One thing they missed was side and front pics of the rider's position on the bike. The change in air resistance could be a large portion of the time difference. Also the wind direction. They should have done a minimum of five runs per bike.
Do an Enduro comparo with control tyres and include the donut, please. Then we all know if its the future or whether slack has peaked now. I think that is what a lot of viewers want to know. You're welcome. Greetings from England, Andy B
MORE GRIM DONUT PLEASE! We need an adventure series on it as if it were a character such as a black swan, trying to find out where it belongs or what its breed is. We need him to go through different riders, different spots and different challenges to help him find out what the hell he is and what family of bikes he came from / belongs to. Every episode giving it a clue and idea where or how next to pursue its quest for self-understanding.
Im in love with that Spur.. I never came across any specific frame/bike before, that I would immediatelly tell that I love it and I need it, but boy are they pricey :D
Watching this after watching the summary I was surprised at how well the Spur did considering you were saying it wasn't really a climbing bike. I think this shows it was right there in the pack - but perhaps it's not the climbing bike for tight twisty terrain...
The carbon fiber hardtail (Procaliber) got 2:43, right in the big peloton so to speak. I don't get it, how could the full sus Canyon Lux be 11 seconds faster than a hardtail on gravel. And the Epic S-Works 5 was seconds faster than the hardtail. Would have been nice to list the weight of each bike in the results, but the hardtail must be right down there?
I’m suspicious too, then I looked closer at the things that have the biggest effect on flat out speed... and the Procaliber is on Maxxis tyres (looks like an Ardent but I can’t tell) Everything else is on new Schwalbe. The Procaliber is a heavy HT frame and it looks like it has a dropper and even gripshift (?) In a fair test, a $10k xc HT puts 10 seconds into all these bikes no doubt. I actually thought the Field test was a bit unfair since the Epic was a 2021 bike with AXS and the Supercaliber was a 2020 with the old Sids and regular XX1. Love the @pinkbike content, love Mike and Sarah, I just think the results are a bit flawed.
HEY! What happened to the control tyres? The Procaliber is clearly on Maxxis (Ardent front?) and everything else runs on latest Schwalbe. On equal rubber a 3 year old Trek HT beats the $10k 2021 bikes on the efficiency test Tell me I’m I wrong?
Do you have any explanation where the differences came from? Especially compared to the Hardtail? Very interesting result anyway as you didn’t liked the canyon on the trail.
The Trek Procaliber HT they used is not a super lightweight bike, a few bikes in this test are probably lighter which may explain the the climbing times?
If you really want to test efficiency, build up a wheel with a PowerTap hub and compare the delta between power at the cranks vs power at the hub for each of the bikes.
Say, isnt that background music The "Levy furiously peddling his tiny Canyadian a** off, like a methed up hamster on a carbon fiber training wheel" non-copyrighted mix ?
Where’s the pivot Mach 4 sl? It’s know for it’s efficient pedaling platform. Seems like all these big name bike outlets like to leave pivot out of the mix
Does each test bike have its own power meter or do you use the same power meter on all the bikes? I can't wait for power meter pedals to become mainstream so I can use the same power meter on all my bikes.
The Lux looks like the perfect bike for people who like to tour, ride long distance and classic XC. Its the most efficient and so much cheaper than a lot of the other bikes.
I work in a test lab. Get at least 20 more people to do the same thing and give them a random order of the bikes and *maybe* we can start to see a trend.
And all using the same tires. Very likely that a significant portion of the speed difference was rolling drag. Wind conditions are also another significant variable which should have multiple attempts per rider.
@@grooveseeker6269 True, they don't mention it here. They mentioned it in test/review videos and also in the impossible climb video. Just check the shots when the bikes are laying on the ground, and check when Mike stops at the end of the climb. Racing Ralphs on everything (other than the donut and the hardtail).
Probably assumed it was the slowest since it was the heaviest besides the grim donut. But you're right.. They need to set the record straight, a second is a second!
I know it's not a lab, but you could also show the average power, the nominal power figure says absolutely nothing to be honest. PS pls, pls do this test again with the Grim Donut and other enduro bikes.
Next video: “9 XC bikes (and the Grim Donut) hucked to flat in slomo”
You’re on to something!
I hope the head angle on the Donut doesn't make the frame snap 😬
@@pinkbike thanks for bringing grimmy back I've been waiting for grimmy donutty for ages
Pinkbike then Grim Donut Review...😈
CAN'T WAIT!
When can I buy the Grim Donut? Clearly, it is in a league of its own.
Grim Donut!
They're teasing us
Dim grommet
Dang! I was like "so basically it makes no difference" then BAM the Canyon just destroys everything. Nice.
"This is not a lab" but it's still the most fair comparative test I've ever seen.
One thing they missed was side and front pics of the rider's position on the bike. The change in air resistance could be a large portion of the time difference. Also the wind direction. They should have done a minimum of five runs per bike.
Great stuff Mike. I'm impressed with your consistent output, nice work!
The legend
Now we're having Grim Donut feature in every video to the point we'll say "No more Grim Donut!"
They did the donut once and there doing it again at the time 3:10
thank you brother
Thank you my good sir
I was looking for one of these comments
You deserve a nobel prize for the work you do
I wonder if PB knew when they started with the Grim Donut that it would become an instant motivator for their entire audience
Xc is fun in a different way . I love it :)
This entire xc test series has been amazing! Thank you guys for all your effort👌
This is the best review’s on XC mountain bikes, not biased like other reviewers!
Would've been nice to know how the Pivot Mach 4SL w/ DW Link would've done on this given that it's known for it's efficiency/climbing
Who else just clicked on this video just because of “grim donut”
Yes! More Grim Donut content
Where is the WORLD CUP Scott Spark RC
Yea ive been debating between a lux and a spark rc but nobody tests the spark rc
that's exactly what i was searching for: I always wondered how much time we could gain or lose depending on the bike.
Do an Enduro comparo with control tyres and include the donut, please. Then we all know if its the future or whether slack has peaked now. I think that is what a lot of viewers want to know. You're welcome. Greetings from England, Andy B
MORE GRIM DONUT PLEASE! We need an adventure series on it as if it were a character such as a black swan, trying to find out where it belongs or what its breed is. We need him to go through different riders, different spots and different challenges to help him find out what the hell he is and what family of bikes he came from / belongs to. Every episode giving it a clue and idea where or how next to pursue its quest for self-understanding.
using the grim donut with a chamois is offensive
You mean.... Chamois?
@@RealMTBAddict 🤣🤣
Hahaha
you know the Chamois Hagar gravel bike from Evil? it looks sick
Im in love with that Spur.. I never came across any specific frame/bike before, that I would immediatelly tell that I love it and I need it, but boy are they pricey :D
I love pink bikes music. The bikes are nice too.
GRIM DONUT!!!
I saw the grim doughnut, you said something about some other bikes too.
Of course if not using same tyres the difference in RR between different models will be the biggest factor to time
That and weight of the bikes
Yeessss Grim Donut is back!!!
No scott??
Watching this after watching the summary I was surprised at how well the Spur did considering you were saying it wasn't really a climbing bike. I think this shows it was right there in the pack - but perhaps it's not the climbing bike for tight twisty terrain...
The carbon fiber hardtail (Procaliber) got 2:43, right in the big peloton so to speak.
I don't get it, how could the full sus Canyon Lux be 11 seconds faster than a hardtail on gravel. And the Epic S-Works 5 was seconds faster than the hardtail.
Would have been nice to list the weight of each bike in the results, but the hardtail must be right down there?
The weights are listed in their field test video.
jaselikesbikes But the Procaliber is not in the field test video.
I’m suspicious too, then I looked closer at the things that have the biggest effect on flat out speed... and the Procaliber is on Maxxis tyres (looks like an Ardent but I can’t tell)
Everything else is on new Schwalbe.
The Procaliber is a heavy HT frame and it looks like it has a dropper and even gripshift (?)
In a fair test, a $10k xc HT puts 10 seconds into all these bikes no doubt.
I actually thought the Field test was a bit unfair since the Epic was a 2021 bike with AXS and the Supercaliber was a 2020 with the old Sids and regular XX1.
Love the @pinkbike content, love Mike and Sarah, I just think the results are a bit flawed.
HEY! What happened to the control tyres?
The Procaliber is clearly on Maxxis (Ardent front?) and everything else runs on latest Schwalbe.
On equal rubber a 3 year old Trek HT beats the $10k 2021 bikes on the efficiency test
Tell me I’m I wrong?
Actually a great study! Need to normalize times by weight of bikes.
0:37 so the grim donut is a xc bike
Great co tent! Thank you for the efforts.
Is this the same section of hill you did the trail/enduro bike test on?
I freaking love Pinkbike!
You guys mixed up the yeti and the revel on the list compared to the post test check
You should try with others xc bikes, like Rocky mountail element, intense ecc..
Do you have any explanation where the differences came from? Especially compared to the Hardtail?
Very interesting result anyway as you didn’t liked the canyon on the trail.
The Trek Procaliber HT they used is not a super lightweight bike, a few bikes in this test are probably lighter which may explain the the climbing times?
Wait, you got those SRM power pedals? Thought they weren't yet available...
Wow awesome video great job 👍😎🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩👍🤩🤩
Grim Döner is a whole other thing
Add the scott spark
Pinkbike: Grim Donut
Me: *instant click*
If you really want to test efficiency, build up a wheel with a PowerTap hub and compare the delta between power at the cranks vs power at the hub for each of the bikes.
Scott H nice idea!
Exactly, flexy frames/antisquat really skew the numbers
How much do tires come into play here? The SB115 has minions. That Epic has road tires.
GrimlockDinobot it seems they used the same tires (racing ray/racing ralph) except for hardtail
I wish you had links for all the bikes
Say, isnt that background music The "Levy furiously peddling his tiny Canyadian a** off, like a methed up hamster on a carbon fiber training wheel" non-copyrighted mix ?
Stumpy 2020 review PLEASE!!
I don't get where have all those watts gone with Donut, wind or gravity?
Which shoe is he rocking?
So if you want a fs gravel bike, get the Lux.
Where’s the pivot Mach 4 sl? It’s know for it’s efficient pedaling platform. Seems like all these big name bike outlets like to leave pivot out of the mix
Xc is really hard but this makes it look fun
plz make more of these types of random videos!!!
Does each test bike have its own power meter or do you use the same power meter on all the bikes? I can't wait for power meter pedals to become mainstream so I can use the same power meter on all my bikes.
He said "SRM power meter pedals" - so, same meter on all bikes
Yep, same pedals!
@@pinkbike @UA-cam Account Thanks, guys. I must have missed that part. I will need to save my pennies and invest in some power pedals.
How much suspension sag was on the Canyon Lux?
That donut is so cool
I want to see the grim donut with a dual crown DH fork, and seriously just hit stuff. WIth that angle, it's a bumper.
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Finally some more donut
There was some yesterday
Grim donut! first too
Let’s be honest, we all wanted the grim donut to win, but we didn’t expect him to
2 specialized, 2 cannondale, 2 trek, a Revel? and ZERO Santa Cruz. Would have been cool to see a Santa Cruz Blur.
i want more of grim donut
Hi love your vids
hard tail so slow on a flat climb? what's happening I'm confused
Rear wheel was bouncing on little bumps i guess
Dunno Watsgoinon it’s a fireroad, pretty flat
Mountain Bike Addict if rider produces the same watts, what’s the difference?
Grim donut pog
Did they all have the same tire on????
Finally a video without talking about seat post angles and chain stay lengths. 👍👍👍
this is what i need!!!!
The Lux looks like the perfect bike for people who like to tour, ride long distance and classic XC.
Its the most efficient and so much cheaper than a lot of the other bikes.
It's also probably the oldest model in this roundup so buying used to save $$$ is an option.
@@youtubeaccount9058 So what? The age of the bike doesnt matter as long as it fits you.
@@obi-wankenobi9871 So what? So you can save money by getting one used if you want, like I said. It's an advantage.
Was 400w a bit too spicy to try 9 times Mike?
Rumour has it that in santa cruz atm all roads are fireroads
do it with locked out suspension would be nice
The climb should be 20minutes...
for a real comparision ...
Why you bleep out 300 watts?
How is it possible the fs Lux is so much faster than the hardtail? Must be the wind or rider position.
Why are there (slower) Maxxis tires on the supercaliper? Also, the E*13 tires clearly put the nail in your donuts coffin.
the grim donuts fork looks like its gonna snap
It looks like its gonna shear off the frame on a jump
I work in a test lab. Get at least 20 more people to do the same thing and give them a random order of the bikes and *maybe* we can start to see a trend.
And all using the same tires. Very likely that a significant portion of the speed difference was rolling drag. Wind conditions are also another significant variable which should have multiple attempts per rider.
The Canyon must include an Energy Return System (ERS).
The canyon lux is my dream bike but i can't afford it
I wonder if there will be a grim donut video
I’m just gonna go ahead and say it, Levy looks pretty damn good in Lycra
Nice
I think the differences between the bikes may be because of tyres intead of suspension
They used the same tyres on all the bikes... 😅 Okay except the grim donut.
@@HollyBoni they don't say so. Same sag, same pressure, not same tyres
@@grooveseeker6269 True, they don't mention it here. They mentioned it in test/review videos and also in the impossible climb video.
Just check the shots when the bikes are laying on the ground, and check when Mike stops at the end of the climb. Racing Ralphs on everything (other than the donut and the hardtail).
how to get people to watch xc field test? include grim donut in the title haha
You got absoloutly polinated by that truck
I'm here for the grim donut
came for the donut.. stayed for the spandex
Wait - revel was 2:51 and yeti was 2:50 but for the final stats it is reversed showing yeti as 2:51
Probably assumed it was the slowest since it was the heaviest besides the grim donut. But you're right.. They need to set the record straight, a second is a second!
Shorter cranks on the Grim should've bobbed less than longer cranks, too...
I know it's not a lab, but you could also show the average power, the nominal power figure says absolutely nothing to be honest.
PS pls, pls do this test again with the Grim Donut and other enduro bikes.
When the grim donut is beating bikes that have been engineered to be the best in their class
The grim donut lost horribly
I'm here for the Grim Donut
The grim!
HUCK TO FLAT!
Tomorrow...
Pinkbike who is going to be brave enough to do it on the donut?
you’re here for 3:10
indeed we are
yes
The hero we need
FYI - NP stands for Normalized Power not Nominal Power...
2:17 NOMINAL power is not a thing. But NORMALIZED power certainly is. Sorry, I'll eat another grim donut now.