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The Rebirth Of The Aeldari Gods - 40K Theories
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2021
- During the events of The Fall, all but three gods of the Aeldari Pantheon would be destroyed and consumed by the Chaos God Slaanesh. But with Ynnead - the nascent god of the dead beginning to take form within the depths of the warp, is it in any way possible for the Aeldari to create an entirely new pantheon of gods with which to take their revenge upon She Who Thirsts?
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Well this is going to be a fun one. Hope Remleiz is feeling better.
What happened Remleiz?
@@wwpark got sick.
GW has sort of left Ynead in the lurch. I'm thinking Isha would have the best chance of resurgence especially in the wake of the Emperor genuinely wounding Nurgle.
Wait what?? Did emps wound nurgle??
@@svedishbiker Not directly, but yes. If I remember correctly, it was during the culmination of the Plague Wars.
@@UncleMikeDrop i kinda hope Isha can escape the cage she is in and start a Revolution in the garden and maybe save some of the deathguard... you know for some Aeldari styled marines lol
@@michaelhawkins1237 But would she actually leave though? While it is true that Nurgle is holding Isha captive, she is able to provide the material universe the means of curing Nurgle's plagues while he is using her for his experiments.
@@michaelhawkins1237 What would she call them? The Lifeguards?
Oh boy, possibly Khaine vs Khorne round 2? Also hope everything's fine, Remleiz
@Thisis Gettinboring it was more like he should get the right to own or devour khaine not out of and compassion also khaine was fragment in the fight between khorn and she who thirst
Ain't gonna happen buddy, universe is just gonna stay as stagnant (and frankly getting ever more boring because of it) as ever.
Here's an idea: we know the Emperor made some type of deal to make the Primarchs, and that they are not wholly of the material realm. What if they were made with the fragments of the Eldar gods? For an example, I could easily see Vulcan being a reborn Vaul...
Ooooh, now THAT is a tasty concept! I can't imagine how Yvraine might react to that knowledge if she had access to it... it might well destroy the tentative co-operation between the Ynnari and Imperium! Both sides pretty well blame the other for a lot of Chaos' shit after all, this would definitely be a point of contention.
Although... if Roboute turned out to be "Asuryan embodied", things could well be a lot more complicated. The possibilities are boundless. :)
If we were to apply this logic to the others, I could see Morai Heg being associated with Magnus, and Kurnous being associated with the Khan.
Addendum:
Fulgrim being made with a shard of Asuryan makes almost too much sense when you consider the shared phoenix symbolism and fate with Slaanesh. That Slaanesh chose a Primarch who goes by monikers such as "Palatine Phoenix" and "Phoenician" seems too coincidental _not_ to be a mockery of the Aeldari's loss of their Phoenix King by She Who Thirsts
I have long considered the loyal primarchs to be originally based on the winds of magic from fantasy. In case you are unaware each wind of magic has a strong connection to a emotional/philosophy needed to use them. Such as the wind of heaven with planning and foresight, or fire magic being isit's opposite and being used by more impulsive people (like Vulcan). Furthermore the eldar sometimes state that their gods made them. It's possible that before the chaos gods we know now exist, that effectively far weaker gods based upon those the simple ideas were more prevalent. And as such simple "mutated" the eldar into what they are today. Afterwards the "died" and what you described happened.
Now that would have really interesting possibilities to it, and would open up a way to bring back dead Primarchs (in a way) ala the Avatar of Khaine. (Which is summoned to life via sacrifice after all...) Plus it would give the Eldar something to hold over the Emperor's head to get him to help Isha out. (You're a barely living skeleton on life support, she's a goddess of life. Do the fething math as to why you should get that done.)
I believe that. I’d probably say they aren’t all eldar gods, but maybe someone like Jaghati is, because of his connection with cegorach and other eldar.
It's possible that slaanesh after consuming the gods of the eldar, she would keep them alive but in a constant state of pain, torment and isolation as either a show of her power or an act for her own enjoyment. Regardless if they are still alive, then the exposure to slaanesh's dark energies may have corrupted maybe even past the point of no return.
I Imagine Mortarion, seeking redemtion by setting the goddess of healing free. either losing his life in the process or being bound to her to keep living.
A primarch bound to an eldar goddess… oh the fuckery that could cause the galaxy. I love it
The Eldar gods being reborn or implanted as living Eldar? That's.... actually very fascinating.
Im getting very strong age of sigmar "the great elven heroes became the new pantheon" vibes from this. Hoping gw mixes it up a little and takes us off guard with a lore drop on the aeldari pantheon. Great video though! Hope you're feeling better soon rem!
Thanks for no noti UA-cam.
Anyways, UA-cam fuckery aside, The rebirth of the eldar gods would be a huge event. That would honestly shake the landscape of 40k in massive ways. It would be interesting to see the gods reactions to the eldar and dark eldar. It also would be interesting to see if the gods would retain their memories and personalities, or if they would have been warped by their millennia inside of Slaanesh.
The possiblity of some eldar being the reincarnation of their gods is also rather interesting, in that it would be worth seeing if these specific eldar could unlock their memories or powers. If these eldar ascend in someway would their personalities change to match those of their original, perhaps sacrificing "themselves" to be born once again as their original forms, or would they retain themselves and simply take on the full aspects of the god? Lots and lots of questions.
Anyways, great video you two! I hope you are feeling better rem, and it's always nice to hear you voice stuff Naerina
I would hope that at least one Eldar God would choose to sacrifice themselves to let the new incarnation retain their sense of self and become a new god of that aspect. It'd be especially poignant if Asurian pulled a 'This is my atonement for my failure to protect my people, don't make the same mistake.' given the title he has.
I am glad to hear Stephanie Swan Quil has decided to collaborate into another 40k narrative
I hope you are doing better health-wise Remleiz
I'm not, but I appreciate your concern and well-wishes nonetheless
@@40KTheories Refuah shelama ( get well soon)
@@40KTheories Were the Aeldari gods old-ones or beings created by faith, like the chaos gods and big-E's ascension?
@@bankotsu2a As I understand it, they were weapons made by the Old-ones (nothing says they can't be made by imbuing an old one mind you.) specifically to lead and empower their witch species for the War in Heaven. Post war, they drifted from their original design because they're immaterium beings and so belief shapes them.
@@Sorain1 Cool thanks 👍 Is this from a novel or rule book?
Naerina talking about Lady Malys was hoping for a slight accent change or maybe a hoh here or there
Same here
But if the Aeldari gods got revived , would they still be the same or become radically different from their original forms?
I'd imagine they'd be a lot more warlike in order to combat the chaos gods, kind of like how Aleriel gets a new war form in AoS.
Well yeah they can’t stay same after the whole got eaten thing.
I've always found it interesting that the Old Ones created the Aeldari, but the Aeldari worshipped gods that were in their own image. Most real-life (admittedly human) religions worship their "creators." In one of his videos, Luetin described the Eldar gods as psychic weapons, given to the Eldar by the Old Ones, which would imply that the Eldari gods would exist regardless, with or without Aeldari worship, although it's probable that the god's power would be boosted by it. I have to wonder if Slaanesh is simply preventing the Eldar from accessing the gods. Also, Khaine was kind of an asshole, his relationship(?) to Khorne is part of that, but I wonder if there's a reason why the four (sometimes five?) Chaos gods are so much more powerful than other chaos entities, and if that reason has to do with the Old Ones using the warp in their warfare: Obviously the blood god is useful for war, but so is strategy (Tzench) and even disease (Nurgel.)
Slaanesh is probably one attempt to make another god that went very wrong.
And they depend on worship to some extent, but are probably fed passively through eldari existence.
But yeah, probably slaanesh prevents access to those gods and all ancestors.
It's almost certain that those gods are made of ancestors, as that's basically how they are making ynead.
The chaos gods are more powerful than others due to them feeding of very primal emotions, others are seemingly not able to devour similar amounts of psychic energy from mortals and hence are weaker. At least that is how I would read it.
@@lloydgush I alway consider slaanesh to exist in a more peaceful form before becoming a chaos god. But because the Aeldari murder party, Proto- Slaanesh was affected, drugged and go crazy. She went though metamorphasis to mirror reality, unless there another Eldar goddess of love exist before that I don't know about
The Aeldari need some love to be sure, I wish GW and BL didn't do them dirty all the time like they do, I'm a sucker for Ynnari or Harlequins content and it would be nice to see them win something for a change that doesn't involve a mountain of their own people dying. I hope you are able to feel better soon! Stay safe.
I've always felt the Pheonix Lords were slowly growing into a new pantheon. There's just not enough Eldar to pull it off.
I feel like Rem made this because he mentioned the eldar on his plot holes video and hopefully we will get some more of any xenos even tho I like humans more then anything else just a bit of xenos makes the universe more colorful
"just a bit of xenos" that is literally it humans dominate Warhammer it's literally just a bit
Great video as always! Feel better Remleiz!
And YOU. Have a great day😉😁
Sure hope Rem is feeling better!!
Hi Naerina!
It would be good if the Eldar race had some good news for once. It feels like the last 30 years things have gone from bad to worse and when their is a glimmer of hope it becomes nothing more then a wish. If GW can bring back a Primarch they can bring back someone or something positive for the Eldar too. I've been a fan of the Eldar since 1994 and I patiently wait the day that they are more then just a footnote in the annals of history.
They won't have any good news, everything that's currently happening is just gonna be undone or be a one time thing.
Knowing GW (and apparently allot of people not liking that the emperor is awake) are most likely gonna kill off the yvarine, yvain, guilliman and have the emperor go back to sleep and everything be as it once was.
@@delta2372 as loud as the haters are, there a significantly more people who like seeing the setting progress than those who dont. More people=more money=the emperor stays awake and maybe the eldar can have something nice for once.
@@delta2372 the emperor is awake? Holy shit. I’ve been away from the lore for a few years and a lot seems to of happened!
@@KiyokaMakibi don't get your hopes up, knowing GW it will go back to the stale constant war status quo :/
@@delta2372 Doesn't it always? xD
Always a great day when 40k Theories upload a video.
Fascinating speculation. Hope Remleiz is feeling better soon. Good video:)
Hope your feeling better Remleiz
How would yo wake the Lion? I would probably use a bucket of cold water.
I imagine Guilliman walking up to the sleeping beauty and giving him a power fist enhanced slap to the face.
I'd find out where in the Rock Luther hid his record player and take the looping *Tokens* record off of it.
Sperately from my more topic-related comment yesterday I wish to say thank you. I was stuck with the writing of my current Aeldari story. And even though I'm not working on this particular topic, the video and comments made me think about the fluff again, and one thought leads to another and got me out of it so that I can continue (or, actually, really start). So thank you again for your work. And get well as soon as possible, Remleiz.
Hope you recover without any complications Remleiz
Could be very interesting.
Too bad GW is not going to advance the “storyline” anytime soon.
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🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
I will step
this is awesome, also I hope Isha will protect ManKind from this cursed Virus going on soon
ive always kinda seen her as a god of the innocent no matter the species since her imprisonment
What if she made her own belekor type demin prince for the Eldari.
You know Isha is fiction right?
I know this is naive of me and beyond the possibilities but anyways.
I always imagine that once Big E has been ressurected as a more powerful God of Humanity he will not only bring his 21 Demigod Sons but also forge an alliance with the surviving Eldar Gods and the Necron's Silent King to battle the Chaos Gods and the Tyrannid Hive Mind.
C'Tan shattered into shards, Aeldari gods being shattered into fragments.
Almost seems like there is a connection there somewhere...
2:05 - The Craftworlders being one such group, who were protected from this corruption by their isolation.
I love the idea of Khaine and Khorne being gym buddies
Not going to lie, this kind of makes me interested about a certain topic.
:What the hell were the Orcs doing when the old ones went extinct?
In the lore they kind of just make it like the Eldar almost completely were Untouched by them so they could go about their debauchery making slaanesh when in actuality there would have been giant system-wide "wagghs" with them to the point they would have been no time to create slaanesh
As for the bs GW recently pulled with the last Chrome sword going to slaanesh, technically we could see kaldor draigo steal it because obviously he has to be overpowered and do everything perfectly while being out of his mind on warp dust.
what little I've read on the subject of the orks (krork?) at the time was that the eldar were at such a peak of power, that they could keep the orks basically as a complete non-issue. swooping in to disrupt them before any real waagh or threat could emerge.
Get better soon buddy. Tell Raenia ty for filling in and she did an awesome job!
the narrator deserves a VA roles in space audiobooks
Remleiz is the closest thing to a father I've ever had
Im @4:16 and im already gonna say i love the narrator and naration of events
Naerina also regularly narrates the Homebrew... series, and has done a few other theory/lore vids too. Check out her narration on our video about Makari the Grot.
A great narration from the Ordos Mom!
Awesome vid as always! Get well soon, Remleiz!
Wow… she is back! Awesome
Everyone: GODS EXIST!
Tau: only the greater good exists
Woots! 40k theories vid! I hope you get better Rem!
Hmm.... maybe the Harlequins have to enact the BIGGEST play, ever to be imagined, so the whole galaxy trembles in laughter *tadaa* Cegorach reborn :D
Thanks we need more aeldari content!!!
Believe me, I want to do more Aeldari stuff. If you have any ideas for potential topics regarding them, let me know ^^
@@40KTheories a video on the city of commorragh would be awesome! Also some content for the individual eldar gods would be great too. Some dedicated series going really in depth about the webway would be super interesting
I really do hope you better soon Rem
But I really don't mind all these Naerina narrated videos 😁
The question is are the Aeldari gods natural entities or tulpa's created by the Eldar race for the war in heaven, if it's the latter they may just not have the population to rebuild them to their past glory.
In godblight when G man and co are talking about the gods and the various types and way of their creation. The eldar present talk about a theory that the eldar gods was the first eldar ascend into goodhood (much like big e) during the war
Like your vids!
Thank you
10:00 So _That_ explains the “oh-hon-hon! Bazinga!” ! 😅
Sounds like a nightmare for the death watch this is exact kind of situation they try to stop from happening the first time
Oh this renewed my love of 40K ! Great video. Nice to here this ladies voice reading to me about my favorite Race. I hope she does one for the Tau and the Orks. Aloha.
Naerina did narrate a video about Makari the grot a few months ago if you missed it ^^
Wild theory here: There could be a connection between gathering the mortals representing the gods and the crone swords. We have Malys who represents Cegorach, Eldrad as Morai-Heg (or I could also see Asuryan himself), maybe Yriel as Khaine, and there could be more. Maybe they're meant to wield the swords, or maybe in an ultimate leap of faith, die upon them so Ynnead can make them reborn as the Aeldari gods?
Been a while since I last watched a 40k Theories video so I forgot how Remleiz sounded.
Much more feminine than what I recall
Amazing as always 😊
*Insert TTS bit about how Khorn and Kain are basically the same*
Something just occurred to me. When the Necrons decided to retreat and hibernate, were the ancient Aeldari not concerned about the fact that the enemy they'd been fighting had disappeared? That they might be hiding somewhere? Or did the Necrons pull a Sith by making them think they'd gotten everybody?
Awesome video, hope Remleiz is doing well.
Man Emperor of Mankind: I am not a God! How many times do I have to tell those Ecclesiarchy nutters!?
Ahriman will kick down the door to the Black Library and find out it's just Aaron Demsky Bowden's office.
10:17 You heard it here first folks, Sensari coming soon!
I think that Cegorach's long game is to reunite the Eldar kindreds, hence his people maintaining contact with all of them - in addition to their job being to make sure that no-one repeats the mistakes of the Fall. I believe that the consciousnesses of the old Eldar gods could still exist within Slaanesh, and that they could theoretically be liberated by killing Slaanesh. I also think that the original idea of Ynnead was as a god of the dead born when enough Eldar souls had gathered together within the protection of the Craftworld Infinity Circuits.
I'm not sure what's going on now, but I would rather not have Ynnead be a mishmash of three gods, one of whom is apparently still alive. So ... well, Ynnead rising up and killing Slaanesh with the vengeance of millions of dead Eldar, freeing the gods and perhaps even themselves, that would be my preference. Other people will have others, of course!
Yeah I like the idea of a new Eldar god arriving after enough Eldar die or something like that. The idea of a god of the dead and rebirth is really cool.
Love your voice. 🙂
10:04 huh, just thought that was a Emperor text to speech thing
If you're going to put text up on the screen, can you please put it on for longer than a second or two? I'm a fast reader, but I had to rewind and pause the video to read the text about ynnead
Your intro still sounds like 2 songs playing at the same time, no matter how many times I hear it.
You 2 need to join Adeptus Rediculous for a few guest spots
I think there should be a story arc of the rescue of Isha from Nurgle.
Because Isha being the god of fertility, life, healing and the divine mother of the Aeldari species could be used to then reincarnate or rebirth the other Eldar gods, especially if Ynnead can direct souls intended for Slannesh to Isha.
This rescue would need to be done by the Eldar manipulating many wars between Orcs & Tyranids and the Imperium & Chaos at the same time, from one end of the galaxy to the other (which is already happening). At which point the Eldar open giant ancient hidden Webway portals that where used to bring the suns & planets to Commorragh, in this case they are now used to throw planets full of Orcs and Tyranids directly at Papa Nurgle's face. (The path through the Webway being plotted by the Cegorach -the Laughing god for this very purpose)
With Nurgle distracted by being suddenly pummeled by vast numbers of planets FULL of Orcs as well as the Tyranid fleet's 'Shadow in the warp' blinding him, the other Chaos gods quickly take the opportunity to also loot power from Nurgle for themselves, so they poor into his lands to attack & steal his power. So, now Nurgle is fighting several Tyranid tendrils, many Orc tides and the military forces of the Imperium all simultaneously in his garden, thrown there deceptively through ancient Webway portals of massive proportions, as well as Khorne/Slannesh/Tzeentch civil wars against him because they can. Its a all-in-brawl in the garden.
…and all of it is just a distraction so the combined Eldar forces have a chance of running in, grabbing Isha and running of with her before Nurgle notices and have a chance of saving their species.
(and yes this would imply that Cegorach sold out Isha to Nurgle in the first place with the intent to rescue her later. As being held by one of the other Chaos gods would be the only way to save her from Slannesh's hunger, yet without her specifically the Eldar could never regrow, thus he had to betray her to Nurgle to save all of them.)
I like to think that Ysha and Nurgle are actually a happy couple and the idea of torture she endures comes from aeldari propaganda. Not what things probably are, but it's a neat thought.
Hope you are doing better Remliez!
And, hello Narina!
Nice show!
It has been implied many times in current fluff that Slaanesh didn't or couldn't consume the ancient Aeldari gods. Instead they were all shattered like Kaine and their shards now rest in bodies/souls of all remaining Aeldari. This does raises interesting questions about Isha's 'rescue' by Nurgle. Since a shattered Isha could have helped make all Eldar immune or at least highly resistant to Nurgle's gifts. Though I also suspect Slaanesh had darker plans for Isha than here shattering. The Prince of Pleasure would not have left the a fertility goddess and supposed mother of not just the Eldar but all sapient races go un....used. Such outcomes the Grand Father would probably also want to prevent.
What's your source on Slaanesh _not_ consuming the Aeldari Gods, out of curiosity? As page 31 of the 9th (and at time of writing, current) Aeldari Codex states outright that Slaanesh *slaughtered* the Aeldari pantheon and absorbed their power. The only instance detailing any god being shattered is in regards to Khaine, who was only shattered due to being too strong for Slaanesh to completely destroy.
Could the Eldar gods be remade entirely out of cyberdongs?
Supposedly, isn't Ynnead destined to slay Slaanesh and free all the souls of the Aeldari the Chaos God devoured? Maybe such an action would lead to the revival of the Aeldari Gods as well.
There's some lore pointing towards Vaul also being alive & held by Nurgle, as for Isha, note how Grey Knights once tried to break into the garden to free her, but they failed. I do think GW is heading towards this gods ressurection, though I don't think they would be corrupt, the corruption you speak of is on human levels, I don't think that applies to gods. Very interesting theory on Eldrad, I would say, I would say Yriel might be another good god candidate.
What's the source for Vaul still being alive and for the Grey Knights attempting to free Isha? I can't recall those off the top of my head.
@@40KTheories take it with a grain of salt, fairly sure I read it somewhere on Lexicanum while reading random eldar related stuff, the nurgle thing came from an old GK codex if I'm not mistaken and the Vaul thing was like a single sentence I read on lexicanum. I kinda trust that site, because they give sources generally, the problem is though: GW changes stuff, they retcon at times, while some stories are distorted on purpose. I tried to look for it, but couldn't find it. I don't think it's that farfetched to see GK fight in the garden of nurgle, as for the Vaul thing. Note how the lexicanum entry talks about this legend where Vaul created the spirit stones from Ishas tears. Where is Isha? In the garden, using that logic. Something else I remember, at the very end of the Valedor novel, the talk about the Rhana Dandra for a bit, about Ynnead freeing and/or leading the eldar gods to fight against chaos. If without concrete proof, I would say Vault very likely is still alive somewhere. I really wish I could find those source, I don't have the time to go through lexicanum for hours atm.
If gods can be created by thought and deed in the 40k universe, given enough time any god could be recreated, in theory you could even create a double of a god that already exists although with slight differences due to the people doing the deed and thinking the thunk being from a different time their outcome would be abit different, perhaps this explains the 3 natures of their new god.
I think it is not a matter of whether they can be extracted but rather how intact their concept is. How much that which is Slannesh can infiltrate the idea that is central to their being. And how much of that has been given out to empower others.
As to the possibility of mortal avatars of the aldari gods...well, it would be prudent to seed such things when they realized they could not stand against Slannesh. Surely they have seen, and even commited, such actions in the past themselves. So having a contingency in place should a rival lay them low would just make sense.
amazing stuff
You have a beautiful voice and it was perfect for this video. I think if they kill She Who Thirsts then ala Olympian’s the other gods will free themselves as you stated. I believe though for that to happen they will need to reassemble Khaine from his scattered shards to help in the fight
Remleiz hope you get well soon dude.
I loves me my Space Elves... I also like the various Aelven factions of the Age Of Sigmar, especially my boy Teclis and his Lumineth Realm-Lords.
This fits perfectly with the theory that the primarchs are special because they have minor warp gods of humanity inside them.
I would find it hilariously ironic if through consuming Aeldari souls, Slaanesh would inadvertently empower the Aeldari deities within her to the point of critical mass. As in they all breaking free and subverting or even destroying Slaanesh from the power loss. Now that would be quite the upheaval for Chaos and a permanent win for the Aeldari (and Khorne, lol).
I want to know what was the final act that caused she who thirst's to finally wake..
I very much want to see Khaine rise from his shattering and bitch-slap Angron back into the Warp, like "Nah, fuck you, I did this first and I did it better."
Quick Question: If Slaanesh slowly drains the spirits of the eldar that survived the fall ... and the new "coalescing" god/gods like Ynnead are made up of eldar spirits.... does Slaanesh also slowly steal the spirit force of the Ynnead or any other Eldar god they are creating?
I believe that ynnead is made up from the psychic presence of the souls in the craftworlds or exodite worlds world spirits, that they are.. somewhat safe from this effect? however there is an argument to be made that because it's becoming condensed enough to take form (at least soon-ish) they could perhaps feel the pull of slaanesh.
Can Gods truly die, or are they merely shattered as shown by both the C’tan and Khaine, or do they slumber with the Warp until they are awoken again, none can truly known how Gods die or are born.
The rebirth of the Eldar gods is a theoretical way to get the 40k universe out of its grimdarkness; but would result in a new hegemony of the Eldar. So, the Imperium can't actually let it happen. Thus why the Deathwatch had to stop Eldrad when he was so close. Guilliman has Ultramar as his little empire. Would Guilliman even care if the Eldar ruled the galaxy so long as Ultramar is unharmed?
Would they need to have survived in order to be restored? Cant the Aeldari just imagine that they'll resurrect for long enough for it to happen? isn't that how the warp works?
Granted there aren't that many left to do it quick. But we are constantly told that the emperor is becoming a god in the warp simply because people believe he's one. What's to stop the Aeldari from believing their gods will return?
I beieve with the emperor part of it is the continual increase in psychic potential of the human race. as for the aeldari, it's possible they are so regimented so as to survive that such... free? thoughts? would imediately invoke doom.
The return of the Aeldari gods face slaanesh, and draigo and legions worth of fallen Grey Knights souls!
Love this series
I think it is an interesting theory, though I believe you are mistaken in choosing the Avatars of Khaine as living embodiment of Kaela Mensha Khaine instead of the Phoenix Lords.
This comes from a reasoned belief that Avatars of Khaine are more akin to greater deamons, due to a number of shared properties, and my opinion that the Phoenix Lords being the living embodiments of Khaine would be more internally consistant with existing lore. It would mean that Yvraine would have two visions regarding the same event, rather than the two possible futures mentioned in wildrider.
Lets start with why I believe it be more correct to consider Avatars of Khaine to be greater deamons.
1. While I admittedly can not find a concrete reference at the moment, I remember greater deamons of a given chaos god share a semiconsistent visual appereance, which was brought up in the video regarding Living saints being the Emperors greater deamons. Avatars of Khaine universally possess a body composing of molten metal with thick red gore dripping from the left (p.44 codex craftworlds 8th ed.).
2. The avatar of khaine universually wields the same weaponry, ie. wailing doom (p.44 codex craftworlds 8th ed.), which is a property shared by bloodthirsters of the same given rank (p.24 codex Khorne Deamonkin 7th.ed.).
3. The avatar is "Summoned to war through arcane rituals,...". Every aspect warrior on the craftworld partakes in this ritual, with the ritual emitting a psychic roar that echoes across the craftworld (p.44 codex craftworlds 8th ed.).
4. After the avatars purpose has been fulfilled, it returns to its inert state at the core of the craftworld. This could be caused by an effect similar to the one that banishes deamons, when they are unable to sustain their forms in realspace. Admittedly this correlation is circumstantial at best.
On the other hand, the Phoenix Lords are stated as embodying aspects of Khaine, "Each Phoenix Lord founded one of the warrior shrines of the Asuryani, and is the embodiment of an aspect of the war god Khaine." (p.45 codex craftworlds 8th ed.).
Assuming the Phoenix Lords to be the living embodiments of Khaine, will result in the two prophecies, regarding the possible rebirth of the Aeldari pantheon, coming to concern the same event. One prophecy heralds the birth of Ynnead, following the death of the Aeldari race, also known as the Rhana Dandra (p.24 Phoenix Rising). As part of the Rhana Dandra, Fuegan assembles the Phoenix Lords for the final battle (p.53 codex craftworlds 8th ed.), thus gathering the living embodiments of Khaine, alongside Eldrad and any other living embodiments of gods alive at the time, fulfilling Yvraine's vision from Wildrider.
They're more akin to demon possessions, since they are shards of a warp entity possessing a non biological substance, the iron like metal they're described as shows no sign of being natural and in all likelihood have a strong chance of just beign a statue dedicated to the war god rather than designed to house him.
And as a warp entity it explains how the ritual awakens him, he's given the soul of a very powerful Eldar which is good fuel to fight.
@@oliverp3545 You make a valid point that the avatars of Khaine might be more consistent with deamonengines rather than greater deamons.
My main issue with the Avatars being the living embodiments of Khaine is that their apparent nature as warp entities would mean that they are not as "living" as the other living embodiments mentioned in Wildrider. Namely Yvraine and Eldrad. The Phoenix Lords are closer in that aspect, and the shattering of Khaine would provide circumstantial evidence that Khaine would be embodied by multiple different individuals each embodying an aspect of the god. Compared to the singular individuals embodying the other gods.
He lives~!
Drat, I misread that. I thought it said "Birth". I have no idea where the Aeldari Gods came from originally. Was that ever explained in the lore? I could never find it back in the day.
"I watched as the First Ones encouraged the younger race to reach further into the other realm, and with their vibrant minds and passionate souls create beings of power to fight the star gods.
But the battle was long and the First Ones were now few, and as their numbers dwindled, so too did their influence over their young creations. Without the wisdom and might of the First Ones to bind them, I saw the Elder's warp-beings evolve from sentient weapons into living gods - the first true gods of Immaterium. How I wept when the Elder embraced them as such.
Time moved onwards and I saw the rise of the brother heroes, Eldanesh and Ulthanesh, who alone, in the absence of the First Ones, could control the Warp Gods and summon them onto the physical plane. I saw them march to war against the silver-skinned Yngir, the star gods and their slaves, and I saw them summon the dread lord Khaine, The Elder’s mighty god of war, to battle with them. I saw the brothers and their god lead their children into battle time and time again, pitting Chaos spawned furies against the soulless technologies of the Yngir. But in time, the boundaries between the gods of the Aethyr and the gods of the Stars blurred, and The Elder could not tell one from another.
In their fury, the gods of the stars and the gods of the Aethyr turned upon each other, capturing or destroying those they could, and striking bargains with those they could not. I saw the forging of the Widow-Makers, the one hundred Swords of Khaine, and I watched the betrayal as one was stolen and hidden far away. I saw the end of shining Althanesh at the hands of the god of Death. I was witness to the final battle in which Khaine was almost split asunder by the destruction of that same Death God, and I saw how the endless warfare fanned the embers of Khaine’s fury, filling Him with power and driving Him into madness. Gripped by unquenchable rage, Khaine eventually turned against The Elder and slew prince Aldanesh.
The numbers of the Chaos-beings grew, and all of them seemed mad and predatory. They seeped from the Empyrean in numbers that eclipse the legions of Chaos Wastes, and everywhere there was fire and torment."
Liber Chaotica: Slaanesh
Eldar Gods were psychic anti C'tan super weapons that gained sentience.
What would happen if a Ctan Shard was in the Avatar of Khaine?
Why didn't the Gods stop the Eldari before they fell?
Given that the Ynarri plotline was all but dropped following the poor reception of the Warhammer Fantasy Endtimes and the creation of Age of Sigmar, I don't hold out hope that GW will pick it back up anytime soon.
Although the Craftworld codex (or united Aeldari codex, it seems?) is apparently coming next year, if the leaks are to be believed. So who knows?
Is ynead going to pull a kill Kronos and release his siblings
But - really any deity with living worshippers can be dead in Warp? As long as there are living creatures that fuel the idea of deity, it really can't die.
Necrons: "We'll sleep for 65 million years, the elves will blow themselves up somehow."
Necrons 65 million years later: "WHAT THE UNLIVING FUCK DID YOU DO?!"
How can a tech priest get sick? Bro just go to the repair technician!
Unfortunately the Cicatrix Maledictum makes the response time of proper repair technicians longer.
Why change the voice of the narrator?