Is the BOSS HM-2 the most OVERRATED pedal of all time?
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2020
- Hello fellow metal heads and gear enthusiasts. I've been trying to figure out how to make a video on the BOSS HM-2 for a while that wasn't just another "make the swedish chainsaw tone" video. What I decided on was seeing if the pedal was overrated by comparing it in a mix with another more modern high gain tone. What do you guys think? Will the HM-2 shine as a bastion of guitar brutality in a sea of endless options, or will it be ousted as the most overrated pedal of all time??
There are several forums online discussing At the Gates tone on slaughter of the soul, but I found this one helpful..
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Thanks for dropping in! What should I review next??
I'd like to see something on the REVV-Q3 or the Wampler Dracary's or even the Pal 800 jcm emulator pedal. that's if your lucky enough to fine the silver one. Pal 800 gold I saw a couple on Reverb yesterday for about $250
Maybe how to dail in a hm-2 and amp for a band situation/recording, Sounding awesome playing alone with the pedal is easy, but making it sound good with a band is really hard (for me)
I had a hell of a time dialing it for this video. I dont understand how people say "just dime everything". That cant be how ATG use it. WAYYYYY to noisey that way!
The revv is def on my radar! I just picked up a pedal to demo yesterday, but if I spot one for a good deal, I might snag it!
@@TaylorDanley Everything maxed out sounds like crap, I always put the gain on 0 and use the amp or multi effects gain. Low and high between 7 and 10 and use the volume to find a balance between a nice chainsaw sound and still have a clear enough sound.
Overrated? nah, more like the best pedal ever made.
thank you
If someone likes the sound of a pedal and uses it and has fun making the music, then it is the right pedal. That's literally all.
I still like the HM2 sound, it's raw and sounds broken... which is what you want really if you're into the HM2. It's like comparing Dimebag's tone to James Hetfield's tone, it's just two different things.
I didn't watch the video. Just came here to say that I have one and I LOVE IT SO MUCH.
Well, just to fill you in, he doesn't think it's overrated and he does like it.
@@NefariousDreary boooh spoil alert hahah
@ lol!
The plug-in sound muffled
Good video. A couple things to clarify; it was a Peavey Supreme 160 head, not a combo. The HM-2's distortion was set to '0' as to only get the crunch. Also, the "Fredman technique" was used to mic the cab, which was two SM57's, one dead on center of the dust cap and the second was at a 55-degree angle to allow for balancing between the sizzle and low end of those mic positions.
Thanks for the info! Yeah, when I tracked the guitars, I had to turn the dist level to 0.. or near it. I don't know why everyone says to dime them. In my experience it produces an unusable tone, unless you are only using the HM2 to boost a lower gain amp.
@@TaylorDanley distortion in 9 don't work at all you have to turn it slightly up ...you can hear it kick in at the 1 or 1 -1/2...sane with behringer hm300.
@@TaylorDanleyi use it at 10 to get that uncontrollable feedback like in converge’s concubine
Imo the At The Gates tone is legendary the more modern tone just sounded weak in comparison
ENTOMBED is where it's at.the 1rst two albums.fuck wolverine blues.
Nopes, Grave's guitar tone in the album "Into The Grave" is way heavier and they didn't even use Boss HM-2.
@@GearReview23 Muddy?
It sounds dirty, fuzzy and sludgy. In other words it sounds exactly how a good old school death metal album should sound like.
@@GearReview23 Entombed's guitar tone on Left Hand Path was most influential because they did it first but it was never the heaviest. It was Grave who did it far better than them.
Instead of HM-2 Grave used a Boss DS-1 to boost a channel jumped and dimed up Fender Blackface Bassman. That's why their guitar tone was way more doomy, thick, and sludgy than Entombed.
@@GearReview23 It's at least heavier than other Swedish Death Metal bands.
Soon as i heard that opening riff on override the overture by dismember i had to have it. Dont care if its overrated or not nothing as vile (in a good way) has come close.
I disagree! I think a lot of builders have made versions of the HM2 that are easier to use and correct some flaws in the original circuit. I have 2 here that are both excellent contenders! Vid coming soon 👀
@@TaylorDanley thats what i mean! I like its flawed sound! Making it sound better would be like polishing a turd. Theres just no point i like the rawness of its sound cause it is flawed
I see your point 🤔. I think you might be surprised though, hm2 tone is not my go to, but I think these 2 that I have are amazing!
I personally love doubling it up with my EVH. I love blending a good high gain tube distortion with the slaughterhouse that is the HM-2. I'll put a tubescreamer or OCD before the HM-2 for a slight boost to sculpt the tone a bit more.
Would the Slaughter f the Soul sound better with more modern gear? Just listened to the newest At The Gate album. They still use a HM-2 pedal.
Does anyone what kind of pedals and amps the band Massacre uses in the album "From Beyond"?
Now I wonder what Dismember used for "Like an Ever Flowing Stream"…
They borrowed Nicke Andersson's Peavey Special (combo) and used it with an HM-2. This was their setup from the demo through PIECES and MASSIVE KILLING CAPACITY.
I think we're seeing a renaissance in regards to experimentations with metal tones - as last 10-15 years has been the same old cookie-cutter boosted 5150 or Mesa tones with V30 loaded cabs, SM57, and that's why HM-2 has become a bit more popular lately, among other pedals and fuzz-es. Overall I like HM-2, as it gives that - fuck you and your polished tone - in your face distortion it provides, it pisses off people :D So no - I wouldn't say it's overrated. At least in my book :)
Agreed! I am a bit of an ENGL fan boy meself, and I think we should be hearing more tones with the Savage and the E530! Bless Brainworx and Mercuriall for respectively making awesome plugins of these. A boosted AMT E1 also sounds incredible through the right IR
@@apoplexiamusic uff, yes, I agree with you :) I love Savage and Fireball, although E530 a bit too dark for my taste. Mercuriall is soo underrated! Love their plugins 👌
Yeah that's true. Although those cookie cutter tones are really good, which is why you probably hear them so much.
Taylor Danley true, I like cookie cutter tone myself, but I get smile on my face when I hear something different lately :)
Taylor Danley definitely! And the latest version of the Amped Roots plugin has amazing versions of those tones, amongst other plugins. I know you can only have so much variation on a high gain tone, but it’s good to hear new ones sometimes (like the NIN tone)
Hi I have a question do you use a 9v or a 12v power supply for the Boss HM-2? I will buy one this week but I only have a Strymon Ojai wich is a 9v with 5 slots... The other option that I have is to power supply it through my TU-3 will that work?? and is it much difference between a 9v and a 12v in the HM-2? greetings from Chile
Depends on which revision you get. The original MIJ are 12v. I'm not sure about the Taiwain versions, but the new Wazas are 9v. If they are underpowered they sound super weak.
You should check out "stoort neer", it's a solo project from Calle Thomer from Vildhjarta. He uses the hm-2 from the TSEx50 with a lot of pitch shifting and sounds dirty af
I usually double my guitar tracks, one with a Mesa like sound, tight distortion and middle scoop, and the second guitar with an hm2 to have a raw texture and I blend them. Sounds brutal
I think if you used the mic-ing trick that at the gates did as well, it would possibly sound better.
At the gates used a metal zone through one amp and a hm2 through another and entombed used three amps two with the hm2 and one in the Center using a ds1 “to clean up the sound” is what I have read and I believe it as I have tried it
Atg used a hm to boost an mt. Entombed used hm on L+R and just ds in the middle.
On recordings
1:20 In this clip, not really, by that time he'd gone back to Big Muff style pedals. He used the HM-2 mostly on his 1984 solo album About Face. You can check out some of the shows. I always liked the tone he was getting from that thing, really enhancing the bright tone of the strat.
Could you make a video where you replicate Black Breath guitar tone?
I'd like to do more HM-2 stuff in the future for sure!
Ive bought this thing twice. The first time, I was so excited to get the Swedish tone from it but I was never able to make it sound good. The second time I bought for the intention of making my own flavor by boosting it with another pedal but I’m still not able to make it sound good lol. Pretty sure it’s cuz of my pos 2x12 solid state amp but by looking at the prices I think I’m holding on to mine
never got a good sound out of it; it appears to be an aquired taste; my only regret is not knowing the one i bought used for $45 is worth a lot more than that today
It's a one trick pony but damn does it slap. I get it that is has become kind of a meme, but that sound is so nostalgic if you started on 90s metal. It also has the benefit of being such an unusual sound because of the drastic EQ, that it really helps the guitar stand out and retain separation which is why it works for more melodic death metal. This was a great video!!
Yeah I agree. I used a metal zone for a long time for the same reason. 🤘
Mixing those two sounds together would work best I reckon.
🤔 probably right!
I think At the gates tone was pretty edgy and normal for it´s time, I always felt like it wasn´t as coarse or different from the era high gain tone standard as Entombed or Dismember tone was. It´s important to notice the infamous and so widely used raw hm2 direct to dirty amp tone originates precisely from Stockholm and not Gothenburg were ATG comes from.
I love my HM-2, and I think it's really versatile. It's a gnarly fuzz pedal, basically. If you keep the high knob at no more than 3 o'clock, it's a fuzz pedal. I've heard Lenny Kravitz used an HM-2 as a fuzz pedal. I use mine as a boost, and I don't dime the low and high knobs. I've heard Entombed used a DS-1 along with the HM-2. When I listen to Bloodbath I'm certain they boosted their HM-2 with an overdrive. I've tried this with my Tubescreamer and it's nasty.
Yeah it really is. Boost with a TS 🤔 sounds nasty!
Nasty as in good, or bad?
@@danielbentley7117 Both, actually. It sounds bad with the Tubescreamer's volume all the way up, really noisy. Dial back the volume, say, 3 o'clock, and it'll tighten up the HM-2's low end. It's cool if you need a mid boost. It sounds like Bloodbath boosted their HM-2 with a Tubescreamer.
My first guitar rig was a Squire II, HM-2 into a Gorilla bass combo. It was 1990 and I was so impressed with the sound until as a drummer, I started jamming with a guitarist I met at school. He brought over a Mesa/Boogie Mk4 head with a Mesa/Boogie 4X12 loaded with 2-vintage 30's & 2-EVM's. Suddenly I was greatly disappointed with my little Swedish guitar tone. LOL
😂😂 happens to the best of us
this is gold truth (am a mark iv owner)
I think I would like something somewhere in between those two tones. The HM2/MT2 tone was a buzzy mess, but the plugin had zero top end, and got buried in the mix.
You beat me to it so I'll just second what you said. I'll also add that if I HAVE to choose between those two I'd take the HM2/MT2. At least you would be able to hear it in a live setting whereas the bass and drums would probably drown out that plugin..............
You know what's funny, I think it just seems that way listening to them A/B. That Revv tone comes in a chop tones pack, and sounds killer on it's own 🤷♂️
I personally love the Black Metalish tone with At The Gates early guitar sound.
When a guitarist is limited on equipment or forced to use what you can afford, they will find a unique tone that could change music. Ask Eddie VH if that worked for him. Great video.
Thanks! Yeah totally, I was gonna rant on how the hm-2 most likely was used because musicians were poor, and it got them into that nasty territory on a budget, but I cut that part out. Left in the little clip from ATG saying they were poor though to sort of highlight that point.
I don't understand this need for pretty tones in metal nowadays, for christ sakes most of the amps and pedals that make most of these guys favourite tones are from cheap gear shitty sounding gear. For christ sakes combo peavey amps, Marshall valvistates, MT-2, and HM-2 all with scooped out mids. I mean come on you don't need a $3000 mess boogie amp to find a good tone.
This is funny to me, I bought a HM-2 a long time ago because it’s a great pedal to put synths through, and they were dirt cheap. It was really popular with acid house artist’s, namely because the high and low knobs sort of act as a high and low pass filter that you can tweak in real time.
I only heard of Sweedish death metal because I wondered why HM-2’s are fetching such high prices these days. Moral of the story, bought this pedal for synths, did some investigating as to why they’re absurdly priced on the used market, now own a copy of left hand path 🤘
The TH-U settings you used loses almost ALL it's high end bias and tonality that makes the HM-2 and the MT-2 deliver outstanding tones. Your comparison here makes the pedals the obvious choice. I have never used the TH-U plugin, but overall I have never been that impressed with any plugins for distortion or overdrive of which the the best guitar plugins are impulse responses of mic & cab. Are you able to fine tune the TH-U to match the high fidelity tonality or was that the best the TH-U can do?
Where to get that rack mount TH-U pls? (j/k lol) Seriously though, I can't believe Boss has not put out a Waza Craft version of this pedal yet.
😂 yeah, or even just reissued the pedal. They seem content to let others make clones 🤷♂️
I think the Waza team would ruin it, but they can take that as a dare.
Well, I have good news for you haha
@@matthammond3563 Yes, I saw that it is coming! Awesome!
They’re doing a Waza version now, but the beauty of this pedal is that it was so bad and overall unusable. I’m not sure what a Waza version of this would entail...
I really like the HM2 but I'm not a fan of most death metal or metal at all. That which is more punk influenced like Grindcore and crust punk I adore as well as sludge and -of course- Black Sabbath but I really like the sound in a harsh noise or noise rock setting. Either as an effect to drive the shit out of feedback loop on an analog mixer or to use it as distortion along with fuzz, underlying feedback and ocillations. Cool pedal, big respect to all the melo-death guys who put it on the map but the most metal I can go is Boltthrower. \m/
Before they got super radio the Amboy Duke's were actually pretty metal sometimes. They would occasionally just let the nudge play I happen to have gotten my hands on and analog to digital direct conversion high quality copy of the first album. Holy crap when they start rocking!
hi taylor! i being following you for a long time... actually i recently bought an AX8 second hand because of you and i don't regret any penny ... so... has a follower , subscriber and fan... please, make a video trying to achieve the tone i'm after for so many years... the system of a down guitar tone... the ´´system of a down tone``album, please... ;P
🤔 the self titled tone? I really like early SOAD. That's def a possibility. Glad your stoked on it, it's an awesome piece of gear!
@@TaylorDanley its on this One... ua-cam.com/video/WjOk3CjTbGo/v-deo.html
I'm not a system of a dawn fan, at all. I'm more like an hold school death metal and black metal guy... But that guitar Tone being mess with my mind for too many years... Hehe. Thanks for your answer and keep the great work. Ohhhh, and I'm sorry about my English... hope you understand me.
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No. It is not. It's magic.
I'll concede this though, most clones are fine and there's no difference between the MIJ and Taiwan HM-2s.
What if you blended both together?
What should happen is up to the artist who plays it. You do what you like and the shoulds and shouldn'ts in general are not important. If it sounds right for your music, which ever way you feel it should be, is the right way and the whole idea is to enjoy experimenting
I had with a pevey backstage and loved it.
I have === TWO === of these bad boys.
However --- one needs to go to the shop to be looked at.
I use it with an Ibanez DL5 Digital delay soundtank into an Ibanez soundtank chorus.
This is an INCREDIBLE sound.
I run all this into a Peavey TNT150 150 Watt slant combo Bi - Amped into a 200 watt Acoustic 140 amp head - acoustic 104, 6 by 10 Cabinet.
I get total 350 watts of pure POWER.
I have the original black label and I can get just about anything I want out of it for sound and it sounds excellent even on various different amps whether they’re cheap or good it sounds great. Far as I’m concerned if you’re going to only buy one pedal that’s the one
I’ve owned two of them for years, always thought they were horrid on guitar tbh. I used mine for bass guitar and for that it’s amazing, I do like the Swedish DM setting though, it’s a one trick pony but a good one.
I wouldn't be too quick to call it a one-trick-pony considering its usage on the album "loveless"
mursui -yeah, that’s not a fair description tbh.
I tried my metal zone with a Behringer tm-300 Sounded pretty good I was surprised.
Yeah, the metal zone is pretty underrated.... new video idea? 🤔
@@TaylorDanley do the same with the behringer variants lol
wht do u think of dnafx git its $140
Haven't had the chance to try one, but a friend I trust said it's just like a rehoused ge150, but sounds worse 🤷♂️ take that for what its worth.
@@TaylorDanley I'm not sure it has worse sound since it has the same specs as GE-150.
Still, I would like to hear your opinion on it.
The swedish chainsaw sound? Yes. Very much so. David gilmour type fuzzy distortion? Incredibly underrated
Nice Throne Of Iron shirt! 👊⚡
I bought left-hand path on cassette when it first came out.
Sounds really cool in that combination with HM-2 and MT-2. For me personally, the sound of the old-school Swedish Deathmetal Bands is of course iconic. I can´t deal with the new Generation who experimenting with that sound in a more or less NU-Metal style. I´m curious how it would sound with the new HM-2 from Waza Craft or the clone pedals on the market.
HM2 is a Legend. I have 5 originals from 1985-1988 and sometimes chained them together - just for fun.
😂😂😂 that's amazing.
What does THAT sound like?
@@thefuneralparade My 100w amp howls when 3 are on, so I had to turn the treble (all 3 pedals) way down to just 2, when 4 are on the feedbacks are un-bearable , when all 5 are on i HAD TO turn down all distortion knobs to just mid-way : but FUN ! ! . . . i also have 5 RAT deucetone, hehe. . .
Stop hogging them asshole
Municipal waste also used it on their earlier albums (maybe later too)
The version with the HM-2 sounds so much better than the one with the modern plugins
Godflesh used it too. On bass and guitar.
And that is proper heavy shit
Wait wait wait... I'm confused by this. Everything I've ever read and heard about the "Swedish Chainsaw" sound says nothing about routing an HM-2 into and MT-2, including articles on Wikipedia. They all say the guitars were run through a cheap Peavey amp, with the HM-2 out front. Two tracks were panned hard left/right, and a Boss DS-1 was tracked in the center for added clarity. I'm not saying you are wrong, but do you have some source/proof of this completely different method you are describing? I would think more people would have heard of this if this is the case...
Now it's been a while since you wrote the comment, and by now you probably know the answer. But for those who don't:
The MT-2 and HM-2 combination is part of the techniques used to achieve the sound used on Slaughter of The Soul. The technique you're referring to here is the classic "Sunlight Studio" technique used to capture the sound known from Left Hand Path by Entombed.
You should do the ( line 6 uber metal ) that thing is pretty good.
It's on my radar!
@@TaylorDanley remember the "scoop" isnt actually a scoop. Thats why there is a red ring around it connecting it to the mid knob. When its all the way up the mid knob turns into a morph knob. Its very noticeable on the pulverize setting.
Good to know. I actually saw one earlier today.. might still be there 🤔
Need to run it into a tube amp
Oh fuck he's gonna open a portal to hell
I think it should be as first intended! It's a classic sound these days that has inspired hundreds if not thousands of bands.
the only thing i dont get is why its called a distortion, it really feels like a overdrive to me. like it has very little sustain compared to other distortions. thats the only part i dont understand. and it seems to work best with a tube amps, which is usually the case with overdrives as well. what am i missing here?
Pedal fells “real” ... nostalgic I don’t know... plugin sounds better but worse it’s to explain, the pedals sounds much more immersive.
Bloody hell. I prefer the boss combo for this track, really a morbid tone and so early 90s. Your take on the tone takes it three steps closer to something that’s ok to listen to with you mum and granny during xmas.
oh man, now I'm going to have to riff this song tonight. great video.
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The Sound of love!
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boss MZ and HM together sounding fuc....g great !! thank you for this movie..
Realy cool insight into the sound....keep up the great work...
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I bought an original MIJ HM-2 from an estate sale back in like 2008, 9?? And it was still mint in box for $100... Now people are buying thrashed up ones with missing nobs for more than twice that... I cringe every time I accidentally make another scratch on mine but everyone else looks like they pulled theirs out of a fucking ewaste dumpster.
Fuck paying 200+ bones for one, just get an Eyemaster (I also have and is ok) Or build a Swede. Waiting for the Waza version to eventually drop as well.
Although the surface mounted chipset looks like shit for the Hm-2w...
My Bloody Valentine were another early HM2 pioneer.
The HM2 is I think both underrated and overrated. Underrated as in that its actually more versatile than many people think. Overrated as in too many bands use it to go for the greatest guitar sound of all time, the Swedish chainsaw.
bass with emg + HM-2 (set 7-10-10-1) +MXR M80 clean+color a little bit of bass boost ... FIX THE WALLS NEXT WEEK
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I would say the pedal is properly rated and deserving of it’s cult status. It’s like using a fuzz pedal for death metal but you don’t want to be associated with the 60’s
😂 fair statement
@@TaylorDanley 😂
Thought Gilmore used the digital metalizer
name of the demo song?
Slaughter of the Soul by at the gates
@@TaylorDanley nice bro thanks
Boss hm2 has had its time in the sun. Back in the day swedish bands etc yes. Love it. Nowdays with modern bands literally using the “hm2 death metal” title it sucks.
Slint and MVB used this pedal too,so it´s not only something property of the metal scene
I tried a HM2 and HM3 side by side. I liked the HM3 better. Not as muddy as the HM2
I absolutely LOVE the HM2!!!!
I had one back in the 90's and used it to over fuzz boost my ds1 for some punk parts. I like it. Sold it for $18.00 like a dumb ass, now regretting it!
decibel or disciple ?
Personally I think the klon is the most overrated pedal imo
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You can get decent klones for around 100 bucks(cdn) now, like the EHX soul food, so the klon being overrated is kindof a moot point.
Of course if ppl want to spend 1000 dollars for a "transparent" drive that's their prerogative I guess...
@@joeyjo-joshabadu9636 Even the clones sometimes are overrated.
@@szveszs Overrated is one thing. Overpriced is another.
@@joeyjo-joshabadu9636 youre right
Это афигенная педаль- обажаю как звучит електрогитара через неё!!
Both sound good
Yes
OG setup more chainsaw. Searing. Both bad ass.
What I’ve heard about the Slaughter of the Soul recordings is that they wanted the Metal Zone-sound but didn’t like how it sounded into a clean amp so they used the HM2 to ”crunch up” the amp, meaning that the Metal Zone went into the HM2 and not the other way around.
And as someone previously stated, the distorsion on the HM2 was set to zero or close to it, and I would also guess that the Metal Zone didn’t need that much distorsion when combined with the HM2 either.
How to find this pedal?It's such a rare stuff and a bit dear
I always found this pedal/tone was kinda limiting. It almost dictates the type of riffs and techniques you use to an extent. I just remembering trying this at a friend's house in '90/'91 and when I played certain riffs it sounded horrible. So I was never a big fan of the pedal or tone. Being an old man now, ill admit I have more respect for it, and new bands seemed to have figured out some different things with it. But yeah, it always seemed a very limiting tone. Just my opinion.
Fair point, but I think that’s the case with most uber high gain pedals. For example if you play a high gain fuzz it sounds awesome for some things and other things turn to mush or lose essential nuances.
The plugin rips the soul away.
Огонь!
No, just really hard to find.
Theres a ton of them on reverb right now
First HM2, then MT2... ATG sound.
Now take the metal zone and put it in to an amps fx return....
And you lost this beautiful Swedish Death Metal sound…
Not really. Just turns the metal zone into a preamp.
That's probably what I'd do if I wanted to dial these in. However I was trying to do it the same way ATG originally did, so I found the closest sim I could to a solid state peavey and ran them in front.
@@AndrewStonerock The mt-2 in clean channel is the base of this filthy sound boosted by the hm-2. Used as a preamp it won't give you this tone easily.
The HM-2 isn't, but keep it away from the bee box pls
Nah, that tone legit shakes a small room without killing my ears, great way to make an entrance. I've been trying to hunt down wtf this sound was, and I've been listening to this genre for 20 yrs, and here we are XD . Overrated..... maybe overused, no...... very overused!!!! Is there a way to get this tone without buying the HM-2 itself ? #PovertyGuitarist
100% get the hm300 from behringer. It's almost exactly the same
I'd say if any pedal is overrated it would be either the TS808 or DS-1. The HM2 is too niche to be the most overrated pedal ever.
Thumbnail has you looking like every other generic UA-cam queen : instantly your opinion means nothing.
I thought the same and down thumbed for cringey thumb. I can't be the only one.
@@AgeofReason that generic UA-cam "OMG my life is over" thumbnail. Pass. Dude is a bitch 😂
I’ve heard some obnoxious and offensive guitar tones but that hm/metalzone really takes the bisquit. Well done?
i think any of the chase bliss trash is the most overrated
Maybe,but them popping eyed faces are definately overrated
I like the Corpse approach, getting a high gain amp set up and then using the metal zone as a boost. The metal zone instantly works with every amp ive tried it with as a boost. My jvm, my rockerverb, my dual rec, all sound awesome boosted with a metal zone.
I have an original hm-2 and let me tell you I hate the sound so much. Good pedal, but I can't stand the sound.
I love Slaughter of the Soul, one of my very favorite albums. But, in my opinion, the plugin sounded much better than the pedals.
Same 😬😬😬
Overrated lol...I bought one back 80s..totally hated it...and sold it..
I see you cheating on those triples.