You pushing the wave there was correct 100%, mechanically you made the right choice there, but with randoms as your laners the moment you get pinged off it can be the wrong choice because as many streams have proven- a tilted laner can cause a game to spiral into a lost via trolling or them missplaying due to anger/annoyance
I mean, skarner both pinged him and typed to do NOT do it. Why go against it and risk making a teammate of your own turn against you, just an easy way to win.
Skarner didnt have tp, but its right to push it anyway. He would be in a bad spot, because he has to step forward to break the freeze and its obvious for the jungler and if the dies to a gank he loses even more. Even when he pings after that the game only gets harder.
its the mans lane why touch it without its consent its like not letting a guy take of a knife out of a wound i mean its correct to let it stay in the wound but the man doesnt want that and its HİS wound
@@elderdragon1628 by that logic a jungler should only gank when asked, which is completely wrong because as a jungler you need to be the playmaker most of the time while your roaming between lanes Quickly pushing a lane that the person would of missed gold and exp and have the lane be in a bad state is something you need to be aware of Yes its the laners lane, but its also the junglers job to make sure their lanes are in a good position for them to make any plays of their own, if top is in a bad position then its always risky to do grubs/herald/baron, and bot in a bad positoon makes dragon risky.
So at 9:00 for the Skarner clip, he had 3 extra mage minions than the opponent. This means no matter what, Skarner’s wave will slow push into the enemy tower while he’s gone, and if the enemy did have TP like he states, you had the right play because it actually pushes a crash rather than allowing the opponent to freeze. Assuming you successfully double wave crashed into his tower, it would push back into Skarner on reset. After analysis; You did the right thing.
Hey, listen, having played jungle for years, even if it's the best play and the correct play, if a laner pings you off of lane, just leave. It's never worth tilting your laners, even if you are helping them, they never see it that way and will always blame you if anything goes wrong
And also the unfortunate thing about lower elos is that if you set up plays for them they don't really know what to do with it or ping you to leave like in the video
the wave would had push to skarner. so it was right for you to push it. Cho had one more minion and it was closer to the blueside which means blue minions will come first to help.
9/10 times you should help the laner push the next wave so they can get a free recall. just look after if he have teleport and can hold the wave for a freeze.
Haha yes the smite fights are terrifying, especially when your team doesn't prioritize it. Generally, whenever im fighting for dragon (or baron) and the enemy jungler arrived (or any enemy really), I stop attacking the dragon entirely and turn all of my damage towards the enemy. I keep an eye on the dragon in case i need to smite, but if everyone stops attacking the dragon while it still has 1700 HP, nobody can smite it. If we can kill their jungler before bringing the HP down to a smiteable range, then its free. Plus, sometimes they enemy jungler is so trigger happy that when they jump in, theyll prematurely smite because we stopped attacking the dragon. Unfortunately, i often play with teammates who think they should keep attacking the dragon, which often lets the enemy jungler steal it (or even kill me, the jungler). It's just not always something non-junglers think about, and all they know is "kill the dragon". There's nothing worse than an ADC flaming me for not smiting the dragon when the enemy jungler jumps in and is able to combo me uncontested while my ADC continues to just shoot the dragon into smiteable range while I'm CC'd.
yeah I do think thats terrible too when the team doesnt play AROUND a steal. Like just pull out the fucking dragon so they CANT steal it like HELLO?!?!?!?!?
You did the correct play, it was slowpushing into cho, he either tps to not lose minions or doesnt tp and ends up with minions next to his tower so he can freeze, so basically its a choice between forcing tp and not doing it, which then if you gank he has no tp so he loses next wave, when you play jungle you need to be immune to pings and know your gameplay, because following their pings usually gets you in bad position
Usually just ping a question mark on the minion wave to see what the laner wants. I usually get a " retreat " or " help " in return. Their lane - They can do whatever the F they want with it :) even if it's the wrong choice. Makes your life as jungler way easier
I think it won't matter, becasue chogath isn't known for being a super lane bully, the same way fiora or darius is. Meaning even if he freeze the lane, skarner might still be able to shovel it or just fight him.
The best build is factually Shojin -> Warmogs -> Overlord -> Zeke's. You could take really anything past Overlord, but you want to get those 3 items as fast as you can.
I think chogath has hard time to make a freeze bcs all of his basic abilities are AoE, so sooner or later he would push that wave on top, also if skarner had tp, he could tp back to push on his own so he would get exp and gold, especially that in jungle u take like 30-50% of minion exp?
I had the same, My first game Hecarim went awesome 10/0/10 A+ enemies surrendered bc I was making so much chaos. Next game I was overconfident and fuked it...
When you push for skarner i dont know if you are wrong or right but i think just let laners creeps how they want in my experience when jgl push my wave it make me angry and same with my teamates
I guess but I get more pissed when they DON'T help me push. I mean sometimes junglers don't understand minions and push when they shouldnt but at least the wave resets and I can back... idk though
12:07 That's not accidentally, and shouldn't always be going for the botlane.. their feeding should never make them own the shutdown by default, not to mention that you're playing a hyper carry and one of the most aggressive snowballers in the jungle compared to a scaling apc that just lost a maybe pure 2v2
Junglers use their time to gank, but they dont have to. If you get a gank just get a bit thankful. Skarner didnt lose anything, he would lose if he didnt push. But i as jungler myself often dont gank them anymore, because if a gank fails or he dies, he flames and rages anyway. Often its better to gank other lanes with a win-condition or farming more to carry yourself. They just take down the whole team if it gets close. They are tanks it isnt even worth to camp.
It looks like the Cho was a bit late to TP back to lane, so you kinda got away with pushing it there by yourself. I do think think that pushing it was the right call, but Srarner should have stayed and helped to make sure it got all the way in. The wave was in a really awkward spot to just leave, and Skarner is 100% wrong to want to leave it as is.
It is 100% correct to push the wave because if you didnt do it skarner will have to play hard and force to cs near at the enemy tower and eventually die in ganks, also its random so better not to pay attention even better turn off chat
@@regis9596 keep getting flamed Lil bro i Said if you dont want to be flamed dont touch the wave its better yo have a behind teammate then a tilted teammate
I was Diamond top but other roles it’s around Plat (hit Emerald off stream though after these videos so my next jungle champions would be higher quality)
So Cho would not have been able to freeze it either way, it would have slow pushed to him. The reason you shove here is to deny XP to the Cho Gath. You made the right play, but explained the wrong reason (if that makes sense). Skarner was incorrect here.
@@EcoreLoL Wrong mentality! You are power! you are the CHOSEN ONE! armor? cc? what is the use of that when they are dead?? SLAY YOUR ENEMY! Also pick Nilah please :D Thank yoouuu
You pushing the wave there was correct 100%, mechanically you made the right choice there, but with randoms as your laners the moment you get pinged off it can be the wrong choice because as many streams have proven- a tilted laner can cause a game to spiral into a lost via trolling or them missplaying due to anger/annoyance
I mean, skarner both pinged him and typed to do NOT do it. Why go against it and risk making a teammate of your own turn against you, just an easy way to win.
Unless skarner has TP then he is wrong,
Skarner didnt have tp, but its right to push it anyway. He would be in a bad spot, because he has to step forward to break the freeze and its obvious for the jungler and if the dies to a gank he loses even more. Even when he pings after that the game only gets harder.
its the mans lane why touch it without its consent its like not letting a guy take of a knife out of a wound i mean its correct to let it stay in the wound but the man doesnt want that and its HİS wound
@@elderdragon1628 by that logic a jungler should only gank when asked, which is completely wrong because as a jungler you need to be the playmaker most of the time while your roaming between lanes
Quickly pushing a lane that the person would of missed gold and exp and have the lane be in a bad state is something you need to be aware of
Yes its the laners lane, but its also the junglers job to make sure their lanes are in a good position for them to make any plays of their own, if top is in a bad position then its always risky to do grubs/herald/baron, and bot in a bad positoon makes dragon risky.
So at 9:00 for the Skarner clip, he had 3 extra mage minions than the opponent. This means no matter what, Skarner’s wave will slow push into the enemy tower while he’s gone, and if the enemy did have TP like he states, you had the right play because it actually pushes a crash rather than allowing the opponent to freeze. Assuming you successfully double wave crashed into his tower, it would push back into Skarner on reset.
After analysis; You did the right thing.
thank you I KNOW the play itself was right. My question was more "should I just let Skarner get fucked OR help him even if he gets tilted"
@@EcoreLoL lol +1 respect for you actually helping the guy even though he was giving you shit for it
Hey, listen, having played jungle for years, even if it's the best play and the correct play, if a laner pings you off of lane, just leave. It's never worth tilting your laners, even if you are helping them, they never see it that way and will always blame you if anything goes wrong
And also the unfortunate thing about lower elos is that if you set up plays for them they don't really know what to do with it or ping you to leave like in the video
the wave would had push to skarner. so it was right for you to push it. Cho had one more minion and it was closer to the blueside which means blue minions will come first to help.
9/10 times you should help the laner push the next wave so they can get a free recall. just look after if he have teleport and can hold the wave for a freeze.
Lee Sin really looking different this patch
Lee Sin ASU goes hard
Haha yes the smite fights are terrifying, especially when your team doesn't prioritize it. Generally, whenever im fighting for dragon (or baron) and the enemy jungler arrived (or any enemy really), I stop attacking the dragon entirely and turn all of my damage towards the enemy. I keep an eye on the dragon in case i need to smite, but if everyone stops attacking the dragon while it still has 1700 HP, nobody can smite it. If we can kill their jungler before bringing the HP down to a smiteable range, then its free. Plus, sometimes they enemy jungler is so trigger happy that when they jump in, theyll prematurely smite because we stopped attacking the dragon. Unfortunately, i often play with teammates who think they should keep attacking the dragon, which often lets the enemy jungler steal it (or even kill me, the jungler). It's just not always something non-junglers think about, and all they know is "kill the dragon". There's nothing worse than an ADC flaming me for not smiting the dragon when the enemy jungler jumps in and is able to combo me uncontested while my ADC continues to just shoot the dragon into smiteable range while I'm CC'd.
yeah I do think thats terrible too when the team doesnt play AROUND a steal. Like just pull out the fucking dragon so they CANT steal it like HELLO?!?!?!?!?
You did the correct play, it was slowpushing into cho, he either tps to not lose minions or doesnt tp and ends up with minions next to his tower so he can freeze, so basically its a choice between forcing tp and not doing it, which then if you gank he has no tp so he loses next wave, when you play jungle you need to be immune to pings and know your gameplay, because following their pings usually gets you in bad position
Usually just ping a question mark on the minion wave to see what the laner wants. I usually get a " retreat " or " help " in return. Their lane - They can do whatever the F they want with it :) even if it's the wrong choice. Makes your life as jungler way easier
Love the educational style of these
umm. does anyone else see lee sin for most of the stuff?
You did well by crushing the wave in skarner game, he just doesn't get how top works tbh.
The goat of LoL UA-camrs ❤❤
IDK about that but thank you XD
4:25 probably my favorite match in the whole series, seeing it on stream is even better
it really was an AMAZING game
Still waitibg for sylas brother :) btw love your videos, keep the good work up
he will be near the end because he is like Viego. Probably like the BUILDUP video you know?
I think it won't matter, becasue chogath isn't known for being a super lane bully, the same way fiora or darius is. Meaning even if he freeze the lane, skarner might still be able to shovel it or just fight him.
As a hecarim main i can tell you that you are doing great but you have to ult a litle better. Love you content❤
Can u put briar in the vote? She’s my main and really fun
I just got in a match with hecarim, i was going to learn, what a timing
and the viego video will be legendary
Hecarim is a Horse to be reckoned with
0:03 bro wants to be josh hutcherson so bad
He went to my high school, Larry A. Ryle High School. He graduated same time as my older brother, small world!
The best build is factually Shojin -> Warmogs -> Overlord -> Zeke's. You could take really anything past Overlord, but you want to get those 3 items as fast as you can.
Ayeeee my main nice video man keep it up waiting for thresh :D
Hey, canon you do 10 h yone video pls 🙏
you should do aatrox
XJ q also cools down your kit
Will you do a tierlist of how much you liked each champ?
Can you do Azir next?
I think chogath has hard time to make a freeze bcs all of his basic abilities are AoE, so sooner or later he would push that wave on top, also if skarner had tp, he could tp back to push on his own so he would get exp and gold, especially that in jungle u take like 30-50% of minion exp?
I had the same,
My first game Hecarim went awesome 10/0/10 A+ enemies surrendered bc I was making so much chaos.
Next game I was overconfident and fuked it...
When you push for skarner i dont know if you are wrong or right but i think just let laners creeps how they want in my experience when jgl push my wave it make me angry and same with my teamates
I guess but I get more pissed when they DON'T help me push. I mean sometimes junglers don't understand minions and push when they shouldnt but at least the wave resets and I can back... idk though
The Akshan at 11:23 xD
Zilean Hecarim is a crazy combo
When are u going for udyr?
Btw your timestamps are lee sin
can u do zeri next
I BEG ON KNEES, PLEASE do a video 10 hours challenge on fizz
12:07 That's not accidentally, and shouldn't always be going for the botlane.. their feeding should never make them own the shutdown by default, not to mention that you're playing a hyper carry and one of the most aggressive snowballers in the jungle compared to a scaling apc that just lost a maybe pure 2v2
Do a Kayle in 10 hours video
Perfect more Ecore to eat to
What was the long pause in uploads for?
bars have you not heard of souras ap hecarim build
Waiting for Twisted Fate!
Junglers use their time to gank, but they dont have to. If you get a gank just get a bit thankful. Skarner didnt lose anything, he would lose if he didnt push. But i as jungler myself often dont gank them anymore, because if a gank fails or he dies, he flames and rages anyway. Often its better to gank other lanes with a win-condition or farming more to carry yourself. They just take down the whole team if it gets close. They are tanks it isnt even worth to camp.
I didnt know they redesighned Lee sin
It looks like the Cho was a bit late to TP back to lane, so you kinda got away with pushing it there by yourself. I do think think that pushing it was the right call, but Srarner should have stayed and helped to make sure it got all the way in. The wave was in a really awkward spot to just leave, and Skarner is 100% wrong to want to leave it as is.
Please do rek sai next
Do next yone please
6:54 excuse me how does that connect ?
Hey what happened with fiddlesticks you did a stream but never released the video.
you need to smite people when you chase them more.
Video 2 of asking for fizz next!!!
pushing was the correct move but if the laner tells you leave, leave.
I miss when the titles said “to prove he’s …”
Seraphine hitting 2 with ult = bigger than Gnar hitting 3 with his xD
of course it had to be dantes!!
Rengar 10 hrs when?
do volibear
yo can you play azir because she broken
Mate I will remind you every video about evelynn, keep it in mind. :)
Imagine bro's face when he realized he need to spend 1680 hours to learn all champions💀
It is 100% correct to push the wave because if you didnt do it skarner will have to play hard and force to cs near at the enemy tower and eventually die in ganks, also its random so better not to pay attention even better turn off chat
5:47 apc/mid lane seraphine video in the future?? :D
The right decision was to push the wave, but if the player is pinging to leave it…leave it, lol players are like babies
yeah fair enough
i main top and you dont touch the wave unless if you are told so no matter if its good or bad
bronzie logic
@@regis9596 keep getting flamed Lil bro i Said if you dont want to be flamed dont touch the wave its better yo have a behind teammate then a tilted teammate
sett when?
Good fortune
im so confused by lee sin anyone else?
do urgot please
What elo is this guy btw?
I was Diamond top but other roles it’s around Plat (hit Emerald off stream though after these videos so my next jungle champions would be higher quality)
DANTES AT THE START
So Cho would not have been able to freeze it either way, it would have slow pushed to him. The reason you shove here is to deny XP to the Cho Gath. You made the right play, but explained the wrong reason (if that makes sense). Skarner was incorrect here.
11:46 u were dead skarner saved ur ass
Hi 👋
Nunu pleaseee
Shojin rush on Hecarim is way better
6:40 fawwk 🦆
Learn Gangplank in 10 hours with Solarbacca help.
yeah, Skarner was noob, you were right
😂😂 the first wasn t a hecarip one trick it was dantes with assasin craazzy build
Can't wait for your in game moments. Do you like latina women?
try gragas jg i know u played gragas but gragas jg its something very diffrent
I played Gragas jungle in my Gragas video XD
first of the day
We need Udyr.
Jungler it’s your fault the objectives were unobtainable
shojin first is better lmao
buy cdr boots almost every single game - have like 6 games without it :D
I mean against heavy AD comps or heavy CC comps you can build other boots. Also 6/20 games is still 70% CDR boots
@@EcoreLoL Wrong mentality!
You are power! you are the CHOSEN ONE!
armor? cc? what is the use of that when they are dead?? SLAY YOUR ENEMY!
Also pick Nilah please :D Thank yoouuu
Day 1 of asking to learn udyr.
Please go aatrox
play naafiri
kha'zix
2 views in 1 minute bro fell off
Lmao jungle does get blamed for everything it’s a loveless role