Harassment - Why Gaming Struggles to Escape Toxicity - Extra Credits
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2012
- Why is there so much bullying, misogyny, and hate speech associated with the gaming community? There are a variety of possible solutions to overcome needless toxicity in online gaming communication tools, but they have their own pros and cons too.
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And that is the reason why Splatoon does not have online voice chat.
Zachary Lewis ikr
Nintendo really likes being child friendly, It works as a successful strategy
I think I got insulted for being a girl one time in sea of thieves, followed by the rest of the crew all collectively saying not cool and shutting him up. I feel bad for the fact that people go through so many more insults than that, but also hopeful that a lot of people will stand up if they actively hear that shit going on.
Oh that reminds me of a funny story of this women in her 30s joined our crew and became very demanding so we locked her in the bring and scuttled the ship fun times
Big oof
People being Toxic is why I keep silent in multiplayer games.
amen
It's a bit complex to rely on the written chat in cs:go, but ffs I would rather get killed when reading an advise than getting killd while listening to toxic people.
sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Kodah Smith I just report them if they are in base and have the glowing briefcase
Kodah Smith same
Step 1 to playing a online shooter mute everyone.
or use the party system when playing with friends?
you900001 I mean with random match making.
Or you can just not play online **Looks at the CoD single player campaign post MW2** OH WAIT!
I just leave if there is someone throwing really crazy shit over voice in TF2. or I take of my headset
Herman Cillo Yeah, you can see that I'm not an FPS nut... profile picture aside.
Now it is 6 years after this video is out, and we are still struggling with the very same issue
Truly, the despicable side of human nature is a hard beast to contain
Hey Mercury (sorry my english, I'm brazilian!), i fully understand your disappointment with the gaming community, developers, but as was repeated in the video, this does not represent us. We have our dark side, but we can overcome this. (I'm not disagreeing with you, just sharing my optimism). Peace!
True, but at least now there are genuine attempts to stop it or mitigate it.
The best part of any day of gaming is the rage-filled hate mail from those you bested.
It is empowering
zeke1220 Sadly, not everyone can appreciate rage mail as just childish messages by ticked adults. They take it more seriously, and it really hurts them. When I see someone ridiculing a rager that sent them a message, I laugh. Everyone should be able to do that.
I personally dislike and try to handle it as best I can by just saying gg and sorry you believe that I hack. It just disappoints me sometimes.
Eight years later and this episode is still relevant now more than ever.
Joseph Ocasio Eeeexactly
Yup
Hello, recent humans!
What brought you here?
Firebal612 The Dark Side Of Gaming
Ya my god it’s annoying to log on a Minecraft server and see so many sexist racist homophobic and so many other types of slurs
Overwatch team: "JOIN VOICE CHAT!"
*joins*
Overwatch team: "YOU SUCK!"
*leaves*
Exactly this
Why is this funny tho lol.
Couldnt Auto muting potentially be another way of bullying? What if people purposely mute one person so that they get Auto-muted for no reason? We've seen it happen here on UA-cam, were videos get flagged for copyright or spam for no reason, and they get away with it.
Natboy129 It happened with JWitz. one of his vids got flagged and took down.
I feel like there should be an investigation by the service to see whether the person getting flagged or auto-muted deserves it.
Peter Cahill But thats the only way something like this couldnt be abused. Its a potentially good idea, but it really has a lot of flaws that are difficult to take care of.
+Natboy129 It can still work, but yeah it does need some experimenting.
+Natboy129 What if it was more a reporting system rather than a mute system? if someone gets a substantial amount of reports then someone checks out their messages and how often they are muted, then determine if that person should be auto muted?
The auto-mute system would be a disaster.
People would constantly troll by muting each other to purposefully make nice players auto-muted.
It would take a lot of muting to be put into the top 10% without cause.
*****
The top ten percent of the entire community playing a game is a very small group of a large group of people. Now if there is someone who deserves to be muted, then they're going to be muted; and quite frequently too. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually has the ability or desire (as this would be a huge task with not a lot of pay-off) to organize others into muting someone who doesn't deserve it just as much or more frequently than someone who does?
Now I don't know what experiences you've had with moderators in the past. But if you're really the kind of person that would call someone else a two-year old for having a dissenting opinion and treat a fellow gaming community in a similar way, then I would ban you as well.
+Jim Profit *Muffled Linkin Park starts playing in the background*
+bjh2o You will be surprised what people are capible of even if it seems a huge effort to you.
Ive played dota, the muting system there led to people being just less talkative out of fear, and whats more you assume this will be moderated, when in truth it has to automated by a machine with large numbers.
And no, some shit talking amoung adults is enjoyed, some enjoy it, some don't.
+Jim Profit what the fuck dude? really? she (or he) tries to be plight and you turn all troll, uncalled for man. I know you are probably doing it for a laugh but really?
Don't be such an ass if you don't agree with what one person says.
The problem with anything community regulated is that trolls can team up to attack an innocent person, for example by massively muting them to get them auto-muted.
L4Vo5 maybe have it so auto muted people can't do that and have customer service hotline
plus auto saving your messages and chat stuff prior to being muted that the customer service person can see what you said and can render judgment
Next thing you know, your staff immediately quits because of the insanely massive and fast growing workload.
As a gamer from the "Arcade days" it doesn't shock me in the least to know that anonymity has made harassment in gaming more prevalent than before. I would love to have seen and heard any of the things said to me in an online match said directly to my face.
That would never happen though, because the people who hide behind anonymity are complete and utter cowards.
gingergamergirl98 - gingergamergirl98
tehcaptainhair You have the word "teh" in your username like something straight out of 2006. You have no room to bitch about other people's usernames.
tehcaptainhair
Was your point that she was using a username instead of her name, therefore being "Anonymous"? Because that's just willful ignorance if you think having a username is the same as hiding behind one to harass people.
Jim Zucco Yeeaaah I don't really get that, myself. I mean, I highly doubt his real name is "Captain Hair".
Just watching this in 2019 and I would love to hear about what you guys from Extra Credits think about this current topic now compared to what you did in 2012 and how you think that its changed if it has at all.
It's not pretty now
Sadly, its not just games where this is happening. This happens everywhere on the world wide web when everyone can talk.
It's because there are no consequences to the bad behaviour, online, like in real life. People are free to be assholes and not be accountable for their actions.
I am 17, and in all of my years of playing video games, I have never done any of this horrible shite because I know that what I do can harm others.
Then you are a wonderful breath of fresh air and it's great that you're here, making the community better to whatever degree possible. Thank you! :)
Attention pls.
amen
"Boys will be boys" bullshit, I WAS a huge pretentious asshole when I was younger and even *then* I wouldn't have harassed someone like that. Hell, I came close to incel territory and I still managed to veer clear of that just by asking myself if I might be the problem. After that I started working to be a better person. There is a line, and crossing that line is always - *always* - a choice on the part of the person crossing it.
I totally agree. I'm arrogant as all get out and about as pretentious as they come, and even I am smart enough to realise that harassing people is right out. Boys will be boys is just banal problem dodging
I could imagine a guild/clan that are proud of their 0 rep stats
... and probably being banned for that.
It actually reminds me of a fate of a certain "guild" that formed at the popular artist community deviantART, after they've created groups. The group began harassing others (went to the point that they banded against chosen individuals and harassed them even in real life) and got itself a reputation so bad, that they were eventually disbanded and the most offensive individuals and leaders were banned. I can imagine this working within gaming communities.
hmmm, I guess it even happens on DA. But anytime we put any sort of scoring system some people will be out there just to get the lowest score.
PotaTOES It's a sad reality, but it's not like we can't do anything about it :)
This is why Splatoon doesn't have voice chat. We don't need stuff like this in a E10+ rated game.
And, there would be Japanese voice chatters.
+Jacob Salty
A:Ohayo.
B:JAPJAPJAPJAPJAP!
Shouting like children? that's offensive to children
Wise Sage Bum/ Becoming Molehill There's a reason children are associated with the word "immature"
and then it comes as a surprise when you meet adults with those same qualities.
Why is it that we always hear that term with middle aged people? And not children? HMMMMMMMMMM. DEFINITELY CHILDREN WHO ARE HARASSING PEOPLE AND DECIDING PEOPLE'S HUMAN RIGHTS.
Some of us actually have brains, though. (I am a child.)
i especially hate it when they call someone who's acting like a 7 year old a 12 year old
we're not that friggin' dumb, no one in my entire middle school is that dumb
Dota 2 already has a system like this. Yell enough or say enough insulting things and you start the game unable to use voice chat. This will last for so many games before you can talk again or type depending on what you did wrong. The funny part is when you attempt to and the game says "No one can hear you". Forever alone LOL
That is a form of needed punishment. Much better than the VAC system BTW.
Cod Community in a nutshell
yeah
and csgo community.
and i like csgo
4chan....
LOL community in a nutshell, that is a toxic one
Just wondering did anyone implement these things into it? This video was made in 2012.
This type of behaviour is why I never even bothered buying a headset and I just leave chat on mute.
Man, this is so important. I’ve stopped playing a lot of online games due to really toxic communities and online harassment. Yeah, you can ignore it, but I play games to relax, and even ignoring rude players isn’t relaxing.
There are good communities out there though, I’ve found a handful online games I keep up with where I rarely meet this sort of player.
Shame that it sort of self-perpetuates itself by pushing people out when they've had the toxic garbage dumped their way. Took a loooong break from being on mic playing CoD alone: was asked if I would let a guy lick mayo off my toe within five sessions. Not nearly as bad as the harassment other people get, but was a lame, fast-acting reminder for why I avoided letting myself be heard for so long, and feel like I have "something to prove" to simply exist in the gaming space.
In order to prevent people from finding out their Auto-Muted, just simply don't tell them their automuted. They would still shout like the man-children they are, but they would never create a new account because they simply won't fucking know.
My cousin just showed me this. Thank you so much for covering this, we all need to voice that this kind of behavior is not okay, and I think you made a lot of good points and put forth some elegant solutions. Subbed!
Amelia Bee If any of the solutions given here didn't specifically call for some very frightening results I would be okay with it, but this isn't helping others, it's simple censoring. This could be used by someone not liking another player because they give commands that they don't like, only to shut them down by getting them muted for good. What if someone decided to shout a command? What if someone decided to yell a piece of advice? Sudden muting. This is a place we DON'T want to step into, not because trolls need to be allowed to troll, but because non-trolls will more than likely feel much more of a sting from this in the end.
J Woldridge unless the commands are a fundamental part of the game, they would just be advices/requests. And it would take more than a single dislike to trigger this situation (10% above average, is quite a lot AND was only a guideline)
as for the censoring/'muted for good' argument: no it would not "just START them automuted, not stopping anyone from unmuting them"
As for the 'sudden muting' point. I see how that would be a problem in certain fast-paced team-games and something the individual systems should consider if they decide to deviate from the advised 'on game start only'-implementation.
A 'never automute'- option (to be clear: your choice to start with everyone unmuted, not your choice to have no-one automute you) could be a decent (finetune) option
As for 'it will hurt the non-trolls more than the trolls': i'm really not seeing that one.
For that to be true someone needs to fail miserably with the fine-tuning(usually easily fixed), or the service in question(or rather a majority of its audience) actually has 'trolling' as 'desirable behavior'
In the latter case (spotted as 'did happen once'in a comment below) that has indeed become a place where the choices are 'accept it or leave', the kind of place i'm perfectly fine with seeing fall into abandonment.(or rather,'not even bother watching')
Michael Berg censorship
+Jones Smith Okay...you have a point to go along with that one word, or...? I mean, there's a pretty big difference between censorship and preventing harassment. If you honestly feel that it's just unnecessary censorship, then I don't know what to tell ya.
+Jones Smith what is censorship in this case?
- another party in the same chat system stating 'we have reasons to believe you might not want to listen to this person. if you do CHOOSE to listen, GO AHEAD but don't say we didn't warn you' (with a side-dish of 'it IS actually possible to have those 'reasons' be truely objective'
- the very existence of a mute function
- my suggestion to add the 'i choose to ignore all warnings and want to hear everyone'-option
- Something else? (tbh i would be surprised if this 'something' wouldn't just be a reworded point1)
A large part of the problem is people defending them when they do get in trouble. It's just trolling, it was just harmless fun, ect.
L. Wolf I see that a lot, yeah. But what's even worse, at least to me, is the inaction of the people who DO disagree with them. It makes me feel like the majority of people just hate women, or hate feminists, or think that this kind of bullshit is okay, because there's no one else who sees it happen to me and says to them "hey dude, that's fucked up, cut it out", you know? I mean I know that's not the case, obviously, but when no one speaks up, that's kinda what it feels like. you know?
Amelia Bee
Mhm, I got muted on a minecraft server when I asked someone to stop making jokes about rape. Couldn't do much since the one making the jokes was a part of the staff.
Though, I was referring to a video I watched a while back about people who got arrested for making online threats, ask jokes, but ended up in legal trouble. The comment section was full of people defending the people who got arrested. Even the guy who threaten to commit a school shooting or the girl who tweeted America Airlines that she was going to bomb a plane.
+Amelia Bee remember that internet forums and comments are not an accurate representation of what people in real life are like. :)
The feminazis are annoying though. They complain about everything. Normal feminists are fine though.
stormsasuke
That is true, and while myself I don't care either way about that kind of joke. I do know the person making them was getting on a lot of peoples nerves. Was less about the joke itself and just him being annoying.
I feel like this topic needs to be revisited in light of recent gaming league developments.
A'Yana Williams, and recent Presidential elections...
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I have an idea for how to stop abusive written comments. Make a database which contains every word in the english dictionary, minus words you don't want people to say (racial slurs, cuss words and the like). Now make it that you aren't allowed to send a comment if it has a word that isn't recognised by the database.
Not only would this cut down on harassment, but it would also force people to use correct spelling as well. Win win.
A lot of systems already have these in place. I think Mortal Kombat published the list of words that you weren't able to say if you want to try googling it. But these lists can't include every word and they're usually easily tricked. Animal Crossing had an animal go from one persons town to the other saying ñigga which caused a small controversy for Nintendo. Even if you could account for every word, some players would prefer the freedom to say 'this is shit' to 'this is bad' and wouldn't want to infringe upon their freedoms for the sake of trolls. When someone creates a system that can detect if the message is specifically a personal attack, then I don't think players would mind but no one seems to be creating such a thing (not that I checked).
That's why my system wasn't a list of word you weren't allowed to say, but instead was a list of words that you WERE allowed to say. Even if you spelled a word differently it wouldn't matter because if it's not on the list you still can't say it.
As far as affecting no abusive players go, it's the same as what Extra Credits said about point 2; it might suck, but it also may be necessary.
Oh sorry, read it wrong. But asking everyone to write with perfect spelling also seems kind of harsh.
Either way, it doesn't work. I can still call you a worthless smelly brown exit-only area, and since the words are perfectly fine to use in their own context, it's going to be easy for me to call you a worthless, stinking a-hole. Not to mention that there is no dictionary in the world that can keep up with the evolution of the English language, much less all the different localized variants, and expressions. Language is a living thing, it changes.
What about downvotes?
They're recording my likes already, by the time I wrote this, I totaled 346 likes, just hypothetically, what if downvotes had a negative effect?
That totaling set amount of dislikes within set amounts of time can cause a negative effect?
For example: I get 300 downvotes within a week... I get a penalty for that, maybe a warning saying "You've received a large amounts of dislikes within a short amount of time," maybe verbal warning's at first, if they said amount of dislikes continues, then they get actual warnings?
Just a suggestion...
Holy crap. I just went and watched the Cross Assault video for the first time. I...that was disgusting. So many people were blaming her or defending him in the comments too. I do not understand how people can possibly be that stupid.
Now this is the content I want to see on my youtube feed!
Kaleb H Yeah
Damn right, a simple Halo match I once played where one player decided to have a negative opinion on my name, turned into the entire lobby calling me a faggot relentlessly within 5 minutes, because of the bandwagon effect., I'm a 27 year old man and this shit isn't ok.
These videos are the perfect example of UA-cam's troll update and its effect on comments sections.
In each video the vast majority of viewers, to oversimplify, 'agree with the message'. In each video there is someone from the minority of those who 'strongly disagree with the message' expressing this in a (often confrontational) comment. In each comment you see many, often upwards of 100, replies--the vast majority of these disagreeing with the user. Because the comment receives so many responses, it is promoted to the highest possible spot because it is deemed 'most popular'. To compound this, UA-cam has disconnected the dislike button (yes it still lights up but that is literally all it does) meaning that only those who approve the comment can affect its popularity rating. UA-cam gives the loudest megaphone to those with the most dislikeable things to say.
What is worse than having to see the most widely disliked comments as top comments (no longer with the option to default to new comments either) is the false impression consistently given which is that these top comments are the most representative of the content viewers when in fact they are the direct opposite. It is horrible.
If this is just a spectacular failure with good intentions then why, after over a year, has it not been even slightly ammended?
I've been doing a marathon of all of the EC videos over the last few days, and for whatever reason I've been poking through the comments to see what I can find. Even though all of the videos have about a 90% green rating bar or higher, if you read the comments you'd think EC is the most universally hated thing since Rebecca Black. "____ sucks and you should go bury yourself!" "Dan/James/someone who isn't actually in EC but got referenced in the video is trying to brainwash us with false information on ____ (these are usually disproved by at least ten separate people in the replies)!" "How dare you try to present ____ from a different point of view!" It's gone _beyond_ cringeworthy.
I don't know if UA-cam's updated the system since you wrote the message, but it sure as hell has a long way to go.
Blizzard did something to that effect for WoW. A player who has been reported for language or abusive behavior is "silenced" meaning they lose their access to in-game chat. It's not much but it's a start.
i mean why do you need more?
xbox did
KingsIsle, Wizard101 and Pirate101 developer and publisher, did that, too. If you were reported for harassing others too many times, they'd shut down your chat privileges by "Muting" you.
Furthermore, they can also mute your IP address, making it impossible to simply start up another account just to continue your deplorable behavior without first changing your IP address, which is something select internet providers, such as Frontier, generally don't like to you doing. They can literally shut down your internet entirely for trying to change your IP address.
Last I remembered, video game communities are about GAMING first and foremost. And they are certainly no place to dump your hatred and toxicity.
NO. 40: you’re right, and it falls on us as a community to cut that machismo bullshit out instead of being complacent about it
NO. 40 your memories are of times long past sadly :(
PSNMyfoot uhmm since when? Because I don’t remember when we shifted to being the “douchebag club”.
I’ve always hated this overly toxic behavior, and it definitely does NOT define gaming communities. So how exactly are my memories of “long past”?
Partial quote from Throttle: "The whole world does not respect you."
I think you were looking into a mirror when you said that, Throttle. You have to learn to respect yourself before you can respect others.
Here's a thought: Dump all of the toxic people together. Let them have their own little cesspool where they can spew whatever hate they want at everyone else who is spewing the same hate right back.
Bob Bobson thats sort of what they do in street fighter but with rage quiting. If you rage quit a bunch then you get an icon next to your profile and get matched up with people that also have the icon.
It's a variation of what is called hellban : mute them, while letting hem think they are heard.
You mean a shadow ban.
That would be fun. I won't be looked down for being racist for once.
@@PrakashSingh Hol’ Up
Wait a minute
Thank you! Oh dear lord, you can't imagine how this was needed... Especialy for the girls.... it made me feel better seeing that people understand this... I mean, I play TF2 and I hate typing during a game, so me and my friends are always on skype call... I try using the voice thingy in TF2... and in the first time of finally stepping over myself, hearing that some of the guys started using voice chat, I spoke up too... I got a loud pissed of groan and everytime I wanted to say something a dude said "Shut up" or "Not you again!"... in another game I was called Justin Bieber coz aparantely the fact that a womans voice is not the same as a mans voice didn't occur to them.. and I'm not the only one, and I don't feel safe playing TF2 coz in my oppinion a game with TEAM in the title should encourage team work, and voicechat is the best choice for that..and seeing how I a 19 year old girl have to keep quieet, or a 15 year old, polite boy who could actually laugh when he got killed and say "Holy spaghetti that was a great a shot" instead of yelling HAAAAXX(!) was told to shut the hell up coz he is annoying.... I dunno it doesn't feel right at all...
The more commonplace diverse people become in online gaming communities, the more we'll (hopefully) start to see harassment diminish. In the meantime, fighting discrimination whenever and wherever possible is the best thing to do. On a related note, thank you for making TF2 a more diverse community; I'm glad to see a wider audience people enjoying the game! You go, girl! :D
Exactly! And, thanks, Chris! To be honest... if those guys would've said I'm a noob, I wouldn't be mad, I'm not the best FPS player... but those insults they kept spewing did hurt... But I agree to you, the more diverse players start showing up, the faster people will stop with the insults..
Its sad that, that is the kind of experience you've had in games. I have no problems playing games with anyone as long as they are fun to play with and are fair. But unfortunately, not everyone sees it like I do. In Planetside 2, a very qualified (one could argue OVER qualified) girl gamer was passed over a least a dozen times for promotion to the next rank in my old outfit (basically a guild) because no one respected her. The girl was easily the most dangerous and skilled player in the group, but since no one would listen to any order she gave and would often mute her in chat, she became essentially a non-entity. It ended with her quitting the game and it was sad because she was a lovely person and was an absolute blast to game with. A total waste.
But hey, obviously not everyone in gaming is bad. When that girl quit the game, I quit the outfit. No one who will pass over an awesome gamer like that is worth my time. We're here to have fun, not to hate!
I'm glad not everyone is like that! But still there are enough a-holes.... Which is a true pain in the soft spot >
*clap clap clap* I salute you, sir!
"Because this, this isn't us. For years, we've been the culture that took in the people that no one else would, (...) the gaming community would embrace them. That's how the world should know us, and that's what we should think of ourselves."
Beautiful. Keep up the good work.
These are such good ideas, and I really hope they'll be implemented into upcoming games/services. If I ever work on a multiplayer game, this is the first issue I would bring up.
I can already see ways this can be exploited, imagine if people just roamed as a pack in games, and mute some poor random souls that havent done anything wrong, it would be really unfair and just compound the issue.
I refuse to play online, because the harassment isn't worth it. I stick to single player games, and only play with people I actually know.
+Nicole Belcher
This comment explained my gaming life.
+Nicole Belcher You can turn off all chat at the start of a game you know.
Garbage people in the gaming communities I love are one of the main reasons I don't play with strangers if I can help it. I'd rather play with a friend who I know isn't gonna spout this bullshit at me, especially if I'm not particularly good at a game. Take LoL for example. I adore the fact that they introduced the co-op vs AI mode in the game, before its introduction I rarely played because every time I'd go play PVP, I would die constantly and could never actually survive long enough to learn how my character works. Plus, it's not fun to have to deal with the other team shit talking you and your own belittling you for not being good. So co-op is a very nice addition, it lets me learn new heroes and no one complains at me if I don't do well because we're playing bots, not real people.
You deserve more likes.
It's this kind of stuff that just annoyed me so much that i don't even try multiplayer stuff anymore, which in some regard, sucks because the industry is driving really hard to become a multiplayer environment. It's going to get so bad that I won't want to play games ever again because of the forced multiplayer environment....
That accepting, kind, safe community was what I loved so much when I first started playing MMO's. It gave me the love of games I have today, it saved my life to have the friends I met online. That community and empowerment I felt (and, thank god, still feel) are why I now want to MAKE video games. As a woman, I guess I'm really lucky to not have really faced this problem myself before. I figure that has a lot to do with my choice of games, general quietness, and the fact that I usually try to play with people that have demonstrated kindness to me. But I have friends who have been harassed. It was terrible. They would have to use back-up accounts, or only play at odd hours to avoid the bullies. Sometimes they'd just disappear altogether. They usually came back...but not always. We, as a community have to do something about this.
There's my spiel, g'night.
auto mute for people who get muted a lot is a great idea
A person took all of me and my buddy's equipment in dst, then burned everything and left, calling me a "filthy wickerbottom player"
We rollbacked the server, so if he ever came back, he would lose all of their equipment, and we got all of our stuff back.
Brian Finley isn’t the whole point of dst to work together?
@@budwised3986 why, yes, and he wasn't.
@@Thestin what is dst
@@shaxxmeer don't starve together.
@@Thestin Ah
That sucks someone would do that
This is the main reason why I don't like playing online games. I have played quite a few games of L4D and Garry's Mod and I'd like to start TF2 soon, but a lot of online games I've played are just filled with bile-spewing balls of rage and hatred. Runescape is a prime example. Back when I used to play rs, about 5 years ago, I learned that nearly everyone who played lacked the ability to be decent people and spam bots were EVERYWHERE.
For TF2, for avoiding vitriol, mainly stay away from the international public servers. By international I mean Valve dedicated pubs and such. They are the most misogynistic, vile places, and much better servers can and are available, in what they have to offer and their communities.
Runescape seems tame to me after playing MOBAs. Imagine being stuck with those trolls and terrible people for almost an hour. I empathize with being turned off by online play, I don't enjoy it anymore either. When a game looks great, but is online it makes me really nervous and sad. No one should have to deal with abuse just to play a game.
Luxai Agreed, but I don't believe we need to keep it around just because of that. Once we raise enough awareness that this is unacceptable behavior, we can start getting rid of it to create a better community.
Runescape is a hole fully of angry nasty people.
I know, oh god. I'm from Thailand and we have this CoD knockoff I used to play called "X-shot". They were filled with rude people which I couldn't get away, so I had to quit. (Thankfully, it's not as bad as CoD. **sigh**)
Quit TF2 because I played a match with my ex-best friend who cheated by having more allies than me. (All of them were his friends.)
That fucker added salt to the wound by mocking me for being an loner and just blaming me for not having friends, trying to correct himself for the unfair amount of his allies. (That was the final push, to be honest.)
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YOU GIVE THEM THEIR POWER, they do not have gain it merely left to their own devices.
Exactly.
That's why auto-muting repeat offenders would be a blessing.
But you are doing what they want in the first place: attention. They want people to respond to what they say. It doesn't matter the reply is stupid/hostile/meaningful, as long as they can get something to fuel whatever fire they started, you are doing them a favor by continuing the conversation, and even bumping his chat up so more people can see the offending message. It is better to ignore or mute them in the first place.
ameteuraspirant ya trolls are already too fat get it
THIS needs to be shown at schools to teach kid about cyber bulling, mabye some edits need to be made (a few bleeps/censors here and there) but kids need to know this is happening, and what to do
Kitten Master what you do is you ignore or mute the person who is harassing you. its as simple as that. there is no solution for this.
Trey Forest This.
Yes there is. Back in the day, it was called "a duel." Often times the winners were the ones who trained with the sword rather than with words.
I would show this to everyone, but unfortunately, a lot of people would dismiss this as "Oh, it's just another one of your stupid game things".
I hate people who don't realise what games are. Some are a way to learn new things, some help socialise, etc.
Guild member being toxic
'kicked'
Change his ranting into the whole of guild.
Just hope there's a game where their gm side is active at making the community at large civil, not by banning of course, but by muting the toxic/etc for a period of time, they can still play the game but without any social interaction whatsoever, if they don't want to join the community simply have them removed but remember no banning.
you think xbox live is bad try one day of league of legends you would barly survive an hour then bleach your eyes out....
+Silver butter Any free to play game is pretty bad imo
so true
+Silver butter u think league is bad, dota is just as bad
+American Quesadilla The toxic enviroment isn't as relevant in MMO type games, because most of the time you aren't competing with random people against random people. Though if you hop in the PVP side of these games it tends to be just as bad and MMO's do have some toxic people when you are running in PUG groups, but those groups can't be competitive so it isn't so common.
+George R
Simple Definition of competitive
: of or relating to a situation in which people or groups are trying to win a contest or be more successful than others : relating to or involving competition
: having a strong desire to win or be the best at something
: as good as or better than others of the same kind : able to compete successfully with others
The internet needs tools for dealing with toxic behavior that mirror those in real life.
Stephen Kramer indeed
Part of the issue is that its not games themselves. It is the internet and its ability to be effectively anonymous. These thoughts and stuff have always existed. But until people have gotten the ability to speak/act through an avatar/screen name, if not completely anonymously, we kept those things locked away.
Anonymity is a good thing too. I have friends who have been threatened in real life when people in games found out who they were. No one in a game should care or want to know who you are IRL. they should only care about how you act in game.
One problem I can forsee with the auto-mute system is the fact that a majority of people playing online (in my experience) don't use microphones or choose to not communicate with others in-game. Thus bringing the average player closer to 'never gets muted' because they don't speak up, and therefore no one has any reason to mute them. The problem arises when people like me (and I assume many others) who don't usually communicate over these games decide to just mute anyone who wants to talk. Not becasue they are spouting obscenities or racial slurs or whatever (though admittedly that is usually the case), but because I'm not interested in talking to them, and it becomes more of an annoyance, especially when I'm not interested in finding my headset in the middle of an intense game where losing focus, even for a few seconds, could mean the game, and sending my voice out there to voice my opinions on strategy or playstyle. But that's a story for another time. So, players who constructively contribute to a team or a community may just get muted because I don't want to deal with one more thing in my game.
Maybe that's just me and no one else feels this same way, and any positive contribution to the game is welcomed and accepted. Plus, that doesn't cover private text-based messaging, which may be much more easily monitored. Furthermore, I've had plenty of online games where I've met legitimately nice people and had really great games with them, despite my usual tendency to mute other players, if for nothing other than fear that they will make some sort of offensive or vulgar comment (as my Xbox is in a public room and I have young siblings). For the most part though, I 100% agree with the points this video makes, and hope to see some of these ideas implemented in the future.
Education should come first; showing that everyone's just a brain piloting a meat-mech, regardless of bits or skin colour.
If that doesn't work, curb-stomping the offenders could also work; after all, they can't spew out hate speech when they're busy swallowing shards of their own teeth.
Telling a rapist that rape is illegal won't change the rapists behavior, same thing here.
+zachary neil Yeah, but you can't accidentally rape someone. It is possible to be accidentally discriminatory, since the human mind is hardwired to think of different people as "the other", a nebulous collection of stereotypes. They're simply ignorant. If you show them that everyone's the same and they realize the error of their ways, then good for them. If you give them evidence that everyone is equal and they ignore it in favour of their biases, then they're stupid. That's when you resort to the aforementioned violence.
+Patrik Tripes
But people who openly and blatantly discriminate for attention will not change if this action is taken.
+Patrik Tripes
You can't accidentally shitalk for attention either.
+zachary neil Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to ignorance. You've got to give everyone a chance to change. Sure, the odd persistent, attention-seeking shitstain exists, and that's when the violence is necessary. If you go around punching people because they say stupid shit, you'd pretty much have to punch everyone. You, I, and everyone else on this planet remembers when they were younger and they made some stupid mistake, and they cringe. Assuming someone sits them down, shows them everyone's equal, and tells them to stop being twats.
Another idea: One can flag a person as "i dont want to play with him/her". This way, the matchmaking system wont put them in the same match again. This way, people who are really toxic will, after a while, find it harder and harder to start a game due to restrictions. If it is already included in the "Block" command, all the better.
Games & Respect for everyone!
That's a pretty good idea! I like it! I'm actually surprised that it is not implemented somewhere.
Good idea! One problem I see here though is that some "pros" would try to block newbies or other "pros" who contributed to their losses, thereby making it more difficult for newbies to learn the ropes of the game over time since no one would want to play with newbies anymore.
Richmond Cabunilas that's why we need to think of a way for players not to abuse the system, maybe if a player got multiple blocks?
Not enough.
Basically, an troll would be able to alienate you entire community before he lost toxic power.
You have to draw the line way before.
Only a certain number of blocks like maybe 10? if you want more than that the may be 2 ways
The greedy way, if you want to block 20 people, you gotta pay 4.95
Or just ask the support center to get more and maybe with evidence too
I was in two Hawken matches an everyone except one guy was being sportsmanlike, it was an early port to PS4 so not all the features work including the mute button. As a result what was a game where players were strategizing and commending each other on their playstyle a single person who had some sort of inferiority complex drove literally the entire roster to disconnect, this isn't just being ethical it's also just smart for game designers to not force the players to endure blatant toxicity, it's in bad business to make the player hesitant to return to the game.
Great video. Social pressure is the best option (IMO). It sounds scary to listen to the thought of restricting speech even if it’s hate speech, but this video does a great job of pointing out just how significant this issue is. It’s not who we are
Back then it was a small subset, but now we've learn it definitely isn't. It's a lot of us, and the more we deny that, the worse it will get.
I love when ppl insult me while playing For Honor, It really makes me think:
"Damn. Im so Happy i am not such a mediocre excuse for a Gamer."
And when they Just start targeting me in game? Oh oh, now the fun begins, as my allies DESTROY them and i kill them while also beeing ganked. Its Just.. perfection.
Sometimes Toxicity Is normal (as they said in the related video) but this? This Is sad. I use video games as a little space of relax and to turn off my mind After a long day, and when i see ppl treating other Fellow gamers like this, It gets on my nerves, Just a Little bit. As an hopefully future game developer, i really Hope out medium IS getting Better, because After ALL THIS YEARS? This video Is still dead Word, apparently, and for now we only admitted that It Is a problem. Oh well, Guess It might be on us to stop this, if nobody Is doing anything for It.
Now Lets go a few years back I was younger than most gamers and because of the poor behavior of people my age I was constantly harassed and brought down in voice chat. which made me angry and sad and I took out that rage in others now I am trying to improve myself and try not to make the mistakes others have made. Thank you to extra credits and everyone who made this video possible.
It's 2022 and toxicity is especially rough, and it even extends to social media. For example, someone can completely ignore your argument by simply replying with the nerd emoji and my one IRL friend is unwilling to step outside his comfort zone of 21st century humor. People will also look for mispelignz like what you saw just now in an attempt to find something they can dunk on people for. As a matter of fact, this kind of statement that I am making right now is likely going to receive some form of hate since it expresses an opinion.
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Honestly... Whenever I hear/see someone trash talking I tell them to prove it with their skill. When they win/when I win, I throw out a GG.
This is how these people should be handled. If they are the minority of the community, then the rest of us need to step up and show them how to behave online.
It all goes back to their assumed anonymity. They think nothing will come back to them, so they behave as if there are no rules.
When talking about women in gaming..... I have met a few. There was one where she was hyper defensive about being female. I complimented a shot she took to my head, and she called me patronizing and "wanted to be her f--k buddy' just because she was female. To have someone become SO damn jaded by an online community... That's terrible.
Over the years of being a gamer, I have had the anger problems associated with games. I have also developed quite a few.... I'm going to call them 'skills' for lack of better word; to combat that anger. Get stuck in a game and it's pissing you off? Play something else for awhile. Taking a break from one game will allow you to clear your head and come back to find the solutions. Always try to have FUN playing these things. A game is called a game for a reason. Be nicer to those people who are doing terrible. Sometimes, a word of encouragement is all that is needed to come back from the brink of defeat. Their game improves. They start listening to friendly advice. When you get toxic communities, like that of League, DOTA, etc, you teach everyone that is the ONLY way to act.
Well said.
I'm so happy you took the female gamer that reacted negatively to your compliment as a sign of how she's been marginalized by the community, not how she's marginalized herself. A lot of people would, through that anecdote, move farther TOWARDS the misogynist side of the gaming community, because the over-defensiveness/sensitivity makes her seem like a bad edition to gaming culture, and a simple mind would think that it's because she's a girl. It takes some self awareness, and an actual empathetic mind to realize that when people act out, it's always for a reason, and thinking about that reason instead of the action itself is what's going to inform you on what the person is actually like. It is sad. She shouldn't feel like she should have to protect her identity when acting in an environment she enjoys. Her identity, gender and everything included, should be a PART of her gaming experience, not something that conflicts with it.
William Ossiss THAT'S how all voicechat in games should be.
Un-Popular Opinions an online applause for u good sir. I too try to have the same perspective when it comes to my gaming experience
Un-Popular Opinions This, i have to say, was the most productive and informative comment on this video.
Gotta day ever since I've discovered this channel I've loved it. Not just because it gives advice on writing but because it addresses all of the issues that we face in gaming and does so in a calm and respectful manner. Thanks guys. Live long and prosper.
I take a bit of issue with the idea that 'something must have gone horribly wrong in their lives' for them to bully and harass people. That's what moms say all the time to cheer their kids up but its not exactly true. I think people just have a natural tendency to be shitty to one another if there's no consequence to that action, we need to recognise that we're not dealing with a boogey man. Only humans.
I congratulate you on stumbling across a philosophical/psychological question that has gripped humanity for some time: is cruelty just something some people are born with, or is it learned?
I wonder if Pheonix could sound more pompous and arrogant?
Like for real man, don't be dreadful.
I think that we are all born being selfish/self-centered. Just look at how infants and toddlers behave. I think people become bullies because they lack understanding in some degree, in either self-control, empathy, or consequences of actions. And this is lacking is usually, but not always, combined with a low self-esteem. I think the low self-esteem is more of a catalyst, then then sole reasoning of the bulling.
My reason for this is that we all know people who have a low self-esteem, but don't unleash their "inner beast" on to other people, but we all know of someone who has a high self-esteem, but are cruel to others.
Well, these are just my thoughts anyways.
the way I see it, is that people subconsciously censor themselves but when they consciously know there will not be consequences, that internal moral censor does not work because - it is not needed at that time.
For the first solution, I mute all people in video games because I don't wanna hear anyone when I play but if that happens I'd feel bad when I do so, so if it happens I'll have to have less fun
Matthew M73 I mute everyone too. I think more games, especially fps games should have a setting that will auto-mute everyone, but they can be unmuted manually.
Yeah except I mute people on my team that are not part of party to avoid conversation interference, thus I think that Auto mute idea would crash and burn.
Why I've only ever tried MOBA games once. Life's too short to deal with that kind of bullshit to play a game.
7 years later and these examples don't look any worse than they are now. If anything they look more like playful insults. The community's underbelly is definitely worse now, which is a total shame, and they wonder why everyone looks at our community with disgust.
This is still such a massive problem in this community and it's ridiculous. I find it distinctly hypocritical for a community that has been known to take in the outcast and let people outside of the norm be welcomed and accepted to then disparage others who are a part of that community and even people who are minorities, who you would think would be immediately understood and let in. "Oh, you're also misunderstood and not accepted as a minority? Come on in with other people just like you!". You'd think that'd happen.
Also, some of these people are just immature and insecure people who have been harmed and/or are lacking that power and presence in the world...but some really are just ignorant. A lot of people who say these sexist and racist things grew up in a culture that teaches them that they should be acting this way or that acting this way is okay. It's not, and these people need to learn that those behaviors are completely unacceptable. Confronting them can help. Silencing these people does limit toxicity, but these people are bad and doing horrible things and that also needs to be addressed. More macro solutions probably will be needed, such as supporting better education for all people and supporting access to things like therapy. Cause really, these people are the lowest of the low, the absolute dregs, and they deserve no better and deserve no attention until they learn and heal.
In games, the vitriol and hatred can sometimes run rampant and the words can hurt as intensely as real physical pain. Gamers are not all the same. There are some sensitive, kind and nice people who just want to enjoy their game and relieve the stress that has been building up, but their experience is getting ruined by people who just spew hatred and anger in their face and ear. There are also people who play games to deal with their depression and low self-esteem, and getting an earful of derogatory comments on how worthless they are just makes it worse. People can break down from words. They have a lot of power on "broken" people.
Then there is the group of people who seem to enjoy hurting other people online. These people, trolls, bullies, jerks, whatever you want to call them must have some issues of their own, be it personal sense of powerlessness, weakness or other real life issues they unleash on the other members of their community with reckless abandon. But this is not the right way. They have a problem recognising their own fault. They need to learn to understand why they do it and why it is important that they stop doing it and learn how to deal with their frustration and anger, and how to put their feelings into words. Only then they can begin to grow as a person.
Anyone who pulls "freedom of speech"-card to defend bullying, misogyny and hatred to defend their despicable actions online should put down the controller, shut down their rig and think for a while. Freedom of speech is not same as freedom to hurt others. NOTHING can justify that.
No wonder some people think Gamers are manbabies or childish due to toxicity
Bullies aren't the ones who have deep psychological trauma acting out. That's a myth. Bullies arise during a time of disruption, they tend to be well liked and popular, and they tend to be the ones who say "this person is not one of us, so we can bully 'them.'"
Getting rid of bullies will always be tricky because one person's bully is another community's leader.
Not necessarily true. There are plenty of bullies who abuse others because they're the victim at home and school is the one place where they're not the weak useless one.
@@Drums_of_Liberation Correct.
Wow, went and watched the video, after 13 min of harassing he literally chases her out of the room sniffing her...
That detestable and cowardly ogre is as ugly on the inside as he is on the outside.
Really, this is soo important. Until recently I mainly played by myself, and it kind of horrified me when I started going online and I began to see all of this kind of stuff happening. It's actually kind of become one of my personal gamer goals, to be understanding and polite at all times when online. If they have to get off because it's an emergency, tell them it's okay, and hope that all will go well, don't start screaming at them about how much you will kill their entire family. If someone doesn't know the rules, be helpful, teach them, don't scream at them for how they're ruining everything because they're new or haven't learned everything yet. I grew up in a family of gamers, my parents, my uncles, my cousins, everyone, and I grew up in a safe environment. The older members were understanding, patient and polite, and the younger members weren't afraid to ask the older ones for help. It has really taught me the value of kindness in the gaming community, and what our community should really be like, and what should represent our community. Our accepting of others, that everyone who plays has their own lives, their own problems, their own things hurting them inside, and that our games ARE NOT more important. Sorry, for ranting and rambling, but this video kind of inspired me.
-Thank you,
A Hopeful Gamer
Update: Microsoft has announced that they'll be going about this in the most backassward way possible.
It's Microsoft. They could do literally everything wrong, and they'll still make money because they have effective control of a market.
I really hate high skill players harassing low skill players. I mean don't get me wrong the mix is good but when you get that one person that seeks you out to kill you every single time you log on is just a horrible experience. You need a way to block people like that in every game.
In Toontown Rewritten, as a high skill player who's been playing Toontown in general for over 10 years running, I'm always glad to point new players in the right direction, or help them understand a gameplay aspect that has them stumped or frustrated, rather then insult them or make fun of them for being low and weak ( cause lets face it: You may be 136 Laff points now, but you started at 15 Laff with level 1 throw and squirt just like everybody else, and everyone else knows it, too ).
And yes, anytime I see harassment in Toontown, I immediately stomp it out before it erupts into an all-out war, telling them to either "Settle this like adults, or take it to Vibrant", or "Behave, kids. No fighting".
Bulldozer Studios Good on you. The world could stand a few more decent human beings,
This is how I treated others in City of Heroes, I did what I could to help those new to the game, and I think a lot of the CoH community was that way.
Oh, COH how we miss you....oh, the pain...
All too often I see someone verbally harassing someone, and then the victim claiming that the harasser is no better, that they're too low experience to even know the difference between skill and the lack of it. This may just be an attempt at countering and remarking at the harasser, but whatever the motivation, this encourages the idea that if you're high enough experience or skill level, you have the right to trash talk people and harass them, and drawing the line between bragging rights and verbal abuse is so much harder than you may think. It's not easy to tell when someone is personally insulting you or just celebrating their superiority. Basically, the only thing worse than a bad loser is a bad winner.
People who say this kind of trash talking is the way video games have always been, has obviously never been to an arcade. If you said those kinds of slurs in an arcade, you would get thrown out or beat up, the way it should be.
Basic stupidity causes most human suffering.
A lot of these censorship options could be easily exploited in order to silence ideas that people don't agree with.
I'm sure Call of Duty is a stomping ground for revolutionary fervor these days.
Wow this was posted on my birthday. And this has to be my favorite community info video you guys have made thank you so much for this
I can hardly imagine the kind of person who writes... that.
Red Pacifist it's a terrible thing for someone to do. to attempt to belittle or cause fear in others with absolutely no motive. unfortunately for us as long as the anonymity of the Internet is around people will do this knowing they will likely not be punished.
When an Xbox player or ps4 player says “Nintendo is for babies” I just show them the 13 year olds who cannot spell right and scream at every turn
PC is even way more worse than xbox and PS4/5 combined.
Thank you so much for covering this topic. It's wonderful to hear people speak out about this kind of subject.
There is a reason that the comparatively few women who play EVE online are at or near the top of the best corporations in the game. The gender demographics of Eve online is 96% male to 4% female. This may have something to do with the subject matter or the ridiculous learning curve of the game, but the women who persevere through the bullshit thrown at them means that those who stick around are some of the most battle hardened and respected capsuleers in the game.
Places to find TOXIC players:
Counter Strike Global Offensive
Call Of Duty (fuck this series)
Xbox live
Team Foretress 2
Pretty much every 18+ rated shooter that's popular for kids
basically any game with online multiplayer that involves more than two people at a time. Quadruple points if it's some kind of "competitive" or ranked mode.
yea your kinda right on that but idk if its just me but you rarely see Toxic players in the PVZ Garden Warfare series. Atleast for the consoles Pc gamers probably have lots of those
You forgot Minecraft
+thenigga I've never heard trash talk in minecraft
The Ultraempoleon Then you haven't seen the minecraft community
On Steam, everyone knows I'm Homosexual. Harassment for me is extremely annoying.
Felix Westcott I'm a straight white male, so I can't and won't pretend to understand this. But I do wish you the best, and I hope you don't let these people ruin video games for you.
That's awful, people shouldn't care about silly differences like gender or gender orientation.
Felix Westcott How do people know that?
Eight years later and gamer culture has, if anything, doubled down on toxicity as it's defining feature.
I have never in my life seen a community so dedicated to making itself miserable, as though someone suggested they stop punching themselves in the dick, and they responded by livestreaming themselves competing over who can self-dick-punch the hardest and insist that it's fun, actually.
"Eight years later and gamer culture has, if anything, doubled down on toxicity as it's defining feature."
Awesome!
Wow! Very well-said! Thank you for posting this.
I believe you are 100% right: criticizing and pointing out problems without also presenting a solution is ultimately fruitless, rage without direction. Thank you very much for actively working toward being part of the solution, particularly one for a issue as vitriolic and, frankly, embarrassing as this one.
*high five*
I can't tell you how much this video is appreciated!!!
that first idea wouldn't work because I mute people all the time because i don't like listening to people sometimes, not because they're being rude. maybe if you have to give your mute reason?
I always mute in games, I just don't want to hear other people. (mostly because the quality sucks). But I don't think that should count against someone just because I'm picky about that.
aresdotexe that's why it's "out of a certain percentage" not "how many times this person has been muted". If one person is muted more then other people, it's easy to find that data.
Jim Slaughters Oh that makes more sense lol I should pay more attention.
Most people i mute aren't trash talking either mostly because they have there mic on and aren't talking but something is in the back round.
Something like this happened to me today he was a grown ass man and I'm 13 and was telling in his mic calling me a bitch
crackhead sceet stain I’m sorry for you, that’s nasty. Which game?
That's not a 'grown man', that's called a manchild, just mute and ignore that boy.
just mute people like that kid.
Yea mute the disrespectful and the toxic
Idk if you're still meeting these kinds of people but the appropriate response to being called a bitch is usually "yes, why do you think your mom and i are business partners"
Well I love when I get hate mails in game, that means I made someone cry like a little bitch :D
Overwatch on Console still has no report system.
*gets auto balanced to blu team on tf2*
*kid is screaming at the top of his lungs*
*I remember I can mute him*
*mutes him*
+MC Cloud faith in Valve restored
WISE DREDD ty ty
3:36 I disagree with this point
Often times I would message someone asking if they can promote me in the squad or do a simple task that requires a simple button press and no real response.
I would also often give people little tips like
You can do this here or there's a cool Easter egg here.
These things don't rely require a response and with a system like this in place it would discourage people like me from trying to improve the fellow players
I also disagree as someone could choose to ignore your messages which would cause this system to trigger. I think it should be that if someone keeps getting their messages reported, that would be a more fair system as unfair reports could also be reducted if when the reported message is read, they can see if it is a message that should or shouldn't be reported
Except that implies that such a system would block your ability to send messages to random people after only
a few messages with no response. The threshold for a block would realistically be MUCH HIGHER to account
for the things you brought up. The system wouldn't trigger after one or ten messages, it would have to be something like 20 to 50 messages not responded to, maybe more.
Also, said system would also likely be coupled with the auto mute stated before, and both would be coupled to the report system.
Lastly, all the activities you listed sound like things people on your friends list would do, this system doesn't block communications with friends, dan made that quite clear.
Yeah that system has it's flaws.
I don't play any online multiplayer games due to sucky people online.
I don't play because I suck against people who are way better than me... I'm already at peace with it though.
hetaliauchiha Tons of games don't require or allow communication. You play and that's it. Other than occasional frustration, bad matchmaking resulting in "git gud" scenarios and AFKing, the social aspect is not a problem there. 1v1 games have no such problems.
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've complained about this and my friends have just shut me down saying that I'm the one with the problem. I care too much and this is just gaming. Some games BREED toxicity. Riot's League of Legends for one.
@PreciselyRandom ha. Yeah. :-/
Mobas breed toxicity because there is a large investment of time and the mistakes done in the first ten minutes all but determine the outcome of a thirty or forty minute game. If games were shorter or easier to leave people would not be as toxic because they could just move on to the next game.
Dude if u play on pc your more likely to find toxic people
5 years in the future, but I feel it's worth bringing up.
In offhand conversation, I often times ask other adult gamers about voice and chat mute. The majority of people I speak with, and myself included, don't mute people for toxicity. We mute people because all we want is a few matches of us and our gun vs them, and the last thing we want is some person yelling at us about how we're not tryharding or to listen to someone eating their doritos with the "press key to talk" option turned off. If we want to be strategic and use that most op of tactics, teamwork, we'll tough it out.
I understand that personal experience is not sufficient evidence for a larger trend, but it does give me concern in the idea of using mute statistics as a basis of punishment. I'd be interested in seeing the concept explored to see if it is a wider behavior, and to see better ways to associated muting as being a response to negative behavior. When, are they muted, for example? A person muted the instant a game starts vs a person muted 4 minutes into a losing match tell two different stories.
I know there are other topics in the video, and I apologize. Better voice chat is a subject near and dear to me, and I tend to focus on it. Otherwise, glad you all talked about this way back in 2012.
Massive thumbs up guys, I hope this makes a huge impact.
I personally know the feeling of cyber bullying and have had to deal with some horrid stuff in the past.
This. This here needs to happen. Bullying is harsh and truly needs to stop. So everyone should do their part and push for these ideas!