Hmm, interesting discussion. I have a quibble, though, re 6:17: Growth is _inherently and absolutely_ (because it's a mathematical reality) unsustainable. We definitely need to stop with the growth, one way or another. And will, whether we attempt to or not, because it's a natural law that things can't grow forever in a finite environment. So, "maybe no ultimate need... to set aside growth" is delusional. For more, see the lecture on growth from the late Prof. Al Bartlet of Colorado. Required knowledge in there, whether you get it from Al or otherwise.
P.S. re 8:33 - the thing with this is: yes, degrowth will be painful in some ways. But wouldn't it be less painful to take it on with intention, than to hit the brick wall of catastrophic collapse? And, while I can't say _how_ that will happen, I think it's pretty safe to say that it _will_ happen if we don't take action to avoid it, by engaging in de-growth intentionally. Because of the aforementioned mathematical realities.
We need to grow our way out of climate change otherwise the old technologies will persist. It's the marginal increases on green spending that will fund the tech. changes which are growth dependent.
I blame the people of Doggerland
Hmm, interesting discussion. I have a quibble, though, re 6:17:
Growth is _inherently and absolutely_ (because it's a mathematical reality) unsustainable. We definitely need to stop with the growth, one way or another. And will, whether we attempt to or not, because it's a natural law that things can't grow forever in a finite environment. So, "maybe no ultimate need... to set aside growth" is delusional. For more, see the lecture on growth from the late Prof. Al Bartlet of Colorado. Required knowledge in there, whether you get it from Al or otherwise.
P.S. re 8:33 - the thing with this is: yes, degrowth will be painful in some ways. But wouldn't it be less painful to take it on with intention, than to hit the brick wall of catastrophic collapse? And, while I can't say _how_ that will happen, I think it's pretty safe to say that it _will_ happen if we don't take action to avoid it, by engaging in de-growth intentionally. Because of the aforementioned mathematical realities.
We need to grow our way out of climate change otherwise the old technologies will persist. It's the marginal increases on green spending that will fund the tech. changes which are growth dependent.
Those shelves are incredible
This is so last decade, what an embarrassment
THERE IS NO CLIMATE CRISIS...
Evidence: trust me bro.
Wot ever
True, climate not in crisis. Biosphere changing its habits. That's all. We, unable to adapt ? Die out. FiN