Really good list, UT priority is very tricky since most people have different ubers but for your criteria I think you made some very fair judgements. I only disagree with Cat Machine not being at the bottom but I’m glad someone sees how wildly units like Ice and Coppermine benefit from UT.
Shingen has such a long attack animation which is the only thing I find annoying bout him, even tho when he hits it’s like 200k and he decimates everything.
The only thing I disagree with is Cat Machine MK3 being at C tier. It would be in D tier due to 2 of them captalizing on his worst aspect without actually fixing it.
@Heswatchingyou-pd1kw Only issue is that talents can't change the unit's animations, so in order to lower his foreswing he would require an ultra form instead of ultra talents
Amazing dps against everything (34k) shield piercing, good range and immunity to waves and surges, bro deserves S tier. If Kuu is in S tier then Anubis should also be there. Kuu only gets 37k against her target traits, so Anubis already outmatches her a bit. Also he has Z kill, there is literally no stage you can’t use Anubis on.
just remember, this is a tier list of how good of improvements they get, not a priority ranking. While it is a good general priority ranking, i would put ganesha (and anubis) up a tier, even at the top, as they are some of the best units with their UTs, even tho they dont get the best buffs. Especially Ganesha, since he is a great uber before UFs, but his UFs give him top 10 status
Decent list, but can be improved further. For example, Mad doctor’s ultra form is clearly overrated for having only one extra target. Annubus is clearly underrated. Let’s talk about how much he gains. He gains less time between attack, which effectively increase his DPS. He is immune to wave, surge. He got 70% to break any shields, which is an aku killer move. He definitely deserves an S tier, even more than anyone who is already in S tier list.
To be honest i feel like we might get UT/UF for Rares/Super rares now that all of them have a true form and talents and they arent that hard to get to level 60
- i thought anubis should be rated as the best ultra talent uber ever because after he got the ultra talent the community rated him on par with the quartet (balrog, dphono, phonoa, dasli) while before he was rated as the worst in his banner ;/ - i also think that thunder god zues should be rated higher with his ultra talent because i think he is one of the best behemoth slayer uber with ultra talent so i think he should be at least B tier 🐸☝
Anubis gets 34k dps against every trait, immunity to waves and surges, barrier breaker and shield piercing, has great range, zkiller and knockback and slow immunity, there is literally no stage you can’t use him on. Yeah other UT units may have more damage than him, but they can’t be used as universally as Anubis.
I’d argue Anubis and Aphrodite are moved into S tier (A tier at the least for Aphrodite) because Anubis gets 34k dps against everything (calculated with the surge) with no conditions, has a very safe range and can pierce shields. Aphrodite gets a staggering 46k dps against aliens and gets a little under 12k dps against everything else, which for a super backliner is insane. Keep in mind Akira gets nearly 50k dps against his target traits (against Aku anyways). I would say move Ganesha down to B tier because his dps is rather low, even when strengthened, but then again he hits up to 725 range, so even if he doesn’t hit as hard as those in A or S tier, he hits the enemy backline.
are you out of your mind? Ganeshas 26k strengthened dps is fuckin nuts. Thats higher than dasli at the same level and range, with batshit DPH, much better LD, no multihit problems, and thats at 80% hp. Ganesha is easy top 10, best almighty and one of the best ubers in the game. Also akira only gets that amount of dps against his targets at 33% health.
@Nateopotato177 it's a tier-list, so i think how much the talent improves the unit + if it's worthiness should be question. Like Ultralan Pasalan doesn't really gain much from this talents to begin with.
Giving an s tier for immortial shingen is kinda overrated. Man, he gets 3 target traits, which in paper sounds good, but, if we look closely has it's drawbacks. Let's look at each traits one by one. 1. Red: If we ignore, that mostly red target is highly powercreeped, it has some potential usages. Due to most red enemies being bulky, and having less kb counts, gives shingen good target to deal massive amount of damage to them. But, he could miss sometimes against red peons, but it gets less annoying by game progression. Against long range red units, he still has usages due to it's bulky hp, but it also can be it's bottleneck due to less kb count. 2. Zombies: No zombie killer and also sluggish animation and the fact most zombies can borrow makes him bad target against zombies. Let's talk about borrowing zombies. Most of them are likely going to burrow faster, than shingen finishes it's attack animation, resulting him to miss. Secondly, it's bulky, but not bulky enough to stand against horde of zombies, attacking them. His role is not tanking, but landing huge damage to it's traits. Most of anti-zombie cats have either zombie killer or lots of knock back to stand on safer position or both of them. It has none of them. Even if he finishes his long going attack animation, he'll mostly die after that, because of less knockback count, and even after finishing with zombies, it'll not permanently kill them, but leaving corpse, which is not nice in some scenarios. 3. Aku: Kinda usable. We know, that aku love making surges, and even without of them they also have shields to protect themselves from cat attacks and cc. Shingen has no shield piercing ability in ut, and even if we support with other shield piercers to give him chance to land a hit, he could die after from counter surges. So, you land a shingen to take care of aku bears, snakes and penguins, have taken support units to pierce shield, then It (shingen) lands a hit to bear and dies after from surge spam. Better take phono, or lusifer for aku stage instead of him. But against stages with less surge spam he kinda can be usable. The important factor is 'kinda', because he still can miss, die from other non targeted units and not being really useful.
Shin gets 36k dps against his target traits while Anubis gets 34k against everything and has not only immunities but is a breaker, a piercer and a zkiller. If Shin is an S then Anubis more than deserves S tier as well.
Zeus is basically stronger version of urs wolf with greater investment and with behoth slayer and level 60 stat that thing is a beast with 12k DPS with 140,000 base health against behemoth Zeus does insane 30k DPS Per hit it has 72k in level 60 with behemoth slayer it has effective 180k damage per hit (with relative fast attack rate ) with 700k health against angels on top of behemoth slayer which does 0.6 X damage reduction against them has 1.6 mil health which is crazy (both angel and behemoth) Don't forget about it having 480 range which is so insane compared to It's stat distribution Conclusion Zeus is not worth it if you have urs but stat wise tho it is pretty good
Stronger Urs with ridiculous investment pretty much. Idk Urs is already doing 25000 dps against behemoths at level 50 and there are better things to spend dark catseyes on. Could be worth it if Dark Catseyes become more available
If you're ranking purely talents then Megidora should be higher 'cause of 2 new targets like u did with Shingen. Also Masamune's mini waves gives him amazing pushing power so imo he should be at least B/A Last unit I disagree with is Anubis. Like Akira, Anubis is a definition of high cost-high reward. Combination of his Talents and Ultra Talents makes him one of the best generalists in the game so IMO his UT are pure S. Damn, that ATD makes his DPS skyrocket Anyway nice list
its how the UT improve the unit, and megidoras doesnt rlly improve him as much as shingen, because shingens gimmick is not having all traits. also 2 does not = 3
Shes good, one of the best galaxy gals actually, her level 3 mini surge gives her about 11K dps for a CC unit which is kinda insane but Its also pairs amazingly with her CC giving it over 100% freeze uptime
She becomes really solid but it’s definitely a really big investment but max investments she becomes a amazing zombie floating cc with solid dps and relatively cheap deployment, only thing I feel like she needs is Z-killer
@@DapydapTheDude in that case, is there any practical use for this knowledge? i dont think we should be upgrading nekoluga talent even if the talent is good if the overall cat is still shit or is it just judging pono's ability to make decisions
The main reason for getting UT for your units is to add another layer of power onto them, so looking at the talents in isolation from the regular talents is like assessing the power of a unit’s talents without caring about the units own stats. “Oh yeah cool down reduction is good”, yes, it would be if it wasn’t in a unit with a cd over two minutes. “So zombie and zombie killer are pretty good” they are but this unit wasn’t designed to fight zombies, and its main trait isn’t usually paired with zombies. A good example is Akira, who’s strengthen and freeze talents work with his surge and Aku targeting to make him an amazing anti Aku and anti alien unit that has 50k dps against Aku, and even more against aliens with cc to boot. He’s an S tier not because of his UTs alone, but also because of his base talents interacting with his UTs.
Yeah, because they both literally become God's after ultra talents. 22k dps (for ganesha, wtih a pierce of 275 to 725) and 33k for anubis (who has tons of immunities)
I think what Tong meant was “why aren’t they both of them S tier?”, rather than “what makes them so good that they’re in A tier?”. They both deserve an S because Anubis gets 34k dps against everything and has abilities and immunities that allow him to be used universally, while Ganesha, even though he lacks in dps compared to many other UT units, he can pierce up to 725 range, making him useful as a sniper. Aphrodite is also in the same vain, as she can get up to over 40k dps against aliens, and around 11k against everything else while being in the safety of the backline. The reason why several units with massive damage have been given ultra forms instead of talents is because of how their numbers would inflate like Aphrodite’s if they got the right talents.
I dont understand… you said you were going to rank them based on their UT, and not the unit itself? Then why megidora got B tier? It triple its usage while getting a wave. I dont like the unit either but his UT benifits this unit greatly
Only the units listed have them, they must be in their true form and be level 60 which requires having 25 uber rare catseyes, 15 dark catseyes and possibly another stipulation like having beat UL
Decent list, but can be improved further. For example, Mad doctor’s ultra form is clearly overrated for having only one extra target. Annubus is clearly underrated. Let’s talk about how much he gains. He gains less time between attack, which effectively increase his DPS. He is immune to wave, surge. He got 70% to break any shields, which is an aku killer move. He definitely deserves an S tier, even more than anyone who is already in S tier list.
Really good list, UT priority is very tricky since most people have different ubers but for your criteria I think you made some very fair judgements. I only disagree with Cat Machine not being at the bottom but I’m glad someone sees how wildly units like Ice and Coppermine benefit from UT.
agree
I will say Anubis is objectively S, because he gets buffed the most from tba decrease
Thanks bro!
U should do the same too btw
I love how shingen didn't get a single hit
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Shingen has such a long attack animation which is the only thing I find annoying bout him, even tho when he hits it’s like 200k and he decimates everything.
The only thing I disagree with is Cat Machine MK3 being at C tier.
It would be in D tier due to 2 of them captalizing on his worst aspect without actually fixing it.
Yeah something like attack duration would fit more
@Heswatchingyou-pd1kw Only issue is that talents can't change the unit's animations, so in order to lower his foreswing he would require an ultra form instead of ultra talents
Megidora...B tier?
This...can't be...
Ummm
This can’t B…
How’s Raiden in A tier lol. And I’d move Ultralan to A tier. Ultralans ultra talents actually make him so much better
When i saw ice cat get metal i almost fell off my seat then i knew what he meant and i was like "oooh"
LETS GOOOO BRO
Thx for reviewing UT like i suggested
Also huge W for not forgetting Ruri like 99% of bc youtubers (x skull please review her bruh)
everything look good but bro... anubis... A tier... really? 😭😭 imo he should be S without doubts
Amazing dps against everything (34k) shield piercing, good range and immunity to waves and surges, bro deserves S tier. If Kuu is in S tier then Anubis should also be there. Kuu only gets 37k against her target traits, so Anubis already outmatches her a bit. Also he has Z kill, there is literally no stage you can’t use Anubis on.
i agree, and while i understand why ganesha isnt in S-tier, he still deserves to be mentioned as top priority due to being top 10 when UFd
Great video. Working out who i wanted to UT first, this helps a lot.
just remember, this is a tier list of how good of improvements they get, not a priority ranking. While it is a good general priority ranking, i would put ganesha (and anubis) up a tier, even at the top, as they are some of the best units with their UTs, even tho they dont get the best buffs. Especially Ganesha, since he is a great uber before UFs, but his UFs give him top 10 status
@Nateopotato177 ok good to know!
Decent list, but can be improved further. For example, Mad doctor’s ultra form is clearly overrated for having only one extra target. Annubus is clearly underrated. Let’s talk about how much he gains. He gains less time between attack, which effectively increase his DPS. He is immune to wave, surge. He got 70% to break any shields, which is an aku killer move. He definitely deserves an S tier, even more than anyone who is already in S tier list.
Damn what song was used at 7:05?
Make a tier list of the best Uber’s from every set
To be honest i feel like we might get UT/UF for Rares/Super rares now that all of them have a true form and talents and they arent that hard to get to level 60
Ice cat--A
Cat machine--C
Nurse--C
Masamune--C
Shingen--S
Kuu--S
Coppermine--A
Megidora--B
Sodom--B
Kamakura--C
Raiden--A
Momotaro--B
Kachi-Kachi--B
Akira--S
Mekako--A
Warlock & Pierre--S
Zeus--D
Anubis--A
Ganesha--A
Aphrodite--B
Himeyuri--D
Ruri--C/B
Nekoluga--B
- i thought anubis should be rated as the best ultra talent uber ever because after he got the ultra talent the community rated him on par with the quartet (balrog, dphono, phonoa, dasli) while before he was rated as the worst in his banner ;/
- i also think that thunder god zues should be rated higher with his ultra talent because i think he is one of the best behemoth slayer uber with ultra talent so i think he should be at least B tier 🐸☝
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@duylongnguyen415 ;)?
he's maybe A+ or A, not as good as the quartet, especially with the amount of needed investment
Anubis gets 34k dps against every trait, immunity to waves and surges, barrier breaker and shield piercing, has great range, zkiller and knockback and slow immunity, there is literally no stage you can’t use him on. Yeah other UT units may have more damage than him, but they can’t be used as universally as Anubis.
@@wingdingfontbro most of the stuff you mentioned didnt come from this list, making it irrelevent for this tier list
You should mention orb slots, Aphro can reach 48k DPS against aliens with 2 massive orbs. Nice list tho.
Omg cool dude (this player does not know that Zeus is one of the sh^%*st ubers ever)
this new pfp look rly good and the rank is good i hope you will be one of the biggest battle cat youtuber
I’m biased but I really like Megidora, if only because he carried my early game
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I’d argue Anubis and Aphrodite are moved into S tier (A tier at the least for Aphrodite) because Anubis gets 34k dps against everything (calculated with the surge) with no conditions, has a very safe range and can pierce shields. Aphrodite gets a staggering 46k dps against aliens and gets a little under 12k dps against everything else, which for a super backliner is insane. Keep in mind Akira gets nearly 50k dps against his target traits (against Aku anyways). I would say move Ganesha down to B tier because his dps is rather low, even when strengthened, but then again he hits up to 725 range, so even if he doesn’t hit as hard as those in A or S tier, he hits the enemy backline.
are you out of your mind? Ganeshas 26k strengthened dps is fuckin nuts. Thats higher than dasli at the same level and range, with batshit DPH, much better LD, no multihit problems, and thats at 80% hp. Ganesha is easy top 10, best almighty and one of the best ubers in the game. Also akira only gets that amount of dps against his targets at 33% health.
I'd say Sodom and Ultralan should be D tier.
They are somewhat useful but for using the precious resources on them seems too much of a waste.
@@Ornyl thats not what the list is about
@Nateopotato177 it's a tier-list, so i think how much the talent improves the unit + if it's worthiness should be question.
Like Ultralan Pasalan doesn't really gain much from this talents to begin with.
@@Ornyl yeah, but investment was never in the methodology, so my comment still stands
Did anyone else notice the thumbnail says sad?
2:19 she boutta be top 1 unit in TBC if that’s true
Tell me why the thumbnail says s a d sad whats wrong?
Giving an s tier for immortial shingen is kinda overrated. Man, he gets 3 target traits, which in paper sounds good, but, if we look closely has it's drawbacks. Let's look at each traits one by one.
1. Red: If we ignore, that mostly red target is highly powercreeped, it has some potential usages. Due to most red enemies being bulky, and having less kb counts, gives shingen good target to deal massive amount of damage to them. But, he could miss sometimes against red peons, but it gets less annoying by game progression. Against long range red units, he still has usages due to it's bulky hp, but it also can be it's bottleneck due to less kb count.
2. Zombies: No zombie killer and also sluggish animation and the fact most zombies can borrow makes him bad target against zombies. Let's talk about borrowing zombies. Most of them are likely going to burrow faster, than shingen finishes it's attack animation, resulting him to miss. Secondly, it's bulky, but not bulky enough to stand against horde of zombies, attacking them. His role is not tanking, but landing huge damage to it's traits. Most of anti-zombie cats have either zombie killer or lots of knock back to stand on safer position or both of them. It has none of them. Even if he finishes his long going attack animation, he'll mostly die after that, because of less knockback count, and even after finishing with zombies, it'll not permanently kill them, but leaving corpse, which is not nice in some scenarios.
3. Aku: Kinda usable. We know, that aku love making surges, and even without of them they also have shields to protect themselves from cat attacks and cc. Shingen has no shield piercing ability in ut, and even if we support with other shield piercers to give him chance to land a hit, he could die after from counter surges. So, you land a shingen to take care of aku bears, snakes and penguins, have taken support units to pierce shield, then It (shingen) lands a hit to bear and dies after from surge spam. Better take phono, or lusifer for aku stage instead of him.
But against stages with less surge spam he kinda can be usable. The important factor is 'kinda', because he still can miss, die from other non targeted units and not being really useful.
Shin gets 36k dps against his target traits while Anubis gets 34k against everything and has not only immunities but is a breaker, a piercer and a zkiller. If Shin is an S then Anubis more than deserves S tier as well.
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Zeus is basically stronger version of urs wolf with greater investment
and with behoth slayer and level 60 stat that thing is a beast with 12k DPS with 140,000 base health
against behemoth Zeus does insane 30k DPS
Per hit it has 72k in level 60 with behemoth slayer it has effective 180k damage per hit (with relative fast attack rate )
with 700k health against angels
on top of behemoth slayer which does 0.6 X damage reduction against them has 1.6 mil health which is crazy (both angel and behemoth)
Don't forget about it having 480 range which is so insane compared to It's stat distribution
Conclusion Zeus is not worth it if you have urs but stat wise tho it is pretty good
It legit becomes a behemoth destroyer
The rajakong destroyer
So basically Urs but expensive?
Stronger Urs with ridiculous investment pretty much. Idk Urs is already doing 25000 dps against behemoths at level 50 and there are better things to spend dark catseyes on. Could be worth it if Dark Catseyes become more available
It is much more expensive but if invested it provides more then urs
If you're ranking purely talents then Megidora should be higher 'cause of 2 new targets like u did with Shingen.
Also Masamune's mini waves gives him amazing pushing power so imo he should be at least B/A
Last unit I disagree with is Anubis. Like Akira, Anubis is a definition of high cost-high reward. Combination of his Talents and Ultra Talents makes him one of the best generalists in the game so IMO his UT are pure S. Damn, that ATD makes his DPS skyrocket
Anyway nice list
Because of all of his talents there is legitimately no stage he can’t be used on, he just screws everything.
its how the UT improve the unit, and megidoras doesnt rlly improve him as much as shingen, because shingens gimmick is not having all traits. also 2 does not = 3
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I think anubis should be S
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is coppermine good now with talents, or she's still dogsh-t?
Shes good, one of the best galaxy gals actually, her level 3 mini surge gives her about 11K dps for a CC unit which is kinda insane but Its also pairs amazingly with her CC giving it over 100% freeze uptime
She becomes really solid but it’s definitely a really big investment but max investments she becomes a amazing zombie floating cc with solid dps and relatively cheap deployment, only thing I feel like she needs is Z-killer
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Gamereon is lucky that he didn’t have ultra talents when you started making this list.
Fr and btw he's around C or B tier
i don’t understand, so this tier list is about how good the TALENTS are? and not how good the CAT IS AFTER NEW TALENTS?
Basically
@@DapydapTheDude in that case, is there any practical use for this knowledge?
i dont think we should be upgrading nekoluga talent even if the talent is good if the overall cat is still shit
or is it just judging pono's ability to make decisions
The main reason for getting UT for your units is to add another layer of power onto them, so looking at the talents in isolation from the regular talents is like assessing the power of a unit’s talents without caring about the units own stats. “Oh yeah cool down reduction is good”, yes, it would be if it wasn’t in a unit with a cd over two minutes. “So zombie and zombie killer are pretty good” they are but this unit wasn’t designed to fight zombies, and its main trait isn’t usually paired with zombies.
A good example is Akira, who’s strengthen and freeze talents work with his surge and Aku targeting to make him an amazing anti Aku and anti alien unit that has 50k dps against Aku, and even more against aliens with cc to boot. He’s an S tier not because of his UTs alone, but also because of his base talents interacting with his UTs.
Ganesha and Anubis A????
Yeah, because they both literally become God's after ultra talents. 22k dps (for ganesha, wtih a pierce of 275 to 725) and 33k for anubis (who has tons of immunities)
I think what Tong meant was “why aren’t they both of them S tier?”, rather than “what makes them so good that they’re in A tier?”. They both deserve an S because Anubis gets 34k dps against everything and has abilities and immunities that allow him to be used universally, while Ganesha, even though he lacks in dps compared to many other UT units, he can pierce up to 725 range, making him useful as a sniper. Aphrodite is also in the same vain, as she can get up to over 40k dps against aliens, and around 11k against everything else while being in the safety of the backline. The reason why several units with massive damage have been given ultra forms instead of talents is because of how their numbers would inflate like Aphrodite’s if they got the right talents.
I dont understand… you said you were going to rank them based on their UT, and not the unit itself? Then why megidora got B tier? It triple its usage while getting a wave. I dont like the unit either but his UT benifits this unit greatly
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saki has ut bruh
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Actually tho?
No she doesn't
@@Darktanyan she does look on the wiki
@@DapydapTheDude yes
How to get ultra talent
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Only the units listed have them, they must be in their true form and be level 60 which requires having 25 uber rare catseyes, 15 dark catseyes and possibly another stipulation like having beat UL
@ShadowHandle2638yeah you have to beat ul for level 60 ubers
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Decent list, but can be improved further. For example, Mad doctor’s ultra form is clearly overrated for having only one extra target. Annubus is clearly underrated. Let’s talk about how much he gains. He gains less time between attack, which effectively increase his DPS. He is immune to wave, surge. He got 70% to break any shields, which is an aku killer move. He definitely deserves an S tier, even more than anyone who is already in S tier list.