FollowGrubby I know i'm just the average joe at playin this game, but later on when he had a little momentum, i wonder why he didn't get Raiders with net & pillage? That woulda helped 3-fold: no escaping Griffins, quick building destruction, & more $. Now being the master he probably thought of & has a good reason for not doing it, but i'd love to hear to better my own gameplay.
@@Izanami709 Because he already chose something else. Changing his compo and making new upgrades would have been a money and time loss. He capitalized on his 3 heroes while the opponent spent everything in air units. At the end of the day the 3 heroes together became too powerful to be matched, while griffins just remained griffins, and cost a lot of gold.
Gurval de La Chanonie well i disagree about the already chosen path theory. At 25 min which is about the time at which i was referring, he had over 1k gold & plenty o lumber. At that point he had plenty of resources & time to get Raiders w/nets. I was more hoping to get his state of mind at the time but thx for ur input.
He prepared for that. You saw it coming. Grubby losing very few units, got a load of 1000 gold for anything he needs to do. Enemy calls gg. Well, he would have won anyway. But for that Grubby made him suffer.
@@the3rdx Actually he had lost quite a few units. What he really had was hero level. A level 5 hero will weight has much as 5 gryphons and had 3 heroes at that level. The guy didn't properly assess what hero presence his stunt has costed. He was living on borrowed time.
Opponent also dropped the ball big time. Played super sloppy.. He should have just had patient. Buying mana pots with his mk and snipe the demos better
Uther the Lightbringer: What? Arthas: This entire city must be purged. Uther the Lightbringer: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way. 2:09
I stopped playing WC3 about 15 years ago, but still watch you play, your ability to make games fun have helped me keep playing other games but applying the same principle for a long, long time. Take care and thanks for keep posting after so long
You can simply play it for fun from time to time, host a custom map vs AI, there are some nice 4v4, or 3v3 maps. Let one random person join or invite, and play 2v4 normal ai, or 2v3/5, and what ever. If even 2v3 beats you, then simply reduce difficulty of some bots to easy (or vice versa add more bots). It can be quite fun and good games without (much) skill, and this modes make sure you can actually have some game. AI ws a always fun in RTS games, becaues you can set the difficulty and it can always be challenging but doable to realize something you have in mind. Kinda casually. Again the difficulty is totally adaptable. That being said it can add fun having experienced a vs humans game lately on such map (bad games) to then see the difference of playability. Like a cold coke at a hot day, you know. And of course this is not for people who are strong pvpers seeking that extra challenge of a human enemy, this is for people who didn't play for some time, or i.e. perhaps only the campaign. The game offers a lot to experience some multiplayer like vibes without having to spend hundreds of hours. Also a human ally certainly adds the multiplayer atmosphere and teamplay for some time, either just casually or until you are better. And why 3 to 5 enemies? Extra slashing, extra fun, aaand experience for heroes. Personal choice. I personally always liked this to try out heroes(combos) and have them level high, more reliably but still with some thrill, when i was not playing the game actively (anymore). It's surprising how well some combos fare vs AI while others not at all. Or... I always liked this to simply to get an Army I want without getting rushed to death by Ghoul All-ins, Wyfern, or 3on1 in 4v4 hu games when I'm not even ready for 1v1. Side note: There are some cool youtubers who bring some real fun AI challenges to the screen. PS: From playing casually these were also good times and actually raising skill effectively, over time, to beat human players in Versus. -> Treat it as a game! (= you decide!) -> Profit.
love this one because the guy early gg's ofc, and then he plays it out and slowly realizes he's losing more and more until he's absolutely lost, and then at the end he still thinks he thinks he's too aggressive/made mistakes, when in reality grubby said he knew he was going to win from before he even called the early gg. truly a difference in skill that the enemy doesn't even know - like a level of skill that you don't even realize how far apart you are.
i love when enemy cockiness is beyond roof and when you suddenly start to have very visible advantage they stay quiet whole game it make victories delicious ;)
4:45 where your SH had 3 hp and then when he recovered to like 10, you decided to click his footman to damage him, and then after a long run, you kill his footman. HILARIOUS. GG amazing comeback.
The opponent in this game was not interested in beating you in terms of gameplay, but rather patience. They were not attacking your pieces on the board, but rather, you yourself. They wanted to destroy your resolve, and as such did whatever they could to lower your morale. I imagine the 71% winrate comes from players who simply don't like having their time wasted, rather than Solitary being genuinely, "good" at the game. Props to you, what a rude playstyle.
This is an old video, but I respectfully disagree. I have not played WC3 in over a decade but I get my competitive kicks in Mt:G. What villain was doing is quite a legitimate strategy imo. He was using his superior mobility to drain Grubby's attention and micro. the "attention" trade was quite beneficial to the villain. Grubby proved better by creeping while beeing harrased - his 3 high-level heroes playing a crucial role in the later game - being extremely cost efficient. In later game Solitary didn't switch his approach - high mobility being less of a factor when he was on the back foot defending the cross spawn expo. He also had an under leveled MK. He wasn't in that bad of a situation in regards to economy - having his additional goldmines up - you can see that in his final resource score. I can't rightfully calculate how much he lost to upkeep though. In my (inexperienced) opinion, he failed to use his gryphons cost effectively late game, losing them quite often and not healing up the wounded ones. this resulted in him not getting that critical DPS where he could 1 or 2-shot a tower and get our Hero again strained to defend multiple points.
Here‘s the rundown of the Band of brothers：SH flips the mana pendant to TC，BAM a shockwave，then TC throw it to Alch，healing spray all over the place. Next thing you know，passed it back to SH，another Serpent ward pops out. dont mess with the pros😅
(SPOILER) 18:16 hahahaha kekw what a surprise. Remembering the he doesn't even have an expand, I thought the same thou, and it's funny how it makes sense somehow since his harrassing griffons could come over there. I really love to see this on pro play (vs pro player that played a goofy strat). PS: I love how the shadow turned out to be one great defender :))))))))))))
It's funny how way more people watch Grubby play WC3 ladder than play on WC3 ladder.. but then again not surprising, I'd never want to get matched up against that or close to it.
i was playing a different game while i turned this on and I haven't played this game or seen anything of it for a long time so all i could hear was Yoda saying "work work work." etc
Yup. Don't. Towers are delayers, not blockers. There are always several ways under the sun to get rid of them. Esp. with a high level TC one book away from negating any amount of tower you can dream of. The guy should have gone a second hero early on, either BM or AM. At a point Grubby was 4/4/4 vs 4. It's like being 4 vs 6/5. Your going to die is all. A switch to tank could have hurt real bad though, mb win.
to be fair the human practically had the game in the bag and then some he just stopped trying once the mains ran out of gold assuming grubby wont be able to come back with 0 bases vs 2 mining bases, if he just made a proper army instead of gryphons at that point he would have easily won
@@multivact3729 yes and grubby completely failed to deal with the cheese. the burrows sniping harassment was beyond successful . grubby was sitting on 0 bases with no income units or any ability to defend further structure sniping and he only won because the other guy assumed he won and didnt bother to continue sniping the rest of the base or just building a basic army and a-moving the 3 units grubby had left
@@coryluso941 human having a near cap griffon so he cant make another army unless his griffon army died so of course he wont make another strat when he already ahead and he can expan so much in this tiny map to cut off opponent income. Grubby see that and he thought the only way to come back is have the heroes carry the game by stall for time in the base with shadow (high lv seprent ward) and grab as much item and exp as possible with other heroes and using supperior micro to victory. You can see the power of taurent with 2 glove and aura plus alchemist deal so much dmg to griffon and get ton of exp from it, by the end of the game these two become power house and lower the dmg to his army using link and AOE heal. I do see grub insight and mirco is totally worth the win
@@ngocphuongpham7763 have you watched the video at all? the gryphons were wiped out multiple times and were remade for no reason at all. grubby was down to 800 gold on 0 mining bases versus TWO heavily towered mining bases and with no catapults. the grpyhons did their job achieving that situation and should have stopped there transitioning to a land army to just defend these bases and make him waste his last 800g. grubby just barely managed to clear his natural with his last coins because instead of defending it human assumed the towers will be enough and kept making gryphons for no reason at all. also, i love grubby but his micro is mediocre at best and his biggest weakness is being stuck in old meta thinking and unable to adjust to strategies hes unfamiliar with such as this gryphon cheese that completely wrecked him
@@coryluso941 When you say it like that the one who didnt adjust is his opponent LoL. Grubby play for fun the first halve of the game and after that make a change in plan + tryhard that manage to win the game. He could actually beat the cheese because he predict the griffon when chat say opp going tank but he just said, nah i will just fight them head-on with the headhunter like it a joke, cus he not serious at that moment. He did play human alot and i dont think he dont consider the cheese but just roll with it
Not going to rewatch but I thought I saw grubby type a single g. Maybe by accident?Shortly after opponent types gg thinking he had gotten a gg from grubby. I def could be wrong but that’s what I thought I saw.
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It's always risky to call an offensive "GG"!
FollowGrubby I know i'm just the average joe at playin this game, but later on when he had a little momentum, i wonder why he didn't get Raiders with net & pillage? That woulda helped 3-fold: no escaping Griffins, quick building destruction, & more $. Now being the master he probably thought of & has a good reason for not doing it, but i'd love to hear to better my own gameplay.
Can u explain why u make one one type of unit and not mix things up ?
Only to a pro. People can GG me anytime they want.
@@Izanami709 Because he already chose something else. Changing his compo and making new upgrades would have been a money and time loss. He capitalized on his 3 heroes while the opponent spent everything in air units. At the end of the day the 3 heroes together became too powerful to be matched, while griffins just remained griffins, and cost a lot of gold.
Gurval de La Chanonie well i disagree about the already chosen path theory. At 25 min which is about the time at which i was referring, he had over 1k gold & plenty o lumber. At that point he had plenty of resources & time to get Raiders w/nets. I was more hoping to get his state of mind at the time but thx for ur input.
I love how the guy calls gg and we get to see the difference between casual Grubby and tryhard Grubby, he immediately just starts rolling the guy lmao
He prepared for that. You saw it coming. Grubby losing very few units, got a load of 1000 gold for anything he needs to do. Enemy calls gg. Well, he would have won anyway. But for that Grubby made him suffer.
@@the3rdx Actually he had lost quite a few units. What he really had was hero level. A level 5 hero will weight has much as 5 gryphons and had 3 heroes at that level. The guy didn't properly assess what hero presence his stunt has costed. He was living on borrowed time.
Opponent also dropped the ball big time. Played super sloppy.. He should have just had patient. Buying mana pots with his mk and snipe the demos better
@@Niphern It's next to impossible to pull when so vastly outgun in hero level. You lose your MK real quick.
The true hero of that game is the big fat healing ogre, he payed so much value and was fit perfectly for the orc playstyle.
The item management between the 3 heroes to maximise the mana with the pendent of energy and the circlet was insane.
this match was INSANE grubster
He has such masterful hero micro indeed. I think years of mastering the blademaster are clearly visible.
25:07 "Oh okay." Lol you can visibly see Grub's inner rage at this moment.
From this moment on he just starts trolling the guy hard too. Kills town hall "gg" kills MK ":p"
Lol soo good
Salty matches are my favorite matches to watch. He says a preemptive gg at 24:56
He didn't quit without GG. He just GG'd 30 minutes too early.
Uther the Lightbringer: What?
Arthas: This entire city must be purged.
Uther the Lightbringer: How can you even consider that? There's got to be some other way.
2:09
He makes like 20 references every game. You have to have a big brain to understand.
@@DerangedAussieMan or be big PP
and?
@@Anudorini-Talah Not big pp...
I love memes and cheese builds, but tryhard Grubby in comeback mode after a bm gg is my favorite :).
Well played
May i know what "bm" means my good sir?
@@noelpena2947 bad manners
Also means . . . something that you need an outhouse for.
I stopped playing WC3 about 15 years ago, but still watch you play, your ability to make games fun have helped me keep playing other games but applying the same principle for a long, long time. Take care and thanks for keep posting after so long
You can simply play it for fun from time to time, host a custom map vs AI, there are some nice 4v4, or 3v3 maps. Let one random person join or invite, and play 2v4 normal ai, or 2v3/5, and what ever. If even 2v3 beats you, then simply reduce difficulty of some bots to easy (or vice versa add more bots). It can be quite fun and good games without (much) skill, and this modes make sure you can actually have some game. AI ws a always fun in RTS games, becaues you can set the difficulty and it can always be challenging but doable to realize something you have in mind. Kinda casually. Again the difficulty is totally adaptable. That being said it can add fun having experienced a vs humans game lately on such map (bad games) to then see the difference of playability. Like a cold coke at a hot day, you know.
And of course this is not for people who are strong pvpers seeking that extra challenge of a human enemy, this is for people who didn't play for some time, or i.e. perhaps only the campaign. The game offers a lot to experience some multiplayer like vibes without having to spend hundreds of hours. Also a human ally certainly adds the multiplayer atmosphere and teamplay for some time, either just casually or until you are better.
And why 3 to 5 enemies? Extra slashing, extra fun, aaand experience for heroes. Personal choice.
I personally always liked this to try out heroes(combos) and have them level high, more reliably but still with some thrill, when i was not playing the game actively (anymore). It's surprising how well some combos fare vs AI while others not at all. Or... I always liked this to simply to get an Army I want without getting rushed to death by Ghoul All-ins, Wyfern, or 3on1 in 4v4 hu games when I'm not even ready for 1v1. Side note: There are some cool youtubers who bring some real fun AI challenges to the screen.
PS: From playing casually these were also good times and actually raising skill effectively, over time, to beat human players in Versus. -> Treat it as a game! (= you decide!)
-> Profit.
I don't know how he managed to keep that SH alive and attacking on one side of the map while he micro'd his main army on the other. That's insane.
Hes G r u b b y
love this one because the guy early gg's ofc, and then he plays it out and slowly realizes he's losing more and more until he's absolutely lost, and then at the end he still thinks he thinks he's too aggressive/made mistakes, when in reality grubby said he knew he was going to win from before he even called the early gg. truly a difference in skill that the enemy doesn't even know - like a level of skill that you don't even realize how far apart you are.
i love when enemy cockiness is beyond roof and when you suddenly start to have very visible advantage they stay quiet whole game it make victories delicious ;)
4:45 where your SH had 3 hp and then when he recovered to like 10, you decided to click his footman to damage him, and then after a long run, you kill his footman. HILARIOUS. GG amazing comeback.
Haha, thanks!
The opponent in this game was not interested in beating you in terms of gameplay, but rather patience. They were not attacking your pieces on the board, but rather, you yourself. They wanted to destroy your resolve, and as such did whatever they could to lower your morale.
I imagine the 71% winrate comes from players who simply don't like having their time wasted, rather than Solitary being genuinely, "good" at the game.
Props to you, what a rude playstyle.
This is an old video, but I respectfully disagree. I have not played WC3 in over a decade but I get my competitive kicks in Mt:G.
What villain was doing is quite a legitimate strategy imo. He was using his superior mobility to drain Grubby's attention and micro. the "attention" trade was quite beneficial to the villain. Grubby proved better by creeping while beeing harrased - his 3 high-level heroes playing a crucial role in the later game - being extremely cost efficient. In later game Solitary didn't switch his approach - high mobility being less of a factor when he was on the back foot defending the cross spawn expo. He also had an under leveled MK. He wasn't in that bad of a situation in regards to economy - having his additional goldmines up - you can see that in his final resource score. I can't rightfully calculate how much he lost to upkeep though. In my (inexperienced) opinion, he failed to use his gryphons cost effectively late game, losing them quite often and not healing up the wounded ones. this resulted in him not getting that critical DPS where he could 1 or 2-shot a tower and get our Hero again strained to defend multiple points.
Wow! That was something!
Huge respect for surviving that long under the gryphon siege!
Thanks for the video!
"I'd be so impressed if he made tanks from aviary" lmao
This is what peak wc3 performance looks like @7:39
20:47 pro technique grubby you are a legend
He did it just to see if you were paying attention, congrats you passed the test
STUN OP;
Stunning towers needs to be nerfed asap
hahahaha
You are pulling me into playing this old legend of a game again, really nice gameplay!
Ah, nothing more satisfying in any 1v1 PC or console game then to beat up a cocky player, well done Grubby
This game made my day. Aggressive "GGs" deserves that
Daaaaamn, the tilt of Grubby in this one is legendary.
In France we say : "Never sell the bear's pelt before having killed it" ;)
i thought in France they say 'Never meet in the street with thousands of other Smurfs unless a global pandemic is happening'
@@starogre haha right now that's the thing yeah ^^
We have the same saying in norway 😃
I would've thought you said it in French.
@@edwardv1255 "Ne jamais vendre la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tué" ;)
Love when he reskills TC and just starts destroying everything with shockwave
This should be titled : "If you mess with the bull you get the horns"
24:56 it was this moment he knew he fked up
watching him desperately trying to defend his pride is extremely gratifying.
What a match. This is peak Grubby.
"[hesitant inhale] Everybody? I thought Europe WAS a country! /s" I don't know why but this one got me good hahaha
Yea, I agree. Saying "No offence, but ..." is no excuse to say shits to others and expect them not to be offended.
No offense Grubby, but I love your videos and you inspired me to pick up WC3 after having left it behind more than a decade ago.
Opponent: Calls gg
Grubby: Now, its personal
man that shadowhunter is raidboss.. defending solo!
No gg at the end :D
18:14 hahah I needed a laugh like that!
pure class in handling such "players". kudos Grubs
5:38 bruh that's sick
Its so satisfying to watch this guy absolutely rekt everyone
When someone says no offense, they may as well be saying "I'm so sorry" instead.
Here‘s the rundown of the Band of brothers：SH flips the mana pendant to TC，BAM a shockwave，then TC throw it to Alch，healing spray all over the place. Next thing you know，passed it back to SH，another Serpent ward pops out. dont mess with the pros😅
This is awesome! i always want to see someone play the headhunter
carma: Grubby faced cheesy opponent))
really nice game by the way, most players just gave up but you not only kept playing, you achieved victory
@I Am Who I Am ya ne govoru po russki)) Ya Ricardo Milos
That offensive guy makes me laughing
(SPOILER) 18:16 hahahaha kekw what a surprise. Remembering the he doesn't even have an expand, I thought the same thou, and it's funny how it makes sense somehow since his harrassing griffons could come over there. I really love to see this on pro play (vs pro player that played a goofy strat). PS: I love how the shadow turned out to be one great defender :))))))))))))
That was impressive
Man had 2 expos and couldn't do anything except run his mouth and fly around. Grubby sent his rude butt into solitary if he hasn't already.
Go go Grubby! xD Spread the justice trough the world!
Grubby the Grit Man
It's funny how way more people watch Grubby play WC3 ladder than play on WC3 ladder.. but then again not surprising, I'd never want to get matched up against that or close to it.
gg awakened the animal
Grubs just used his bankai lmao
i was playing a different game while i turned this on and I haven't played this game or seen anything of it for a long time so all i could hear was Yoda saying "work work work." etc
1000 likes for you. Nice comeback!!!
lost it at the advanced BM tauren
"I AM ABLE TO HELP"
early gg --> Grubby red eyes mod --> let's switch to shockwave, that was the key to win
I love these matches, great to teach people a lesson!
Jhiv vhi
Lol @FollowGrubby, when you walked into 1000 towers at his expo.
It's all fun and games until grubby plays with his mouth open.
Mouth open for a tough opponent
Mouth close for rolling over a BM player
Of all the people to bm! One of the wc3 GOATs! And of course he doesn't know who Grubby is or where he's from. What a scrub.
Grubby such a pleasure to watch you play. Haven't WC3 in over 15 years, but look forward to your games.
I've played against solitary before. He's always like that. Deadass just can't stfu.
I like this kind of video from you, never miss even one :)))))
you know he serious if grubby's eyes dont blink and mouth is open
Perserverence! No BM offensive "GGs"
He gg'd early because he know he will lose later
"mining lumber"
¨¨bzzzt DOES NOT COMPUTE
i've noticed something, grubby rarely looks to the mini map
gj legendary 4KGrubby
Grubby im from Taiwan and i love your video!
If he go tanks instead of grifs, maybe he would have a chance against player like grubby. Good game
Well done grub
Was that a B-24 joke about the flying tanks? Haaaa
18:18 All he needs is...
OH MY GOD!
its funny how he's only one hero yet you're out leveling him with 3
Taurens OP. Only 1 tauren with no upgrades is enough to comeback after gg.
00:00 - 25:07 Grubby at 10% power level
25:08 - 46:24 Grubby at 20% power level
this one was cool
fuunny video xD !!
why u didn't build wolf rider against griffons
(SPOILER)
It really seemed this guy didn't know what the "good game" prhase is used for afterall: 45:25 hehehe, a truly gg.
Can you do a keyboard cam video?
Why Dislike Grubby's Video?
Away with you sycophants.
Oh! I will wall myself more then! Are there tips for effective walling?
Proceed to wall your base and then produce your units into it. I did it recently and lost the game. Method proved efficient. :D
Yup. Don't. Towers are delayers, not blockers. There are always several ways under the sun to get rid of them. Esp. with a high level TC one book away from negating any amount of tower you can dream of. The guy should have gone a second hero early on, either BM or AM. At a point Grubby was 4/4/4 vs 4. It's like being 4 vs 6/5. Your going to die is all.
A switch to tank could have hurt real bad though, mb win.
to be fair the human practically had the game in the bag and then some he just stopped trying once the mains ran out of gold assuming grubby wont be able to come back with 0 bases vs 2 mining bases, if he just made a proper army instead of gryphons at that point he would have easily won
even if he built the proper army, he would have still lost. the difference in skill is fundamental.
@@multivact3729 yes and grubby completely failed to deal with the cheese. the burrows sniping harassment was beyond successful . grubby was sitting on 0 bases with no income units or any ability to defend further structure sniping and he only won because the other guy assumed he won and didnt bother to continue sniping the rest of the base or just building a basic army and a-moving the 3 units grubby had left
@@coryluso941 human having a near cap griffon so he cant make another army unless his griffon army died so of course he wont make another strat when he already ahead and he can expan so much in this tiny map to cut off opponent income. Grubby see that and he thought the only way to come back is have the heroes carry the game by stall for time in the base with shadow (high lv seprent ward) and grab as much item and exp as possible with other heroes and using supperior micro to victory. You can see the power of taurent with 2 glove and aura plus alchemist deal so much dmg to griffon and get ton of exp from it, by the end of the game these two become power house and lower the dmg to his army using link and AOE heal. I do see grub insight and mirco is totally worth the win
@@ngocphuongpham7763 have you watched the video at all? the gryphons were wiped out multiple times and were remade for no reason at all. grubby was down to 800 gold on 0 mining bases versus TWO heavily towered mining bases and with no catapults. the grpyhons did their job achieving that situation and should have stopped there transitioning to a land army to just defend these bases and make him waste his last 800g. grubby just barely managed to clear his natural with his last coins because instead of defending it human assumed the towers will be enough and kept making gryphons for no reason at all. also, i love grubby but his micro is mediocre at best and his biggest weakness is being stuck in old meta thinking and unable to adjust to strategies hes unfamiliar with such as this gryphon cheese that completely wrecked him
@@coryluso941 When you say it like that the one who didnt adjust is his opponent LoL. Grubby play for fun the first halve of the game and after that make a change in plan + tryhard that manage to win the game. He could actually beat the cheese because he predict the griffon when chat say opp going tank but he just said, nah i will just fight them head-on with the headhunter like it a joke, cus he not serious at that moment. He did play human alot and i dont think he dont consider the cheese but just roll with it
towernoob got rekt hahaha
Not going to rewatch but I thought I saw grubby type a single g. Maybe by accident?Shortly after opponent types gg thinking he had gotten a gg from grubby. I def could be wrong but that’s what I thought I saw.
It was 8.
Super Sayajin Grubby begins at 24:55
Sneccs carry
The number '66' Likes on this video sure looks GG to me
oh man I've played Solitary he is good
Grubby, what u gonna do if someone decide to send footmen with shield against your trolls?
he said gg before he won? before I watch
The last sub message, who is he referring to? who made fun of ToD?
20:47 did u stomp buildings xD
Economy < Elite Army
1isn't prime :)
why u don't play reforged?? is it that bad?
%5 game sound %95 greetings friends sound ı thnik you should close this sound
You are not a friend? :(
tough