What Happens If You Fail A Checkride?
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2022
- Join me as I discuss the disapproval process, more commonly known as failing your checkride. Failure is always a significant cause for concern; however, I think the more you know about something, the less scary it is. No one wants this outcome, but it happens and is simply a part of being a pilot. Luckily, it’s usually not a big deal and will have few impacts on your long-term flying career. It won’t be your favorite day in aviation, but you can easily overcome a checkride failure and have a good learning experience to take on afterward.
Thank you for all the feedback, I look forward to hearing more! If you have anything you would like to share, please email me at: sethlake@vsl.aero.
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I got a NOD on my ASEL PPL ride for an unsatisfactory short field landing. That was the only failure, everything else went fine. Unfortunately for me, my DPE doesn't have the same view on go-arounds as Seth. I had ballooned trying to drag it in to the designated target and initiated a go-around, but it was a fail at that point. I got with my CFI when we got back and did a few practice landings with moderate success. I could have retested that day, but I was tired, disappointed, the weather was getting worse and my hands were starting to cramp, so I called it a day. I'm 70 years old and have been at this for over 200 hours and more than 600 landings, so I know how to do it, just not when I needed it most. Try again next week I guess. Seth's videos are the BEST.
DPEs in my area refuse to talk to us instructors after tests.
I know it’s not true for all areas. I wish all DPEs were more like you and other good DPEs.
I do wish DPEs at least acknowledge that check ride failures end careers. I know several CFIs at my school that all have been told by the airlines that they’ll never fly for them. They all have between 2-5 failures.
Hey man! I just wanted to say that this video helped me a lot! I got a NOD of dissaproval about 3 questions into the oral portion due to a stupid plotting mistake that i have learned from.
However, i had been working towards that checkride for almost 3 years. It absolutely ruined me, and i still have a hard time going to the airport due to the embarrassment and reminder of my failure.
I really needed this positive outlook on the subject! Thank you so much!
I'm sorry to hear about your NOD, but like I said in the video - it's not a big deal. You will learn more from that failure than any pass. Failed checkrides are just a part of aviation (not a fun part though).
Best of luck on your future training and thanks for watching the channel!
Thanks for sharing this, I really appreciate you.
You're welcome!
Thanks! Keep your videos coming! Very helpful!
Thank you so much! I plan on it!
I passed my private pilot checkride this last week. The possible failure was weighing heavily on me as I prepared the last 4 weeks. A combination of circumstances pushed my checkride out 4 weeks from when it was originally scheduled. I used the time to dive deeply into your videos which helped me break down the huge intimidation I had for the ACS. They reminded me that the DPE is human and was once in our shoes. The DPE wants you to succeed and I had an amazing DPE! Your CFI wants you to succeed and I had an amazing CFI! Your CFI would not schedule you for your checkride if they did not believe in you. BELIVE IN YOURSELF! Jason Schappert's "Pass Your Private Pilot Pilot Checkride" helped make sure to fill in any blanks I may have missed. The week prior, my CFI did a mock oral checkride to find any holes in my oral preparation and the mock flight checkride tightened up my maneuvers, takeoffs and landings. If I would have failed, I would have known where. I just needed to BELIVE IN MYSELF! The airport DPE had me to go was my first checkpoint but flying over and seeing the windsock, it was beyond my personal minimums for crosswind. I told him and he said said good airmanship decision making and we went to another airport. You gave me that confidence. Thanks Seth!
💯🎯. Congratulations on your achievement and good job on the hard work to prepare!
Thank you for making this! I’m a low-time pilot looking to eventually get a career in aviation, and I appreciate you shedding some light on this and sharing your experiences.
You're welcome!
Thanks for all the videos you put out. I'm prepping for my private checkride (hopefully to be done sometime in November) and I've been watching your 4-video ACS series which has been extremely helpful. Having a general idea of what to expect, and knowing that failing isn't the end of the world helps.
P.S. Loved the canine cameos
Haha, nice! You're the first to mention the canines 😆🐕♥️
Failed my ppl checkride last week during the oral. Worst moment of my life.
How did you fail?
It's not fun failing a checkride but it's also not as big of deal as you might expect. Failures happen, its how you handle them and recover that matters.
At least your instructor signed you off to take yours, I never even got the chance. CFI wouldn’t sign me off then i ran out of money.
You must be young. I've lost my dad, twist-broken my ankle, cheated on by the-then love of my life, cut by the college baseball team, rejected by medical school. Conversely, I've produced a feature-length film, won a powerlifting nat'l medal, gotten into mensa and made just under a million last year. The more swings you take, the less you'll care about the misses.
For me the takeaway is be over-prepared and you'll be fine. It's better just to take the extra time before the check ride and do it right the first time. The worst DPE that I have to deal with is myself.
Agreed. Failure to prepare is preparing to fail.
I passed my instrument check ride yesterday after starting and stopping several times over the last couple of years. I found Seth's podcast and videos a few months ago and they were a HUGE help. I was better prepared and less nervous because of them. I have been sharing the podcasts and UA-cam videos with several other guys I know working on their private and instrument.
Congratulations! Thank you so much for the feedback and support!
I received a NOD for the oral on my instrument today. Before going to take the checkride I told my wife I didn't know what I didn't know...well now I do! I got hung up on the cross country planning. I relied on the performance profile my original CFI gave me for the plane and just assumed it was good. It was good at 2500' but not at my planned flight level of 8000'. I had never given that any thought nor do I remember that being a part of my training. However, I think it is very important with IFR flight as it will affect the time and fuel requirements. The importance of having correct performance profiles and how to set them up properly in ForeFlight would be a great subject for you to cover in a future video. I'm doubtful many pilots give this much thought but due to my NOD I always will! I now realize I need to adjust the performance profile for every flight plan I do. Hoping to retest quickly and get to the flight portion of the checkride. Thank you for your videos...they are great!
Wow! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Sharing your failure with others is one of the best ways to make everyone better. It's not a fun experience but it's gritty experience that results in a more polished product.
Thank you for the feedback and I will plan on including some of your issues with ForeFlight performance profile in the future. Best of luck on your retest and future aviation adventures! Stay positive and know that this setback is a minor one that will just make you a better pilot in the end!
That's really basic stuff. Makes me wonder what else you don't know. For a typical small training aircraft there's a significant difference between 2500 and 8000. I would have failed you too.
There are plenty of resources we're learning that..... Perhaps the bad side of foreflight... it's not supposed to be a teaching tool.
@@braininavatnow9197 I wonder what else I don't know as well which is why I'm always reading, watching videos, listening to podcasts ect. Very few know it all...
@@Village1344 nobody "knows it all" and I would be suspicious of anyone who thought they did... I've been a pilot since 1975 (student for 5 years before that..i was too young to get a certificate) and I'm still surprised at how ignorant I am outside of my little GA experience. Good news is we have home simulators and internet access to seeming endless resources. Learn the ACS untill you can do it automatically and you'll be fine.
I like to over learn one level up and always push myself to the "I don't know" point. I enjoy learning even things I know I'll never do or really don't need to know. I'll never make any money as a pilot so for me learning is just for fun and I find that a strong motivation to improve. No matter what the FAA calls me I will always be a student.
@@braininavatnow9197 100% I'm now working towards my CFI, not because I want to make a career but because I want to learn more!
Along with all of your incredibly helpful and interesting videos especially the instrument ACS series. Thank you!! I watched this one of yours last year hoping I would never experience the NOD. Last week I got one on my instrument check ride.
It was a short 16-mile trip to the initial fix of my last approach of the test, an RNAV-B to be flown partial panel, then finished with a circle to land and I would be done. I had to pick up the clearance with ATC, frequency change to Chicago, request the approach and the hold (a procedure turn), ask for vector to the hold while I reprogramed the panel, pull up the plate, brief it, and then a before landing check. With that accomplished my DPE blackened my attitude/heading indicators and I entered the hold at 4k. There was other traffic below preventing ATC from clearing us lower so the DPE had me cancel IFR and she would play approach control. She directed me a descent to 3k and cleared me for the approach. After switching to CTAF I made my initial position call and while dead nuts on course I flew along quietly patting myself on the back. So consumed with how well I was doing that I cruised right through the final approach fix 500' high. Being high and close to the airport I realized this was going south about 1/2mile out and declared missed approach. As I started the missed procedure she asked why I didn't descend after being cleared. I had no good answer (I didn't know what I messed up at that point, only that I had). She said, "we are done, I have to issue a disapproval, take off your goggles and head back to the airport".
Worst feeling ever! Returning to my home airport was the longest, most unenjoyable quiet 10-minutes I ever spent flying an airplane. I watched this video again just this morning and cant thank you enough for making it and wanted to share my experience. My fault 100%, my CFII is constantly telling me "when you find yourself just flying along enjoying being a pilot, you're messing up!" (only he doesn't say messing) and boy was I ever. A week delay in getting the rating and a few hundred dollars poorer I hope to finally finish this a little wiser.
A disapproval is a real gut punch. Thank you for sharing and keep on keeping on! This is just a minor setback that will make you a better pilot.
I got a disapproval during my instrument checkride last month and on top of all the nervousness and pressure made me feel sick almost to the point of wanting to vomit. My DPE made it very clear what I had done wrong and why he could not let it "slide". He gave me some vectors aftwards to allow me to recompose myself as i opted to proceed with the remaining 2 approaches then retested the 1 failed LOC approach 2 weeks later which earned my rating.
As the disapproval stemmed from the failure to Aviate - Navigate - Communicate in order (my prioritizing of switching to tower frequency made me fail to start the timer over the final approach fix). It put a huge mental note that I ALWAYS need to prioritize flying the plane first.
Also. Thanks a lot for running through the ACS. It helped me hugely during the oral portion!.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience! Failure happens, and it won't define your career unless you allow it to. You have a good attitude and learned a lot from your experience. Excellent job on the successful retest! I'm sure you will take this experience with you for the rest of your career and be a better pilot because of it!
OMG … the best channel for pilot you broke a gap … this channel is amazing you are so humble simple … please do more videos you have a magic channel in your hand … I fail but if some day meet I’ll tell you
I’m ready …. Big question I fail in my step turne ppl my instructor instruct me to do those a 65 digress and that is for Comercial so even asking my CFI insisted that most be 65 plus my plane has ESP so got even harder beside that flap ups at 1000 feet even I ask him the pho says 400 feet he insiste that was safer
So I fail for both … now my question I’ll be examination just for those two or my new DPE will ask for more
I couldn’t pick my sane DPE because the CFI
find a DPE in Uthat so far away and my base is Miami no ever mountain … so my question as I will get a new DPE … will he ask me more than the two fail task ?
Thx
Thanks for the feedback! Your DPE is required to test all the tasks you were disapproved for. If you failed for steep turns however they would also have to grade your takeoff and landing because you would have to do another one to get to the practice area and order to re-accomplish the steep turns. So while the DPE is only required to evaluate you on the items that were on your NOD you will often be evaluated on more than that.
I really appreciate your videos and would like to get your insights on my instrument checkride I had couple months ago.
So I received a notice of disapproval because I did not include alternates on my nav log even thought the weather along my flight plan was VFR all the way to my destination. The other thing is I gave a wrong answer first about the non standard alternates minimum for a precision approach (flight visibility 2 Statute mile) the DPE did not allow me to look at 91.169 since I was not sure. Other than that, we went over the all ACS and all the questions were answered correctly. My notice of disapproval just mentioned alternate and flight planning. I did not receive a debrief from the DPE nor did my instructor. No ones could tell me why I failed. The DPE did not talk to me, he just left without saying a word. What’s your insight in that? I was left confused. It was hard to digest that. I ended up passing with the same DPE after a 3 minutes oral in which he did not know what was the ground for the failure. I don’t know how to explain this during my interview in which I don’t want anyone to think I don’t own up to my mistakes.
Thanks in advance!
Thank you for sharing and I'm sorry to hear about your disapproval. The key thing to do here is own the failure and approach it with as much humility as possible. You failed but successfully re-tested and learned something from the whole experience. I wouldn't try to explain how the DPE might have been unfair in a interview environment. Just simply state you weren't as prepared as you should have been for your instrument checkride and received a disapproval. More than likely, the discussion will end there. Whoever is interviewing you will understand that failures happen and as long as there isn't a pattern it's not a big deal. Best of luck on your future flying!
@@SethLakeDPE thank you for the feedback! It took me times to overcome but the main thing I see is to be positive and own it. I promised myself this will be my last failure. I will study really hard and be prepared like going for a war on the rest of my checkrides.
I got a disapproval without an option to even continue 😢
Some DPEs unfortunately don't give the option :/ either way, dust yourself off and nail it next time! 🙌 you got this!!!
Unfortunately, I suffer from debilitating stage fright going in expecting to screw something up even though I know how to do it right. Sadly, I’m more at ease once I know I’ve failed and so I perform better. 🤦🏻♀️😅 I’m not ashamed to fail. I just have to work on my “stage fright”.
I understand what you mean. When I was first starting out I got very nervous during the ground portion of the exam. Prepare Prepare Prepare. That is your best defense for the nerves!
I can totally can relate.
I busted my cfi initial oral twice, now I plan on taking my cfii check ride in a few weeks, I hope I'm not going to make more bad memories.
The instructor checkrides are some of the most difficult checkrides you can take. Don't be too worried about a disapproval, just stay in the books and keep trying!
I have my cfi checkride soon, do you have any last minute advice?
@@themanhimself1220 practice teaching all the lessons pts with a qualified instructor. If you cut corners it won’t work out well, speaking from experience
@@planewire2153 Thank you! I just hope my nerves don’t get in the way.
Is it possible for my CFI to also be the DPE for my check flight if he or she is certified? Or is it a conflict of interest?
It is possible but another CFI would need to be involved in their training. They couldn't sign you off for the checkride AND do the checkride.
Seth,
What about the cost of the Checkride, does one have to pay the full price again ?
I charge up to half the original cost but often it’s less than that. That’s if the original test was done with me. Other examiners may have different pricing.
I failed my Instrument Checkride at the end of the flight portion last week. This video helps, thanks!
Chin up and keep moving on. Like I said, this will make you a better pilot and will not have a negative impact on your career as long as you learn from it and keep a good attitude.
Is there an additional cost to retest after a disapproval is received?
As a rule, yes. Most examiners charge a retest fee. Usually it's around half the price of a full test fee but each examiner can set their own policy on this.
To be honest, I failed initial check ride 6 times on ground portion. I was so hard time to pass ground for me. Do you think I should give up applying airlines??
CFI check ride
I wouldn't give up on the airlines. I would expect it to come up in an interview, but it's not necessarily a deal breaker.
I just failed my ground portion today. I can only imagine how you're feeling. Hang in there, I'm sure we'll both get it eventually.
it goes on your permanent record and can hurt your career.
It does go on your record, but I stand by what I've said many times. A couple of failures, especially ones that occurred in Part 61 training, will not hurt your career.
What checkrides have you failed ?
My first two Air Force pilot training checkrides and a periodic checkride in the C-130
The first question that is asked at ANY airline interview is: Have you ever failed a check ride. I interview pilots. A failure IS A BIG THING.
Thanks for the feedback. In my experience however, this isn't the first thing that comes up in interviews. I've been on both sides of the interview table several times and can say that there are many other things I'm interested in knowing about a potential hire other than just failures. A series of failures or several failures throughout ones career is, like you say, a big thing, but one or two, especially if they occurred early on, are almost not even mentioned.