When I played the Doom games as a kid I was obsessed with getting monsters to fight each other but it was often such a pain in the ass to setup the fights. I even tried to figure out how to make my own levels but wasn't able to figure it out. Even today when playing Doom 64 I like to try and get monsters to infight just to observe. This channel is like a dream!
Have you tried binding keys? Try to put in the doom console bind (any key) "summon (any monster)" With that, you'll be able to summon monsters quickly and without opening the console constantly.
6:43 very satisfying to see the plasma bolts fire in currents like this. interesting also that they tend to zero in on the same target with some exceptions. good to see two of Doom's best projectile snipers battle
Luckily there are ways to tweak the Spiderdemon and make her an absolute menace. No need to add projectiles or flight or nothing, all you need is to decrease her reaction time from the insane half-second (15 tics!) that, I should add, repeats every single time she gets a pain state.
To other monsters at long range and in numbers sure, but vs. the player the mastermind is more of a threat, it's pretty easy to dodge an arachnotrons projectiles but impossible to dodge a wall of hitscan.
Unless you know this one, you can use decorative objects like Torches Lamps etc to hide behind and all projectile attacks will be blocked while Hitscan goes through them
@@normanred9212 Not in vanilla Doom, and not with the correct compatibility flags enabled. Decorations are only obstacles to actor movement, they do jack against projectiles.
Haha, I just found this channel yesterday evening and after watching some "battles" I thought cyberdemon vs arachnotrons would be cool, and here it is :D.
They are both resistant to explosive damage, pain chance is ok as is given how fast they can kill a player but a secondary attack wouldn't be too bad, maybe a chance for the cyberdemon to fire a homing rocket with weaker homing than the revenant, and the spider mastermind could get some telekinesis type thing wherein it periodically marks you like the arch vile and whilst marked its rounds are much much more accurate, and then give them both massive damage melee attacks, something like the bosses from Duke nukem so if a player gets too close they die
No, there's nothing wrong with the passive stats of either boss demon. The only thing the Spiderdemon needs is a shorter reaction time. Cybie is super well balanced in all areas already.
What I find really interesting is the way the Arachnotrons concentrate their fire upon a single target. You can see it even with the Ultra Violence stats. They seem to all choose the same target. Compared to the other monsters, they seem to show the most coordination.
Аж жалко в конце кибер демонов стало. Окружили со всех сторон. Отличный канал и битвы. Делай дальше - я посмотрел все видео. По думу вообще огонь. Можешь и другие части игр попробовать. Так же порекомендую канал и видео всем знакомым. И предложу попробовать организовать битвы трех групп.
I didn't expect the nightmare ai to work so strongly against the cyberdemon since he didn't move around at all and have the arachnotrons body block each other's shots.
Cyberdemon: Doonguy, may I barrow your plasma rifle?? I need 2 of that. Both CD and Arachnotrons had bigger size. In UV difficult, they'd like to move around, but may block their own teammates fire; in NM difficult, Arachnotrons didn't moved, most of them can firing freely.
Just the mob I was curious about which brings me to my question, nothing to do with the fight but how much damage does the Arachnotrons plasma it shoots do? Does it do more than the DOOM guys Plasma Rifle? Or equal? Or less? I always thought it might be more powerful than the DOOM guys Plasma Rifle
@@Sicklxy that’s cool now I don’t know about you but I thought that would be cool if we could use their Plasma and not just the DOOM guys, cause why not either use green or blue that’d be sick I know there’s a mod Brutal DOOM that let’s you rip the Revenants Rocket Launcher off and use it and the Mancubus Flame Cannon too and let’s say you get 50Plasma Energy to use, this doesn’t have to be like a helpful game changer or anything I thought it would just be cool though you would get more ammo from the Arachnotrons along with the Plasma Cells and boxes full of Plasma
The problem with these sustained attack enemies is they don't have the sense to move around and get a clear shot. Chaingunners are even worse, because they end up killing each other and thinning their own ranks.
UV, too frequent cases of Arachnotrons getting in the way of their own kind's fire that cost them the majority of their matches. Nightmare, more aggressive Arachnotron firing was too much for Cyberdemons to handle.
A big part of it is that the cybers, especially at distance, pump way more rockets at an arachno than is needed to kill it and only retarget once it’s actually dead. On nightmare because a lot of the cybers don’t get aggroed by different arachnos they keep iterating to the same next enemy. By the time they’re all targeting different ones and spreading out their fire they’re pretty much dead. Also because nobody’s really moving the cyber’s splash damage is basically useless. But even if that were addressed the arachnotron is just too damn powerful.
see, when they attack from range, they do much better. if they just charge at him he hits them with a full rocket salvo and they block eachother's shots!
a bit biased towards arachnatrons, this one. they're spread out, so they don't take any splash, and they're far away, so cyberdemons overkill a LOT, plus they all have a clear line of sight with their target. later on they even start with a surround from even further away. that's their ideal scenario
8:53 Arachnotron with PTSD after being the only survivor of its platoon.
When I played the Doom games as a kid I was obsessed with getting monsters to fight each other but it was often such a pain in the ass to setup the fights. I even tried to figure out how to make my own levels but wasn't able to figure it out.
Even today when playing Doom 64 I like to try and get monsters to infight just to observe. This channel is like a dream!
Have you tried binding keys? Try to put in the doom console
bind (any key) "summon (any monster)"
With that, you'll be able to summon monsters quickly and without opening the console constantly.
Have you always been one to give up easily?
Imagine if the Arachnotrons' plasma gun had the same rate of fire as that of Doomguy's...
I think that’s how it is with Doom 64 - they have double the firepower, and the plasma rifle that you use seems to have been slowed down considerably.
I tried it. Made most levels downright unplayable.
9:06 this is such an incredible visual spectacle
It is like one of those things that show random patterns to swinging objects. So crazy the amount of firepower the Arachnotrons can put downrange.
That concentrated plasma from the
Arachnids on nightmare is no joke
6:43 very satisfying to see the plasma bolts fire in currents like this. interesting also that they tend to zero in on the same target with some exceptions. good to see two of Doom's best projectile snipers battle
"Throw any bullet hell challenge my way and I can manage"
11:45
11:46 Arachnotron: team up the Cyberdemon #14 ?
The other 99 arachnotrons: *team up Cyberdemon #14*
It's sad how much more of a threat the arachnotrons are compared to the spider masterminds.
I like how these videos are progressing
They will always dominate in numbers
Luckily there are ways to tweak the Spiderdemon and make her an absolute menace. No need to add projectiles or flight or nothing, all you need is to decrease her reaction time from the insane half-second (15 tics!) that, I should add, repeats every single time she gets a pain state.
My exact though, Spiderdemon equipped with that clunky minigun, while these arachnotrons have a way effective weapons.
To other monsters at long range and in numbers sure, but vs. the player the mastermind is more of a threat, it's pretty easy to dodge an arachnotrons projectiles but impossible to dodge a wall of hitscan.
Problem for mastermind is how easy it is for an enemy to break its attack. It's got a huge, clunky hitbox
Nightmare is no joke. If the barrage comes in, it comes in. No questions asked. No answers given.
Unless you know this one, you can use decorative objects like Torches Lamps etc to hide behind and all projectile attacks will be blocked while Hitscan goes through them
@@normanred9212
Not in vanilla Doom, and not with the correct compatibility flags enabled. Decorations are only obstacles to actor movement, they do jack against projectiles.
0:03 Arachnotrons: "Okay, we got 'em now!.. er.. FRED! GET OUT OF THE WAY! YOU'RE BLOCKING OUR SHOTS!"
The Arachnotrons just melting Cyberdemons at Nightmare stats
Doom II: Bullet Hell on Earth
Haha, I just found this channel yesterday evening and after watching some "battles" I thought cyberdemon vs arachnotrons would be cool, and here it is :D.
This to me proves the Cyberdemon and Spider Mastermind both need energy resistance, lower pain chance, and secondary attacks
They are both resistant to explosive damage, pain chance is ok as is given how fast they can kill a player but a secondary attack wouldn't be too bad, maybe a chance for the cyberdemon to fire a homing rocket with weaker homing than the revenant, and the spider mastermind could get some telekinesis type thing wherein it periodically marks you like the arch vile and whilst marked its rounds are much much more accurate, and then give them both massive damage melee attacks, something like the bosses from Duke nukem so if a player gets too close they die
No, there's nothing wrong with the passive stats of either boss demon.
The only thing the Spiderdemon needs is a shorter reaction time. Cybie is super well balanced in all areas already.
What I find really interesting is the way the Arachnotrons concentrate their fire upon a single target. You can see it even with the Ultra Violence stats. They seem to all choose the same target. Compared to the other monsters, they seem to show the most coordination.
That's because of AI routines and the limited RNG.
The enemies are numbered internally so they just go up the list each time they kill something
There is a lot of friendly fire on the cyberdemon side. I guess because the arachnotrons have bigger brains. Love these vids!
That "BWAH BWAH BWAH BWAH" plasma sound of the Arachnotrons is permanently engrained in my nightmares.
Аж жалко в конце кибер демонов стало. Окружили со всех сторон. Отличный канал и битвы. Делай дальше - я посмотрел все видео. По думу вообще огонь. Можешь и другие части игр попробовать.
Так же порекомендую канал и видео всем знакомым. И предложу попробовать организовать битвы трех групп.
One day. One day we need a mega huge map, pick four monster categories, spam 100 of them each onto said map, and watch the chaos while sipping a beer.
Should do a health bar mod, so each enemy has a bar, and we can watch it deplete from fire/plasma onslaught.
This
Поддерживаю. Можно общее здоровье сделать у обеих групп вверху экрана. Так же бы предложил ввести и битвы трех групп разных.
No
@@anthonymentalewicz5143 why?
Don't know why but this is quite satisfying to see. 👍
Little critters did better than I thought. That mass-plasma death rain is quite the sight!
Arachnotrons are a huge threat to anything that can't proactively dodge plasma bolts.
Aaah those mechanical lil devils! On nightmare skill, the Demon didn't even manage to come closer!
Arachnotrons on Nightmare: You ever hear about this game called Touhou? Goes a little something like this.
What we can take away from this is that a fully upgraded unmaker harnesses the power of roughly 100 arachnotrons.
So a BFG is the power of 200 Arachnotrons?
The concentrated fire on nightmare is impressive!
I didn't expect the nightmare ai to work so strongly against the cyberdemon since he didn't move around at all and have the arachnotrons body block each other's shots.
crazy light show i liked it.
What a carnage!
That was fun.
Imagine the same battles with the DOOM 64 versions of these monsters. The Cybers AND your computer would be squashed.
Cyberdemon: Doonguy, may I barrow your plasma rifle?? I need 2 of that.
Both CD and Arachnotrons had bigger size.
In UV difficult, they'd like to move around, but may block their own teammates fire; in NM difficult, Arachnotrons didn't moved, most of them can firing freely.
Can different assets from different games be tested? Pej: Doom 2 vs Doom 64 Arachnotrons?
Just the mob I was curious about which brings me to my question, nothing to do with the fight but how much damage does the Arachnotrons plasma it shoots do? Does it do more than the DOOM guys Plasma Rifle? Or equal? Or less? I always thought it might be more powerful than the DOOM guys Plasma Rifle
they’re the same. 5-40 Damage.
Same damage, but Arachnotron's have slower rate of fire
@@Sicklxy that’s cool now I don’t know about you but I thought that would be cool if we could use their Plasma and not just the DOOM guys, cause why not either use green or blue that’d be sick I know there’s a mod Brutal DOOM that let’s you rip the Revenants Rocket Launcher off and use it and the Mancubus Flame Cannon too and let’s say you get 50Plasma Energy to use, this doesn’t have to be like a helpful game changer or anything I thought it would just be cool though you would get more ammo from the Arachnotrons along with the Plasma Cells and boxes full of Plasma
A guy to look up for some really cool DOOM info is Decino. He does all kinds of analysis videos on DOOM, from the original to DOOM64 and beyond.
@@darkpawdingo5331 I've watched a few of his videos and now I'm curious about how he would analyze these fights, especially the archvile fights.
Big Bois vs. Electronic Spiders
In the last fight they were able to kill like 4 cybers almost at the same time at the beginning
whats more scary is that NM arachnotrons DON'T waste time kill staggering one target unlike the UV stats where they just scatter targets
cyberdemon luckily just takes cover behind all the arahcnotrons
Arachnotrons in the middle and cyber demons around please.
So many deactivations😮
if it weren't for the burst 3 shot overshoots. he would be a bit more dangerous
Always hated to meet the spider-tron... here's why
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Great
Arachnotrons have such cute baby blue eyes! 🥰🥰🥰
The problem with these sustained attack enemies is they don't have the sense to move around and get a clear shot. Chaingunners are even worse, because they end up killing each other and thinning their own ranks.
Seeing the cyberdemon die makes me extremely sad
UV, too frequent cases of Arachnotrons getting in the way of their own kind's fire that cost them the majority of their matches. Nightmare, more aggressive Arachnotron firing was too much for Cyberdemons to handle.
Mother Demon vs Cyberdemon
Bit unfair to put the cybers in the center without also putting them on the outside for comparison. Whoever's in the center gets wrecked
A big part of it is that the cybers, especially at distance, pump way more rockets at an arachno than is needed to kill it and only retarget once it’s actually dead. On nightmare because a lot of the cybers don’t get aggroed by different arachnos they keep iterating to the same next enemy. By the time they’re all targeting different ones and spreading out their fire they’re pretty much dead. Also because nobody’s really moving the cyber’s splash damage is basically useless.
But even if that were addressed the arachnotron is just too damn powerful.
Minotaur vs Spiders
Placement could make a world of difference, I'm not complaining just saying
Don't move. Just spray.
Aracnatron the real threat
nightmare is where the amount matters
see, when they attack from range, they do much better. if they just charge at him he hits them with a full rocket salvo and they block eachother's shots!
plasma gun is busted af
a bit biased towards arachnatrons, this one. they're spread out, so they don't take any splash, and they're far away, so cyberdemons overkill a LOT, plus they all have a clear line of sight with their target. later on they even start with a surround from even further away. that's their ideal scenario
Esses combates são uma verdadeira covardia, uma merda. Colocam 500 arachnotrons bem posicionados contra 6 cyberdemos. Não gostei muito injusto.
max 360p quality lol
Try reloading the Max for me is 1440P
LEARN HOW TO STRAFE!!