda like a coach of some other sport, they usually aren't that athletic and can't even come close to matching the athleticism of those that they teach, but they're able to teach the form and still help someone. the batting coaches for home run hitters usually can't replicate what they teach, they just know how to teach form and observe. often times the players can't coach even though they have all the physical skill. it's all psychological but if you can get past the trainers man tits and just be there to learn something, you might be able to improve yourself which should be the main goal in the first place.
Can anyone reply to me. How can Bart manage his time to go to the gym,do just kidding films stuff and handle the gym at the same time !? I only have university and after a workout I feel too tired to even go to university stuff its annoying me any advice? Is it diet related or you'll always be tired but just have to take a nap and continue or what?? Thank you!
This is like thinking doctors don't get sick or psychologists don't have their own mental issues. You can preach and teach, don't necessarily need to practice at the same level.
The guy on the right is completely right I'm surprised you guys argued against him. Many people are gifted in being able to teach but some just cant perform the actions. Ex: Some of the best golf coaches aren't in the PGA but yet they teach the best of the best.
I lost 20kg last year and I still have another year or two on my journey but I am currently training to become a pt, and I know I won't care about what people think about because if they are willing to listen they will know about my journey and see me leading by example to prove I know what I am doing so too bad, some people are to picky. yes I agree it does help if they look like they know what they are doing, but if they are leading by example no matter what they look like what is the problem?
It's not about marketing and presentation what you guys are arguing about is credentials. Geo and Alex think looking a certain way or maintaining a certain level of fitness gives the trainer credibility, while Lu is saying the person's resume and past successes is the better form of credential. I think Lu is more right on this one. Most if not all great coaches in any sport are not those in the prime of their games
A great boxing coach Doesn't need to still be knocking people out, a great baseball coach doesn't need to pitch 95 mph, but he can teach you how to.
Never thought about it that way
But they had experience in the past when they can actually knock people out and throw 95mph pitches. But trainers that are like 25-30 and look like shit just cant pull my attention
Yeah I think that's when personal judgment comes into play. You should be able to tell when someone knows what they're talking about or just spewing bullshit.
They´re talking about personal trainers at the gym, and they should look regardless of their age (there are people that are 60+ that look amazing still)
True with M. Huang comments. Almost all coaches was once an athlete themselves, so maybe injury and age took a toll on their body, but their experiences and wisdom help the current players now. When I see a young trainers that is obese and no material on their hands, they need to be fired.
As a personal trainer myself. I think looks is important. You dont want to go to a gym and have a guy with a beer belly tell you how to improve, it just doesnt come off right. It's like having a sellsman walk up to your door with sweatpants and a tank top. Being fit is almost like a a dress code for personal trainers...atleast in my opinion.
That's exaclty what I think
Great point! But conversely, if said salesman in sweats and a tank is able to give me the deal of a life time, I wouldn't turn him down.
Insertnamesz / Punocchio Ofc not, im not saying they may not have the knowledge to help. But first impression is key. Especially when trying to teach someone. Hell my old man is an old body builder and has a bit of a gut now. Still knows a crap load about working out.
Plague Doc That's different. if he can show pics of how he looked. Then that shows he has incredible knowledge. Not only does he know how to do it. He also has decades of experience to pass on.
As a PT... best words to follow ''Lead by example''
JaseDBZ I've seen some great PTs that look like shit, but most PTs look lean.
+Berumen85 yeah but i mean you can't be out of shape at least be lean as a pt.
As a personal trainer (and competitive powerlifter) myself, I also frequently encounter clients with injuries that prevent them from immediately being able to barbell back squat, bench press, and deadlift. For these clients, you have to know how to use alternatives (e.g. split squat instead of back squat) or regress exercises (bodyweight squat onto above-parallel box), and implement corrective/mobility work where needed. Get them to their goals, whatever it takes. If you just write them off as "they suck" and you are unable to empathize with their circumstances, then you deserve to lose them to other more dedicated trainers.
Alex and Lu need a UA-cam channel together fo real!!!
***** Yes, please. And thank you.
***** It's great!
For sure!!!
***** That's a nice hobby. Who wouldn't?
***** okay
I totally disagree, football and basketball coaches can't play but doesn't mean they don't know more about about the game then some star players
But 99.999999999% of basketball/football coaches have played the game at some point in their life.
99% of the people that dish out advice even tho they might not be jacked have lifted weights at some point in their life too so my analogy stands.
they arent talking about the gym vets who have gotten older and lost what they had. theyre talking about the out of shape fucks who have never been jacked
I agree with what you say about coaches knowing a lot more and having a lot of knowledge however, I agree with what Geo says too about appearance and how you market yourself. Would you want consultant advice for your business from someone who is dressed up in sweats and a hoodie or would you want the guy who is dressed very professionally in a suit? The guy in the casual clothes could have the wisdom for the ages but you would always be super weary of what he says like is this guy legit??
well said mr. pickle. Well said
I completely disagree with geo here and agree with Lu, which is rare. Knowledge is completely unrelated to performance.
***** yeah but my point is that physical aesthetics isn't a necessity for good training.
Not necessarily but I feel like someone who has been through the experience of losing weight, bulking or w.e can give better advice than some trainer who has not.
Well a good argument can be made 4 aesthetics not really being about performance. They are different aims with some overlap. A guy who has a lot of specialist knowledge about power-lifting and making 2% improvements to lifts (in a sport where that matters) wont give as good advice as a bodybuilder when it comes to aesthetics. (I may be wrong) :)
I read some books on fitness one time, gained some knowledge.
So you would rather learn to drive car from someone who just theoretically knows how to drive a car rather than who actually drives a car?
Can you guys invest in clip on mics?
Get em Peter! Get Em!
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Bart! For future episodes, you could improve on audio, lots of echo from the large area :)
In my Humble opinion if a Personal Trainer is Fat or doesn't look good now but has extensive knowledge I'm willing to listen but Honestly, again this is just my opinion, if the trainer was never really in shape in like their 20s-30s. They've never had a physique I would have admired at one point in their lives, then it really takes me out of listening to em. I'm sure they've gone to colleges and learned so much but to me I feel I actually learn more from people who practice what they preach or have at least practiced what they've preached. I can't take a Fat dude seriously telling me how to get six pack abs if he's never once had them. Again that was just my own personal thoughts. For example AHNOLD may not look how he did when he was younger and even though he was on the juice I'd listen to some advice cause I knew the physique he once had.
Did Mr. Miyagi look like he could teach Daniel LaRusso how to master the arts of karate? I dont think so, but he still taught Daniel how to kick ass #waxonwaxoff
If a personal trainer isnt in shape, I can AUTOMATICALLY be certain of 1 thing. They have no motivation....and if they cant motivate themselves then how in the hell can they motivate u.
I love this format of videos! Keep on doing them!
One Day I'll move to Cali, and workout with these guys.
Barbell Brigade is my dream.
Veylerz Help who? Anybody in general?
Part of being a personal trainer is learning to motivate your client to want to continue pursuing their fitness goals. Anyone who is successful in their fitness goals stick with it, and that is essentially a huge component of being a personal trainer. It goes beyond just the actual taking a person through the machines. Also, you can't really say someone "looks like shit, they shouldn't be training." Do you know their back story? Maybe they've lost a significant amount of weight and are leading a healthier lifestyle now, and teaching others to do the same. Is that not success? A good personal trainer is one that inspires another person to be better. A good personal trainer is one being able to help people achieve their fitness goals, despite any limitations. A good personal trainer is one who motivates another person to continue leading a healthier life. That is a good personal trainer, regardless of the physical appearance of the personal trainer. If he or she possess knowledge and can help others, then who is anyone to judge?
Keep this up. I'm totally digging this series guys!
Try add bart to these videos I wanna hear his opinions lol
I really love these discussion videos. You guys have a great dynamic and it makes the topic very interesting even though I'm not even into weight training and all that
Personal trainers are like basketball coaches. They look like they never played a game of basketball in their life but they can coach like second nature.
This is the problem. A lot of people who are new to or never exposed to working out only think about training for aesthetics with the usual 8-12 reps. They don't know there is more to working out than just body part splits with high reps, not that there is anything wrong with that.
Its the credibility and discipline thing. Some trainers look like crap because they aren't balancing their own training(and nutrition) with their clients. Too busy. Some have underlying health issues and/or poor genetics. It boils down to this.. You don't need to look like a fitness model(etc) to be visually credible as a trainer! Many people are actually intimidated by trainers that are "too impressive" anyhow. You merely need to look reasonable. Moderately muscled and (especially!) a decent bodyfat %
Very well said Sam!
Thank you! That's what I do! Check me out and see and hear if its all true..
Very true
sam bergstein It sounds very reasonable. But would you trust someone with 10 inch arms to teach you how to gain muscle?
Electro If their advice is valid, sure. If you're speaking of a male with 10 inch arms then that is a certainly a profoundly underdeveloped male musculature. However you need to take into account any genetic abnormalities, illness etc etc as to the contributing factors as to why they have very little development. Not just totally discrediting them based on their appearance. Human nature makes this challenging though..
I think it's so funny when Geo gets so hype her accent comes out. Lol
GIVE BARBELL ITS OWN CHANNEL!
marketing is very important, but there are definitely some people that are born teachers and are very good at passing on knowledge. Depends on the individual trainer tbh.
Geo's two cents is on point.
You can take notes upon notes on how to swim, but the person who actually jumps in the water and learns from experience is going to be more qualified and experienced to teach. Having the knowledge and no application is pointless. You might be able to learn from someone who knows what they're talking about, but charging for the advice is unethical. Looking at the PTs and how they train in the gyms I use really disheartens me. The odd 1/10 looks good and gives solid advice, other PTs are not coachable and act like "know it all"'s while looking like any other person. I can honestly say that I can probably train their clients better than them while not even being that strong or having any credentials (I've only trained a few friends and they've made huge results in a short period of time), but I'll feel sick charging them because I have no solid background or even look that aesthetically pleasing
7:54 SHOTS FIRED! LOL
It is a pain when people want to get trained but claim all sorts of injuries.. stop creating bs obstacles!
I agree with both sides of the issue, but I think the most frustrating issue that I see in gyms are personal trainers that are simply not knowledgeable enough to give the advice they are preaching. I work at a gym where several of the PT's there are convinced that you should stop 3 inches above your chest on bench. It's the face-palm of all face-palms, and they are preaching this crap among others and people take it at face value because they are "the personal trainers"
If you have long arms its good to stop 2 inches above your chest because you dont need that much range of motion, if you go past what youre suppose to be going you can mess up your shoulders, but if those trainors are telling everyone to stop at 2 inches then theyre
Wrong
Raul Cuevas where are you "supposed to be going" ? and where did you find this information? I promise that this is incorrect...haha
Tea Why Jelly You've never met anyone who's injured his or her anterior deltoid from benching before? That's like... the #1 common injury from bench hahah
Insertnamesz / Punocchio your first mistake is taking advice from CJ and the twins...go read some legitimate articles on powerlifting and exercise science/phys. While they are entertaining, their advice is not gospel. I would bet that the reason 95% of people hurt themselves benching is because those same 95% likely don't touch their chests haha. Not allowing the joint to go through its full range of motion (the shoulder girdle) is similar to half squatting (the knees and hips)
Man, Geo and Lu are always at opposite ends... Ha ha! :P
love this channel, relates to everythin i wanna just know about or hear out other peoples opinions! keep it up guys
The guy on the far right got owned hahaha
these 3 right here + bart have inspired me to start weight training. I have gone from 135 to 151lbs at 6 foot. working on making it to 165 and shredded. awesome people for sure. watched some of these videos 10 times.
mark rippetoe, great strength coach, has belly... Starting Strength is awesome.
love these types of vids
Alex and Lu should be guests on JKNews. They're hilarious.
what happened to napolean cho?
I think it takes a little disconnect for a coach to be good. He will make you do shit that you would never do and he doesn't fully understand how much it sucks or seems ridiculous, but he makes you do it anyway. It might not apply to something like powerlifting, but like my old wrestling coach for example. He hadn't workout in probably 20 years. He made us do all of this fucking insane workout, like stupid hard. He probably didn't understand how ridiculous or even dangerous some of them were. But because of the disconnect he made us do them. And I think it made us better. Maybe it just fucked us up physically, but it made us mentally tougher. I don't know if ya know what I'm saying. But I think it takes a little disconnect.
There's a few personal trainers in my gym, who need a personal trainer.
There's all kinds of people who aren't shredded with PhD's in exercise physiology, biomechanics, etc. who their advice on form, nutrition, etc. is 100% more correct and scientifically accurate, compared to a bro at the gym(which is what most PT's are), who might be shredded, but don't know jack shit about hormonal reaction to food, or the most efficient means of inducing hypertrophy. These fitness guru's mostly propagate a lot of incorrect information because they read a study, and either took something out of context, or just couldn't wrap their head around it, or just used a shitty study with no controls, and it ends up confusing the general public. This in my opinion is a large contributor to the obesity epidemic in the western world.
If you want real advice, seek someone with an education. If not, google will teach you more than that clown at your commercial gym can.
You can read about learning how to shoot a basketball, have a PHD in it, but if you arent in the gym shooting youre missing a big part of it
How do you train people with injuries?
Had to cut the video after a minute. Acoustics everywhere in this bitch
Haha.. Loved this video! I've been NASM certified for six years now and I've seen so many "trainers" that look like out of shape donut salesmen. There's one "trainer" i know that literally sits on a plyo box never moving while he trains that looks like he weighs 300lbs. I've always seen being a trainer as motivation to stay in the best shape possible.
I agree with both sides. A personal trainer doesn't need to be extremely fit or muscular to coach other people. He/she just needs the knowledge and the coaching skills to train someone. However, most people that have that sort of knowledge usually also have lots of experience. It's unlikely that a person would have much knowledge, without the body or the records that would come with the experience in order to gain the knowledge. Read it twice.
Im confused... Isn't Lu, Nadeem? (probs spelled it wrong)
oh man have i been waiting for a video on this topic hahah
I think an argument Lu could have made is this: You are looking for a personal trainer and you come across two in your area. One is super fit and looks great, but you know nothing about his skills or training ability/experience. Another one is fat and looks unhealthy, but you've heard from multiple friends that he's a great trainer, you see that he's trained many people in his training career, and they have all been successful. Which one would you choose? Obviously the fat one.
***** Why does he have to be injured? And crossfit is entirely different then gym training. So you're just exagerating to make a point. I would chose a 22 year old very fit guy over a 55 year old who's never been in good shape in his life.
My motto when i first joined the gym was "if it hurts im doing it right". Because I knew getting somewhere is never easy.
dsgrsggjgfj lol that motto can fuck up yours joints
being a successful trainer is about 1/3 knowing your shit, 1/3 looking good, and 1/3 being personable.
Ooooh geo eyebrows looking on fleek
LOOKING GOOD = Attracts clients
KNOWLEDGE = keeps clients
a bit like taking health advice from your doctor lol
Physique is good for marketing but in no way should reflect the quality of the trainer. I know trainers who work 60+ hours a week with clients leaving them no time to actually focus on themselves. There are trainers that put in loads of work on themselves but were dealt a not so great hand when it comes to genetics and physique. I, myself, am a trainer that not only teaches several clients on a daily basis but also am a full time university student. Like they say, don't judge a book by it's cover. A trainer that's out of shape but happy with their body is A LOT better than a trainer that's in shape and always unsatisfied with themselves. Getting a 6 pack is a lot easier than learning the biomechanics of functional movement and implementing various kinetic principles to exercises. A buff trainer can be like "do tricep extensions and focus on your tris" while an unfit can be like "isolate the elbow joint and move on it's axis of rotation while focusing on the contraction of the tricep in order to complete an extension." Brains over brawn.
you shouldn't judge a book by its cover because I recently got into weight lifting and fitness and I started off by going to the gym with my big bro who's looks very large,ripped and muscular but he gets tired quick makes excuses not to go and Even though I'm still really fat and don't look muscular I can do his gym routine easy now and, but recently decided to go with my big sis who's 4ft10inch and looks in shape but not really ripped and she's on a whole other level she doesn't lift as much but she lifts more than most guys and with her help its helping me get into better shape than with my bro, my brothers good but not a great teacher where's my sis can do it shows u how ,and can improve on what you lack
At my old gym there was personal trainer,a guy, and he was about 5' 5" with a muffin top belly and flabby arms. He looked like he never went to the gym in his life to lift and his office smelled like lasagna every single day.
I wish I lived in L.A. the Barbell Brigade crew looks dope and shredded
I have a gut and I'm about 20% BF. With that being said I've spent a big portion of my life training. I have a lot of knowledge, practice and life lessons on strength training. I've trained with some big names, and have met great people. Am I a crappy personal trainer because I don't look a certain way? Should I be shunned because I don't have visible abs? I think not. People who judge someone by their body, and only their body are shallow. Look at Louie Simmons from west side barbell he doesn't have aesthetic looks, but he's still an amazing coach with a great track record. My point is quit judging people by the way they look. Let their education and knowledge be the deciding factor.
why not look aesthetic and be strong
Hmm.. Why not?
based jol true :/. Sport specific training sucks..sigh
based jol Ronnie Coleman deadlifts 800 pounds. Now tell me how many powerlifters can do that? 5%? probably more like 1% or even less if you factor in all the recreational powerlifters. So that statement is completely false. Strength and being lean can go hand in hand. As many powerlifters have shown in recent years. Bodybuilders can train like a powerlifters. and powerlifters do in fact do bodybuilding exercises in moderate rep ranges.
based jol Ever heard of Steve Cook? He was benching mid 300s in high school. Not to mention he's one of the most aesthetic people around today.
Any powerlifter that's the size of Ronnie Coleman can deadlift at least 900, so that's around 12% better than one of the strongest if not the strongest bodybuilder ever.
Hey guys love your videos keep them coming. I got a question. Is it still alright to work out with a stuffy nose and a cough? Cuzz I'm sick right now but I haven't been to the gym in like a week and I really want to go work out.
i chose a trainer who looked how i wanted to look
gotta agree with lu on this one
Professors with all those PhDs and degrees were great listeners, but that doesn't mean they are great teachers.
WOULD YOU ASK ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER FOR LIFTING ADVICE?????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
honestly, no
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yes, i would
I go to a 24 and I have to agree, marketing yourself, aesthetically, important, but at globo-gyms, you don't have to worry because they are just funneled to you. If you were a self-employed personal trainer who did not have any type of desired body type, it would be hard for you to find work.
When someone judges by appearance, it's a logical fallacy. It's called false appeal to authority. As a trainer that just left a big box gym, it's all about how you look and are perceived. If you have a sparkling and non-threatening personality, think cheerleader or tough cheerleader, then people will flock to that trainer, especially women. If you look super jacked because of whatever reason then people will flock to that trainer.
If you look okay but can get a bunch of people to advanced levels of squat and deadlift then you might have a shot. I got a girl to deadlift 260 for 5 sets of 5 and not one person ever asked me how I got her to that level or to train them. Not one... The general public is fucking stupid and never wants to admit needing help. They appeal to authority because that appeals to their emotion and desire to look the way they want to look, which overcomes objections.
I agree with Lu. Performance and knowledge are two different things.
my right hand is my personal trainer
So I am a new certified personal trainer. And I'm glad to say I'm healthier than I was before I even considered this career path. I knew when I consider this is a career path I had to start eating healthy working-out excetera and while I'm not muscular by any means I'm not like superhero level muscular I am a lot healthier. That said I don't think I would even listen to someone even at my worst how to eat how to work out if they didn't look remotely healthy like we're talkin blob level and telling me to eat healthy and workout healthy. I atleast m at a normal weight for my BMI and I'm starting to form muscles which is really nice. I still got a ways to go but at least I walk the walk and talk the talk
I'm studying to become a personal trainer and I dislike those personal trainers who don't actively do the lifestyle they promoto...
Is that even a question? OF COURSE YOU NEED TO BE IN SHAPE! You have to SET AN EXAMPLE, you ARE YOUR OWN PRODUCT. Anyone can take a pt course, get certified and start. If you don't look the part then find another gig cause this won't work out at all (no pun intended). Not to mention no one will take you seriously.
I agree with Alex on the topic of not needing to gain weight to gain strength. Look at Maxx Chewning or the smaller guy from Masstethics (his name slips my mind at the moment.) They both weigh 160-175 and deadlift 585-615. Granted, gaining weight will shoot the bench weight up like nothing!
Some of the greatest trainers in personal training and sports are out of shape looking people who look like they walked off the street. Granted, usually this happens because of old age, but try to never judge a book by it's cover.
It's based on feedback, if someone tells you this guy is a great PT however he looks like shit then tells you another guy is a shit PT but looks great and aesthetic, who are you going to choose really? If you achieve your goals with the shit looking PT but not with the aesthetic one, which one is better?
I agree. If a trainer is knowledgeable and knows how to get people in shape, why not apply that to themselves to look good? Everyone has different types of bodies so not everyone will have that perfect body shape you see in the movies or magazines. But at least they should look decent enough that when you look at them you can tell they take care of themselves and therefore know something about fitness.
I agree with Lu. What matters in the end is if your making gains or not??good advice is good advice! Doesn't matter what form or shape it comes in?
yo bart left , hahahaha they were gonna have an actual fight on camera
Why and where can I find it if it's a video?
+Bart's Farts You're an idiot he is lying
+Ryan Kueter if u watch the video they made before this they were clearly irritating eachother then in this one he is gone , 2 +2=4
yo what you are talking about has nothing to do with what I am talking about
I think if you look the part: ie training for strength = you look big; training for aesthetics = you're shredded, and if you're taking advice from a personal trainer, its more of an ASSURANCE type thing. like "ill take his advice because look, it worked for him."
you can be genetically skinny or the muscular body type... so many things can contribute to that for example being a mesomorph... so judging a trainer just because they are SLIGHTLY unfit (I'm not saying overweight or obese) is kinda skewed... also i think the education and the experience matters as well when looking for a personal trainer.. but i understand what you guys are saying... also there are people that don't want to destroy their metabolism in effort to LOOKING like a model... i think when people think of PT's they go to the extreme like thinking of amanda bucci or christian guzman... some people want to have a life other than fitness or they can't afford do make their life about fitness but still have the physiological, kinetic and conceptual knowledge to be a PT. There are "trainers" these days that look the way they do cause of roids or anavar. They have no knowledge of safe and effective training that can be used at any age group. majority of them don't focus on body rehabilitation and muscle proprioception - things that we as humans use every day but don't properly focus on. Stop the BS and judgment. Your intellect makes you a PT not the size of your waist. Go be a fitness model if you want to obsess about your waist!
Love the constant burns on each other! I agree with Geo in that the initial appearance of the person is what will hook people but at the end it's the know how. I remember my track and field sprint coach looked like the Michelin Man but did that guy know how to train athletes! In an ideal world, it should be practice what you preach. :)
Lu always doing his hair
I can Completely agree with you on not enjoying training people who are not willing to put in the effort to make the changes they want to achieve. Training is my passion and my escape at times even. Its not a hobby its a love, I gave up personal training in a global style gym because that took the fun out of it for me. I LOVE working with athletes or even just those with the drive to get it done or to improve. but its hard to enjoy spending 75% of the time trying to talk someone into not only doing the workouts or movements correctly, but wanting to do them at all. I practice what I preach and I look the part because of that. The first step towards change its deciding you want to make that change, its not impossible but its certainly a lot harder to help someone reach their goals when they haven't decided they really WANT it yet.
That brown guy totally missed the whole point of the debate lol
Personally I think the opposite is worse and far more common, trainers who are in shape but do not actually know nearly enough to teach others
The echo is really distracting. Mic them up or use a better camera mounted mic/boom mic
There are two sides the coin here . you can be knowledgeable and not be in shape and still be a good trainer. But being in "shape" and being knowledgeable is better than being out of "shape". There is a dichotomy between being an athletic and being a trainer or coach , and you need to approach it from a different mindset completely. Having that understanding of what the athletic is going through and what kind of mindset that athletic has can improve the coaches abilities to help the athletic to meet their goals. On the flip side you can be a good athletic and be a horrible personal trainer as displayed by Alex. Although it's always important to practice what you preach and as I've learned over the years as a trainer that you shouldn't recommend exercises or advice you personally wouldn't use on yourself. Also being jacked and tanned helps makes sales too.
Bart, Why are you not in these vids?
hes the director hopefully we'll see a cameo
Yall need to move locations. It's echoey as hell in there
Here is my take: a PT don't have to look crazy ripped what he does have to have is RESULTS show me what you can do by showing past clients results
my high school wrestling coach was over weight but could outsprint the football teams running backs and receivers.
i totally get the not taking a fat trainer serious thing but kinda like a coach of some other sport, they usually aren't that athletic and can't even come close to matching the athleticism of those that they teach, but they're able to teach the form and still help someone. the batting coaches for home run hitters usually can't replicate what they teach, they just know how to teach form and observe. often times the players can't coach even though they have all the physical skill. it's all psychological but if you can get past the trainers man tits and just be there to learn something, you might be able to improve yourself which should be the main goal in the first place.
Can anyone reply to me.
How can Bart manage his time to go to the gym,do just kidding films stuff and handle the gym at the same time !?
I only have university and after a workout I feel too tired to even go to university stuff its annoying me any advice?
Is it diet related or you'll always be tired but just have to take a nap and continue or what??
Thank you!
I understand Lu's point. But I'm with Geo & Alex on this one.
"those who can't do will teach instead."
This is like thinking doctors don't get sick or psychologists don't have their own mental issues. You can preach and teach, don't necessarily need to practice at the same level.
Hany Rambod?
The guy on the right is completely right I'm surprised you guys argued against him. Many people are gifted in being able to teach but some just cant perform the actions. Ex: Some of the best golf coaches aren't in the PGA but yet they teach the best of the best.
Do you guys ship worldwide? I want to buy all the different clothes. *sorry if my English is bad*
I lost 20kg last year and I still have another year or two on my journey but I am currently training to become a pt, and I know I won't care about what people think about because if they are willing to listen they will know about my journey and see me leading by example to prove I know what I am doing so too bad, some people are to picky. yes I agree it does help if they look like they know what they are doing, but if they are leading by example no matter what they look like what is the problem?
It's not about marketing and presentation what you guys are arguing about is credentials. Geo and Alex think looking a certain way or maintaining a certain level of fitness gives the trainer credibility, while Lu is saying the person's resume and past successes is the better form of credential. I think Lu is more right on this one. Most if not all great coaches in any sport are not those in the prime of their games
There are world class boxing, MMA, wrestling, etc trainers out there that are out of shape. It's all about the knowledge.