How Trees Control the Weather
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at 1:34 trees do not emit carbon.
i like trees with terpenes for sure.
Dawid approves 😎
If you are ever lost on a raft in the Caribbean, all you need to do is look for clouds because the islands always have clouds above them because of the plants and trees. I saw it first-hand when I was in the Navy.
I understand that Polynesian navigators on the Pacific Ocean were also aware of this, and it helped guide them to islands not directly visible (among many other techniques).
New Zealand, where I live, is also referred to as Aotearoa. It is a Maori description, often translated as "Land of the Long White Cloud".
I thought it was because the land causes the very moist sea air to be pushed to a higher altitude, so the air gets colder, and can held on to less moisture, forming clouds
@@corivian Agreed, I was getting carried away with the "Aotearoa" bit. It's annoying, because I have long known of e.g. the rainy West coast and rain-shadowed Eastern slopes of the Southern Alps caused as you describe. But I do still think there is the vegetation effect, as many Pacific islands are so low they are affected by sea level rise.
I feel like here in Michigan that the lake effect snow is enhanced around the wooded areas. Basically anything north of Grand Rapids.
Not true but alr
There’s a Hawaiian proverb that fits well with this video, “hahai nō ka ua I ka ululā’au” - “The rain follows the forest.” The Hawaiians were keen environmental observers and recognized that connection between cloud formation, rainfall patterns, and forests. It’s cool to see that people are starting to figure out the mechanisms behind that.
Only after 30+% of all forests have been destroyed
And Hawaii's cloud forests have been decimated. Although I pray the Auwahi restoration project has some success.
@@philipm3173 I hope so too. The organizations doing reforestation here in Hawaii have so many major challenges, but the ecosystems that they protect are some of the most unique in the world. I'm always happy to do anything I can to be part of saving Hawaiian forest land.
@@sirensynapse5603 how so?
@@Nerdventurer1 I think Siren was thinking that since forests only grow with water then the Hawaiian proverb is wrong, water brings forests and forests "don't" bring water. However, the video shows that once a forest is established it will try to force the environment/atmosphere to produce rain for it. Makes sense, evolutionarily speaking, since releasing compounds/monoterpenes is not that hard to evolve into. In Hawaii, it would also be easily to notice that some islands have forests and some don't, and which "attract"/cause more rain to fall on them.
This reminds me of that thing where we found out why it rains so often specifically in big, hot parking lots because of how it screws with atmospheric conditions directly above it.
Heated air over the parking lots rises and takes humid air to cooler, low-pressure regions where clouds & rain can form. Just like humid air hitting a mountain range. But when talking 'weather' nothing is simple.
In Australia it's a little different. In the summer the Eucalypts release oils into the atmosphere, that's why they're called the Blue Mountains because the air is so laden with oils that the air has a blue fog. They are trying to cause a flashover from a lightning strike.
That's right, the trees are trying to start bushfires.
The benefits of small, frequent fires are 1) they clear dead undergrowth and prevent fuel buildup, 2) it burns off the bugs as well as the leaves but the leaves come back almost immediately from shoots under the bark and 3) smoke and updraughts from the fire seed clouds and push them into higher and colder air, promoting rain.
Many Australian plants won't germinate or germinate poorly unless the seeds are exposed to smoke or smoke infused water.
It's kind of like the Fynbos here in South Africa. Though, I don't know much about the science.
Interesting.
That's metal.
Eucalyptus: Hmm, I wonder what I should do to reproduce. Oh right, arson!
Oh, no climate changes required then ..🌲🌳🌴🍁🎋
Bro. Trees making clouds appear is one of the most badass evolutionary traits I've ever heard of.
Interesting that the idea of mass cutting trees can change the climate is also somewhat a direct consequence as well as a long term one.
word on the street is mass burning can as well. lol
Alexander von Humboldt (a rather famous German scientist) wrote in 1843 that “Man changes the climate by felling trees, divert rivers and lakes and emitting large amounts of vapor and gas from industrial centers.” He mostly meant local climate, but even then he noticed the huge effects human changes to nature had on the local environment in south america when the european colonists started to change the landscapes.
It's not an "idea", it's a fact. You can bet wherever humans make changes to our environment, were screwing up something, in its natural state, was perfect.
Just learning about all the harm conservation has done to Salmon, first by over fishing and polluting their environment, then by try to fix it by breeding and restocking programs makes me cringe.
@@noergelstein not to mention the harm we do to ourselves and future generations. You make a good point.
If you live in the redwoods of Northern Cal, you know the trees cause mists and even rain on objects beneath them. Also, many people are allergic to redwood chemicals released into the air. When I lived right under the redwoods, I was sleepy all the time.
Thats so interesting! I was honestly considering moving to the area, Is that not a good idea?
@@niccilefevre Lotta pros and cons. there isn't a ton of work up in nor cal and the economic growth is sort of absent - it was all built on logging industry in the 50s-60s. There is very little logging anymore in that area so the local economies are all ghost towns. Redwood vibe and energy is so good. I came from the flat midwest USA and I lived in Mendocino for several years because I was immediately arrested by the vibe under the trees. Since, I've learned many places exist like it in the world. But the USA is certainly blessed to have it's redwood forests. The communities themselves in NorCal can be very hit or miss and I'll leave it at that. I will say that CHP is my favorite law enforcement agency in the country and other than the local sheriffs and cal fire and dnr/etc they are who you've got to deal with as far as LEO and safety.
Interesting, they trees even fight against us. I'm not surprised.
Second talllest trees
@@niccilefevre Famously, the Native Americans supposedly would visit the redwood forest but did not permanently live there. But there would have been more food out in the open sunny spaces than under the redwoods. They are beautiful, though.
Super interesting to see the topic in detail. It's like wildfires. Our crew registered how small wildfires are a part of a natural cycle that helps the environment regenerate itself. It's a natural disaster that used to happen but is now getting out of proportion thanks to humans. This happens because we kept on suppressing these natural wildfires. Now, the fires happen so intensively that it is not beneficial for us or other species. As you said, the trees are definitely into something. We're curious to know what it is.
According to the data this is actually wrong. Historically the fires were much larger than they are today. The wild fires we have today are actually nearly record breakingly low. It is only the reporting and hyping of them that is record breakingly high. Along with all data before the 80's or in some graphs the 60's being hidden, the over hyping of small fires makes it seem like a much larger issue than it truly is in reality.
Media hypes for views. Its a terrible cycle. And certain organizations have a hugeee investment in making sure there is a problem so they continue to get funded.
Honestly this is super interesting, i guess we shouldn’t surprised that trees actively influence the weather to suit their needs
so you´re telling me trees can basically summon rain?! this knowledge make trees even more amazing!
Here in Minnesota, winter temperatures tend to be warmer in the state's NE and NCentral quarters, where there's more, and more dense, evergreen forest. The dark pine needles collect more sunlight than the snow around the tree(s), at least for a while, and the result is warmer temperatures (and perhaps a bit more snow, since warmer air holds more moisture).
They block the wind and hold on to heat and moist.
Can't believe this took so long to be studied and figured out. I literally spent a weekend in the mountains and could watch clouds being made in the Shenandoahs.
It's mighty arrogant of us to assume that trees don't know what they're doing. Treebeard and the ents have made that very clear 🙂
Trees are just intelligent or more intelligent than animals. Trees are living organisms just like animals so they also know what they’re doing in order to thrive
A bit of a joke there but you're dead right. Imagine some upstart little race of hairless monkeys finally working out something you've done forever... And then effectively add that you couldn't know you were doing it or effectively, that you're just stupid. 🤣
Well... We don't know that. 🙄 Clearly they've never heard of Paul Stamets or mycelial tree communication on this channel (or forgot?), in the same way their sources never heard of a famous Hawaiian saying until perhaps rather recently. Only recognising our own kind of intelligence and the mechanism behind it doesn't sound like true intelligence at all to me. Oh well... Slow learning is better than no learning I suppose...
@@abrqzx I'd like to agree, to the point that there are reasons beyond our understanding for the tree's various activities. The thing is though, trees don't have a brain. They don't have a center for processing stimuli. They're reflexively reactive at most. Still, that doesn't take away from their awesomeness.
@@emil4580 not having brain, it doesn’t mean they are far less intelligent than animals. Trees can convert tons of chemicals to want they want and basically animals can’t do that.
And... trees share water through the fungi that interconnect them. The forest is like one big plant. (Well, it is lots of them, connected by fungi underground)
I see this ALL the time here on Vancouver Island, ALL the time. ❤️❤️❤️ The view is never the same, changes minute by minute in the morning.
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I'm currently going through a Permaculture design course and confirm that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Me too, thats why i was checking the comments. 🌳
This was something I had heard of before but never in this depth. Definitely was interesting to learn
We know that transpiration into the atmosphere from trees brings moisture inland and makes clouds. Sort of terraforming locally to have more clouds. Could it be that trees evolved to even stimulate cloud production for their own purposes? That it rained far less regularly once?
What I’ve always thought. Plants create their own soil to grow in, then influence the atmosphere to create more rain. Genius!
Probably. If you think about it, and it's possible for their emissions to bring about a favorable climate, it's likely any system that did that would be more likely to survive long enough to pass that trait on to their offspring. Those that did not do it would tend to be less likely to pass on that trait. Not a product of thought so much as a matter of cause and effect. That cause and effect simply makes the result appear to have been intended.
Well we know cutting don forests has the net effect of reducing or in some conditions even stopping the rain as the climate shifts to a different drier savanna or grassland type regimes. Moreover in areas with little vegetation there is generally less rain even accounting for water vapor concentrations
This follows a riparian 'theory' - the same 'theory' regenerative agriculture experts have discovered and used to make deserts bloom; part of a much deeper and broader understanding of environmental systems known to ancient cultures, as demonstrated by historians such as Bill Grammage through his studies of the evidence of knowledge of the Aboriginal peoples of Australia. In it's most simple form I think of biological growth on the earth as like a skin around a skeletal system, both mechanical and alive. The paramount goals are to allow flow of water without completely losing water (to facilitate nutrient transport) and to allow for light to create chemical energy, without getting cooked. I've even come across a 1973 paper (and later practitioners of its content into the 21st century) describing the effective use of petroleum sludge ( in the middle East) on desert sand, with holes cut through it to trap enough moisture to grow primary riparian pioneer trees like acacia. It sounded insane until the various tradeoffs became clear. If you can hold water long enough - slow its passage - you can use it as a vector for nutrients and can build a biological structure.
So indeed you are onto something - something we seem as a species to be constantly forgetting yet surely must have once known for our very survival. We might eventually one day need to rediscover it for the same.
At first I wondered if we can control the weather the way trees do.
But then I realized, it's probably best if we just... leaf it alone.
Wow, the bad puns just phloem from you, don't they?
perhaps they need support for a new narrative so they have to change the facts.
-.- get out
@@crashoppe Dude, this is a joke thread.
turns out we actually do, but as you suspected, it's better to leaf it alone because ... more dust particles in the air (read pollution) actually can lead to less rain than more rain. as particle count increases the amount of water vapor collected on each particle is less and therefor won't get big enough and heavy enough to fall out of the sky as rain.
i’m always impressed by how much care you put into each video!
*Yay, trees! Now go hug a tree AND go hug a tree-hugger!* (Hello from Seattle!)
💚🌲🌲🌲🌳🌴💚
Making rain with mono-terpenes sounds a lot better than aerial release of aluminum dust. I’m rooting for trees! 😊
Aluminum dust? No its silver iodide.
aluminum compounds are sometimes used in extremely high altitude experiments to study the movement of atoms and ionised particles at the intersection between our atmosphere and space. But I can't find any evidence of them being used for inducing rainfall. As said that's usually silver iodide
Thought it was aluminum. I am corrected.
One little quibble. α-pinene gives the _characteristic_ smell of pine. It is not _unique_ as there are many other plants that have α-pinene as the majority compound and smell just like pine. I love the hat.
like Marijuana!
@@AIChameleonMusic Marijuana smells like pine?
@@capturedflame A variety that smells like skunk when smoked is popular in my city.
Yes , Earth flora & fauna live in symbiosis! 🌷🌿🌍💜🕊
Dude. That is so crazy. Trees really out here watering themselves
Some farmers would say they knew that long ago. Some anecdote: As the Gehrenberg near Lake Constance was deforested by French occupying forces after WW II, a 3-years drought east of it followed which the locals traced back to the deforesting, and they insisted in reforesting. (That years were relatively dry anyway in Middle Europe, so deforesting was presumably not the only cause, but...)
Does this imply that the Redwoods grew so tall due to a feedback cycle between the coastal air and the tallest sequoia?
That makes so much sense! Is this why, on early, cool mornings, the mist is always heaviest over and in tree rich areas?
Yet another reason to plant more trees and stop deforestation!
Trees are the real OGs. Everything thing the flora does serves a purpose. Why is so crazy to think an organism, that has been around longer than we have, has picked up a few life-hacks along the way?
The power of the forest
*Thank you so much for saying 100 Tg* - that is, indeed, the proper, scientific way to refer to that amount of mass. I see in the comments that a lot of people are confused by it and would prefer non-scientific units like "100 metric megatons" or whatever. Sadly, that's because they've been coddled by science communicators all these years. But I'm happy to see that the trend is changing. I hope to see more communicators using the proper SI units and prefixes. No more "tons, kilotons, megatons, gigatons" - it's Mg, Gg, Tg, and Pg respectively. Same for length: It's not "million / billion / trillion kilometers" - it's Gm, Tm, and Pm respectively.
I hope this leads to further research into the possible effects by treating forests as oversized farms and cutting them down every few decades. 95% of the original Redwood forests have been cut down on the Pacific coast of the US, in the ecosystems that are now burning.
much of the old growth was cleared out by the 1880s
I'll never smell a pine forest the same way again.
1:34 I suppose 'one hundred million tonnes' was too simple?
Well you figured it out so no worries right? Teragrams is used in this context because that is vernacular used by researchers.
Hasn't all this been confirmed already in studies of reforestation projects?; that trees' evaporation creates a humid microclimate above, and large areas tend to perpetuate and slowly increase presence of clouds, air-borne moisture?
Sure that part is well known. What is much less certain is the role of the -- pinenes vs + pinenes and how they respond to drought and heat waves brought on by climate change.
This could well be the single most amazing thing I've yet learned. Just... WOW! 😲
I observed a while ago that when it gets cold out, people use their wood burning stoves.
Its easily seen by the smoke going into the air. My thinking was burning wood would make it rain more as it often seemed to occur when it was either to cold out. This also seemed to happen when something bad happens like a house fire. It always seemed to be like a built in natural mechanism of sorts and after watching this video it looks to be that way. Perhaps monoterpenes gets released in large quantities when burned through the wood itself. I'd think just like with any energy source once it is heated up these atoms come together faster and bond to form rain clouds.
Its just something that always made sense to me that burning wood seemed to make rain come about, but now I have a more concrete view of it backed by science.
"the trees don't know what they're doing."
You sure about that? Sure looks like it. They been doing it successfully a lot longer than we have.
It's strange to me how we are so surprised by this. I almost feel like everyone had a collective loss of memory that the trees were our friends as kids. What happened?
SAME. That's what I thought. Was this not taught in class 1? That trees make clouds which later rain and give oxygen and make life happen??
Greed happened.
Big corporate and not listening to the native Americans lol. Natives have had knowledge that scientist continue to rediscover then act like it's new. It's almost like spending generations somewhere in harmony with natrue makes you learn about it. We sure showed them XD
THAT IS THE COOLEST THING EVER! TREES MAKE CLOUDS that totally makes sense
Amazing video and incredible sponsorship segue
been saying this for years. we replace vast tracts of forest, vegetation, with vast tracts of hard concrete.
gone is the evaporation. gone is the absorption of precipitation when it falls.
Every Thursday I give the tree in my front yard a peanut butter sandwich.
Are you _sure_ it's a tree ?
But the ants steal it?
The world is a singular interconnected system. Love to Gaia ♥️
It most certainly is an interactive system singular and an interconnected I’m not too sure about
I mean if we ever find out there’s some kinda vast intelligence and/or consciousness that we just don’t see because we’re at far too small a scale comparatively, I _really_ won’t be surprised.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated I think the word for that is God
there are many levels, just like a single cell in your body is simultaneously part of a tissue, an organ, an organ system, and the organism as a whole, so too do you as a human exist under many levels of nested consciousness.
There is you as an individual, you as a member of the collective of your family, your neighborhood, your city, country, humanity, Life as a whole, the Gaian biosphere, the Earth-moon system, then on out to the planets, our solar system, Galaxy, galactic neighborhood, the universe, the whole of the cosmos, right down to the unified quantum field underlying all things, tied together since the big bang caused an apparent separation.
Christianity has done a lot of harm to the Western view of spirit, locking a lot of people into a dualistic expectation where "God" is some judgemental sky daddy, rather than the all-pervading force of consciousness that gives us substance, like the mind of the dreamer who maintains uncountable worlds.
Gods of the home, gods of lakes and forests, personal gods. All just labels, human words for ineffable forms of consciousness that most people don't try to interface with at all, don't even believe exist, because their materialist science hasn't invented a machine to measure consciousness (in the same way people didn't believe in ultraviolet or infrared or wi-fi signals before we had tools to measure them, because there are some frequencies of light that the human eye didn't evolve to see). Even though spiritual technologies exist, they won't make you a profit beyond living a more authentic life, so capitalism isn't interested
@@zachrowell6795 not necessarily, I’m talking on a planetary scale rather than a universal one.
This makes the old idea of Cloud Seeding sound far less out there. Especially if we can reproduce a compound mix similar to what a forest would put off, making it much safer and closer to how it occurs naturally as opposed to some of the chemicals that have been named in these types of ideas in the past.
The "Smokey Mountains" is a good example.
Yeah yeah, good video as always. But I have to say I've seen ads for Linode elsewhere of course, and I think you just nailed selling them - much more informative than most pitches :) Hope that works well for you all.
Really like your presentation and clarity of voice.
I teach EFL with science integrated.
I always notice colder weather around green areas
This makes me think of the Blue Ridge Mountains. The reason for the name is that the trees in the region actually do cause a bluish effect in the air and due to their leaf tones.
My brain literally popped as it formed a new wrinkle gained from this cool new info
Nice.
I dropped some monoterpenes back in the late 60's. And lemme tell ya, it's tree bark is
worse then it's bites. It will put you in the clouds for days and leaf you wanting more. "0_o"
Stupid question: Should I plant pine trees in my balcony then? Would it lead to cooler temperatures or the size is too small to make any impact?🤔
You can tell she's been practicing her pronunciation, good job!
Really well done. But why are terpenes associated with conifers/pines, and not broad leaf (angio) trees? Or has this changed across the decades?
"Not that the trees know what they're doing" lol don't they sure no brain but they respond as if they sentient. A local business man in Borneo was reclaiming old date palm land paying locals to plant and tend native trees and plants. He has a satellite picture of rain clouds forming only over his restoration project 20 plus years ago. Thanks for bringing it up again plants/trees = environmental security.
We often forget that for over 2 *billion* years life on earth was simple and single cellular.
In that time, two thousand, thousand, thousand years, might not cells have worked out elaborate chemistry?
Given that mutations keep happening every few generations.
Might not these methods of chemical signalling have been carried over into multi-cellular life of various kinds.
Hell, there's so much repeat evolution of similar traits when presented with similar selection pressures (convergent evolution)
It's crazy this is new research.
Yay for Rose Bear Don't Walk!
We were taught about 'evapotranspiration' when I was a child in the 1980s. Deserts = hot and dry, Rainforests = cool and wet (compared to deserts at the same latitude and altitude). Interesting that plants produce a chemical to increase rainfall.
Alright lets have it, I want to see this Apply Pie meme you keep talking about.
As I've been saying for years "we need more trees."
Generally CCN aren’t the limiting factor in condensation. The real limit is generally uplifting vertical motion, which cools the air enough to reach saturation (convection etc).
This is why cloud seeding hasn’t turned out to be very effective.
LOVE THAT HAT✊
Even pine trees do rain dancing? Cool!
New content always needed💯%
Maybe only a little related but "corn sweat" in the midwest is a big factor in the region's weather in the late summer.
please do a video on the Gaia Hypothesis James Lovelock/Lynn Margulis (her 1st husband was Carl Sagan) not only trees are synergetic but the whole natural planet is and self regulates the important/life giving conditions on Earth. I don't possess the vocabulary to explain it well but it's a fascinating read and not as known as it ought to be for consideration
So at the cost of having a raincloud follow me like in a cartoon I'd like a perfume made with alpha-pinene because it's the best smelling molecule out there
missed opportunity to replace the earrings with tree shaped car fresheners
Yuck
I am going to show my teacher this
I really wish you guys would connect your videos to a playlist so I don't have to change it every time it just freezes up when the video is over
Lol... So now we're learning just how much we really never knew!
Humans: We're smart
Plants- Legitimatly making rain for millions of years
Very enlightening
There's records of heavy rainfalls immediately after the tea harvest. Thousands of bushes rustled, releasing dust, bacteria and molecules, leading to rain downwind.
My takeaway is the trees are earth’s modulating superhero’s.
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Thank you. Updated information is key to critical thinking.
Rare that I have to slow down my videos from 2x! Thanks for the lesson! Also love the earrings
Freaking Fascinating! [if I'd been the writer I would've used the words "like cloud seeding."] Sometimes I think humans should put civilization "advances" on hold until we really understand what we're messing with. I'm NOT an environmentalist 😞 but I am a retired 🙂. (We're enemies.) Sometimes (often) I think we are like stirring gunpowder with a Match.
Are similar chemicals released when hey is cut, here in East Idaho it's a near desert but it's common to have cloud burst right over a freshly cut field of hey.
So he who controls the trees controls the weather, enter...the Lorax
So, what I'm getting from this is that the pine smell makes new rain clouds and we can stop droughts by hanging up a bunch of air fresheners in places there's not enough rain.
(legit, though, this is pretty cool. I'd heard of mushrooms creating rainclouds, but not trees. Also, the part about the hands kind of blew my mind)
As a kid in science class, my teacher made a joke that it was the leaves of the trees flapping that caused the wind. Weird to know how truth-adjacent that was...
Science of enantioners is fascinating. Especially for pharmacology.
Enantiomeres are incredibly important in biochemistry (just ask thalidomide-babies), but it would be strange if it affected cloud/rain formation. The molecules are just too simple. I wouldn't be surprised if one enantiomere has just a place to be stored biochemically while the other one doesn't and it's both beneficial to release some all the time but also more in precise times. But it would be more interesting and potentially a very important finding if different enantiomeres had an effect on even simple molecules that we just haven't grasped yet.
Who would have thought that human have a symbiotic relationship with trees? The twist is the relationship has become parasitic.
Fascinating stuff. This is great news that can be used to help alleviate global warming.
How do you do chirally-selective measurements of aerosol releases?
Sound like a job for a Left-Handed Smoke Sifter.
So what I'm getting is, Druids are even more OP than I thought (D&D reference albeit I've been hating on WotC a lot lately)
This is so interesting, especially considering a single tree wouldn't be enough to alter the weather alone. The trees must have evolved simultaneously for this trait to be adaptive. Meaning they evolved for cooperation and synchronization among each other.
Hey, That's the biodome from the Pauly Shore movie.
I have a question, how many ounces is 10 followed by 14 zero grams is?
Great hat!
Thanks 👍
So what i got as a take away, less plants, less rain, more drought.
How the heck did we not know this was a thing sooner?
I have long been convinced that replenishing our lost forests will greatly help to combat Climate Change. Now this evidence supports my inference.
We need to learn to love our forests and other plant communities better