Justice Smith, Brigette Lundy-Paine, and Jane Schoenbrun on ‘Trans Allegory’ of ‘I Saw the TV Glow’
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- The “We’re All Going to the World’s Fair” director Schoenbrun is back at Sundance for the world premiere of A24’s “I Saw the TV Glow,” starring Justice Smith and Brigette Lundy-Paine. The trio dropped by the IndieWire Studio presented Dropbox to discuss the film, which centers on two ‘90s teenagers obsessed with a TV show and its mythology.
So excited for this movie. After "We're All Going to the World's Fair" came out I was on board for anything Jane Schoenbrun did. And this looks so wonderful. So excited to see Justice and Brigette in this!
I'm not trans and I've always been an advocate for trans rights but I've never been able to understand what it felt like to be trans. This movie was so personal and impactful in helping me understand what it must be like to live with this feeling and because of pure circumstances, not being able to understand what is going on inside. It's a funny line, but the line that stood out to me was when Owen was asked about his sexuality and he said, "I don't know, I think I just like TV shows." It really hit hard for me. So unsure of who they were because they had no concept of what being trans is that they can only relate to their sexuality through the Pink Opaque show.
i hate that this issue (for lack of a better word ugh) is seen in such a negative way. people are born differently then the “norm “ all the time (my daughters heart doesn’t work like others my identical twin boys have a small body part missing. not my business to say not noticeable)
some people are born with opposite body parts to their sexual preferences etc (as per understanding what and why ).... done .... why is someone’s sex or sexual preference so controversial. we aren’t here for people to discover if we are a possible sexual conquest 🤦♀️🤦♀️
as someone in the closet I cannot tell you how visceral this movie was for me. I don't think I'll ever stop thinking about this movie. I just watched it and I can't even think straight. I get how it would seem campy and silly to the outsider, but I felt pure horror and recognition.
As a trans person that line for me reminded me of so many actual conversations ive had before coming out, the immediate deflection and moving to another topic is so sadly real. Anyway i do think this is a great film for allies to understand a portion of the trans experience. This movie is about discovering that you're transgender or nonbinary, and the existential horror that comes with it.
Lmao i just needed to talk about it because ive cried multiple times today after watching this, it really means so much to me.
Maybe I'm projecting the fatigue and exasperation I'm reading on Jane and Brigette's faces, but goddamn this interviewer really refused to engage with the actual meaning of the film even when they repeatedly spelled it out for him
Hundo percent
I was just noticing how out of touch he was with what was going on and watching them reel him in was low key sad
The interviewer is literally the wow cool robot meme come to life, just completely misses the point entirely.
love thar brigette immediately corrected his goofy interpretation in the first question lmao
THANKYOU
This film was an etherially beautiful bittersweet expirience.
I had never felt more seen than after watching this.
They really captured that unsettling feeling that your life is wasting away and that no matter what you will always feel out of place just waiting for your life to happen.
When he screamed in front his dad and said “I’m not me” my heart ached cause I’ve known that anguish.
jane’s a genius
this was the most emotionally taxing movie i’ve seen in years, and i’m a straight, cis white man. i’m writing this comment 10 minutes after finishing my first watch of it, so i’m not even entirely sure why it moved me so much yet, but it did. Justice Smith’s performance in this is award worthy.
*Cracking noises?* Jk I think that's because this movie does an INCREDIBLE job of communicating that trapped, deeply compressed, heart tearing feeling us queer people go through repressing are tre selves from the world and just how quiet yet terrifying and dreadful it can be.
The plight of trans people is something we all experience to a lesser degree - if not about gender, we all have to figure out who we are and how we can exist in the world. We all need to deal with the separation between who society sees us as, who we feel we are inside, who we pretend to be and how we want to be going forward.
It's just that we are in the privileged position of being able to put our attention elsewhere.
It's actually trans peoples relateability I think, that makes them so persecuted. They remind others of things they would rather not deal with and have the privilege to ignore, where trans people cannot.
We are all transitioning in some sense, from children to adults, from who our parents think we are to who we really are, from religious upbringings into deconstruction, from political dogma to emancipating ideas... And so the trans experience is relatable to everyone.
Well, everyone sane.
Probably the most visually beautiful film I've ever seen
just watched this! Told my friend it gave me "buffy vibes" and now I see you mention it and feel validated
same same
really wondering if the interviewer actually watched the movie by his lack of understanding of the themes and basic plot of the movie 😭
I firmly agree that tiky toky doesn’t cause this kind of dissociative shifting - kids who don’t want to be themselves will find a way. That said mass social technology clearly changes and accelerates the worst and best of social problems! Phone bad, but we didn’t start the fire.
She didn't say tik tok caused it. She just mentioned it as an example of how people who need to dissociate will find a way
Brilliant film my god. Super relatable film to me as a 52 year old growing up in the 80's and 90's. Fantastic. Congrats! Loved the characters and the time spent getting to know them.
this movie is so visceral, i really really enjoyed it. damn.
Incredible film. What an amazing film director
Bridget Lundy could play Jimmy Page
The movie is not about what the interviewer said it was even on a surface level. That's not what happened to those characters. Within the reality of the films world, they _were_ the Pink Opaque and Owen and Maddie are imaginary.
Did this guy even watch the film?
Love this movie!
That movie was crazy but good
Lol shifting reference hitted hard, anyways there's how i shifted in marauders era...
Just watched Atypical....
Very good show. But I have to say I was really bumbed out when she broke her boyfriends heart. He's such a nice guy..
I just watched this movie. I need to sit with it for a bit. There were a couple things that stood out to me and i want to marinate on my connection with it.
SPOILER
When Owen cut himself open to see what was in him in a desperate attempt to escape the reality in which he was dying, then immediately covered it up with his uniform and began apologizing to everyone around him while wheezing and being ignored….really struck a cord with me. It’s such a sad yet honest visual representation of what it feels like to force yourself into a role to appease the world around you even when you feel like the real you is suffocating. Or at least, that’s my interpretation
A really good film best enjoyed as anything other than a "trans allegory."
come on....
I'm not sure how the movie is promoting acceptance. It's just a movie. I watched it in it's entirety, and found it interesting. I do not see any acceptance from it. I do, however, see the movie plot line.
the lack of acceptance within the movie itself and how that effects its characters is proof of why acceptance is important. it’s also about self acceptance, Owen is in denial about himself the entire movie and winds up completely lost as like a 40 year old. If he had been able to accept himself, he would’ve never reached that breaking point
@@CjH02222 But how is it about being trans? I've read an article where it's supposedly about being transgender and accepting that, but I don't see that in the movie at all.
@@DJVidesothe show represents him and Maddy’s ‘real life’ as queer people (Maddy being gay and Owen being trans.) They both fixate on the show as teenagers because it is showing them who they should really be and it gives them an escape. Maddy running away and and putting herself through hardship in order to come out the other side as her true self mirrors the experience of a gay person running away from an unaccepting home or town and risking homelessness and even death in order to live as their true self. But Owen was too sheltered to recognize that he was also meant to be in the pink opaque, which happens a lot with trans kids who are too sheltered to know what being trans is even if they are trans which causes them a lot of confusion and suffering, as you see with Owen. Maddy realizes that Owen never saw the last episode of the show and comes back to tell him everything and bring him back with her, which could represent her realizing that he is too sheltered to realize he is trans so she returns to tell him about being queer and bring him somewhere more accepting. But ultimately he is too scared to go with her because he is telling himself that it isn’t real, or that it’s crazy, or that it’s too difficult or scary to do (the same reasons many trans people don’t come out.) He ends up living the rest of his life wondering what could have been if he had gone with her and lived the life he was meant to live, while Isabel suffocates underground. This represents him wondering what could have been if he accepted his real self as a trans woman and decided to come out, but now it’s almost too late and his true self will soon die with him. At the end you see him open where his heart is and see that the tv show (representing his trans identity) was always there inside him. But it seems he still doesn’t have the courage to live the life he was meant to live.
I tried my best to explain, I know it’s kind of rambley but I hope it makes sense 🙏🏻
@@DJVideso troll spotted. don't feed.
if you dont understand it then just maybe……the movie wasnt meant for you!!!😱😱😱
take off your damn sunglasses justice
Man Justice has always given me creepy real person vibes and this affirms my gut feeling day one seeing him on screen
Annnd hiding behind the shades 2x it
He is absolutely unnerving and insufferable. I won’t be watching anything else he’s in. I hope his career tanks.
lol is it because he's -------
Oh no he wears sunglasses, it can't be because he's nervous or socially awkward, he must be a serial killer.
Didn't like it, couldn't finish it. It was not a horror & I didn't like any of the characters in it. It was flat, dead & boring.
You must be straight
this new generation of hollywood is so self absorbed and narcissistic. these fools are insufferable.
Why do you believe this? Not saying I disagree, but I'm curious
@@w0rm.f00d This is a typical reaction of a member of " mainstream" movie audiences, when something is made that is challenging because it is not made for them. The audience for this movie is pretty limited, and for some reason they dislike that from time to time a movie is made that is not made with them in mind.
90 % of movies are. This is not one of them. That should be ok, but form some reason,....for some,... it existing and being appreciated by others,.... is not enough for them. I love that this film was made for me. I mean,...I am so used to seeing films made for wider audiences,... those are fine,.... but... this was made for _me_ .
Instead of thinking that " ok, this wasn't made for me, no wonder I cannot get into it." they either think that there is something wrong with the film,.... or the makers of the film. Kinda Like..... " How dare they make a movie that was not made with me in mind, and meant for me.... How narcissistic of them."
Self-awareness is an awesome thing in my opinion.
@@w0rm.f00dnews flash.
@@w0rm.f00din my experience when somebody calls an openly queer person a narcissist they person calling them that is almost always a bigot. They hate queerness and any acknowledgement of it, let alone queer people existing openly, happily, and discussing queerness like you see here.
It's actually really ironic that there's comments like this in videos about the film because there's a very specific scene in the film that's about how people can see queer pain and how repressing queer identity hurts people and that most people would rather just pretend to not see it. They deliberately ignore queer pain because they find it inconvenient or illegitimate. Instead most people will look away from the pain, even if they have to make it obvious that they're doing so, and then if they acknowledge it they'll act like the person experiencing such pain is crazy for feeling that pain in the first place.
@@QwertyCaesar i can understand that. i personally love this film, have seen it multiple times, and i am trans & queer myself. i just like to stir the pot and ask people like this to tell me their detailed crazy perspective but i dont think this guy will ever respond lol.
this movie was god awful on every level
Awh cope and seethe
@@Honeydoyou horrible
troll. don't feed
Absolutely horrible movie
@@Honeydoyou horrible
Freaks
lmaooo
Loser
womp womp get a grip
you’re the freak
@@danielbarrero2815 I'm not trying to convince others that I'm a different gender.