Babylon 5 scene: He was a good man
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2013
- Scene from Babylon 5: Deconstruction of Falling Stars. (Season 4: Episode 22)
A moment during a debate taking place in 2362, a hundred years after the events of Babylon 5 - Фільми й анімація
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"It is the quiet ones who change the universe. The loud ones only take the credit." - Emperor Londo Molari
Wise ones know braggarts are usually pretenders.
This scene is all the more important now that Mira Furlan has passed beyond the Rim :(
I only found out about Mira a few days ago....I was gutted.
No...? 😭😭😭
"We will meet again in the place, where no shadows fall."
"You came just as far to say less."
Brilliant dialogue
To him she was curt. To her she was scolding but generous. And to the cynic she gave nothing.
saquist I live for the day i can drop that quote in a conversation.
I wanted Deleen to poke fat boy in the gut with her walking stick for being such a moron.
@@michaelweigel8253 I still believe she should use he iconic "you are infront of me".It's her signature!
Probably the nastiest burn in the entire series
I love the look Delenn gives the guy when he says"Of course, we would expect you to say that". It somehow managed to be "sad sternness" mixed with "Bitch, I will send a warship here".
Haha. "a" warship.
The stare broke him without her utterring a word.
"only one human has survived battle with a Mimbari. He is behind me....."
To me her eyes said " Bitch I whooped the ass of two of the most advanced spieces in the galaxy. What do you think I'm gonna do to you?"
@@wstavis3135 "Only human being had ever survived the battle with Minbari. He is beyond of the rim, you are in front of me. If you value you mouth, shut it up."
Anchor Man: "I've just been informed we have a security breach int he building, we're going to-"
*Bells chiming at the arrival of the wisest woman of the Babylon 5 era*
Delenn: ".......heard you were talking smack about my husband."
Humans in the room: "....awwwww shit...."
They are lucky that Susan was likely dead by that point. She would have given them a physical smackdown along with a verbal one.
Delenn was such an awesomely written and portrayed character, she commanded absolute respect and took absolutely no crap from anybody. THIS is how you create memorable characters Hollywood, it's a shame they've long forgotten the greats like Ellen Ripley, Delenn, and far too many to count.
Also, Hollywood wants strong powerful women? Here is one, Strong willed, powerful in wisdom and presence, why not talk about her? Oh I'm sorry, she doesn't parrot the victim mentality, they want her to talk about. This was started back when this series was ending, and is very prevalent now. especially the media and news falsifying headlines
After i don't know how many years i just realized the gravity of Delenns 'goodbye' there.
When they left B5 for Minbar she said that she does not use the word since Minbari culture does not have a similar word since they believe that they will always meet again, even if its in another life.
So her saying goodbye to them is like the ultimate declaration of disdain.
Nice of you to catch that
I just know that too...serriously ??
rawrou Good catch!
rawrou Wow, I missed that.
Even in "Sleeping in Light", she and Sheridan say 'goodnight' quite deliberately, even with Lorien's word that one day, he will simply stop. Very telling that here she chooses 'goodbye' instead.
Delenn: "Heard you were talking shit about John Sheridan."
"Like I wouldn't find out"
You do know that I stood up to "Gods" right?
@@patrickstivers7387 yep that stare from Delenn was "you're way above your pay grade bitches"
I love the stare she gives the guy who basically calls her a liar. Like it's saying: "Shut. Up."
@@jamesspring4610 "If you value your life...."
"That which you know you ignore because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent..."
Our current president...
@@brianhamer7273 That, or the Media coverage on him.
@@brianhamer7273 Joe Biden is not president yet
@@DK-zy5fm Doesn't apply to him MAGA lover
mega lover? I cant ever vote Joe Biden has never told the truth about any thing period.
This is one of Babylon 5’s greatest moments. Get past the fact that Delenn turns up at this exact moment. She delivers one of the most heartfelt and powerful speeches ever. How many of us would turn up for someone we hold dear and say nothing more than they were a decent human being.
This is true love.
And she was one-hunder-forty(140) yeats old.
Nothing mysterious about her turning up; lectures/debates/talkshows are usually scheduled and advertised in advance.
@@bjrneirikstrkersen1021 I thought maybe she entered the great machine after Draal left. would explain how she was instantly there at the right time and her extended lifespan.
Let's pretend she was standing by in hyperspace, watching other shows where they said pretty much the same thing, so decided to interrupt this one to say her piece.
Rest in peace, Mira Furlan.
I am saddened by the fact that this series did not get the recognition that it deserved. Yes, I was one of those that ignored it because I was (and still to some extent) a trekkie. It wasn't until a few years ago that I watched the series in its entirety when I realized what I missed.
The true greatness is that B5 can be watched for the first time or the hundredth time... anytime. It's points and depths are timeless. Like Shakespeare, JMS crafted an imagined existence that will never lose its value because humans will never lose their struggles to be human.
I would invite you to watch The Expanse. truly intelligent science fiction that doesn’t assume the audience is stupid and cannot put one and one together
I was and remain a Trekkie but also watched and still love B5 😊
@@kenwaid8239 Star Trek TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT, The Expanse, B5!
I would suggest that if the producers and fans didn't spend so much energy Trek-bashing, it might have gotten more viewers. It was a really good show, but I did not like its fanbase and they probably turned off a lot of Trekkers that would otherwise have watched it. There's room enough for many visions of the future.
What I like to imagine is what happened to these folks afterwards. They have built their careers on tearing down a legend, attacking something which cannot come back to attack them. Then presto, the a legend appears and smacks them down. I can just imagine universties saying "given your studies and recent events we fell it would be in all our best interests if you took your research elsewhere". NEVER attack legends. Legends have ways of fighting back, even when dead and gone. That's why they are legends.
J. Michael Straczynski clearly has no love for bloated egos of the news media back when he wrote the series. Unfortunately he's predictions about the media has come true all too soon.
Michael Weigel I found the John Sheridan character quite honourable however the plots were too centered around him. I preferred V 2009 series with multiple characters and plots interwoven together!
Congrats on the award for "comments that don't age well"
@@spaceclaw1958 ZOG!
Good point well made.
@Robertson Thirdly The truth always points to itself. And when you deny it, it come back to bite you.
Delenn pauses to consider if fat boy is worth the effort necessary to beat him into the next incarnation with her staff.
Michael Somers LOL THIS HAD ME ROLLING! Her facial expression just screams “eat shit bitch!!!”
:roflmao:
My impression was more: "Ruin my exit again shit-stain. SEE WHAT HAPPENS"
JMR8204 Something along the line of "You are in front of me."
i just LOVE how Delenn stops and looks at each of them and each just like children bow their heads in shame cause they know what they are doing is wrong and they got caught.
That look and the Minbari meaning of the word "Goodbye" is a deep stab.
I specifically looked to the comments to see if someone mentioned this. Her single "goodbye" implies she didn't expect or want to see them again, which would be a clear insult to another Mimbari. Only added to the level of chastisement.
pure ownage by Delenn, they couldn't even look her in the eye
Lightingwarrior That is because they know she was right.
It's like when your mother caught you in a lie and you know there is no getting out of it.
Nice to see that the heart behind "He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else." is still burning in her :D
And of course the obvious lie they are caught in is that stories of her being alive is just propaganda. She catches them in that lie just by turning up.
That actually reflects well on them. Their real-life equivalents don't have enough intellectual honesty or open-mindedness to even feel shame when caught making a false and unfounded allegation about someone. In real life, two professors like that would probably boldly meet Delenn's eyes and claim she's lying, or fooling herself, because they _know_ they're right. Even/especially if they're wrong. You only feel shame if you haven't fooled yourself and still have a sense of shame Delenn can appeal to.
By the way, this is a common TV trope for a real-life political controversy. The protagonist makes some logical point and, instead of arguing back, the antagonist is left speechless or filled with shame. In other words, the writer adopts the pose that either the opponent has never heard this argument before, or they know their side of the issue is wrong and they're intentionally lying out of greed or selfishness or something. Usually this is dishonest writing and indicates that it's the _screenwriter_ who either didn't bother doing the research or did and did but is being dishonest for propaganda purposes. In other word, the writer turns a debatable point into a mic drop moment, a _false_ mic drop because the straw man opponent should be able to answer but gives up because writing. Deployed on the Sheridan/Delenn issue, obviously the world works however JMS designed it so this critique doesn't apply, except in the sense that I see so many false mic drops in TV fiction, that even a genuine one doesn't feel as authentic as it should.
This episode should be required viewing for anyone studying media, history and politics.
Or who is stupid enough to try to host a Fox News show.
Not just fox.. pretty much every news organization nowadays.. Actually, that includes any information outlet.
Look into how many Fox News "opinion hosts" like Hannity and Carlson use the argument that they aren't journalists so they don't have to be held to that standard. I followed Fox for years, but at this point it's just nuts.
Your bias is showing. MSNBC is worse. And someone seeing this episode without all the story and struggle before and it'd mean nothing.
@@LordTalax Too true.
I've watched this many times. Ever single time ends up with tears running down my cheeks. JMS wrote the most perfect arc series ever and he never let anyone get in the way of the story. B5 will live forever as a pinnacle of how story can drive a show and elevate it far beyond its budget.
Faith manages........
Not just me then
Delenn was such an awesome character, A true paragon of true femininity and strength at its best.
Delenn was so graceful, kind and caring with an almost bottomless well of wisdom, but her strength of will, character and personality was just outstanding, for which she was a force you did not want to be on the wrong side of but the best of friends you could ever have on your side.
Delenn was the kindest and most generous person you could ever meet but equally the most terrifying of enemies when pushed or crossed, she was a force so powerful when messed with that entire empires would tremble or shatter.
I miss B5 so much.
THIS. She is one of my favorite fictional characters ever for all the reasons you stated!
And they say strong female characters do not exist. BS.
Fantastic character (so was Ivanova btw, though in a very different way), in part though because she wasn't quite so perfect. She could be deceptive and controlling. Sheridan went to Zha'hadum in part because he didn't totally trust her after she misled him about Anna's fate. Hers was the deciding vote to annihilate humanity after Dukhat's death; understandable under the circumstances but she never admitted to Sheridan what she had done. Over the course of the show, she became less certain that she knew best, but ironically this was part of her achieving true wisdom.
Much of her journey in the show was transforming from one kind of great leader to another, so it's much less obvious than that of the other characters who have more obvious character arcs. Also, the Minbari changed with her. They started the series thinking of themselves as junior-grade Vorlons in training: aloof, cryptic, self-righteous know-it-alls. By the end of the series, they were on the path to being true friends and partners with the other races of the galaxy. Through Sheridan and Delenn, they had grown enough to begin to be able to critique the Vorlons' behavior, and so were finally able to grow beyond just imitating their mentors.
"Never forget who I am, who I was, and what I can do"
and she was diminished and demeaned, not by men, or women, but the ignorance of the young. and she came out just to set the straight.
R.I.P. Mira Furlan. Godspeed.
To quote Kosh "The truth points to itself".
But understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth.
I quote that line often.
Does it fuck
This clip should be shown to every historian in training.
YESSS!
rasnac and also to damn politicians with delusions of grandeur
And UA-camrs that don't realize how often we do this.
I guess in the B5 future, history will not even be written by the victors; it will be written by the ignorant. :(
Bro do you have any idea how incredibly shitty history would be
So many moments I want to say are the best. But every time I see this it blows them all out of the water.
After just insisting she was long dead, the woman appears. Just by standing there she proves everything they said was wrong. And that is before she spoke a single word. And then he's so stupid he actually calls her a liar.
And the sad reality is that it's totally real. You see the same thing happen every day. Everyone should be required to watch this. It perfectly shows you why you should never accept what you hear on TV at face value. Everything is being spun.
The look Delenn, gives the guy when he says, “of course, I would expect you to say that” seems to say, “You stand before me. If you value your life, be somewhere else.”
Pundits:- Sheridan was a monster, killer, tyrant...
Delenn (driving past studio):- Driver, stop the car... I got me some Minbari verbal ass whooping to give out
I love the way she turns at 3:45 and tells the commentator to STFU without saying a word.
Grandma Delenn was 'bout to throw them hands
"YOU are seriously saying that to MY face?!"
Delenn once said there is no Minbari word for "Goodbye". So, for her, saying it to someone else is probably the biggest insult/curse word a Minbari can give.🤣
Obviously network news hasn't changed much.
I think this is more of a dig at revisionist historians and academics who try to stir things up for grant money and prestige.
You mean like Fox News? They revise history that happened only hours before.
No Jason the people that want to rewrite history to suit their needs, you know like certain people who want to "decolonize education", or others like that who want to find their biases reflected in it.
Had that discussion with a family member who staunchly claimed that the guy who invented flight as a Morrocean muslim, which is based on singularly weak evidence, an allusion in a poem, and by the looks of it, it was more dumb luck than anything else that he survived his first "experiment"!
As for Lord Munchkin, that your either what I hate or clinically dead is exactly the same thought process as to what this scene and Coriolis criticise.
They follow the dollars. That's how it is.
CNN persists apparently. Fake news lives like a virus
Thank you, Mira, for Delenn's most realistically reflective speech. Babylon 5 like Star Trek had futuristic parallels about our contemporary world. The beautiful love between Delenn and Sheridan was always at the heart of Babylon 5's universe for me.
Agreed, well said!
“WOO-HOO”
And now... RIP... =/
The one after this was even better. The part where Garabaldi kicks ass even though he is long dead.
RIP Jerry.
Eric Taylor Even a copy of Garibaldi is too much for bad guys to handle.
GARIBALDI: The thing about holograms is that we don't exist, except as patterns of light, shadow, information. And I have a knack for cracking system codes, so while you were busy downloading the New World Order into me, I was watching the system work. I know where it comes in, and where it goes out. And I recorded this conversation. Broadcast the whole damned thing. So the enemy knows what you have in mind, Danny. Hmm... their missiles are probably halfway here by now.
DANIEL: You're lying!
GARIBALDI: Holograms don't lie, Danny Boy.
DANIEL: Computer! End simulation!
DANIEL: End simulation!!
GARIBALDI: Whoops! Guess the system's busy! According to your records, they are more humanitarian than you are, so they'll probably only target your military and research facilities. This place IS on a military base, isn't it?
DANIEL: NOOOOO!!!
GARIBALDI: Rest easy, friends. Rest easy.
Garibaldi's Finest Hour, without a doubt.
@@stevenmorton298 SM, could not agree with you more.
The personification of being buried upside down and that moment when you realize, "I think I just honored his request."
I never sympathized with Biron. Arrogant *sshole he was, and he made himself and many of the telepaths martyrs. When he humiliated Garibaldi, I was disgusted. Garibaldi was right and Biron was wrong, yet he used his powers to violate Garibaldi in every possible way, and I am sure Biron knew how screwed Garibaldi was because of ANOTHER telepath (Bester). Instead of helping him, Biron just spat in his face. I was not sorry for Biron when he was offed.
Delenn's look at the end was simply some one follow me so I can teach, and not a single one had the courage you could see the disappointment in her eyes, amazing acting
Bittersweet, profound, moving, scolding, and educating... All in so few words and looks that speak volumes. Her character of Delenn is one of the most powerful in presence I've ever seen.
I love that Delen says goodbye. Minbari have no word for goodbye, so this was her dismissing them and ending the conversation.
Very powerful episode. So many parallels with what we see today and they occurred throughout the series. Alternative history, fake news, and convenient denial of fact.
the sad part is, a lot of people see it goes one way....then denies the other half. The reality is a lot of this goes both ways and the only ones who try to convince the other are those who are in power who find the truth an inconvenience.
@@grygaming5519 ...and the lies even more convenient.
@@Reoh0z the lies and liars are closer to prison every day. Jack Smith is in town.
Perhaps it came out at the wrong time: the 1990s, because it referenced the rise of fascism in the 1930s. It wasn't until around 2015 that the worldwide movement to elect far-right authoritarian leaders really took off, perhaps following Putin: Brexit leaders in UK, Bolsonaro of Brazil, Modi of India, Orbán of Hungary, Lukashenko of Belarus, Duturte of the Philippines, Netanyahu in Israel, and Trump in US.
_Star Trek_ talked about the rise of "supermen" like Khan who took over a number of countries, but then squabbled amongst themselves. There was a "war to end tyranny," as Spock called it, to get rid of them. That could have been an interesting spinoff movie or something, having relevance to the movement I just described.
@sandal_thong8631
Sorry, mate. I cannot agree with all of your comments.
140 years old, still can shut people up with just a look.
OneBigBugga That look. "I have lived more in one year than you have your entire life. Shut up or you will be schooled." Priceless 🤣
Just like me Nan and her stick :)
140 years old, and still able to silence arrogant, pompous idiots with only a look. Damn. 😯
She just stares in pity and disgust at these lesser beings.
They know what they are.
Why not.
In no way could this series be remade and be found to be better. These actors and writers worked perfectly together in every manner!
100% agreed!
Oh they WILL remake it when they run out of all else to desecrate, but they will fail. No matter how good and shiny CGI they put into it, the original will maintain THE STORY.
Hollywood disagrees... cast is not diverse enough and there isn't enough of hatred toward normality.
"The more you speak, the less you say."
Morlok vestai Kurak
"The young never heed the old, and are doomed to repeat the cycle."
Dethlok, Morlok's child.
RIP Mira Furlan, gone 'beyond the rim' to join the rest of the cast of B5 who have left us way too soon
I just watched this scene for the first time in a long time...It's truly amazing how this scene truly fits so many "academics" and so called "educated" talking heads today.
reminds me of how a lot of tell all books come out after a person dies and can NOT defend themselfs
5 years after you wrote this comment and it's just getting worse. The "learned ones" are ever more vocal, ignorant, and duplicitous.
Oddly enough. Genuine academics and educated people tend to have too much things to do to go on shows like this. A good example is the Brexit disaster in UK. Before the referendum. Most expects, academics and even lay people with some knowledge in the technical aspect to international trade, knew it would be a disaster. The UK media have a lot of 2 side discussions on TV, and watch enough of them, you can see a trend. The Remainers, generally have a lot of different expects, from different places, and backgrounds. The Leave side, are often all the same set of people, from usually the same few Euro-sceptic organization and think tanks. Most expects and academics are usually too busy to talk on TV. Those from think tanks etc. aren't, because they are paid specifically to go on TV to market dubious ideas, it's their entire career. In academia, only a rare few people are suited to go on TV, that's why there are often so few of them anyone has ever heard of. So 'talking heads' and academics don't really go together.
RIP Mia we will miss you :(
"You do not wish to know anything, you wish only to speak. That which you know, you ignore, because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent."
So true, of some modern academics as well.
+Don Haka Indeed we have this Palme cult here now, however the people that were actually there does not agree, but they do not care.
+Don Haka many so called professionals are like that..they say something is so because they don't know..and when someone offers a different view they put down....these characters in this scene.....ooooooooh how i despised them because they reflect so much of some people today
+john banks they reflect ill of our society. When religion pretends to be science, it distorts our understanding. When stories are told instead of real events our faith becomes a lie. All this to paint over the true nature of our affairs, we lose our hold on reality.
It seems innocent, but it eventually costs peoples health, standards of living, education, and even life. A lie can do so much damage to society, and even more so when fanatics are born from it.
You don't know what you are talking about and your comment is non-sensical. Religion and science are and always have been and always will be very intertwined to the point of being a singular ideology, virtually all scientists made public state having spiritual or religious beliefs and enter scientific realms to further such understanding. Likewise religious clergy and religious people in general, hold the highest levels of education on the planet and many clergy hold top positions in scientific circles. Both science and religion are both two of the rational and intellectual sides of the same coin, both seeking the meaning of existence etc. Try having a more open-minded rational and objective mindset. It will make you a better person.
joe danns Religion and Science are two separate entities. One is study of faith outside existence, the other is the study of our living in existence. They are not the same and should never mix. It's a fallacy to pass one off as another.
Oh my God, how powerful this clip is and how relevant especially in todays world of social media and lies
Gram-gram Delenn is disappointed in you, children. No cookies tonight.
E100Omega123 now ...that was gold
A monumental end scene. Such superlative writing and acting. Babylon 5 is amongst the finest shows ever produced.
Babylon 5's continuity is the most impressive I've ever seen in television.
The "if you value your lives, be somewhere else!" scene, the "End this!" Destruction of the Drakh mothership scene and this one tell you one very important thing to remember when dealing with Delenn. Threaten or insult the people she cares about or views as innocent and you are dead meat. No second chances.
theses 3 academics remind me of something Londo once said "it is the quiet ones that change the universe it is the loud ones that take the credit"
The part I love, None of them had the courage to follow through, when someone was there, to actually hold them accountable for their words. This is the same, as our current cowardly media today. Spit shit out and claim it's the truth, but the reality is, none of it is being held accountable to
1. If she could live that long as a half breed, then damn does she have some strong genes.
2. Grandma or not, Delenn is still capable of staring, shaming, and lecturing you into silence with either a glare or barely raising her voice. Now THAT'S impressive. That look on those "academics"' faces was just, PRICELESS.
I will say though. Sheridan never catches a break. It's like ppl are so jealous of the guy that they will go out of their way to make him look like space Hitler or something. Okay, yeah he wasn't perfect and had his flaws, and he was something of a control freak.... but like Delenn said, he was a good man. Plus, I think anybody willing and able to drop a nuke on himself to save his friends and end the Shadow War, on top of literally willing himself not to die until he could be with the love of his life for even one second longer deserves a lot more than... this.
The reason she probably lived that long is because she's a half-breed. Hybrids tend to be more hearty than either of their parents.
@@ronniemaclaine5234 We don't really know how long normal Minbari live. It could be longer or about the same or less.
To be fair most of what Sheridan went through is seemingly so outlandish that a lot of people wouldn't believe it, and Sheridan himself wouldn't probably waste time trying to convince people that he had died and then been brought back from the dead by the oldest sentient lifeform in the galaxy/universe. Or met Jack the Ripper. Or that the Vorlons look like angels. Or that beyond hyperspace there's another dimension of incomprehensible alien nightmares wanting to bust into our universe to destroy us all.
But of course the stuff they fixate on is his actual tangible accomplishments and tearing him/them down. Luckily his other half was still around to set them straight on the points that mattered the most.
All these years later with all the advancements in CGI and effects, and we get current Star Trek and Star War's that can't tell a fraction of a this kind of epic story like this show did.
This scene is so relevant to the world we live in today.
Even more so after the fall of Kabul in August of 2021.
To me this wasn't some grand girl-boss own on Deleen's part, neither was it meant to be. This is sad. This is an old woman watching with hurt in her eyes as the children of the people her and her husband gave their whole lives for spit on their legacy for petty self-interest. A heartbroken woman, weary from what time has wrought, giving one final word of harsh truth to a generation of ingrates before leaving them to the self-destructive path which she knows they are dead set on walking. I feel so much pity for her to have lived so long to see all they had loved and fought for decay and turn to ash. Lorien truly wasn't wrong about the curse of immortality, and while she may not be immortal as he had been (thankfully), her long lifespan had still doomed he to watch on as humanity forgot all about them and the day arrived that their memory would be mocked. She never deserved to see that.
Very well said. Thank you for sharing. I hadn't thought about it that way. (Especially about Delenn's long lifespan)
That's probably the most accurate summation of this scene in a nutshell. People like her sacrificed so much for a bright future for the following generations only for those generations to mock them and downplay those sacrifices. It'd be like going to Arlington and pissing on the graves.
America 2024
utterly profound, sleep in light mira, 2021 misses you
This, in my opinion, is the best episode of Babylon 5..Period.
The Deconstruction of Falling Stars is perfect in the idea of history repeating and being learnt, forgotten, distorted and learnt again. This clip is a prime example, that despite 100 years of relative peace, brought about by Sheridan and the major players of the Alliance, what has been learnt has quickly become distorted and forgotten. It makes sense to assume that after Delenn leaves, her words are 'deconstructed somewhat over the next 400 years by the future historians and to mean other than what was said. This is evident by the Orwellian future clip later on and it's consequence - The post great burn scene. We never find out how long it takes from 3262 for Earth to rebuild though it is implied that it will be many thousands of years.
Emphasis on the word "deconstruction."
I'd say it's not so much a matter of events being forgotten after a century, rather more a matter of the revisionists setting to work, just like they do in our own time today. You'd have to figure that, in this scene, most of the serious, thoughtful, and accurate scholarship about Sheridan was long since done, the definitive biographies already written. Maybe some of it had to wait fifty years or more for certain documents to be declassified and become available to scholars, but by the time of these scene, that's all been done. And if "publish or perish" is as real a thing in academia in this future history as it is in our own present day, then the only way for scholars studying this period to make their marks would be for them to "deconstruct" much of the history that's already been written.
It’s happening today. America has freedom and economic benefits that none others have had and you have students at Ivy League schools saying how they are victims. They do not know what it is to be a victim and oppressed. They spit on the graves of those to give us these freedoms and seek us to be like other slave/master governments like the communists.
It's such an irony that one of the best episodes of the serious was written as filler. Originally Sleeping in Light was suppose to air here hence why Sleeping in Light doesn't mention Season 5 events. But TNT came in and with a Season 5 guaranteed Sleeping in Light was held over and The Deconstruction of Falling Stars was written to take it's place.
@@trying3841 oh fuck off asshole, you think the messages of babylon 5 was linked to being a fucking right winger?
twitter.com/straczynski/status/986502756700569600?s=20
As a liberal who had listened to conservative talk radio for almost two decades, THEY are the definition of false narratives and revisionism to the core.
I bet you think star trek was about free market capitalism too. Dumb fucking right wing hicks poison every fucking thing they touch, they have not built jack shit, and yet want to claim the universe as deriving from the filth they produce.
Joanne Takahashi was a good actor in this episode. She really made me feel the fury that I have for her character.
+jutau Meh. At least *she* was smart enough to know you don't give lip to Mrs. "If You Value Your Lives, Be Somewhere Else."
hahahaha
It pissed me off to see these "experts" badmouth Sheridan after all he did for Earth and Humanity. If it wasn't for him, Earth and Humanity would've either been wiped out by the Vorlons or become like the Dilgar and gotten itself wiped out in wars.....
I mean, look at real life. It happens all the time
3:44 Delenn be like: "So you know my husband better than his own wife?"
one knows he´s in deep shit when Delenn comes to you herself in person, gives you extremely polite dressing down and then says goodbye, which Minbari would NEVER USE..
This and the "He is behind me, you are infront of me" are probably the two best speeches in world-wide television history.
And both are done by Delenn.
THAT, is how you make a strong female character, respected by millions all over the world, loved by even more.
100% agreed!
Delenn was generous to the woman historian, who was sincerely thrilled. That young woman will spend decades meditating on the scolding that she got from Delenn, and come out a better person. How kind of Delenn.
She was of a generation that didn't witness any of what Delenn did. It's understandable that she and others like her can't see what happened for what it was, but if they can't respect what happened then they don't deserve be called scholars or historians.
"That which you know, you ignore, because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent" So much today as in any day.
Deleen just described twitter.
I feel that this is the equivalent to the Dalai Lama walking in on an opinionated UA-camr.
What does it for me...is the look Delenn gave the academic when he said he expected her to say that...It moved me as a child but now as a married adult...I understand that look...
RIP Mira... Beyond the rim before your time...
I'm disappointed by how Delenn's words have turned into partisan bashing in the comments. I think the point is being missed. None of it matters; all that matters is that one person is good and kind. If we can't follow that example, then we've missed the entire point of Babylon 5.
Ie conan the barbarian
No one will remember ...
Get used to it. The clip shows 'academics' talking on a clearly biased program, trying to paint Sheridan in a particular light. And remember that this was not that long after Earth was defeated by Sheridan's Alliance to stop Clark. Negative feelings toward the man were likely still strong for Earthers.
And in the series, this was not the first time this happened, especially from government controlled media. Today, several countries have "news" and media sources that act as propaganda for a party or government. It is quite common, even in the USA. Fox News, Newsmax and OAN all are extremely partisan media sources, so much so that left leaning ones have sprung up to counterbalance them. And they all paint people in unbalanced, incorrect lights.
People have noticed. People are mad about it. Just like Delenn. And wish they could just walk in and tell them off.
I LOVE this scene.
Delenn was, and still is, one of my favorite characters in this series for a reason.
When she appears from the dark....gives me chills :)
_"There's so much more we'd like to ask you. So much more we'd like to know."_
_"You do not wish to know anything. You wish only to speak."_
And this sums up network news perfectly. Their corporate masters have already decided exactly what they're going to talk about.
Hannity.
@@weedeater62 Hanity, Cuomo. Does not mater the face on the screen nor the network they represent nor the suposed political team they bat for. There's always someone at the top that has decided what the "Truth" is and what they will feed to their viewers. That truth only rarely has more than the loosest correlation to what the reality is.
"That which you know, you ignore. That which you do not know, you invent." -- Motto of much of today's "free" press.
There's too much money involved these days for anything about it to be truly free anymore. News is curated according to financial and political interests in order to generate profits and manipulate the populace. You can't take anything in the news at face value, you always need to research it yourself from multiple sources. Listen to both sides and the truth is usually somewhere slightly left of the middle. Conservative media tends to use "seeds of truth" to sell bigger lies, and liberal media tends to distort the truth to spin it how they want you to see it.
My gosh, that was so prescient. We are bombarded every day by fools such as these. They seemed stunned at the end but I am sure that will soon pass.
A very astute observation of how official experts and historians work .... this happens now whether people know it or not. Experts supported by accepted institutions of society will say what supports the views of current society ..... I love the lines "you came all this way just to say that? ...... and Delenn's reply "you came just as far to say less" .... and then the "of course we would expect you to say that... we....." ! and Delenn's look ... shot him down without even a need to argue!!!
At the end, that glare. "I am here. Do you dare ask and learn, or only hang your head in shame." Their own silence was her condemnation of them.
Her 'goodbye' told them all they needed to know!
Noone believed that Richard III was a hunchback. Everyone assumed he was simply portrayed as such by his enemies. And then we found his bones underneath a car park, and he was hunchbacked.
And yet people at all levels continue to lie about their adversaries.
Scoliosis is not hunchbacked.
"Hunchbacked" conjures up the image of a person slumped forward and has a hump on the back. Richard's lower spine was twisted, but he didn't slump forward, so he had no hump. We were lucky to find someone who had the same spinal deformity so we could easily see how he would look posture-wise.
So...
Neither was wrong.
Yeah, it was an amazing scene. One of my many favorites in the series. Mira Furlann played this role so convincing, I felt myself thinking that she was really that old.
Thank you for your comments. I really appreciate it. :)
For a moment, I forgot that I wasn't watching a real news channel.
And the intellectuals try to rewrite history for their own purposes. True now and true in the future.
Intellectuals, really?
Examples please
I will some examples of history that was repaired. Nazi Germany saying pure blooded Germans descended from a White Master Race of Aryans that hailed from Northern India, Jesus was white, the Internet and Transistors were built by Capitalism (when socialism built them), Marijuana is more dangerous than Alcohol,
funny, I didn't realize John Bardeen, Walter Brattain, and William Shockley were commies...
Never would have though it possible back in the 90s, but our media today, 30 years later, sounds exactly like these guys and is about as accurate.
They live in an echo-chamber, not realizing just how many people aren't listening to them or taking them seriously.
this is the sort of thing that makes you hate "news" and "network news" people who know they cannot be called to account for their words because the people they talk about are gone..they got those types of characters perfectly done here
This should be a video required for all those who are the keepers of history.
What Delenn said is the perfect description of the so-called pundits on TV.
Charles W on both sides of the spectrum. And im a Trump guy saying that lol
@Jonny B suuuuure.lol
R.I.P. Mira Furlan
Years later seeing this scene again, I remember it differently. Delenn was way angrier before, invading the studio by force. Funny how memory works.
I don't know if it's been said already, but the Membari don't have an equivalent word for 'good bye' it's something Delenn had to learn from humans since all Membari believe they will see each other again. For her to tell them 'good bye' it's like telling them that she hopes she never sees them ever again.
A single word to show her disdain for them. A single slap with a velvet glove.
I love that she stuck it to them before the burn.
Delenn..bashing space news like it's Sunday.. NEWS NEVER CHANGE
Scary how he predicted todays media.
Delenn - had every day for the last 81 years got up before dawn to watch the sun rise ....
Somethings never change.
If Delenn would've backhanded the fatboy I would've literally pissed myself and Died Laughing!
Her look was far more eloquent than a blow. There was no anger, only contempt.
Damn. I forgot about this scene. Time to pull out the dvd's. Gonna have me a B5 weekend.
Zholla Mychalis it's been 8 months. Are you done yet? 😄😁😄
I watched the entire show years ago and I ordered the Babylon 5 Complete Collection last month. I've made it to Episode 6 of Season 4. Great stuff!
Best weekend ever :)
"Goodbye."
The Minbari phrase meaning "FU".
You say without thinking and you believe without knowing.
Modern media and academia in a nutshell.
This show was so full of wisdom, and warnings.
Someone's talking about subjects they know nothing about. Ironic.
Well! That is all their careers' over!
Michael Wadeson Sadly, no it wasn't. It just got spun.
No matter how well you can own the talking heads, they still own the editing rights. Only way to do it right is have one camera they own and one that you own, and have a wide enough platform that everybody sees..
I think all people who speak publicly on issues for others to hear (including myself in this instance) should be requested to watch this clip one time a week.
The timelessness and brilliance of this scene are obvious then, now, forever. Shut them all down with a word.
The Minbari have a formal structure of culture and language that I assume emphasises politeness. Their salutations have very clear meanings, and are probably somewhat long-winded, and are usually meant to convey a wish of the speaker to see or meet another at some point again, preferably soon. And not just the desire to see another again, but probably also that their life is now better for having interacted with them.
In contrast, Human languages are considerably shorter. Things like "goodbye" or "good day" are short and have a final and lasting sense to them, depending on how you say it. It also says nothing for how the speaker was impacted by the interaction. So saying "goodbye" to an English-speaking Minbari is, at-best, confusing as they may think "Um... Are we not going to meet again? I liked you..." and, at-worst, insulting as they may take it as "What? You don't want to see me again?! How rude!" The way this might be counteracted would only be to explicitly say how you feel first, as in, "I'm really glad to have you, (Delenn, for example.) I cherished our time togerher, and I hope we can meet again. Goodbye." But most people would find this to be an awkward way to depart with another, at-least for most Humans. I think a Minbari would appreciate, "Goodbye - I hope we meet again!" since it conveys it just as well, especially in one-time interactions where it's understood that you may not actually meet again considering many Humans don't often buy into the same reincarnation beliefs as a Minbari.
So, to a Minbari that values such cultural traits like Delenn, saying "Goodbye" to these people is probably the most insulting thing she could say short of "I no longer wish speak to or see you ever again!" Delenn seemed to be culturally aware enough Humans to know that to simply turn your back and leave is an even more insulting gesture, but it lacks finality.
This is Delenn speaking - when this woman speaks it is the truth! (since Minbari don't lie - unless for honour). She states the facts and leaves. Then she does the ultimate insult "goodbye" - there is no Minbari farewell - ever saying of their's has a meaning for later - in this life or the next. For her to say "Good bye" like that is the ultimate insult. She has stated she won't see them again in this life or the next! They are no longer worthy to travel with her soul. Ouch
Wish we had a Delenn that could have that same chat with the news networks today. Looking back we, even then, had an idea where "news"was going.
Mira is now beyond the rim with all her loved ones.