I had a 1969 Chevy C10 pickup in high school. My best friend had a 1970 Ford F100. I gotta admit the Ford rode a lot better than my Chevy. It felt more solid. Mine was better looking though lol.
My best friend in high school had a 68 chevy topside. Man that thing rose like a potato cart. My oldest truck was a 78 f150 ranger xlt 4x4 and I know it's not a fair comparison, but it was lightyears ahead of his chevy.
Maybe it's a retoric question and a sarcaatic statement, but I will explain anyways because Im doing nothing. All the suspension components absorbs the irregularities of the road and do not transfer it to the cabin. So the cab rides steady while the axles jump up and down. Thats why the upper stick does not dangle around igniting the explosive and the bottom one goes crazy up and down.
I worked for Ford 37+ years and not once did I ever have to repair a front end because a wheel/tire steering knuckle failed. Happens to GM trucks quite often, even today.
@@babayaga9102 -It was a Chevy commercial from a few years ago.They were trying to discredit the F-150's aluminum body.It's been shown since then they cheated.The toolbox used was empty when dropped into a Chevy bed,but full for the Ford.
Ford always had the super Jelly suspension.Ride was great on a straight road,leans like a boat in the turns with loose steering that had a half turn of lost motion.A lot of it had to do with all the rough roads back in the day.
I put a front sway bar on my '67, what a helluva difference and NOS steering linkage and refurbished the steering gear. It steers real nice with things set up right but still have to anticipate the turn and start cranking the wheel.
Consumer Strike! And lack of good maintenance. If king pins and tie rods don't ever get grease they will eventually wear out making steering straight harder. I worked on my 69 steering knuckle by welding the gaps closer and it steers straight as the crow flies. No problems , it steers like a dream. But l never drive over 75 mph, 65 is my liking.
Wrong. I owned many Ford trucks, and they ALWAYS were ready to work Four Ford F350's and one GMC 3500. All plowed snow. When you raised a 8 foot Western plow on a Ford that plow just raised front never drooped. The GMC was like a submarine. Raise the plow and the front dropped more than the plow raised. Could haul two skids of rock salt in the Fords but only one in that GMC. if you want a work truck you buy a Ford. Why do you suppose most construction sites and utility companies buy Fords. And they certainly are not the cheapest priced truck out there.
I clicked on this because I had a 1970 F100. I bought it in 1978 and unfortunately sold it in 1993. I loved this truck with all its short comings. They have a show in Pigeon Forge TN and it makes me regret not hanging on to mine.
I'm not normally one to say "they did it better in the old days", because that's usually a load of boomer BS, but in this case, it's true. This commercial actually gives you information about the vehicle and demonstrates its advantage in a clear way. None of the idiotic "real people, not actors" drivel that Chevy likes to do now.
The first boomer was born in 1946 , 9 months after WWII ended. The very first Boomer would have turned 24 in 1970 and would have only graduated college 2 years before this 1970 commercial aired. Newbies that young didn’t contribute to these designs. A 1970 ford was not a product of boomers in any way.
The twin I beam suspension ate front tires galore.With the ball joints,could not keep these in them even greased up after Ford stopped using the king pins.
Walter Frederick maybe so but if you do normal driving and not off-road I noticed that it’s not that bad on my 66. I’d take this over a straight axle lol like riding on a wagon.
Walter Frederic l've owned a 69 f-100 swb for over 40 years, what you stated is not true. I've never had problems with tires wearing out too quick. You probably don't don't even own a Ford truck. My truck has king pins not ball joints.
That commercial demonstrated the hudge camber change of wheels with that old suspension system which cause roll steering. Finally all pick ups are made as the chevy from 50 years ago.
Ford still uses the twin I beams in the 2wd super duties I believe, although I think it is just the 250s. Those I beams do have camber change, although it is not called roll steer, it is bump steer, and is not cause by camber change, but the tie rods and I beams having different arcs of travel. All IFS cars/trucks have some sort of camber change built in, it helps with handling around corners as the tire will try to roll to the side and it helps compensate for that. Part of the reason they handle better than solid axles. Although that camber change ate tires pretty quick once the springs wear out and sag a bit. My '91 needs tires rotated pretty often. Thing about the modern IFS suspension is that it does have superior handling and ride compared to pretty much any suspension, but wears out pretty quick and is much more difficult to maintain. My experience being with 2000's chevies, they wear out tie rods and ball joints fairly quickly if you use them like trucks. The I beams in my F250 are still on the original bushings/joints after over 300k and it handles just fine.
In 1970, "safety first" wasn't in anyone's vocabulary yet. I sure miss the days that I could freely go about my business without the safety nazis telling me the "proper" way to do it.
funny you say that. Tanks used to be near the passenger compartment. Then then moved them away, usually to the rear or side of a vehicle, where they ruptured more often in collisions. Now they put them closer to the passengers again, lol. Now they tend to pack them inside the frame rails under and/or slightly behind the passengers in trucks/SUV's.
Had a bunch of half ton pick-up. Used to buy cars & truck's in the seventies for a hundred bucks. Like new , run like new. 71' Ford with a 351 cu in. run forever.
I actually like Twin I Beam. My truck is RWD.. everyone frowns and says this and that and they prefer IFS but IFS costs more and is fixed more often. I remember the old Twin I Beam with king pins and I'd say I wasn't fond of that but the later models I think are darn near perfection. Each to their own.
talina yo yeah probably. if you dig around with youtubes suggested videos. you'll get onto weird places where you'll actually see likes annd dislikes make sense, and the comment sections will actually be filled with intelligent, mature people. thats because no kids have been there... yet
I would like to see what would have happened to this truck if they had changed the distance between the ties or the speed. My guess is that the driver would be bouncing off the ceiling. I'm sure they carefully figured out what frequency the suspension was best at absorbing.
Absolutely astute and correct. Plus there are 21 cuts in the film once the truck starts out. So, even evenly spaced, I'm sure they needed a lot of creative editing.
Twin I Beam gave Ford an advertising advantage to those people who wanted to see lots of iron underneath a truck. It didn't give Ford trucks a functional advantage. Ford got another advertising advantage when Chevy went to coils in the rear while it's brother GMC implied coils weren't for "real" trucks by sticking with leaf springs.
if ford would sell brand new 1970 f100's in 2023.they couldnt build them fast enough. the dealers would be overwelmed with customers. same deal with chevy. they'd sell millions of them.even after price adjustments for inflation.
If they were to reproduce an old design it would have to be the 96, 97, 98, Chevy 4x4, now known to be the best vehicle ever produced in automotive history, it is becoming common now, to see these trucks with over a million miles on em, my 96 being one of them.
a base truck in 1970 would be about 3 grand which today is only worth 23K inflation adjusted. A 2023 Ram single cab with 8 foot bed starts at 31K. Seems like a big increase in prices for something so basic, that doesn't even include 4x4
My Father in law had a 73 f100 with the same problem no one ever did figure it out it had allot of work always being done to that troublesome front end meanwhile my 74 Dodge never had any front suspension issues!
@@toddsteiner7640 Yeah, a huge problem with that design, even when new they had that problem, like that other guy said not enough moving parts, the wheels just go up and down in an ark camber and castor moving all time, toe swinging back and forth, Chevy engineered a far better design, best cure, buy a Chevy, the 70 Chevy was a near perfect truck.
After the commercial all the twin I-beam suspension bushings and ball joints have to be replaced or that truck will wander like a herd of cats whenever it goes over 40 miles/hour
The worst suspension design in automotive history, (American), the 4x4 was even worse, in a quick maneuver they would tuck and roll, very easy to lose control, just eat tires up, very poor handling, so you don't have to wonder why it didn't last long, GM has always been far advanced in suspension and chassis design, Toyota trucks pretty much carry the torch for the worst suspensions in the industry today, very poor.
Ummm no they don't. They use double or single wishbone suspension. Twin I beams are horrible with alignment, their setups take a lot more room than wishbone or torsion style systems. They ride like shit. Sway bars are also not as effective on them due to them not being on the same exit axis.
the twin i beam is a good suspenssion. for the alignment problem you need a full-custom steering setup (sometimes known as a Crossover or Swingset style linkage), which generally provides the utmost level of control with its long tierods that closely match the full length of the axle beam, and no more steering bump.
I'm not sure I understand all you just said, but any positive comments I read on the Twin I beam is well received. I traded my 4x4 in for a RWD simply to eliminate the maintenence needs of 4x4. So far I've noticed a better ride overall. But I would really hate to find out that I'm in for more maintenance costs because if it.
Love the sound of the engine as it took off at the end.
Its ether a 360 or a 390 under the hood
Now that's a truck commercial!
I had a 1969 Chevy C10 pickup in high school. My best friend had a 1970 Ford F100. I gotta admit the Ford rode a lot better than my Chevy. It felt more solid. Mine was better looking though lol.
SteelCity1981 and Ford from 1980-1997
My best friend in high school had a 68 chevy topside. Man that thing rose like a potato cart. My oldest truck was a 78 f150 ranger xlt 4x4 and I know it's not a fair comparison, but it was lightyears ahead of his chevy.
I don't know what they made this ad to prove but it's better than those newer ads
Maybe it's a retoric question and a sarcaatic statement, but I will explain anyways because Im doing nothing. All the suspension components absorbs the irregularities of the road and do not transfer it to the cabin. So the cab rides steady while the axles jump up and down. Thats why the upper stick does not dangle around igniting the explosive and the bottom one goes crazy up and down.
That’s a badass commercial
I worked for Ford 37+ years and not once did I ever have to repair a front end because a wheel/tire steering knuckle failed. Happens to GM trucks quite often, even today.
Tengo una f100 mod 73. Original, que máquina .... Hace 46 años q la tengo.
So much better than dropping a toolbox into the bed
they tried dropping the toolbox in the '70 model but the toolbox broke into pieces
which commercial?
@@babayaga9102 i was kidding, i assume that's what happened lol
@@babayaga9102 -It was a Chevy commercial from a few years ago.They were trying to discredit the F-150's aluminum body.It's been shown since then they cheated.The toolbox used was empty when dropped into a Chevy bed,but full for the Ford.
Their all terds anymore. That 1970 was made to take a beating. Now they are made to save fuel and crumble up like paper
Driver shook for the rest of his life
I put 175K plus on my '94. Front end was as solid when I sold it as when I got it, used. Loved that design. Rode like a truck.
Rode*
@@jaredlecuyer8764 hah thx brother.
Damn you, autocorrect!
Ford always had the super Jelly suspension.Ride was great on a straight road,leans like a boat in the turns with loose steering that had a half turn of lost motion.A lot of it had to do with all the rough roads back in the day.
I put a front sway bar on my '67, what a helluva difference and NOS steering linkage and refurbished the steering gear. It steers real nice with things set up right but still have to anticipate the turn and start cranking the wheel.
If the radius arm and axle bushings aren't torn, they aren't too loose imho.
But God, with old bushings it feels negligent to go 70mph 😅
Consumer Strike! And lack of good maintenance. If king pins and tie rods don't ever get grease they will eventually wear out making steering straight harder. I worked on my 69 steering knuckle by welding the gaps closer and it steers straight as the crow flies. No problems , it steers like a dream. But l never drive over 75 mph, 65 is my liking.
Wrong. I owned many Ford trucks, and they ALWAYS were ready to work Four Ford F350's and one GMC 3500. All plowed snow. When you raised a 8 foot Western plow on a Ford that plow just raised front never drooped. The GMC was like a submarine. Raise the plow and the front dropped more than the plow raised. Could haul two skids of rock salt in the Fords but only one in that GMC. if you want a work truck you buy a Ford. Why do you suppose most construction sites and utility companies buy Fords. And they certainly are not the cheapest priced truck out there.
I clicked on this because I had a 1970 F100. I bought it in 1978 and unfortunately sold it in 1993. I loved this truck with all its short comings. They have a show in Pigeon Forge TN and it makes me regret not hanging on to mine.
I'm not normally one to say "they did it better in the old days", because that's usually a load of boomer BS, but in this case, it's true. This commercial actually gives you information about the vehicle and demonstrates its advantage in a clear way. None of the idiotic "real people, not actors" drivel that Chevy likes to do now.
The first boomer was born in 1946 , 9 months after WWII ended. The very first Boomer would have turned 24 in 1970 and would have only graduated college 2 years before this 1970 commercial aired. Newbies that young didn’t contribute to these designs. A 1970 ford was not a product of boomers in any way.
Just ask Neil Howe.
#TheFourthTurning
The ad may have you fooled but that truck was a very problematic piece of crap, and the suspension was the worst.
Wow! How could a guy NOT want a F150 after seeing this?
ORflycaster that is a F100 F150 Didn’t come out until y’all come 1975
Thanks for reminding me. I got all caught up in the excitement of that ad and forgot my Ford facts.
Drive one a few miles, that would cure ya.
The twin I beam suspension ate front tires galore.With the ball joints,could not keep these in them even greased up after Ford stopped using the king pins.
Walter Frederick maybe so but if you do normal driving and not off-road I noticed that it’s not that bad on my 66. I’d take this over a straight axle lol like riding on a wagon.
Oh bullshit, a good heavy duty shock, and they did fine, I've owned many without a problem
Bullshit
Truth,have replaced a ton of ball joints in the Ford twin I beam suspensions including tires being eaten up
Walter Frederic l've owned a 69 f-100 swb for over 40 years, what you stated is not true. I've never had problems with tires wearing out too quick. You probably don't don't even own a Ford truck. My truck has king pins not ball joints.
That commercial demonstrated the hudge camber change of wheels with that old suspension system which cause roll steering.
Finally all pick ups are made as the chevy from 50 years ago.
Ford still uses the twin I beams in the 2wd super duties I believe, although I think it is just the 250s.
Those I beams do have camber change, although it is not called roll steer, it is bump steer, and is not cause by camber change, but the tie rods and I beams having different arcs of travel. All IFS cars/trucks have some sort of camber change built in, it helps with handling around corners as the tire will try to roll to the side and it helps compensate for that. Part of the reason they handle better than solid axles.
Although that camber change ate tires pretty quick once the springs wear out and sag a bit. My '91 needs tires rotated pretty often.
Thing about the modern IFS suspension is that it does have superior handling and ride compared to pretty much any suspension, but wears out pretty quick and is much more difficult to maintain. My experience being with 2000's chevies, they wear out tie rods and ball joints fairly quickly if you use them like trucks. The I beams in my F250 are still on the original bushings/joints after over 300k and it handles just fine.
Glad those sparks didn't set off a fire in the fuel tank located behind the driver's seat. Safety first!
In 1970, "safety first" wasn't in anyone's vocabulary yet. I sure miss the days that I could freely go about my business without the safety nazis telling me the "proper" way to do it.
The same fear & hysteria that created the Nazi party, created Safety Nazis and their fascist rules.
+Ladrew0 According to the propaganda you believe.
funny you say that. Tanks used to be near the passenger compartment.
Then then moved them away, usually to the rear or side of a vehicle, where they ruptured more often in collisions.
Now they put them closer to the passengers again, lol.
Now they tend to pack them inside the frame rails under and/or slightly behind the passengers in trucks/SUV's.
@@l337pwnage
Which do you believe?
Had a 92 and 93. It was fine truck. Went thru starters though
My 92 Tempo went through water pumps, and two mufflers.
I want to go out Saturday morning and test drive a new 1970 F100 👍
Had a bunch of half ton pick-up. Used to buy cars & truck's in the seventies for a hundred bucks. Like new , run like new. 71' Ford with a 351 cu in. run forever.
Love these old commercials.
Commercials today are just so damn annoying, and flat out stupid
I rember this ad like it was yesterday.
Me too, i was seven 😂😂
Negative Camber was a common problem with this design. Plus the gas tank was behind the seat so it this truck was a death trap by default.
Fuel tank was behind the seat on my '69 Chevy PU too, par for the course back then
@@jimmybryan6760also behind the seat on dodge's back then.
The twin I-beam was used for a long time. It was that good.
...directed by Michael Bay
Now use this test on the Pinto!
Ahh, the Pinto. Supposed to be the Mustang’s successor.
**blows up after a love tap on the bumper**
Filmed in Argentina.
Argentina has the best Ford truck commercials.
I liked it better when they used rows of light bulbs.
I actually like Twin I Beam. My truck is RWD.. everyone frowns and says this and that and they prefer IFS but IFS costs more and is fixed more often. I remember the old Twin I Beam with king pins and I'd say I wasn't fond of that but the later models I think are darn near perfection. Each to their own.
Wasn't there one of these where they had a seat attached to the front suspension with a dummy strapped to it?
is it the only video on the planet without no dislikes
talina yo yeah probably.
if you dig around with youtubes suggested videos.
you'll get onto weird places where you'll actually see likes annd dislikes make sense, and the comment sections will actually be filled with intelligent, mature people.
thats because no kids have been there... yet
talina yo i have one 1977 Ford f 100 300 inline 6 4 speed manual
i disliked c:
talina yo has one now
Without any dislikes
Excellent
that’s actually pretty impressive haha
Once the driver set the first tires on that epic flare strip, “Fortunate Son” should’ve popped on!
Fantastic
Great print
I have a 71 F250 2wd and I want to know if I can put bigger shocks on the front and if I can how big should I go?
Yup
King pins are the best.
Yeah, they lasted about a year, how much do, you see it today.
I would like to see what would have happened to this truck if they had changed the distance between the ties or the speed. My guess is that the driver would be bouncing off the ceiling. I'm sure they carefully figured out what frequency the suspension was best at absorbing.
Absolutely astute and correct. Plus there are 21 cuts in the film once the truck starts out. So, even evenly spaced, I'm sure they needed a lot of creative editing.
It's hard to believe no one else picked up on that.
Doesn't matter. It was a cool commercial. I doubt anyone took it seriously.
Twin I Beam gave Ford an advertising advantage to those people who wanted to see lots of iron underneath a truck. It didn't give Ford trucks a functional advantage.
Ford got another advertising advantage when Chevy went to coils in the rear while it's brother GMC implied coils weren't for "real" trucks by sticking with leaf springs.
67-72 Chevy trucks were modern AND tough but Ford stuck with the hay wagon set up until 1996...
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DEATH WOBBLE.
Uh oh, somebody link this to DentsideDepot 😂😂
if ford would sell brand new 1970
f100's in 2023.they couldnt build them fast enough. the dealers would be overwelmed with customers. same deal with chevy. they'd sell millions of them.even after price adjustments for inflation.
If they were to reproduce an old design it would have to be the 96, 97, 98, Chevy 4x4, now known to be the best vehicle ever produced in automotive history, it is becoming common now, to see these trucks with over a million miles on em, my 96 being one of them.
Think of all the vietnam soldiers this traumatized hahaha
From a $3000 '70 pickup to $65,000 plus today.
a base truck in 1970 would be about 3 grand which today is only worth 23K inflation adjusted. A 2023 Ram single cab with 8 foot bed starts at 31K. Seems like a big increase in prices for something so basic, that doesn't even include 4x4
Ha ha funny I have a 69 f 250 what about the Dana 60 that's going to be flying up in the air over those rail road ties
I want 1
Well I have that truck in a f350 and I have a crazy death wobble, a lot if working parts with that dual I-beam, but i’ll figure it out.
Less moving parts in this front end than in a Chevy of similar age.
My Father in law had a 73 f100 with the same problem no one ever did figure it out it had allot of work always being done to that troublesome front end meanwhile my 74 Dodge never had any front suspension issues!
@@toddsteiner7640 Yeah, a huge problem with that design, even when new they had that problem, like that other guy said not enough moving parts, the wheels just go up and down in an ark camber and castor moving all time, toe swinging back and forth, Chevy engineered a far better design, best cure, buy a Chevy, the 70 Chevy was a near perfect truck.
Epic !
they forgot to say it gets 23 city/ 28 hwy mpg
That's because it got more like 13 city/ 16 hwy.
@@chrisrogers1833 yea with a FE engine. 6ci will get better
Sweet!
INDEPENDENT FRONT SUSPENSION TO STEP OVER BUMPS INDEPENDENTLY
After the commercial all the twin I-beam suspension bushings and ball joints have to be replaced or that truck will wander like a herd of cats whenever it goes over 40 miles/hour
Very true, it was a very poor design.
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Driver's now deaf
nada de rotulas que. se friegan como las de la chevy
The worst suspension design in automotive history, (American), the 4x4 was even worse, in a quick maneuver they would tuck and roll, very easy to lose control, just eat tires up, very poor handling, so you don't have to wonder why it didn't last long, GM has always been far advanced in suspension and chassis design, Toyota trucks pretty much carry the torch for the worst suspensions in the industry today, very poor.
God, the twin I beam was horrible! Even worse when they put it on their smaller trucks like the ranger and Explorers
What do you mean the twin I beam "was" terrible? Ford still builds their 2wd trucks with the same twin I beam.
So funny when people talk shit about twin I beam and they have zero idea what they are talking about.
Ummm no they don't. They use double or single wishbone suspension. Twin I beams are horrible with alignment, their setups take a lot more room than wishbone or torsion style systems. They ride like shit. Sway bars are also not as effective on them due to them not being on the same exit axis.
the twin i beam is a good suspenssion. for the alignment problem you need a full-custom steering setup (sometimes known as a Crossover or Swingset style linkage), which generally provides the utmost level of control with its long tierods that closely match the full length of the axle beam, and no more steering bump.
I'm not sure I understand all you just said, but any positive comments I read on the Twin I beam is well received. I traded my 4x4 in for a RWD simply to eliminate the maintenence needs of 4x4. So far I've noticed a better ride overall. But I would really hate to find out that I'm in for more maintenance costs because if it.
Ford don’t need join ball Hasta la vista Chevy lol 👋🏻