NO BLACKS, NO DOGS, NO IRISH | Anti- Irish Discrimination in Troubles-Era England | Michael Flavin
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- In this PREVIEW CLIP, Dr Michael Flavin discusses the historical validity of the "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" sign, which had become a symbol of anti-Irish discrimination in post-war England.
He also talks about his experience of growing up Irish in Birmingham during the time of the IRA's pub b*mbs which took 21 innocent lives.
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Also my Ma came to England in 1949 .. couldn’t get a room so had to live in a convent .. but the nuns made her work for her keep, as well as train as a nurse ..
Yes defo the signs were there but by 1965 the Race Relations Act was introduced in the U.K. and it had started to diminish.
I suspect the Act was there more for those from the West Indies who started arriving in the mid fifties and were not popular.
The Irish were respected as good workers but treated with distain by most of the Brits. Most did not have a good education .The Irish man was almost always the butt of the joke however when the Troubles broke out the attitude hardened and the Irish were then viewed with suspicion as well. The pubs in Camden and Cricklewood would be full of Irish singing rebel songs. Being detained by British Police at airports and ferry ports under the Prevention of Terrorism Act was common.
The Irish worked hard and the Brits were luck to have us. They would much prefer ‘ Paddy’ to the migrants that are arriving today
I'm in London since September 1983.
Never got racism face to face in all my time here. Some Irish did not help themselves, drunk, fighting and not looking after rented property well. That did not justify racism but it shaped opinion re Irish people
true in est London my dad came home from the war he used a pub with this sign in the widow it did not ap+ly to himself but refused over irishman
I was born in LDN in 1971.....My parents and me spent a year in a Punjabi house renting a room due to prejudice....To be fair most English folks were okay, I had a few times where it was open that someone didn't like Irish and there were times when it was silent and could have been anti Irish sentiment......My parents told me the signs were common place......I have an Aussie friend who has lived in Japan about 20 years, he loves it there but described times when he went to go to check out a flat or room for rent and was told "Sorry, Japanese only"..........This was recent.............Bless............
Edit ~ I am an Irishman myself by the way !
Some of the Irish Construction Workers were Wild Men ~ ~ " Liked " a drink and sometimes a fight ~ I know because I worked with them when I was Younger ~ The Irish workmen were on good money back in those days and some of them lived a " Wild Life " and maybe Not have been the most reliable payers of, rent / other, due to the Wild Lifestyle ! ! !
So ~ It's not as simple as some People paint in nowadays !
Re; Pubs ~ ~ A lot of the Irish Pubs served rubbish drink because their Irish Customers seemed slow to go some-where else especially in the places that the Irish socialised in big numbers !
Spent a bit of time in Birmingham late 70,s never had a problem being Irish , big Irish community In Birmingham back then , don’t know what it’s like now ? I’m living in the States now , found the local Birmingham people sound enough .
Interesting trajectory you took getting to the United States. Better weather over there than Birmingham or Ireland I suppose.
@@davidpryle3935 yes better weather that’s for sure , having said that had a great time In Birmingham never got any anti Irish vibe off the local people , stayed in Aston and Erdington lot of Irish there . Great days !
There is a intervew with Richard Harris .. when he came to England looking for digs & work .. he found a add in a news paper for rooms, where one said
No blacks
No dogs
No Irish
He cut that add out & kept it with him in his wallet…
I never had any agro in England and I’m going there since the 70s . England has been good for the Irish
Said noone ever
My dad was a sailor in the sixtys he was a protestant and he said he saw them ...
My auld fella never saw the sign but as soon as he opened his mouth he knew he wasn't getting the room in Aston Birmingham,
Ok . I want to come from this at a different angle with a bit of reverse prejudice.
It was very common to hear from Irish lads that they would prefer
to work for an Englishman than their own. Treated better and
they would more than likely get paid properly. The Irish didn’t even
trust their own employers who treated them badly and with contempt.
A lot of these Irish boys were wild and tough and dangerous. Drink untill they dropped
and still be at work the next day to be taken advantage of by their own.
They socialised with their own country men and in areas of high Irish populations
socialised with those of their own county.
They were also not known for being womanisers . Unusual with the fact that
they were so macho. The drink took many of them unfortunately.
I heard of an Irish landlady who had a sign similar to that-she said it was because of the drunken fights that would break out between the Irish and English motorway workers on the weekend.
It's overlooked how many Irish publicans, with predominantly Irish customers, made life uncomfortable for Englsh people popping in for a pint.
My Ma & Grandparents came over to London in 1950. I know they had trouble finding somewhere to live but eventually settled in Kings X. The only time they had to take care was during/after the Birmingham & Guildford pub bombings. My Grandad was chased & threatened by the nf
i was born in Birmingham in t 70s my dad told me it's true no Black's no dogs and no Irish
Was in london 1970 had to see G.p. there to do with getting a job
The hatred in that g.p..s eyes frightened me I was a 17 year old girl and had never came across this before he treated my friend and I like dirt I couldnt speak with shock that a grown man who did not know us at all treated us like this also he was g.p. so just got up and walked out.needless to say we diidnt get the job as we didnt get medical it was probably all connected.All because I was Irish I sometimes think back to that man and the hatred in his eyes and wonder what the hell happened to him?
yes, the sign was in the front window of a house in Liverpool. never in any other house in the whole of England. I remember that sign in the early 1970s. the reason it was their was the lads would drink themselves to not knowing their own name, fight with anything that moved. they would neat all bouncers to unconsciousness, bouncers were afraid of the building site paddy, he was a tough farm worker, bot like men in the last 40 years, some of these men were unbeatable in a fight. Drink beat them all, poteen. land lady's and land lords hated when damage was done to their property. even us Irish at the time agreed with the sign, No Irish, no blacks, no dogs. the English kept great boarding houses until paddy came back from the pub covered in dirt and blood. . sometimes they would wake up in the wardrobe.
different men different times. most of them could neither read or write, hard working.
Of course it existed.
No records of it at all, just this mocked up sign made in the 1980s, purporting to be from the 1950s.
@davidpryle3935 If it's not on Google, it never happened , (British History Curriculum. )
The 1845-1852 Great Famine wasn't Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide.
There was no Irish Slavery.
Two-thirds of the Province of Ulster in Ireland, is a Country , (if you wish it to be)
The List goes on...
Unfortunately, History is controlled by the Victor, but the Irish around the World know better.
@@Judgementday-qp1ol That’s it, muddy the waters. Talk about a load of stuff that nobody mentioned.
@davidpryle3935 The Sign wasn't very important to the Irish People, these were only individual's putting them up, People can be unkind.
However, the rest of the List, were carried out by successive English Government's, and over Centuries.
Ireland as an Island Unfree shall never be at Peace,
solely because division keeps dragging up the past
@@Judgementday-qp1ol I’m well aware of the various atrocities and injustices carried out by the English/British administration over the long centuries against the Irish people. That is not what concerns us here.
What we are discussing here is the existence of this mythological sign “No blacks no dogs no Irish”, for which there is no evidence at all, accept for one dubious photo of a mocked up sign for an event at an Irish festival in 1980s London. It is very important that history is real and not made up.
There is no doubt that there were discriminatory signs on premises, particularly directed against people from the Caribbean and the Subcontinent, before the race discrimination laws of the 1960s were introduced.
“No Coloureds” signs were common place, they are fully documented and recorded. There was also bound to have been the odd crank who posted “No Irish” signs, but the “no blacks no dogs no Irish” trope only appeared in the 1980s. It was conjured up by Irish activists in 1980s London to link the Irish to the undoubted discrimination suffered by people from the Caribbean and the Subcontinent. They certainly succeeded in this linking, as loads of people now wrongly believe that this particular sign was all over the place.
My Irish cousins live in Quinton . The Mooney's
It was no blacks no dogs no Irish no Travellers
What about no brits, no snouts 👃🏻, no touts 🥴.
Only goes one way with this channel mate.
@@KH-wy7le 💯 mate 👍🏻🇮🇪
What about, what about , what about, do your own podcast, if it bothers you so much.
@dowdallerno1 sounds like someone has a stutter. No brits, no brit lovers and no touts. Up yer 🎈🪢.
Richard Harris limerick actor London 1950 shop in London job no irish apply Harris broke the glass ripped the note from the shop window and the rest is history 😢
100% i saw that as a kid, i was born in belfast but i grew up in London and i saw it in the 70s it went
No blacks
No dogs and no irish. 100% true
I seen the sign, it was mostly for accommodation purposes .
I remember Irish People being refused accommodation in London back in the Eighties, with the excuse of No Builders or Tradesmen which led to the same thing really.
(Muddy Clothes, Boots)
Some English Pub's used the same Line.
You certainly didn’t see this sign in the 1980s. Any premises displaying such a sign in the 1980s would have been heavily fined and possibly closed down, under the race discrimination laws of the 1960s.
@davidpryle3935 No I seen the sign in storage.
In the early fifties in London it wasn't uncommon to see this sign in the front windows of some houses. No "wogs, dogs or Irish" wouldn't turn a hair in those days, the terminology was not considered offensive nor even the sentiment behind it.
Yes I grew up in south east London in the 80s seen it in a few pubs windows
The fuck you have! The old bill would have closed the pubs down.
Bermondsey by the way.
Your letting your imagination run away with you😂
Any pub displaying a sign like that in England in the 1980s would have been heavily fined and possibly closed down under the race discrimination laws of the 1960s.
I doubt it, brits were very tolerant, I done 10 years in Catford, 1987_ 1997, carefree
Should read Irish travellers
They were in Liverpool
Ah! The old famous mocked up sign from the 1980s makes another appearance.
No they existed...........
@@f.dmcintyre4666There’s no doubt there were discriminatory signs, particularly against people from the Caribbean and the sub-continent, before the race discrimination laws were passed in the 1960s. But this particular sign “no blacks no dogs no Irish” was almost certainly mocked up by Irish activists in the 1980s.
They weren't mocked up in the 60s and 70s
@@Jesuswept70 There were no signs in the 70s, as they would have been illegal under the 1960s race discrimination laws. Any premises displaying a sign like that would have been heavily fined and possibly closed down.
@@f.dmcintyre4666 they did but that one is not 100% fake
It was exceptable probably why yous didn't notice
It was real that guy is a clown 🤡
Never happened. Apocryphal story originally from New York.
What never happened?
The Phil Lynott t-shirt is a fake. Its a look alike.
It's the first time I've ever heard of it, and I've been a Thin Lizzy fan most of my life