Dave's Bitter Australian Lager - Grain to Glass - VB Tooheys KB XXXX Gold Carlton Draught
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Thanks for doing this recipe mate. Like u said. Every time someone mentioned brewing a VB or XXXX or anything like that on a homebrew page they are told to piss in a bottle or leave it in the sun for a week. I love hop bombs as much as the next home brewer but I also love tipping a few aussie lagers after mowing the lawn. Thanks again 👍
Cheers Tyrone!
What a legend thing to do Gash! Rest in peace Dave, may you have an endless supply of Dave's Bitter.
Cheers Mick!
You coined the best brewers line yet, "Just brew the beer and drink it." Your brilliant.
I should put it on a T-Shirt lol Cheers!
Yeah, I love it when someone on Facebook asks for a VB or GN clone recipe and half the responses are "try passing into a glass". Beer snobbery at its best!
Exactly! Cheers mate!
I'm one of those people that have been roasted for asking how to make this but I really don't see why, every time I have one of those big Aussie lagers I think "This would be good if it were fresher, less preservatives and all that" And thanks to you I believe I can do it.
Cheers mate! Thanks for watching!
Great video. Perfect beer for when guest come over and want your standard Australian Draught beer.
Brilliant tribute to your mate Dave well done. Last summer the first year of my POR hops I got 293g so I brewed the Coopers Pale clone off the cellardwellar site but reduced the bittering and threw in the 293g wet hops at 15mins in a BIAB bag and pulled them out at flame out. It tasted like the Melbourne Bitter of old, one of the best crushable beers I've brewed and it was even well received at the local beer club (BAD Brewers - Bendigo and Districts). Dave's Bitter is going on my list to brew this summer, cheers.
Great story, cheers mate!
Hi Gash its been about one month to glass thankyou mate best brew i have made so far i like it better than Carlton dry ripper brew couple weeks i will have one with corn as well i like it just a little dry
Great video and thanks for the hat. Cheers, Pierre
Cheers mate!
Looks great. Always good to see people drinking lagers. Your a legend mate cheers.
Thanks and cheers mate!
Cheers mate! Sometimes the simplist beers are the best. If I ever make it out of the states and back to Australia I'm going to look you up for a few pints!
Sounds great! I'm waiting, cheers lol
nice! Cheers Dave from an old New drinker .
Great video. Just bought a 35ltr brewzilla and have been watching all your videos which have been a big help before I use it for the first time. How would you use cluster to make it more like xxxx. Thanks.
I’m here in the US and it’s been a while since I’ve had a Aussie bitter. Awesome!
Cheers Trev!
@@HomeBrewNetwork Any chance you have the XXXX gold all grain recipe?
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Hey mate, I noticed in the recipe you have a 10 minute addition as well as a hopstand. There’s no mention of an amount of hops for the hopstand. Cheers
cheers from the states Gash. I noticed you no longer use the overflow pipe in your brewzilla. I'll be brewing this Australian lager very soon.
Havent used it for a long time, years, even it it was still installed I didnt use it, it was capped off. Cheers!!
I met a guy who was a career brewer who worked for lion Nathan in Sydney brewing tooheys. I remember in a conversation we had about tooheys v VB he told me that VB was shit because they didn't use real hops but tooheys did! He reckoned the isohop they used was rubbish! Anyway it was a good conversation, he gave me a lot of insight into both tooheys and malt shovel and Hahn breweries as well as the industry in general
Good stuff mate! Had a few convos myself like that, always learn something! Cheers!
Good video mate love to try that
Gash , you're the Pride of Point Cook ! Good on ya cob 👍
I try hahaha. Cheers!
still laughing at the Vb, morning mouth feel, was Westend draught for us, but same hop I believe, add to that the packet durries you smoked and it must ave been a great night…..cheers mate
hahaha yes, dont miss the durries, well sometimes I do just not in the morning, cheers mate
I had many a great night in my early twenties that involved a dozen or more VBs and a packet of winnie blues over a few games of pool at the local
Hey mate, been watching you’re videos for a while and just picked myself up a Brewzilla to delve into all grain and I’m going to try this recipe as my first attempt. Could I use just POR instead of super pride? I’m assuming it wouldn’t change the flavour too much?
"Frothin!" Cheers Gash, good stuff Dave's bitter looks the goods. Nice shirt too, you are right it's the same over here, I hear other brewers say "those beers are rubbish..." but you gotta ask yourself "why are these beers NZs top sellers 🤔🤣 funny thing is these days when I go to another brewery I look for a nice easy lager before I look for a big fruit forward ipa! Lol cheers Mate hope all is well with you, thanks for sharing 👌🍻🍻🍻
Good stuff, yeah I always try the lager or whatever they have, its a good indicator on their processes and how much they actually care about their beers, plus it goes alright with some tucker haha Cheers mate!
Could I have a link to the double batch video please?
Sorry for your loss mate.
Thanks mate!
Hi mate, I need some help getting a beer that doesn’t have a bitter aftertaste, do I have to go all grain, how hard is it? Thanks.
Awesome!
I never used finnings to recently and they make such a difference clarity in a day kind of removed that homebrewy taste
Yep they help thats for sure, cheers
Glorious looking drop.
Cheers mate!
"If someone thinks they can taste the difference in beer mashed at 65 or 66c, they deserve a medal or award..." classic RDWHAHB
How long did you wait for it to be ready to drink? I followed your recipe I’m on day 8 of ferment and it’s been finished for a few days now. Already tastes great. Will cold crash tomorrow for three days. Just not sure how long to wait until it’s ready for drinking. Cheers Gash. Love all your videos.
when ever you think, of course being a lager a little time will benefit it, but its up to your taste buds in the end!
I've been experimenting with this style for the last coupla years, after getting Peter Symons books, anyway before POR all they had was EKG, Fuggles (Straights) And Cluster, and the ones with the English hops are Superb, but to get that Aussie familiarity , bitter with pride and do staggered flavour additions with Straights . You'll be surprised at how good you can actually make these beers, I also use a bit of sugar@15 to dry them out for the Aussie style
Do you have a receipe?
@@Jarvo325 Best to buy the books, 6oclock Brews and Bronzed Brews by Peter Symons. You'll find recipes for Coopers Sparkling various years , I've even done the very 1st Pale Ale , I've done all the Boags, various others from Tooths etc, there is even a recipe for a late 1800's Cascade Pale Ale that won an award in England, and was about 75IBU back then just for a Paley
@@karlfromtas cool thanks, Im a big cascade collector, what book is that recipe in?
@@Jarvo325 @Random_Bsod I've had those books for a long time, but they dont really brew the beer of now, think maybe from memory the newest recipes are from the early 70s, but they are good books for sure and I read both cover to cover a couple of years ago, I did look over them before this recipe but I didnt need changing anything, I did have sugar lined up, but I was over my numbers already so didnt bother adding it, if you've seen my other videos I often add sugar just like they do in near all breweries, if a brewery says they don't they are probably lying.. As I mentioned yep cluster is a good choice, but I wanted that dank VB taste in this one, big POR lol If you were thinking of buying the books umm look they are quite similar but the last one has later beers in it at least to the 70s as mentioned the earlier book is mostly very very old recipes. They are worth a read if you're interested in historical brewing practices through the 1800- 1900s. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork Thanks Gash, do you think the sugar would make it more closer to style or didn't need it?
Great video mate!
Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers Ken!
Hahahah the start of the video soundtrack was amazing lol hahahhahaha
No expense spared here mate, lol Cheers!
good content gash lookin pretty good the beer cheers
Cheers Damian, thanks mate!
I do have one question gash. If you ferment under pressure and you intended to bottle it and bulk prime, is there a calculator that can determine what carbonation your beer has taken in if it was fermented say at 10psi and they work out how much priming sugar you would need?
I'd ferment under lower pressure, just a few psi. then I'd probably let it warm up to room temp and let 99.9% of the pressure out a few times a day, just for overnight and that why it will have bugger all carbonation, otherwise its not much more than a guess. If you must ferment at higher pressure I'd probably just one carb drop, I dont really recommend bulk priming for most beers, introduces oxygen most of the time.. but if you're trying to do it under pressure and in the fermzilla, im not sure how you make sure its mixed properly without shaking the bugger and then things are gunna get real messy.. Cheers! Maybe let me know what the complete plan was
Cheers Gash! Great vid mate
I bet you're sucking on a VB longy right now! lol Cheers mate!
Froffing video mate, and I hope you downed that half glass before getting up lol. Cheers mate 😎👍
hahaha yeah and refilled it a few times hahaha Cheers mate!
@@HomeBrewNetwork top man, cheers mate 😎👍
Hey Gash! What do you think the grain limit is for the Brewzilla 35l? I’ve got a recipe with 7.2kg of grain but not sure if the 35l brewzilla will cope??
Thats going to be a struggle, but you can probably do it probably start with 21L add grain and then top up with more water if it'll fit, but you know theres other ways, make a slightly small batch, do a longer boil, I would suggest for any big beer like that add some simple sugars any pro brewery would, Cheers!
good on you mate brewing a vb sorry to hear about your mate Dave love your video's gash
Cheers David!
Hey gash great video! You mention ferm cap a lot in your vids to keep foam down when coming up to boil. Can you tell me what this product actually is? Thanks man your vids are great!!
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Thanks mate I tried your hoo stomper clone it was great and gonna brew this one next week with a mate. We grew up on vb so should be fun :)
That classic morning after taste!
ewwwww hahaha cheers!
Hahaha, what ever do you mean. Lol.
@@HomeBrewNetwork you know you've had a good night when you wake up with the taste of pride of ringwood on your lips. I'll brew this soon. Cheers
I know its a long process but it is well worth it.
Cheers mate!
I have a heap of POR, could you use that instead for the first addition?
Sure I did in the first version, was fine, just didnt have enough for this version, Cheers!
Really nice pour that! How much beer line do you use?
Thanks, I use 2.5m of 4mm and serve about 14psi, I use a manifold on the gas lines that has one way valves in it because of this you raise the psi about 2psi, so without it it'd be set at 12psi. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork that’s brilliant just slightly longer than mine looks like, might try extending them a bit, think I’m using around 2m, cheers!
Do you think I'd be okay with mixing one pack of 34/70 and two packs of wyeast 2112 California lager?
PS: love the video its been a HUGE help!
Its not going to hurt, keep in mind 2112 isn't good for 13c probably ok for 15c.. 15c-16c might be a good choice. cheers! Drop the flavour add if you don't want that huge POR flavour. Cheers!
Awesome
Cheers mate, I made your coopers PA BE2 15min and 1min hop boil also did a steep.
Turned out super bitter and hoppy 💪😜🤙 probably not quite properly of ringwood bitter but been waking up with a great taste in my mouth haha
hmm shouldnt of been too bitter unless it wasn't cooled fairly fast, Cheers!
@The Home Brew Network Hey mate, how do you think this recipe would turn out using the new Novalager yeast?!
Yep worth a go for sure
Hi Gash, I made some of this recently. Not sure what I've done wrong, but it tastes quite dry/acidic but does have the nice VB after taste. I wonder if too much lactic acid. I also suspect that the LHBS gave me pale ale malt and not ale malt as very light in colour. Still very drinkable but something not quite right.
Hmm that’s an odd taste to get from that beer, ummm how much lactic? I don’t want to mention infection… maybe it needs some lagering??
Its pretty a basic recipe
@@HomeBrewNetwork true mate, it's getting better with age to be honest. I did use glycol chilled all rounder and stepped as per recipe.
@@mickholgate3347 These beers can do with a month or two lagering sometimes. Cheers Mick!
@@HomeBrewNetwork that's what it is then mate. I tried a week after cold crash and carbonation mate. Cheers Gash. It just tastes a bit dryer than i was expecting, its not an off flavour just very dry but seems to be mellowing over time.
Hey gash do you use a hop spider at all? I think it’s actually making my beers not as hoppy as they should be. Got any advice on that one? Could I just go without? What are the chances of pumps getting blocked ect cheers
I used to use them for 60min adds but by the time late adds came along it was probably too blocked up by then, some times I used grain bags or paint straining bags I found them much better than any hop sock or the like. I've never had a hop pump block ever, I'm not sure how people do it, I'm thinking they are pumping while boiling or something, I just dont know, I've done hundreds of brews and many hundreds of grams of hops in them and never had a pump block. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork so would there even be any real need for a grain bag ect other then the clean up? I’m going to give it a go this week without
VB is still the best in the world ! AND I am a blow in !
Very Best! :P
Thanks for doing a Aussie Lager. How close in taste was it to an Aussie Lager? I'm not fussed on the type of Aussie Lager just like to brew somthing that at least tastes like it. Cheers
Its just like them, well as i said this one is full of pride of ringwood so its sitting in the vb category if you use cluster and just do a 60 addition, or even pride of ringwood, but no flavour addition, it'll be like the lighter ones, maybe even drop the crystal if you want it more like a great northern or xxxx gold. Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetwork cheers I'm going to give it a go
How long was it in the keg before drinking?
Does Pride of Ringwood have any flavor? Someone told me it is that flavor you get in something like Carlton Dry, a herbal / woody flavor, does that sound right?
Yes POR does have flavor, as you say herbal/woody but also to me it has spicy/peppery notes. 10 - 15min bittering addition like Gash did in this brew will produce flavor and aroma.
Thanks Anthony. Cheers!
@@anthonysupheert3420 thanks
Great vid brother. Hail the Whale!
Cheers mate!
Hey mate, In your recipe you have 12g of super pride. Should I leave that out if I want more of a vb taste?
You need a bittering 60 min addition which ever you use, get that ibu up to 30 at least. You don't need the later flavour addition but make up the numbers in the 60 addition. Does that make sense?
Sweet, thanks mate!
you mentioned about people wanting to brew VB and getting mocked, I get this a lot, all of the Facebook groups have people in there talking about brewing hoppy ales, IPAs etc which I love, but I tend to get sick of the same beer and have been brewing German lagers, with Hallertau hops, something different, I asked a question and had about 20 blokes saying, "Why would you want to brew Lagers for? You might as well buy a slab of Macro Beer" but I'm not the only one, someone got on and asked about how to brew a Seltzer, My God the abuse, they accused him being gay, I no longer ask questions in facebook groups, they are just full of smart arse, know it all pricks and if you aren't brewing a IPA or a American pale ale clone, they want nothing to do with you
Yeah its a bit of a shit fight on social media mate, too much for the group administrators to keep up with most of the time. Cheers!
You can get it milking a cow, as a matter of fact I've got it now, Vic Bitter. RIP Dave. 🍻
Haahaha Cheers mate!
You missed the "for a hard earned thirst" :P
lol yes.. I did do the big brow wipe though... eeewwwwulphhh
I'm trying to find a recipe/ clone for Soutwark Lager. ( South Australia Green death) 😊 Can you help, please?
I've havent had anything to do with that beer unfortunately but I know some one who might... Cheers!
@The Home Brew Network thanks for your reply. I would appreciate it if you could assist!
Classic Love your intro ha ha!
gday Ben, you're the first one to mention it hahaha Cheers!
My theory is this.. anyone can brew a hoppy ale that taste good because you can hide mistakes and off flavours by adding more hops.. it takes a lot of attention to detail and patience to brew a clean, drinkable lager..
True! Cheers!
Great rendition of our national anthem!
Thank you very much hahaha
Thumbs up for Biofine.
works well, cheers!
Subscribed after the video due to the fact you're not a fuckwit snobby homebrewer. Doubt the hophead knob jockeys would tribute your mate the way you did. Legend👍👍👍👍
Mate where can I buy your shirt. I'm a Dave who loves vb
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Cheers!
Has Beefa sent you his recipe yet?
Yes, Cheers! share.brewfather.app/11MAi5iaCHeYAk
@@HomeBrewNetwork Awesome, Cheers to you and Beefa 🍻
Pantera?
lol nearly, Victoria Bitter theme music. Didnt want to get pinged for copyright Cheers!
I don't know if this video is informative or not because I couldn't get past the waffle and crap at the beginning of clip.
But here is my $0.002 worth;
If the VB is in very good condition it can be as good as any beer on the planet! I have had it about 12 times in the last 40 years but most of the time it's been done left on a truck in the sun too long... I gave up drinking it in the early 80s.