"HANCOCK is STRONGER Than RAYLEIGH" - One Piece TOP 30 STRONGEST DEBATE W/
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I'm looking forward to more of KOL's power scaling in 2022, he's the best worst when it comes to acknowledging character's strength.
That’s actually a really good way to put it. The best worst lol I like it.
Remember judge top 5, lmaaooooooo
Unless it's about Sanji :D
When he’s on point he’s on point. When he misses the mark he really misses the mark haha
@@cagedstuntmanpc2419 was he ever on point tho?
I demand more BDA and KOL videos. Their collaboration gives me life.
IM SAYIN!
Look at my comments.
Gives u life ? 🤣 i feel very sad for the person when I read comments like this , Jk or not 💀
@@Foolioas if you don’t like it move on. Or you can continue to troll. It’s up to you
Maaaan KOL exposed my guy BDA, shit is so funny. We want more
We need a weekly hour long episode on this channel of just Brago and KOL talking One Piece! Like this so they make it happen
For real man. Their chemistry is crazy. Lets start a petition for them to have a podcast weekly
I disagree with slot of KOL takes. Your saying rayleigh is only as strong as queen? Really! That's blasphemy
KOL is known for saying some crazy shit stil love him tho 😭😭😭
Rayleigh high diffs Queen
@@swagman2001 yea I do too. His personality makes up for some of the takes lol
Rayleigh is Yonkp level or close he low diff queens
@@lutherholayeahme7449 low diff or mid diff at best
KOL: “I don’t know if Rayleigh has infused armament haki”
-Rayleigh uses armament haki like a kame hame ha when demonstrating luffy that armament haki could be used in an offense way
@@qarcon3247 rayleigh probably slightly below roger, that dude is strong af
@@qarcon3247 he is downplaying zoro by downplaying the vice captain of roger. it is what it is.
@@lostmarimo thats actually what the case is. He knows zoro is the rayleigh of the strawhats.
@@qarcon3247 i believe of rn rayleigh is stronger than her but if she gets advance coc then she would surpass him
@@lostmarimo i would say rayleigh is comparable to roger simply because of he’s in story and was the 1st commander, if scopper was in the story too i would like to think there would be more a sanji zoro dynamic
Here for all the wild things KOL boutta say 😂
Facts bro haha 😄
hahaha he’s insane i love it
brago shocked me. katurkuri stronger than Zoro? I think that’s nutz. WCI Luffy stronger than Zoro. Enma + Conquers coating? zoro is a swordsman as well. He would have an easier time dealing with katurkuri than Luffy because he’s a swordsman. More of an advantage than fists against mochi.
@@ahmedj1254 What can Zoro do against future sight?
@@amamihe6465 same thing he did with King, figuring it out lol. sam way Luffy did against Katakuri. same thing Zoro did against Mr.1 and Pica. figure out their ability and beat them at it.
1059 really made the name of this video have a diff meaning
The Rayleigh disrespect is WILD
I know right, Rayleigh is strongest Righthand in One Piece.
@@logancharles3612 litterly was he boxing with an admiral casually he's easily 1st commander level ATLEAST
Anything to slander Zoro, it's king of copium.
@@logancharles3612 my hc tells me its ryuma
Cope is just oozing out of his body.....Hyping up Oden and Gaban while shitting and downplaying Rayliegh..
🤨..It's all there clear as Crystal...who you tryna fool Kol....😂😂
Listen.
If garp and whitebeard are only a few years apart and the two of them were on par in strength in their primes plus the only thing holding whitebeard back was his sickness, not his age and he still did what he did to akainu, then there's no way in hell you fools can tell me akainu wouldn't have gotten smoked by garp at marineford. 💀
No. Way.
Akainu was still a young buck to them at that point, punching way above his weight 🤷🏾♂️
I think similar but Garp probably do that too often anymore because he is so old and all that haki sucks up lifeforce so he probably beats akainu because he is mad as fuck but he either dies or has no way to do that many more times.
No both his sickness and his age impacted his strength.... Its just that his sickness impacted it more than his age. Primebeard is arguably the number 1in the entire verse. He was in noway shape or form prime, not because of his sickness but because his time was up.
@@Leeacademy2024 Prime white beard isn’t number 1 in the entire verse Rocks clearly is. Nigga had Prime Big mom kaido and WB on his crew.
Stop the cap. Garp may be strong but he is no way near strong as he was in his prime. He literally stated himself that he could throw cannons much further in his prime and lost his touch. Admirals are just as strong as yonkos so Akainu definitely has all 3 types of Haki and advanced too. Garp may of damaged him for some time but Akainu wouldn’t of lost.
@@daligang1359 i really feel like akainu is also a little overrated, ok he has a very offensively strong devil fruit but with the proper Implementation of haki a lot of people could defened better. Whitebeard simply got that damaging hit because with his heart attack whitebeard could not defend at all and akainu was ruthless and did it in the right moment.
The only one who damaged marco in phoenix form was garp. Kizaru couldn't do shit to him and akainu just pushed him away. The old man slander makes no sense at all.
We know that marcos df allows him to regenerate extremely fast that is why all of kizarus light beams looked like they were doing nothing at the start of the fight, garp attacked marco with haki so ofc it dealt damage but still marco was alright right after, but the longer the fight went the more we saw marcos regeneration deminish since kizaro with the same beams that he used at the start of their fight started to actually deal damage
Yeah, no. Difference cases. Garp uses blunt attacks. Marco takes the full force and doesn't just have it pass through his body.
That is not how his df works he is no logia, he regenerates
@@chupaqueedeuva885 marco aint a logia he just heals attacks. Every attack does damage to him but he always regenerates haki or no haki
@@abdullahinasrudin2086 yeah, I know, thats why I said that marcos regenerations gets weaker the more he uses it, and that garps attack dealt more damage early on because garp more then likely used haki which makes attacks stronger.
The marco hate uncalled for man always fighting actual threats while other commanders like katakuri just statpadding vs fodder
Kat doesn't stat pad he just eats donuts and chills blame his siblings 😂😂😂😂
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To be fair to Kidd, Kidd also made Big Mom bleed, if you look closely, blood was flowing from the top of her head, This would mean a wound was opened up from the top of her head, external damage. Law only did internal damage, so that could not have been opened up by Law.
I believe that Kid and Law will defeat Big Mom this arc
@@enanebres6481 Idk I kinda hope they save big moms defeat for another time for luffy to defeat, he did tell her he would beat her ass all around the new world. Would make sense for him beating her
@@MexikoM5 it would just drag out
It weakened her body.... Law's attack was not limited to damage.
Man As a kid fan I didn’t even realise this but ppl will skip this over cause they don’t like kid and they think his attacks look garbage which isn’t the point when he’s been on the roof oda has clearly shown him being able to damage a yonko the rooftop supernova have gotten so strong than law throwing rocks hurt kaido but ppl want to complain about kids attack but they didn’t say anything about that and kid physical he is quite scary he basically the only on to show with physical force and not some ryou haki or enteral damage that he has the attack output to hurt a yonko just physical force it’s a little more than that since he can kind ignore you basic durability cause he is crushing you like a compactors kaido says it him self you seem to have found a way to get past my defence he even made bigmom bleed now on the outside no advanced haki just shows you his attack potency and any one else that isn’t top tier could be put out with kids punk crash
This video was a really good watch! As much as I disagree with some of KOL's takes, he makes the video really entertaining!
Yeah i Agree synsei inc has a really Logically list i Can recommend it
their laughters made it entertaining
58:16 was said as a joke but its crazy how accurate KOL was with Luffy's Gear 5 and Awakening
Bro it shook me 😭
kol is usually cooking but not all the time@@roxas13keyblade65
For someone who prides themselves on "power levels"....KOL is really really bad at discerning power levels. The copium is strong within him.
That is what make things interesting
this is why i stropped listening to KOL he's a clown
Hes not bad, hes just bias AF lol
to be fair, it's not that easy to estimate the characters strength in one piece because many things are still unknown. we still have to see the true power ( or limits ) of the yonko and admirals. people jump way too fast to conclusions. thats why those power levels continue to shift back and forth.
@@Ptolemy336VV
I Dunno about that....it's one of things kol is wrong about and agenda driven from the beginning....
So you basically believe/wants to believe that it's gonna be on that bullshit where Luffy should be far/tiers above from Zoro. Sanji should be close /equal to Zoro..It should be like your avg or general...younko crew...and pyramid system even if yc2 are never been portrayed to be close to yc1🤦♂️even if the story been telling you it's gonna be otherwise from the beginning that Straw hat pirates are different and will be Different
"Put brago in his place".....😂😂 If there's a group I hate more than Zkk it's Mc Sexuals group 😒.Stop wanking luffy throughout heavens and earth ...there are gonna be characters comparative to him....Roger wasn't the only person at the Top eos....many characters were his relative and was on tier of strength....I can understand if you wanna say he edges them out a bit cool....but If you wanna claim he was tiers above then I will say you're blasphemous and living in your own Delusion 😂😂 especially if both Luffy's and Zoro's goal from the beginning to reach the apex and be best of the best.......But I can already smell the agenda.......as you also have the prblm with his Mihawk placement 🤦♂️😂
Zunisha gotta be in everyone's top 30 by the end of the year. I'm actually surprised no one considers him/it.
Zunisha 2nd commander level
zunisha could literally one shot anyone honestly lol
Zunisha One Shotted Jack. He is Yonko level for sure. I don’t think even Akainu can one shot Jack
@@Strawhat.. Damn, Zunesha did indeed obliterate Jack but let's not go too far now. Akainu could make a hole in Jack and kill him in 1 hit, so let's chill.
If we include zunisha, definitely top 5. Casually one shotting jack is a crazy feat considering all it took to put him down in the raid.
Hancock isn’t stronger then Rayleigh … she could be stronger but right now with what we know she deffo isn’t
For sure, people actually forgetting what kind of hype rayleigh was getting back in marine Ford, even if front an admiral they didn't think they could beat him without actual preparations and he's considered a legend just Like wb, boa is just two underused at this point to put her above rayleigh 👍
@@jaycienlovelace3123 people are also forgetting how broken Hancocks power is tho. Anyone who feels the slightest attraction to her is affected by her power. This includes men women and animals. Her power should work on basically anyone in the series except for Luffy and maybe Fujitora. Most people would lose to her.
She also has all 3 kinds of haki and probably a form of advanced armament.
@@FrenulemEnjoyer it's not like galands commandment doh, it's quite literally like foxy beam, it can be avoided if someone actually feels attracted to her, it's a strong power yes but it's not unstoppable or anything, haki wise we haven't gotten any significant top tier hype from boa to even have her in top 20 tbh
Boa’s power is Hax, you can say Ray can not be attracted to her or the beam can be dodged but she has shown the ability to utilize it physically and against inanimate objects(swords, robot/cyborgs) So it doesn’t even have to be purely strength. It’s her power set on top of her monsterous strength.
@@greywarden5513 yh her df power is dangerous, but rn in the story it seems that haki is the basic power systems that matters the most so we have to see boas mastery in haki first, we know this is rayleigh's specialty after all
Sanji is very weak against boa because he will fall in love with her in 1 sec and turn into stone 😂😂😂😂
Rayleigh just had to save Hancock lol
Wasn't it revealed by Oda that Shanks actually had a huge crew and the ones who arrived at Marineford were just the top officers? Cause that would really be a blow to KOL's Shanks crew supreme elite minimum mentality.
Shanks crew has been confirmed to have highest average bounties so Kol's view isn't wrong , shanks may have some allies but his crew is just those people (maybe some other but they're not fighters per se ) just like strawhat crew.
shanks crew might be the same as luffy. Those guys are the crew of his ship. Then he had other crews working under him.
It was revealed as such. Those we saw at Marineford are basically his executives/lieutenants.
His main crew(not allies or fleet) is actually much bigger, like the other Yonko crews.
I think Shanks crew just have 100-200 men. Thats little compare to Kaidou or Big Mom's gigantic army
@@HyakuJuu01300 I knew it. I had a feeling I read it somewhere.
I don’t think doffy can control a biscuit soldier Bc like how is the string gonna make the biscuit move, Bc I guess I always thought that the string went into the nervous system and I doubt the biscuits have a nervous system
it just attaches to them and moves them manually If they could manipulate someones nervous system that would mean the strings enter the persons body in that case why not just choke out the heart
It's only parasite string that attaches to living bodies to move them. We've seen that Doffy can also use strings externally to wrap around people and things to move them.
Bruh you think a marionette doll has a nervous system?
Man what why is this comment liked it's stupid as hell
@@bilalchiiino3423 that’s what I’m saying since it’s only one string going to the base of the skull that would make sense that it’s entering the body and just controlling stuff, it’s not too far fetched considering doffy strung his organs back together lol
This is the perfect video for my smoke sesh tonight
Edit: I was correct, every time KOL gets hype about something I feel his Conqueror’s Haki
Bruh match a bowl 😭
Bro really just made me pull out the bong with this comment
Read my fuckin mind
Man this would be lit if it was twitter we could do that group chat shit 😂
Best comment
As for Garp becoming weaker and being at half strength that kinda just hypes Garp, Sengoku, Whitebeard, Roger, Rocks, and Chinjao. Garp was still considered one of the two leading Marine men on the front with Sengoku when he retired. Meaning they we're over the admirals then and would likely stay above them for some time as they were asked not to retire. As for Rayleigh he was training Luffy up until he left so he was likely stronger then when or at least had more stamina than when he went for it with Kizaru.
@ʟᴀᴢʏ 死 I mean when you look at Marco vs Garp vs Marco vs Big mom it's kinda enough said right there. Garp basically makes Marco fodder Big mom has to put in some actual effort against Marco.
@@joelswilley7533 Wouldn’t go that far. It was only 1 attack. I would put Big Mom over Garp bc it’s never implied that the Marine counterparts of Pirates can win 1v1. Garp and Sengoku vs Shiki for example instead of just making it Garp vs Shiki
@@KurokamiNajimi yhh but we also have garp and roger vs rocks pirates
@@MIKEZMAJEK I don’t think they 2 v the entire crew wouldn’t make sense because Whitebeard was there and he’s Roger’s rival so it would imply Roger way before his prime was somehow stupidly ahead of Whitebeard. But even with that even though he let Garp be involved he didn’t let him get the credit solo, intentionally making that a misdirection in the story. To be clear Garp is pretty high for me I still think he’s the strongest Marine alive until he’s shown to be sick
Garp said he is using half of his strength with the Canon balls.... he is not weaker... dark king is no where near weak... kol is weak in the head
Don't sleep on Hancock. She's DaNGeRoUs!
Hancock surely has potential..just because there is no certain cap to her power yet
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if King Of Copium said Alvida is stronger than Rayleigh and Don Krieg is stronger than Mihawk. The guy is just too far gone in his Zoro hatred, he lives in his own delusions.
You know he's not gonna sleep at night when Zoro's bounty surpasses Sanji's at the end of Wano 🤣🤣🤣
What does him saying boa is stronger than Rayleigh have to do with zoro or mihawk
Do you really need me to spell out the paralells Zoro has with Mihawk and Rayleigh?
He slanders those two and in turn slanders Zoro indirectly.
There is a lot of "Copium", theories and opinions in the OP community. There is never official facts when you're basing things off something that didn't happen. At the end of the day its just a opinion. Wise up. As for the Zoro take, you might be the delusional one. You believe it's hatred because you want someone to give MORE appreciation than they already did. Judging from how you think, I assure you that he will sleep well at night. Instead you should worry about how to stop spreading false narratives.
@@simpward6810 don't let kol fool you he is paying 5D chess these days... It's impressive. He knows it's getting to be too obvious to outright slander Zoro, so he's gonna attack Mihawk and any character that has a similar relationship wherein their str correlate to zoro's. That includes characters that because of their fighting styles could potentially be seen as an indicator for how strong Mihawk and zoro may or may not be.
LMAOOOO you said you wouldn't be surprised if he said alvida is stronger than Rayleigh what's that got to do with Zoro 😂
Crazy how they disrespect Garp but Shanks and crew haven't done anything either.
He’s disrespecting Garp because of his old age. Shanks is literally only 39 and a yonko so we can assume that he’s very powerful right off the bat
Hancock's stronger than a lot of people but she just has not gotten the screen time to show it
Or she hasn't fought someone strong enough for her to even start trying. 0
I think boa is strong and everyone on Amazon Lily. Im pretty sure she has advanced armament haki. They were able to use it with projectile weapons which we haven't seen from anyone else yer
Rayleigh could keep up with kizaru. He may be getting older but he certainly is insanely fast.
But kol is right Marco did a way better job than Rayleight
@@estebanbr7596 not really. Rayleigh landed a clean hit on him then they stalemated. Kizaru blocked Marco’s attack then they stalemated until Marco got hit by the lasers
@@Juswub80 Rayleigh landed on Kizaru when?
@@rodneymcstah2973 he did a cut on his check in chapter 512
Kizaru said that they need at least 2x admirals to bring in the dark king
As far as doffy goes if he comes out stronger we can just say that his haki bloomed during his fight with luffy.
nah if thats true everyone would get stronger after a defeat? normal process would be they should have depression not getting stronger all of a sudden. doffy get stronger after defeat makes no sense. did brook get stronger after being defeated by bigmom? he didnt right?😆😆😆
@@당신은더미입니다 he absolutely did, he awakened his fruit when fighting luffy
@@l95027 bruh doffy was already awakened before Luffy.
@@당신은더미입니다 I feel mindset after a loss means a lot... n I don't think doffy waa depressed.. I defs think he's coming back stronger
@@RasLunacy im not saying he was im saying he must undergo that process. if anyone gets stronger after defeat then everybody would prefer to lose to get stronger. even if this is anime it wouldnt make anysense.if someone grew stronger from a defeat it would be a mental strength but it will take some time and not all aspects gets stronger. hes been jailed for so long how can be stronger when hes not even training his body.he cant even move with sea stone chains. just pure common sense and that would be illogical writting if its true
If you think about it Hancock could have been trained by Rayleigh so that makes her his student just like Luffy
That is very interesting
Or maybe its shakky who train them!
@@imawarrior3516 ain't shakky might be from Amazon lily
@@imawarrior3516 true but Rayleigh must have taught boa how to use Conquers haki
@@XJSPlays02 well let say both shakky and ray😁
everyone needs to remember that one piece is narratively power scaled so if a character we see back in marineford magically pops up and they’re giving zoro or sanji trouble when they got one shotted back then it’s not surprising
so if we see boa being yonko level don’t be surprised it’s just that she popped up later in the story
KOL needs to stop with powerscaling🤦🏾♂️
Garp and whitebeard were both about the same Level in their prime. Old whitebeard was taking on marineford and put up a good fight with akianu, while being extremely sick. To me whitebeard is further from his prime than garp. You can't take any garp vs luffy as reference.
and keep in mind whitebeard still put up a huge fight without being able to use haki cuz of his sickness, now imagine how strong old garp is since he still has his haki
@@Samir-rd8xp so you’re saying wb did no damage to akainu?
@@madmoxxi7397 i never implied that😂 where in my comment did you get that from
This is the top 30 collab we needed but didn’t deserve 🔥
Agreed. But KOL's power scaling is deserved, but not needed.
@@find_the_truth elaborate?
@@find_the_truth lol nah
So, let me get this straight. Whitebeard, who was old at shit, who had a TERMINAL illness, who was literally stabbed through the heart basically half dead, almost kills Akainu at Marineford, but Garp, who is considered at the height of that generation along with Whitebeard and Roger, who DOESN'T have a terminal illness, who WASNT stabbed through the chest , couldn't kill Akainu??? KOL and Brago on one lmao
He didn’t almost kill Akainu if he didn’t get knocked out and continued to fight all of wb commanders. You guys are weird downplaying Akainu.
Whitebeard snuck up on Akainu and hit him with his strongest attack at that specific time and couldn’t even knock him out. Come on now
@@BeastBoy557 I get what you’re saying, but where did it say it was his strongest attack? Stop with assumptions.
Come on akainu had to crawl away like a coward to barely escape with his life. You dont get to bitch out like that
@@princedewin it definitely was his strongest attack at that time. He was sick and dying and he hit Akainu with everything he had left. His punch literally broke Marineford. I’m not saying his strongest attack ever but it was quite clearly his strongest attack at the time.
Boa definitely has armament coating since her subordinates do so it’s not a stretch to assume she has conquerors coating
It is a stretch cause it hasn’t been hinted or shown
@@kenyonmckee2268 it has
@@comfortfobee4615right. Marigold was confirmed to have Ryuo, sander hinted at ACoO, so it wouldn’t be a stretch to say hancock has ACoC
@RaymondCr Actually, it *KINDA* confirmed in a way that in a databook, it says that with Conquerors haki, Hancock is as strong as she is beautiful, which is the running theme in Amazon Lily and one can only be that strong if it's advanced
I am not going to lie, these two need to have their own podcast lol Great chemistry and huge potential!
Fact lol!
Your comment needs more likes!
I have no words for these KOL and BDA conversations/discussions/disputes. THESE ARE SOME INTERESTING TAKES! They are amazing. Power scaling is a very interesting side of the One Piece community, and it really makes you think. As someone who’s been only reading the manga weekly for under two months now, this series has become so much more fun to experience through the various discussions, videos, streams that not only this channel, but many more have created. Being a manga reader is so much more fun then being an anime only.
W Video. I honestly can’t wait for part 2.
@@Kanemakii If you get too into it no doubt
@@Kanemakii Buggy strongest character easy
Facts
@@JJ_loves_JP no its Con D oriano
@@genesiscyborg3528 actually it’s Gaimon
Boa stronger than the “Dark King Rayleigh” the guy with every single haki known to man🤦🏾♂️
To be fair, Boa prob has every Haki known to man as well.
Useless Captain Mid had me dying XDDDDD
King of lightning violate Kidd trying say he mid tier
Useless Cappin' Mid*
KOL has some bone to pick with kid lmao
nothing 'dressrosa' doflamingo does can hurt queen
Most people don't seem to realize the difference between when Kaido attacks Luffy and when Kaido attacks other people especially with thunder bagua. Kaido literally keeps aiming for Luffys head. Kaido even commented on gouging luffys eyes out. During the first fight kaido one shot luffy by aiming for the head. During the second fight kaido aims at luffys head yet again and grazed luffy. Zoro and Law did not take a thunder bagua to the head, they took it to the body. Ive noticed that Kaido keeps aiming for Luffys head throughout the fight.
I didn't realize and I checked now and surprisingly Luffys last loss against Kaido (the one he fell off onigashima) was possibly an attack straight to his forehead.
Check Luffy head as he falls down onigashima and you'll see the big bruise or mark on his forehead. Kaido put a lot of weight on that attack that it's visible but people didn't see it
Also kanjuro is the second to be aimed at the head
kaido tryna injure my boy for life 💀
Ever heard of something called plot ?
law and zoro tanked thunder bagua way stronger than luffy did. wano beginning and they were hit on their entire body with lightning leaking out which is more devastating
@@jagmbaksvshsh the body can take much more damage than the head. If I 4 year old child jumped on your head it could knock you out or even kill you. If a fully grown man jumped on your body it would probably hurt but you'd be relatively fine for the most part. There is a huge difference between getting hit in the head compared to the body.
When it comes to Rayleigh and hancock Rayleigh was the right hand man of Gol D Roger the king of pirates that means he was stronger then all first commander and being that strong without a df is not easy that's why I think Rayleigh had advance coc and it also creates parallel between zoro and Rayleigh right hand man of past and future kings and as for boa it's not even confirmed if she can use ryou (Rayleigh can conformed ) let alon adv coc and there even hints about it and when its comes to df we know haki and stop or make is hard for df effect to work on someone not saying Rayleigh can avoid boa df ability completely but there is a way to do so that's why even at old age I think Rayleigh is stronger than hancock and
You're using too many hypotheticals. Marco and Katakuri were kids when he was Rogers right hand so there's no way to know how he compares to them. Roger was Pirate King cause of his accomplishments. Not because he was stronger than Shiki WB or BM.
People highballing Boa for no reason imo I bet money koby will beat her
Way too much headcannon. We have no idea how haki interacts with Boas fruit. Until proven otherwise we ALWAYS assume boas fruit will work on anyone bar people that arent lusting her.
Old age make you less lustful. That helps reyleigh imo.
Not saying who wins. Just saying people don't take that into account.
@@poutineausyropderable7108 my grandpa disagrees
58:10 bruh kol literally called it😆 bro that crazy.
Why everyone is still sleeping on garp.
Akinu would destroy garp
@@mightguy3118 akainu is top 7 though. Are you putting garp in the top 10?
@@mightguy3118 like madara destroyed you .
@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt garp is in top 20
@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt Kaido >>>>>> garp.Prime boe Hancock >>>>>> garp
Law definitely has improved his stamina, but the difference between him and other top Supernova, I THINK, is that they were more physical than he was. He took on a more support role. He played the 'wizard' role for their team, mixed with physical attacks. He hung back and looked for openings. Law was lit.
Law doesn’t need to be overly physical because he’s very precise. Mind you he’s physically strong enough to level a mountain range.
@@silversauceran I fully agree. My comment was specifically about them talking about his stamina and how he's still fighting, compared to the rest.
@@silversauceran that wasn’t physical strength tho. That was all devil fruit ability. He’s not leveling mountains without his fruit. Base strength Law isn’t impressive. Let’s not confuse had for strength 😂🤣
Law on his own? really strong but not the best. Law in a group? probably top 5 guys in the verse. dude has mad utility
@@ericjohnson9136 what?? He was trained by the doffy crew 🤣he literally learned swordsmanship,martial arts etc… y’all be saying anything he’s only got low stamina because of the fruit 💯literally he wouldn’t be a fair character if he never got tired
My Top 30(alive characters mind you no in depth research went into making this):
30 - Doffy(I'm baised towards Doffy)
29 - Sanji
28 - Garp
27 - Weevil
26 - Zoro
25 - Cracker
24 - Jozu
23 - Boa
22 - Lucky Roux
21 - Law
20 - Katakuri
19 - Marco
18 - Rayleigh
17 - Shiryu
16 - Fujitora
15 - Sabo
14 - Greenbull
13 - Aokiji
12 - Kizaru
11 - Benn Beckman
10 - Akainu
9 - Sun God D Luffy
8 - The Gorosei
7 - Big Mom
6 - Blackbeard
5 - Mihawk
4 - Dragon
3 - Shanks/Kaido
2 - Kaido/Shanks
1 - Imu
Didn’t it state the Rayleigh and shanks were relative in conquerors. Why wouldn’t he have conquerors infusion. Does shanks not have it? Oh wait. He does.
KOL living in his own delusions. Yamato over rayleigh and garp. Its like saying oden if lived would be below yamato now.
@@premmandavkar2242 right! And I feel like kaido was taking it easy on Yamato. The whole time he was trying to convince her to stop defending the people of wano. If he wanted to flat out kill her, why would he talk to her?
@@evilmonkey9196 lol no he was right handman of pirate king at some point
@@evilmonkey9196 lol no keep deluding yourself she is not gonna able hold back an admiral like rayleigh did in his older days
@@evilmonkey9196 no he wasnt ( huffing and puffing doesnt matter as zoro was huffing vs fodder)
Ain't no way honcock was captured by koby right ?
highly doubt they will even fight due to their relation ship too Luffy. on paper Boa claps koby anyways based off what we seen.
@@avalac7412 we have seen nothing canon that would say Boa just claps Coby….. haven’t seen anything from either of them other than Boa beating Smoker who has been washed by everyone now
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 perfume femur magna
No way.Hancock would clap koby no diff, he's fodder
Coby is just going update her about the situation with luffy in wano for her concern. We all know coby not even match for boa Hancock
A conversation needs to be had about Oda is underutilizing Kidds devil fruit power. First and foremost he has the power of magnetism which is one of the main laws of physics and is involved in almost everything we do. Additionally he should have the same capabilities as Magneto from the X-men which would make him and his devil fruit truly devastating.
Exactly people always say “kids trash” but really it’s oda failing to write his powers properly
Kidd is probably going to be top 5 most important characters EoS. When you tie vegapunk and his creations, the pacifistas, they're all made of metal. Nothing but Plot Induced Stupidity is stopping kidd from just crushing them like a coke can.
Bro I like that you referenced magneto Kidd literally should have one of the most OP fruits if we’re going off of how strong magneto is
Kid's character is a brawler and meathead, him using it "like Magneto" makes no sense character wise.
Oda is afraid to open the gates of his powers and turn him OP as fk, so he's going to portray him as a basic-ish brawler
Ok, want this revisited now post Big Mama fight!! Lol kid and law high 20’s. This has not aged well of you ask me.
Kol law hurt kaido with rocks I think your just underestimating how strong the rooftop nova are and you mentioned kid saying you can hurt kaido with physical force a few chapters later kid literally crushed kaido with his punk vice kaido stating he found away to hurt him and his slam asw if rocks managed ti hurt kaido just shows you oda made them all the rooftop nova monstrous you can argue with feats the writer is giving you 😑
Dont even try with the Kid stuff bro lol KoL must have stole his lunch money.
Low key I dont get how you put Kid under Kid when hes shown that he can hang like Luffy can with a Yonko.
Also at the time kidd and kaido fight during dressrosa arc Kidd must of tried everything to hurt kaido and it couldn’t work because Kidd never learned ryou which is understandable why he was shocked that luffy did some damage that’s why I have high regards for Kidd cause once he learns to master his haki and with his DF he’ll be very very devastating… KOL I just can’t understand the way he thinks man smh 🤦🏾♂️ luffy tried the first time but couldn’t hurt kaido till he learned ryou…
Did we forget when marco held off big mom for a period of time?
for half a second, did no damage and then got manhandled
You mean she just slapped him around in seconds?
He was able to clash evenly with her for a bit offscreen (992-995)
@@Divine..__.. woman handled
Nope. Marco is goated. His physicals matched big mom. Big mom couldn't crush Marco alone. She needs perospero to finish Marco off. She claims herself she didn't have enough soul weapons to spare on Marco.
Kaido's top 5 is based on his experience and the Captains of a crew only that's why he didn't mention Rayleigh! Garp even compared Rayleigh to Whitebeard as they didn't have enough manpower to take on both the legends!
Bro you sum those two up and get 100% of combat power. Then take WB out and you just took 99% of the combat power.
@@estebanbr7596 lmaoooo facts WB is wild as fuck, ill be generous and say WB is about 80%
@@estebanbr7596 … that’s stupid as hell. We seen them take on Whitebeard, it’s obviously 70-30
There is no way in hell you think Rayleigh is close to a myth like WhiteBeard, no bro, the captains are not close to their right and left hands men AT ALL
@@abdulaziznasseralsaif7588 that's your opinion and I respect that but it's far from the truth...
Kol No.1 would be Judge
And sanji above Admiral
🤣
lmao ofc KING think Yamato is weaker than his sanji and zoro xD
y'all got to stop calling boa instead of hancock. I keep thinking yall are talking about boa sandersonia bruh
Hate to be "that zoro fanboy" but zoro being below katakuri is absolutely nuts.
Even if you ignore Boa’s CoC and insane physical feats, her DF alone is absolutely busted. One clean hit from her could be an instant win condition.
@Emanuel Ben Ami And do you realize that just because it works on Law's fruit doesn't mean haki will negate Boa's? Also, Boa is a conquerors haki user, whereas Law is not, and she is also the leader of an entire nation that specializes exclusively in haki. That gives her far better portrayal in terms of haki than law has. So, even if her fruit is affected by haki, her own haki would make it much more difficult to overcome than law's.
@Emanuel Ben Ami Law's "physcial feats" mainly are due to him using his devil fruit to bypass defense. Boa can do similar with her df.
end of series zoro will match luffy....
remember luffys ultimate goal is to be free, he needs strength to achieve it, but strength is not his goal.......and thus when he will be free, he will not get stronger or have that same drive
zoro is driven by strength and his goal is strength...........
i think even after becoming strongets swordsman, zoro will not be satisfies and he will push to reach the level of blade and haki no swordsman has ever reached......this includes roger, rayleigh, ryuma , oden and mihawk.........
Zoros goal is not predicated solely on strength….. he doesn’t want or have to do something no swordsman has done, he just needs to keep his promises
luffy the mc
Luffy's goal is strength. His only role in the crew, as he himself said, is to be strong enough to protect his crew. He thus have to be stronger than anyone else, and I'm not even talking about becoming Pirate King yet.
Yeah no Luffy most likely will be the strongest by the end of the series zoro will not be as strong as luffy
Zoro might be on the same tier but I doubt they will be equals.
Do a video why garp loses to Akainu at marineford. Akainu was struggling with a sick dying whitebeard. Garp fought whitebeard in his prime. Plus garp is fresh and Akainu wasn’t, garp definitely could’ve killed akainu.
You said yourself that garp is prob around 75-80% strength. Prime garp slaps prime Akainu. An angry 75-80% garp can’t kill a battle fatigued Akainu (who’s not expecting friendly fire) ? That’s harder to believe than Kidd being useful
Akainu has greater stamina than old garp and he can basically regenerate. Garp sure did fought whitebeard in his prime but shiki fought sengoku and garp at once and still destroyed half of marineford and injured garp and we know that shiki ain't in same level as Roger and whitebeard.
Listen kid u should know THAT DF DOESN'T GET AFFECTED BY YOUR AGE,SICKNESS, HEALTH and it's clear while the haki of garp gets affected
@@angrymaniac53 Akainu does not have regeneration abilities. Before it was the yonko it was roger whitebeard and shiki. Shiki is powerful. Garp was injured sure but shiki still lost.
@@riyaddahami975 haki is willpower. An angry garp, the grandfather of monkey D Deff has enough willpower to bring to Akainu. Prime garp is so far ahead of prime Akainu that a weakened garp comes down to around his level. And after fighting whitebeard akainus not fresh so he gets put down if garp really tried to kill him. It’s NOT CLEAR haki diminishes with age. While he may be slower, have less stamina, and less strength than he used to theres ZERO evidence that haki declines.
🤣🤣🤣These collabs with KOL are always pushing the boundaries. I think its the collab I enjoy the most. Controversial takes make for good banter. Captain D Mid classic
I would have Yamato & Boa close to the same ranks because I haven’t seen enough from either. Also for me, anybody who uses Coc coating has to be ranked within the top 20, so Garp, Rayleigh and possibly Sengoku has to be ranked higher. That “old” argument doesn’t work because we’ve seen Whitebeard destroy Akainu, so Rayleigh & Garp without a doubt in my mind could beat Admirals, they don’t even have health problems unlike Whitebeard.
Nah Yamato already has decent feats.
Bro no. Yamato already has *phenomenonal* feats. Boa is still an enigma.
@@shacourbrissett9625 Agree. We are yet to see Boa's upper limits. Among the warlords, she's the most difficult to powerscale.
There's no way Garp, Rayleight and Sengoku are at 80% power level compared to their prime, I think they're around 50-60%. Don't understimate age
Nigga where did you get these percentages from
@@daligang1359 BDA LAw mentions in the video that he thinks Sengoku, Raileight and Garp are around 80% of powerl level compared to their prime, and I'm saying there's no way they are at 80% power level compared to their prime now, I'd would lean more on 50-60%, just like KOL mentions it in the video as well.
Dude big mom is 72 and is top 5. Garp is for sure top 5 right now. He was portrayed above the admirals at the summit war and was the last line of defense along with sengoku. Her has the title
Of the strongest marine ever. He baby shake Marco without a struggle and Marco froze there like a bitch.
Kol is off his rocker. Mans either got a few screws loose or is missing half his sandwich from his lunchbox.
@@chadboy1515 I never argue about Garps position in the top, all I said is that ther'es no way he's at 80% power level compared to his prime, which was around when he had 60y, now he's 78.
Also, big mom is not 72, is 68, 10y less than Garp.
This aged horribly
So why is Rayleigh called the dark king at first hearing u would think he does all the dirty shit but I don't think that's what it is so what is it
I think magellan should be way higher. He had the future pirate king, warlords, revolutionaries, and more on the RUN!!! Without that antidote, blackbeard crew is dead and shilliew wouldve got smoked!
And blackbeards my #1! He and his crew got one shotted hah!
Who put shilliew in jail in the first place? Thats right.
It makes absolutely no sense to assume Boa has Advance COA but Rayleigh doesn't. He has shown the most versatility in Haki among the old guys.
Yea idk why they keep assuming that when it hasn’t been shown at all.
K.O.L was tripping for a moment 😂 all in all Fun Debate tho
Lmao the funniest thing about KoL talking about Scopper is you can smell the Sanji agenda hidden in it when he’s tryna make his points 😭😂
Rayleigh is one who stopped admiral
Boa cant stand against any admiral
Rocks = Roger >= Garp = Whitebeard > Blackbeard = Shanks = Dragon = Kaido >= Big Mom = Mihawk = Rayleigh >= Sengoku = Akainu >= Admiral = Yonko 1st & 2nd Commander
31:26 literally the same thing happened with Big Mom off screen but since she’s an emperor that’s where he draws the line with his agenda. It’s incredible to see how he flips
I don't think the fighting for days thing should be taken serious or used in power scaling decisions. Marco could handle both commanders at the same time and even worn out he still easily countered king. I think what drained marco was him healing the entire live floor it both drained his stamina and his ability to recover. Zoro and Sanji had to watch each other backs at the start of the fight they were already getting pushed, Sanji blocked Queen swinging at Zoro and Zoro blocked King swinging at Sanji. Its hard to put Marco over Rayleigh because of what Old and sick whitebeard was able to accomplish and we've seen Rayleigh stopping Marco with a finger so Marco should do better but I think these zoan first commanders would lose to haki-based or more balanced first mates like Katakuri and Rayleigh.
yeah, if that was important Luffy and Kaido should fight for like 5 to 10 days or something
marco was literally a child at the time
Length of a fight has something to do more on fighting style/ ability rather than overall strength. Aokiji vs Akainu took days simply because their df cancel each other. Same goes for Ace's fire vs Jinbei's water technique. Meanwhile two samurais who are both offensive minded would immediately go for the kill so their fight might end up quick.
First off Rayleigh stopping Marco is filler . Also katakuri durability is horrible it’s worse than luffy who got one shotted by Kaido and king has shown greater durability than Kaido . Marco was able to hold off king and queen cause he is a really skilled fighter but king wasn’t even injured .
@@mattc4266 So ur saying arguably one of kaido's strongest attack shouldn't have one shot Luffy ? Luffy directly took the attack hes a brawler and there was no way to counter, his devil fruit works on his haki and conqueror haki disables you and renders u unconscious Luffy couldnt defend with any haki at that point and his gear 4th unravel leaving his real body open to the full force of kaido's swing. If it was only a physical attack Luffy would have easily took the attack or even armament but Oda was showing the reader that there was something more special to conqueror coating at that point, it disables will power on contact unless u can block with ryo or coating or swords preventing the haki from hitting ur real body.
Oden also got one shotted by kaido and the guy was a beast in terms of durability. Katakuri's durability is horrible based on what? Fighting for 11 hours with armament + awakening and a lethal wound to his chest, the wound that Kat had was not only the deepest cut we;ve seen apart from akainu blasting a hole through Luffy but not even Zoro was able to get a cut that deep on Kaido or King, yet Kat was fighting without much problems.
Rayleigh stopping Marco is filler but it changes nothing, based on what whitebeard did being sick Rayleigh is at full health should still be more powerful than Marco , when Marco hasn't even shown anything to scale him to a yonko, Rayleigh has and therefore his decline should still scale him above Marco.
Marco holding off King and Queen is more to do with his devil fruit than Skill , Marco's fruit gives him alot of freedoms and he hard counters King, yes he did little damage to King but King wasn't able to do anything to Marco on every showing. Oda shows us Marco's dominance against King, and by inclusion of those pages hes trying to tell us Marco was superior even worn out easily countered King's flame which are the highest point of his attack power.
The list so far:
KOL
30. Queen
29. Lucky Roux
28. Weevil
27. Useless Mid
26. Law
25. Rayleigh
24. Boa Hancock
23. Garp
22. Yamato
21. Marco
20. King
BDA
30. Queen
29. Boa Hancock
28. Magellan
27. Doflamingo
26. Weevil
25. Sanji
24. Lucky Roux
23. Kidd
22. King
21. Marco
20. Law
19. Old Man Trio (Sengoku, Garp, Rayleigh)
18. Zoro
17. Katakuri
16. Yamato
Some wild takes here!
The Kat wank automatically makes their lists/powerscaling invalid. Makes me wonder who’s the best powerscaler on UA-cam
Putting 3 characters in 1 spot is such a cop out, just leave Queen and Hancock off the list
Absurd to have Kat and Yamato over Zoro. Completely ridiculous
@@calvinsimpson1301 yamato is understandable because she held her own against kaido and is a more experienced conqueror coater compared to zoro but having katakuri above zoro is definitely ridiculous
@@calvinsimpson1301 Yamato is understandable but katakuri above zoro is insane😂😂.
boa hancock between 25 to 10 ... right now 20 but if she has awakening and conqueror haki coating , she be in 10 .
The fact that luffy ran in the Katakuri fight after running out of Haki already proves his statement wasn't bs lol. He literally did it in the next big fight we saw
I put respect on Katakuri name cause Luffy dragged him into mirror world but Luffy ran away first from the mirror world 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@dariuswilliams7509 Me too and I'm a Luffytard 🤣..
You could also argue that Doffy was too exhausted which is why Luffy could break out of parasite
Theory Theory Theory
Knowing he was close to death, Roger
asked Shanks to sell him out to the
World Government so that Shanks
could gain the World Government's
trust.. This might explain why
Sengoku stopped the war when
Shanks arrived and why Shanks was
in a meeting with the 5 Elders.
Interesting
could explain why shanks cried after talking with roger, he doesn’t want the responsibility of having turn in his captain
Mf forget... Marco has an ability to DOUBLE STAMINA!!! PRETTY MUCH THE POKEMON MOVE TOXIC.
I know this is outdated now but i always felt like people sleep on Garp. Like we know he was on par with Rodger and sure he old now but so was Whitebeard and he was very sick which Garp isn't so imo. where ever u would put Whitebeard Garp should be at least as high as him.
Both were on par with Rodger so in their primes the should be equals and now one is heavily weakened while the other isn't. Don't know why people always give WB credit but never apply that to Garp.
You also have to consider the fact that just because a character uses an op attack, ( when we talk about kaido using thunder bagua on law and such ) they could possibly just not have used that attack at its full power or at as much power that theyd use against someone else. Either to coneerve energy or just that they felt it wasnt necessary. So law couldve just gotten a weaker bagua. comments your opinions
Kaido said he was annoyed with Laws powers so I doubt he held back
Law used his fruit who cares
“Law could’ve gotten a weaker bagua” the mental gymnastics here is crazy. 💀
Nah yall slow af
@@PathIsntReal 😂😂😂
lmaoo KOL pulling everything outta his ass 😂
And entire hour of nothing but kol powerscaling...now that's cinema
I don’t agree with dude’s Yamato placing at all. If she can do coating to clash with Kaido, she whipping any first commander. She up there with Sanji zoro and luffy. Like she can easily infuse conquers haki into her attacks. Who is stopping that other than another person who can also infuse conquers haki?
I don’t get people giving Emma all the credit it’s the only strong weapon zoro has plus devil fruits are carrying law and kid and without the genetics sanji is weak everybody needs something to buff em up
Zoro in my opinion clearly wins against katakuri and yamato.
He is better with weapons than yamato. and he is very strong when it come to penetration of defenses. giggity. high diff for sure but Zoro wins.
Against katakuri it's gonna be less straight forward but as we saw in the luffy fight katakuri's weakness to his future sight is getting countered with a fast attack.
Just like how Zoro cut fast mode King with an reactive strike. I believe Zoro is fast enough when it comes to reacting to Katakuri's future sight. and he can cut his mochi so if he gets caught with mochi he can cut the incoming mochi trying to smother him.
@@monkeyd.vinsmoke6088 people get hung up on the whole future sight thing when it comes to katakuri scaling, which i can kinda get. but yeah just like luffy over came Kata so would Zoro.
Facts
Yamato dogs Zolo, she is way better with adv conq has way better durability and speed keeping up with kaido 1on1 with minimal damage. No way you think Zoro could keep up with hybrid kaido 1on1.
Uhh heres the thing Rayleigh took Boa in n helped her get to Amazon Lily so he probably also is the one who taught her haki which is why she became the strongest so fast. So if Rayleigh taught Boa haki I’d say he still over her
KIng knew that zoro was being drained by enma
He even said "I have never seen a swordsman being beat by his own swords"
Is king more tanky than kaido on his invincible state?
@@estebanbr7596 Yes
@@estebanbr7596 I would say yes.
it's clearly said that cracker is stronger than doffy🤷🏾. And kizaru said himself that he can't beat Rayleigh so for you Boa is stronger than an amiral.Guys this scaling is a mess!!
Im sorry but ya bullsh*ting. Oda wrote garp would have murdered akainu. Wtf did oda write that in the first place and ya str8 saying akainu is stronger than gard in marine ford is str fing head cannon on ya part . wack
Marco stamina is impressive for what he was doing in Wano and even then he isn’t done. In a 1v1 with his regen defence and healing I can easily see him goin for days. Any 1st commander that’s not Zoro (a main character) doesn’t have a W against another top tier on screen so it’s not a good reason to downplay Marco for that
I mean marco is currently fighting big mom in the anime, I think that in itself is a W for him.
@@Sebastien1832 He did that in the Manga too ppl just overlook it and downplay him. They started talking in chapter 992 and we don’t cut back until 994. He K.O.ed her souls and matched her physical strength which is why she asked Peros for help and then ended the engagement saying she didn’t want to continue without her souls. Some say Zeus was out bc of Brook but Brook only did 1 attack and we don’t see Zeus again until the fight. Prome yeah DF advantage. But Nepo has 0 excuse and if he wasn’t out that still makes Marco look good bc then she has him instead of just herself and still ran away. Not saying I think Marco would have won I think it’s portrayed she’s above him but it’s an underrated feat of Marco’s Oda loves this dude lol
@@Sebastien1832 that's what i mean. marco is fighting big mom currently yet we all know he is not on par with her.... when those commanders fought the admirals at marineford everyone said ''ThEy ArE oN pAr''. ...... fighting against someone for a short time doesn't mean they are on par!!.....
@@KurokamiNajimi It’s actually 992-995. They both leave unscathed not goin all out, from what happened I feel like Oda tried to show that Big Mom is clearly stronger obviously but Marco can hold his own and give her a tough time respectably, if they actually fought for real.
@@handsmcgee8331 Yes
So if Hyogoro was surprised when he saw luffy take the hand cuffs off and stated that is more advance that what he thought luffy and luffy learned that trick from Rayleigh would it not make you think maybe Rayleigh advance armament is greater than what we know you cant really list charcters off without some actually way of scaling you guys go off who you like and dislike madness
They should've made it so that kid can control the iron in your blood. Like a blood bending or sorts. It's OP but oda could make it so that he has to touch you physically a number of times for it to happen. And after he touches you the first time, the opponent starts to notice what's happening and tries to counter it. Something like that
Metallica from JoJo has that ability and almost beat the main villain with it
comming back to this video, kol was correct, by the time zoro will master enma, luffy will have gear 5 and awakeing
Tanjihado the fraud 27? that's like starting the video saying i have 0 credibility, my god what a fanboy.
“Impel down boost.” The audacity to give this man a Zenkai for being chained up lmao so I’ll have to honestly say the same too. Someone like Doffy can honestly plan up better ways to use his Devil Fruit. In a much more destructive way then before.
Well Aizen got a massive power up just from being bound to a chair. It's a shonen, a power creep is nothing new.
everyone gets stronger in prison lmao
@@troillandford7679That’s the Impel Down boost for you lol
Something im starting to put together:
A second and third commander will have atleast 1 mastered ability/fighting style and atleast 1 form of basic haki. I want to say a second commander will have atleast 2 forms of basic haki but not enough information to say
A first commander will have atleast 1 mastered ability/fighting style, 2 basic forms of haki and 1 advanced/broken ability, ie something you cant combat via brawling. Katakuri = future sight ( dodges everything ) marco = phoenix flame ( heals all damage ) Shriyu = Clear Clear fruit ( cant see him ) king = lunarian ( cant hurt him )
Not too sure about this one but it seems like Zoro = kings coating ( Cant block him )
This argument is so convincing to me that I believe that if you haven’t cracked the code, then you’re on the right track. Of course, I could be wrong, but it is what I believe (for now, at least).
This is dead accurate and as for zoro I think he should be in the top 15 because someone just dawned on me. Zoro pre CoC made Kaido dodge, tanked a combo yonko attack and scarred Kaido. Imagine if Zoro with Advanced CoC + a full powered Asura attacked someone.
@@hiphophead4891 I agree. Yet, some people still want to downplay Zoro in the same vein that people want to downplay Sanji and it is, for some reason, always shocking to hear or read.
@@zakariaorzak thanks for the feedback, I think this was kinda obvious in hindsight, glad I typed it out.
@@hiphophead4891 on my list I think zoro is 17 or something, pretty close to 15 based on the criteria (he got edged out by sabo and greenbull)