That was fucking awesome. The fact that I can hop on youtube and watch your guys channel and learn more in twenty three minutes then I've learned in the last ten years of television is incredible. We're living in the new renaissance and it's incredible. Congratulations on the channel and the great work.
Reading some of these comments,...actually not comments at all but real critics out there!!!!! My own opinion,...Eric & Ray are doing this, for 2 reasons, because they can,...and because they want to. Like a lot of other videos,.".don't watch if you're offended", kind of scenario.
I did this exact kit to build a M38 sporty a few years back. Today I used it to drop a big MN doe at 180 yards. The gun hits right where I aim and 1” groups at 100 yards is common with PPU ammo. Great kit and this video was helpful in the process. Thanks!
Ha too funny, I did an M44 polish factory 11 carbine few years back as well. I used the camo stock from ATI. I also camo wrapped the barrel to protect the bluing. No scope though. And I also took buck 2 days ago up here in Canada. Its my favorite hunting rifle and it always hits on point. I used Sellier & Bellot soft point ammo myself. Does your kick like an enraged donkey? Mine sure does.
Nice build, I love watching stuff like this. You successfully turned a fine firearm into.....another version of the same fine firearm. True craftsmanship and beauty. Thanks for the vids guys, I'm a huge fan.
Smith sights target front sight and a Finnish trigger sear was the beat upgrades I’ve done to mine. Even in full wood it makes a very effective hunting rifle. Oil soaked rags arround the barrel under the barrel bands and rest floated.
just got done doing the same build on my mosin a few days ago. Havent got a chance to shoot it yet but think it should shoot great.My brother is a machinist and has a mill & lathe at his house so we had a little easier time cutting & recrowning the barrel.I tig welded the new bolt handle to the bolt instead of using the machine screw supplied.We had a fun time doing it. He actually is planning on buying one to do also.
***** Why make the marks to start with? And the only way to actually remove the marks is to remove metal. So your question still applies "why" would I want to remove metal to get rid of marks I didn't have to make to start with?
PS. I bought my Mosin after watching your videos. Used them as my guide for breaking it down, removing that cursed Cosmoline and reassembly. Shoots like a champ and looks great...Thanks guys...
Always wise to countersink the hole before tapping. Helps start the tap AND protects the threads around the mouth after it's tapped throughout it's lifetime.
@Reaper5.56 Xx ....shame they took it out of high schools.......I graduated back in 73......been cutting materials ever since 78 after leaving the Air Force.
You are 100% correct lol no way I'd even attempt to drill a straight and accurate hole lmaoo no freaking way, just watched almost all of it and really can't believe they aren't using a drill press lmao
@@keithlucas6260 I took a machining class in high school! Took it for 3 years by choice! Learned manual mills, lathes and cnc and the software's that go with them. By far it was the most useful class I took in high school
i took one of my mosins and installed the bolt and sight rail kit. it works ok, but I need a better scope. in total with taking your time and putting in the extra little care needed to square the mount beffor drill and tap and to ensure you are going into the reciever with the drill and not the chamber, it takes 3 hours and 95$ after tax and shipping. meaning for just under 200$ you can have yourself a very nice and hard hitting deer rifle that has the power of a .30-06
+silverballer1911................................................................ You forgot ammo! I have surplus ammo blessed by Vasily Zaitsev. He did the sign of the cross and kissed every round. I can take my super sporter Mosin Nagant rifle with the original pitted barrel, Tasco scope, ATI stock, Gorilla glued mount and cheap aluminum rings and shoot 3 miles in either direction including straight up and kill anything including an elephant. The rifle can hold a 1/4 inch group at that range.
I am also glad that ATI greatly increased their quality of the actual stock, the first one I ever bought a couple years back did not even fit the Mosin without heavy sanding/ bedding.
One day our grandkids are gonna curse us because they won't be able to find a Mosin that hasn't been butchered. I understand that it is his rifle, with which he can do as he pleases. But the way I look at it, we don't really own these historic military arms, we are just caretakers. I have been collecting milsurp guns since I was a teenager, and I love them dearly. It is truly amazing to hold a rifle that was fired from a trench in 1916, or one that was shouldered during the Franco-Prussian War. And I am lucky enough to have a son who is just as fascinated by history as I, so I know they won't be chopped up and spray painted. There are so many modern sporting arms out there to use if a person wants to go kill Bambi, I really wish people would stop butchering our collective human history.
@@jacktheaviator4938 this is how I am with my milsurp rifles. Got a nice collection of mosins (one of them Finnish, one imperial Russian, and two soviet), K31’s, An unaltered Krag, A swastika marked K98, and an Italian Carcano from 1917. My parents say I’m crazy with the way I clean them, but I agree with you. We are the caretakers of these pieces of history and I’ll be damned if I’m the one to destroy them.
@@lonelypancake5979 I am really wanting to expand my arisaka collection, but finding virgin examples is getting to be nearly impossible. I really get annoyed evey time I see an arisaka barrel that should still be hidden behind a handguard in the "junk rifle" bin at my local gun shop. I have bought 3 sporterized guns that I am hanging onto for parts, but finding a full stock example is turning into a real mission.
@@jacktheaviator4938 the only Arisakas I’ve seen were literally junk, one was all rusted and the others stock was literally falling apart. As for sporterized rifles, the only one I got is an SKS that someone went all out with a bunch of tactical shit. Custom stock, mounting rail for a scope, bipod, recoil pad, and side rails for lasers. I do have all the original parts from when I bought it, but I’m not sure if I want to take off all the hard work the person obviously put into it.
@@lonelypancake5979 believe me, I know...I have dug through an AMAZING amount of rust looking for Japanese rifles. It seems like the ones that got brought back were neglected. Probably due to lack of ammo.
I bought one of these kits on a whim; it's been sitting in my garage since. I've been too intimidated to try it out, but this video has given me a lot of confidence. Thanks, guys.
Well this is like watching a horror movie.If you want a modern bolt action in a black plastic stock just buy a dammed Savage don't fuck up a surplus rifle.
key word in ur comment was SURPLUS.. meaning excess. also the reason these guns are so damn cheap. stop whining about what someone else does with their money. u wanna put an end to it, buy all the damn Mosins and u can do whatever u want with em. sounds like u will pri just lock em away and let them collect dust cuz for some reason u think they are inherently valuable.
Relax, I happily shoot my mosins, but considering how expensive this project is your far better off buying a modern bolt then making an essentially worthless sporter. Especially if you want to use telescopic sights, the mosin's split bridge receiver makes a proper mount an expensive proposition where as a savage axis come with a rail from the factory.
+Derek Brewer so, u whine and complain about what someone else does with their money for no reason but I have to relax? mmkay.. anyway, u r right about 2 things u said. except for the cost of the kit. that really isn't true at all. even with the cost of the ATI kit and the gun u r still under a savage axis most everywhere u look. and the axis comes with a garbage Bushnell banner. trust me when I say they need upgraded. I literally just shot my daughters axis 243 with it this weekend for the first time. it's coming off immediately. that right there justifies the cost of the scope here
Derek Brewer depends on where you live. In Canada, svt 40 and mosin nagant are pretty much the only 54r rifles out there. We have couple of 54r surplus floating around so it is still cheaper in a long run to do custom mosin than modern bolt run. If you are in USA just grab psl or vepr
I really enjoy your youtube show and learned how to relaod ammo from your videos. There are many good channels here on youtube for firearms but you guys are the only one i watch to learn how to do things. Thank You :) Just which you guys were closer to Indiana so I could givebyou some of my business.
stopthemadness99 Don't know if you're talking about the crowning tool but it's pretty common in gunsmithing to use the mandrel attachment so you can use a drill. Not every shop has a lathe but honestly, it looks great.
Honestly, I don't understand people that get on here to pick apart every little thing. It's one thing to ask questions or raise concerns to help people learn. It's another to be a busy body and bitch about every little thing. Until you are as proficient as these guys and I see you teaching people with your videos, maybe you should just stay silent.
***** Quite frankly, wartime Mosin-Nagants are worth less. Production was rushed, corners were cut, and quality dropped. Pristine pre-war rifles typically fetch more value, though now I can't find a Mosin for less than 200 bucks, wartime or otherwise, which annoys me very much
+Phillip Block The same thing was said about 1903's, Enfields and a host of other WWII rifles. You just kind of hit the nail on the head in your last sentence. Scarcity drives price. The only reason the pre-war rifles fetch more value is because you can't import them anymore. You better bet your bibby the M91/30's will go the same way.
Come on guys... Eric does have my respect over most all other tubers for his ast knowlage, content, down to earth, comprehensive yet to-the-point videos and wide variety of said videos. Anything I say is with said respect. Any criticisms are only constructive and I would expect the same from anyone else. Now, that said.... Being a Georgia boy and only a few miles from him as the corn-fed crow flies, I can poke at one of my own. Say it with us, Eric... FO - LEE - AHHGE... Foliage. ;) P.S. There is no x in "escape." Haha.. Keep up the great work. "Looken" forward to the next trip down to the shop.
m1 was not the best rifle in WWII bro but the point being its dumb to do stuff like this instead why not buy a rifle that you want instead of taking a collectible piece of history and taking the soul out of it
Thats awesome guys. Ive been looking at buying a Mosin. I already have a No1 MK3 1917 Enfield and dont have the heart to chop it up. So i have turned to the mosin for a good cheap shooter. Thatnks for the video. I enjoy watching your stuff.
I did a simular build before but instead I used a M-38 carbine, I did use a ATI stock but I used a Rock Solid Industries Bent bolt service i provided them with a bolt body stripped and for $50.00 they provided me with a bent bolt no gaps no ugly bolt to look at , I took it up a notch, I even installed a adjustable trigger by Huber concepts it looks like a original trigger but i was able to adjust the trigger pull from 13 lbs plus, down too 3.75 lbs. using a friction ball system of trigger. When using the Huber concepts Trigger I had to open up the opening of the ATI Stock Trigger slot, by aprox. .015" to relieve binding. I also used Bedding Pillar's from Rock solid industries, and Allen head bedding screws and a stainless steel Firing pin spring. Since the M-38 was of ideal length I did not have to cut down the barrel or remove the globe and front sight. I kept all the original parts If I wanted to restore it back to orginal condition.I could
Pete over at the armory channel did a good series of videos on that. The key is to make sure you cut at the junction of the rib and the barrel instead of just at 20" exactly. The bead is as easy as drilling a small hole in the rib and using a replacement brass bead from somewhere like brownells or ati.
on the left side of the receiver under the stock is a small screw. that screw holds the interrupter on the receiver. once you take the interrupter off, there will be a second blade looking piece of metal, that is the ejector, and it rides in a cut-out in the receiver under the ejector. good luck
Depends how far you go. I have mosin that was shortened to 22.2" w/ a 11 degree crown. It can acheive 2" groups with silver tips and 1" w/ handloads. My 16.5" barrel mosin is harder because I have to fight with incomplete powder combustion so I have to develope loads that uses faster burning powder. I can get 1" groups with careful handloads, but I have to go as far as using match primers, weigh all casings and bullets and make sure all cartridge lengths are the same.
One nice thing about these clean rifle bodies is that you can do countershading (What most animals have, light undersides and dark topsides to look flat and merge with the background) on top of the dazzle job. Really nice video, learning lots of things here.
I think he would be right in there with them. He would also be very proud that his rifle was so easily transformed into a decent hunter some 120 years after it was conceived as a military rifle. He probably expected it to be in service a decade or two at the most.
I did this exact build minus the duracoat and optics for $315 including the cost of the rifle. I already had the vise and power drill but I did have to purchase used crowning tools. This is a very easy DIY, and if you mess up just buy another $100 mosin and start over.
Not sure if a mosin is perfectly good to begin w/ in my opinion, but I see your point. However, from what I've been seeing a decent mosin will shoot just as well as an axis. After doing some accurizing it can shoot better. I was thinking to same thing, either a mosin or an axis. I went with the mosin twice.
Well you can get reproduction PU scopes for the mosin for $350, that scope, was designed for that specific rifle and load, it does not have the usual MOA adjustments on elevation, rather it has a nob with the range. No calculations really needed once the rifle is sighted in. It's an amazing setup, and beautiful in a refinished original stock.
Other than ergonomics, the length of Mosin-Nagant barrels was a hold over from black-powder era firearms, which is typical of rifles from that time. BP burns slower than smokeless, which means the barrel needs to be longer for the projectile to achieve proper velocity. Since smokeless burns faster, internal pressure will drop below optimal through a longer barrel, which means internal friction will decrease velocity and affect accuracy. For mil-surp 7.62x54mmR around 21-24" is optimal length.
An idea for your gunsmith friend and his vise, don't worry it's cheap. Go to home depot and a piece of 90 degree angle aluminum bar and cut two pieces out of it close to the size of your vise, its softer the steel/iron and cheaper then brass. Go to the fabric store and get some real leather and GOOD glue. Glue to the aluminum and cut to straps out of it, rap the straps around till they are tight and mark. cut holes in the marked area and insert a fastening device, and you got none marking clamp.
I have a suggestion for measuring after you remove rod @ 28 3/4 if you want 20 inches subtract the 20 inches from the 28 3/4 that leaves 8 and 3/4 inches just measure from crown of barrel 8 3/4 inches and mark.
Great video, I have seen what a POS that bolt and mount kit are. They are known to strip out. I used a brass-stacker scout mount, cut my bolt and silver welded a bent bolt in its place.
The barel of the 91/30 serries tend to be thin causing the barrel to ocilate also known as barrel whip. Shortening the barrel helps reduces the leverage force the exiting bullet has on the barrel. Also the barrel is 28" or so standard which is really hard to move around w/ in tight places.
Omniful. These barrels are so long and flimsy that shortening them to 22-24" actually makes them more accurate with a free floated barrel. The barrel is not free floated in the original stov
I like it. A nice basic build. Will make a great hunting rifle. I really need to get myself a crowning kit. I like taking broken weapons and failed projects and make something useful out of them, but I do any crowning I need to with a set if very fine files. It takes many hours of work and I can screw up easy. A few crowning bits like that seems like something I can use.
It turned out great I just picked up a Mosin Nagant last month and found a ATI stock But mine needs some work I want to float the barrel This will be my first custom build so I'm trying to take my time to get it just so
You got me at the part where u said u wont need many tools. Then I saw the rest of the video lol. You should do more like these. Reminds me of thearmorychannel guy
i did a couple like that, used max shepard to weld on better bolt handle. also removed rear sight and turned the base to that down filling in the sight holes. dont show them to your friends though. my brother talked me outa one and a friend outa the 2nd one. haha
its completely different looking now, it went from your everday mosin to looking like a remintgon 700 or other hunting rifle. i would love to have the time money and tools to make a sporter mosin, i was lucky enough to get to refinish my first mosin (and it was also my first firearm) to look like a brand new rifle. i think these rifles will always have a spot in my heart, being my first gun and what a great rifle they are for the price
When i added the new stock to my rifle, when i tightened the barrel to the stock, i could not tighten all the way, because the bolt would not open. When i loosened the bolt, the bolt worked. I also added a stock to my SKS, it all fit good except the bayonet. It didnt have the groove for it, but it did still lock. On the bolt action the bayonet still worked good enough, but had to take out the cleaning rod and the cleaning kit in the back. But they look good. I do like wood, they stay warmer then the other type of stocks. But not so easy to hide in the woods. My new camo stocks are hard to see, hope i dont drop them and lose them. :)
Great vid. Very informative & well presented. Nice to know that the conversion does not require a lot of high tech machines. I have a butter knife. ha ha
A great build for sure and I want to build something similar. But if you can afford to purchase and fire all these guns, then maybe spend more than 20 bucks on a hacksaw and get a cold saw, or at least a chopsaw for cutting barrels. The coldsaw is costly I know but far better results and easier to clean and prep the barrel afterwards. The chopsaw is a more affordable option and can be a great tool. But other than that I love this build.
Kudos on the amazing videos, and the thorough and professional quality of the gunsmithing you guys do. Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge. So many UA-cam channels are based on flash, but no substance. You guys are a fresh sight for sore eyes.
Just wondering how the scope holds up. I had to put a long eyed scope on mine . Mounted it where the rear sight was and had to tap the scope mounts to pin it in so it don't jump
Yeah I know this is old but it showed up again in my recommended. I miss videos like this on this channel. Can we have some start to finish older rifle restorations again? A mosin or sks straight out of the container, cosmoline removal and all?
Man i wanted this exact mosin when i first saw the stock and scope mount! Man this thing is sick! if i won this thing I'd get a couple spam cans of ammo, one to shoot and the rest to put up for my first prepping gun! Love you guys videos, keep em coming!
I would love this gun, Im a huge fan and am thinking about mosin building a but do not have a lot of the tools beging in college. I would love this gun!!!!
If you handload, you can get submoa groups. With milsurp, it's 2" (that is if your rifle is squared away). All you need is water and/or Hoppes #9 to get the salts out.
i bet the shorter barrel helps get around a lot!! stump shooting is a bummer in thick woods. i would like mine a little shorter for boar hunting. upnorth they get 300 to 400 pounds and come in real fast. Blessings!! also no one gives know how like you guys do !!!!
the entire time I could hear the mosin screaming to me "CYKA BLYAT STOP CUTTING ME"
nyet rifle is fine
In Soviet Russia, guns cut you!
Awe the good old days miss this stuff from you
I love these gunsmith vids they give me the courage to try some of this stuff. Thank you.
That was fucking awesome. The fact that I can hop on youtube and watch your guys channel and learn more in twenty three minutes then I've learned in the last ten years of television is incredible. We're living in the new renaissance and it's incredible. Congratulations on the channel and the great work.
Reading some of these comments,...actually not comments at all but real critics out there!!!!!
My own opinion,...Eric & Ray are doing this, for 2 reasons, because they can,...and because they want to. Like a lot of other videos,.".don't watch if you're offended", kind of scenario.
I did this exact kit to build a M38 sporty a few years back. Today I used it to drop a big MN doe at 180 yards. The gun hits right where I aim and 1” groups at 100 yards is common with PPU ammo. Great kit and this video was helpful in the process. Thanks!
Ha too funny, I did an M44 polish factory 11 carbine few years back as well. I used the camo stock from ATI. I also camo wrapped the barrel to protect the bluing. No scope though. And I also took buck 2 days ago up here in Canada. Its my favorite hunting rifle and it always hits on point. I used Sellier & Bellot soft point ammo myself. Does your kick like an enraged donkey? Mine sure does.
Nice build, I love watching stuff like this. You successfully turned a fine firearm into.....another version of the same fine firearm. True craftsmanship and beauty. Thanks for the vids guys, I'm a huge fan.
Smith sights target front sight and a Finnish trigger sear was the beat upgrades I’ve done to mine. Even in full wood it makes a very effective hunting rifle. Oil soaked rags arround the barrel under the barrel bands and rest floated.
"Chop saw, hack saw, butter knife" lmfao
What?
just got done doing the same build on my mosin a few days ago. Havent got a chance to shoot it yet but think it should shoot great.My brother is a machinist and has a mill & lathe at his house so we had a little easier time cutting & recrowning the barrel.I tig welded
the new bolt handle to the bolt instead of using the machine screw supplied.We had a fun time doing it. He actually is planning on buying one to do also.
you guys should put a rag around the barrel when you put it in the vice
*****
Why make the marks to start with? And the only way to actually remove the marks is to remove metal. So your question still applies "why" would I want to remove metal to get rid of marks I didn't have to make to start with?
bill65761
@ 6:48 they used nylon. Apparently they realized their mistake from previously.
This is by far the most educational PBS special ever!
Man, when you saw off a rifle a piece of the trunk, my eyes were bleeding, it's like cutting off a foot kitten %)
PS. I bought my Mosin after watching your videos. Used them as my guide for breaking it down, removing that cursed Cosmoline and reassembly. Shoots like a champ and looks great...Thanks guys...
foliage: foe-lee-edge
man, i'm glad i'm not the only one that was annoyed by that.
Was just about to leave that comment. My Grandpa's wife from Mississippi pronounces "oil" as "earl". Never quite understood that.
Always wise to countersink the hole before tapping. Helps start the tap AND protects the threads around the mouth after it's tapped throughout it's lifetime.
I wouldn't go without a drill press. Seeing all those jobs made with a freehand drill is pure horror for me (being a super-precise guy) :-)
Alex Vannini ....being a toolmaker myself all this makes me cringe. I personally have a gunlathe to do this.
@Reaper5.56 Xx ....shame they took it out of high schools.......I graduated back in 73......been cutting materials ever since 78 after leaving the Air Force.
You could get a capable lathe fo this for 1000 dollars
You are 100% correct lol no way I'd even attempt to drill a straight and accurate hole lmaoo no freaking way, just watched almost all of it and really can't believe they aren't using a drill press lmao
@@keithlucas6260 I took a machining class in high school! Took it for 3 years by choice! Learned manual mills, lathes and cnc and the software's that go with them. By far it was the most useful class I took in high school
i took one of my mosins and installed the bolt and sight rail kit. it works ok, but I need a better scope. in total with taking your time and putting in the extra little care needed to square the mount beffor drill and tap and to ensure you are going into the reciever with the drill and not the chamber, it takes 3 hours and 95$ after tax and shipping. meaning for just under 200$ you can have yourself a very nice and hard hitting deer rifle that has the power of a .30-06
make sure to wear full camo when doing any work on guns
also make sure to use tactical or sniper paint
tactical paint improves rate of fire and magezene capacety. sniper paint increse reload speed
+silverballer1911................................................................ You forgot ammo! I have surplus ammo blessed by Vasily Zaitsev. He did the sign of the cross and kissed every round. I can take my super sporter Mosin Nagant rifle with the original pitted barrel, Tasco scope, ATI stock, Gorilla glued mount and cheap aluminum rings and shoot 3 miles in either direction including straight up and kill anything including an elephant. The rifle can hold a 1/4 inch group at that range.
@@GordonTurnerpark the commies are godless so they don't bless shit
I am also glad that ATI greatly increased their quality of the actual stock, the first one I ever bought a couple years back did not even fit the Mosin without heavy sanding/ bedding.
that was extremely painful for an old school marksman,I love old military rifles the way they come out of the cosmoline .
One day our grandkids are gonna curse us because they won't be able to find a Mosin that hasn't been butchered. I understand that it is his rifle, with which he can do as he pleases. But the way I look at it, we don't really own these historic military arms, we are just caretakers. I have been collecting milsurp guns since I was a teenager, and I love them dearly. It is truly amazing to hold a rifle that was fired from a trench in 1916, or one that was shouldered during the Franco-Prussian War. And I am lucky enough to have a son who is just as fascinated by history as I, so I know they won't be chopped up and spray painted. There are so many modern sporting arms out there to use if a person wants to go kill Bambi, I really wish people would stop butchering our collective human history.
@@jacktheaviator4938 this is how I am with my milsurp rifles. Got a nice collection of mosins (one of them Finnish, one imperial Russian, and two soviet), K31’s, An unaltered Krag, A swastika marked K98, and an Italian Carcano from 1917.
My parents say I’m crazy with the way I clean them, but I agree with you. We are the caretakers of these pieces of history and I’ll be damned if I’m the one to destroy them.
@@lonelypancake5979 I am really wanting to expand my arisaka collection, but finding virgin examples is getting to be nearly impossible. I really get annoyed evey time I see an arisaka barrel that should still be hidden behind a handguard in the "junk rifle" bin at my local gun shop. I have bought 3 sporterized guns that I am hanging onto for parts, but finding a full stock example is turning into a real mission.
@@jacktheaviator4938 the only Arisakas I’ve seen were literally junk, one was all rusted and the others stock was literally falling apart.
As for sporterized rifles, the only one I got is an SKS that someone went all out with a bunch of tactical shit. Custom stock, mounting rail for a scope, bipod, recoil pad, and side rails for lasers. I do have all the original parts from when I bought it, but I’m not sure if I want to take off all the hard work the person obviously put into it.
@@lonelypancake5979 believe me, I know...I have dug through an AMAZING amount of rust looking for Japanese rifles. It seems like the ones that got brought back were neglected. Probably due to lack of ammo.
I bought one of these kits on a whim; it's been sitting in my garage since. I've been too intimidated to try it out, but this video has given me a lot of confidence. Thanks, guys.
Well this is like watching a horror movie.If you want a modern bolt action in a black plastic stock just buy a dammed Savage don't fuck up a surplus rifle.
key word in ur comment was SURPLUS.. meaning excess. also the reason these guns are so damn cheap. stop whining about what someone else does with their money. u wanna put an end to it, buy all the damn Mosins and u can do whatever u want with em. sounds like u will pri just lock em away and let them collect dust cuz for some reason u think they are inherently valuable.
Relax, I happily shoot my mosins, but considering how expensive this project is your far better off buying a modern bolt then making an essentially worthless sporter. Especially if you want to use telescopic sights, the mosin's split bridge receiver makes a proper mount an expensive proposition where as a savage axis come with a rail from the factory.
+Derek Brewer so, u whine and complain about what someone else does with their money for no reason but I have to relax? mmkay.. anyway, u r right about 2 things u said. except for the cost of the kit. that really isn't true at all. even with the cost of the ATI kit and the gun u r still under a savage axis most everywhere u look. and the axis comes with a garbage Bushnell banner. trust me when I say they need upgraded. I literally just shot my daughters axis 243 with it this weekend for the first time. it's coming off immediately. that right there justifies the cost of the scope here
Derek Brewer depends on where you live. In Canada, svt 40 and mosin nagant are pretty much the only 54r rifles out there. We have couple of 54r surplus floating around so it is still cheaper in a long run to do custom mosin than modern bolt run. If you are in USA just grab psl or vepr
Derek Brewer in 2012 you could get mosins for like $120 dollars
two things i wanted to say:
A. I LEARNED STUFF!
B. Nice duracoat job!
keep up the great work!
Still not as good as the fugly.
Fugly is a legend
I completely agree. I own one myself, and for the price I think it's on of the best purchases I've ever made.
HYDRA shut up. There are so many of these out there that they can be bought for less than $200
create of 20 for 2500 or something like that.
I know that myself but i don't know why but it bothers me
*****
Back to 150 (ish)
***** $149 at Turners...
So many out there, eh son?
I really enjoy your youtube show and learned how to relaod ammo from your videos. There are many good channels here on youtube for firearms but you guys are the only one i watch to learn how to do things. Thank You :) Just which you guys were closer to Indiana so I could givebyou some of my business.
Foe-lee-edge, not foiledge.
What does cutting the barrel do to ballistics? Do you lose any distance by going down to a 20" barrel?
Dont ya have a drill press and vice?
sfbfriend ....not to mention brass sleeves for the vice to keep jaw marks off the parts.
Thanks Eric. I'm a Mosin fanatic as well. Although I consider myself a "purist" I still like a custom build as well.
Not bad, considering that you were doing your "machining" with a fucking power drill...
stopthemadness99 Don't know if you're talking about the crowning tool but it's pretty common in gunsmithing to use the mandrel attachment so you can use a drill. Not every shop has a lathe but honestly, it looks great.
Honestly, I don't understand people that get on here to pick apart every little thing. It's one thing to ask questions or raise concerns to help people learn. It's another to be a busy body and bitch about every little thing. Until you are as proficient as these guys and I see you teaching people with your videos, maybe you should just stay silent.
This video should be included as part of the owner's manual of an ATI stock kit, Seriously, gentlemen, outstanding job
Not a fan of cutting the barrel, especially one used in WW2.
Ones that were used in WWII should not be tampered with. They're historical rifles.
***** Old and historical does not always equal valuable.
I'm not saying they are valuable but they are still a piece of history.
***** Quite frankly, wartime Mosin-Nagants are worth less. Production was rushed, corners were cut, and quality dropped. Pristine pre-war rifles typically fetch more value, though now I can't find a Mosin for less than 200 bucks, wartime or otherwise, which annoys me very much
+Phillip Block The same thing was said about 1903's, Enfields and a host of other WWII rifles. You just kind of hit the nail on the head in your last sentence. Scarcity drives price. The only reason the pre-war rifles fetch more value is because you can't import them anymore. You better bet your bibby the M91/30's will go the same way.
Come on guys... Eric does have my respect over most all other tubers for his ast knowlage, content, down to earth, comprehensive yet to-the-point videos and wide variety of said videos. Anything I say is with said respect. Any criticisms are only constructive and I would expect the same from anyone else.
Now, that said.... Being a Georgia boy and only a few miles from him as the corn-fed crow flies, I can poke at one of my own.
Say it with us, Eric... FO - LEE - AHHGE... Foliage. ;)
P.S. There is no x in "escape."
Haha.. Keep up the great work. "Looken" forward to the next trip down to the shop.
makes me sad to history destroyed and enjoyed by people me however am sad to see this Russian piece of history ruined completely
Well they made 17 million of these...so, I think it'll be alright.
ya but still one less and people continue to do this . the world doesn't understand that there is not a infinite amount of these
HYDRA There are so many people keeping them in stock configuration that it won't be an issue for the forseeable future
HYDRA There mosins dude. It's not a M1.
m1 was not the best rifle in WWII bro but the point being its dumb to do stuff like this instead why not buy a rifle that you want instead of taking a collectible piece of history and taking the soul out of it
Finished mine a few days ago, a neat way to recycle an old girl. Keep on keepin on.
Iraqveteran8888 thanks for all your informative videos on You Tube. I have been watching them now for over a year. God Bless you and God Bless America
Love your 'old school' vice, I don't think they make them like that anymore...
Thats awesome guys. Ive been looking at buying a Mosin. I already have a No1 MK3 1917 Enfield and dont have the heart to chop it up. So i have turned to the mosin for a good cheap shooter. Thatnks for the video. I enjoy watching your stuff.
I did a simular build before but instead I used a M-38 carbine, I did use a ATI stock but I used a Rock Solid Industries Bent bolt service i provided them with a bolt body stripped and for $50.00 they provided me with a bent bolt no gaps no ugly bolt to look at , I took it up a notch, I even installed a adjustable trigger by Huber concepts it looks like a original trigger but i was able to adjust the trigger pull from 13 lbs plus, down too 3.75 lbs. using a friction ball system of trigger. When using the Huber concepts Trigger I had to open up the opening of the ATI Stock Trigger slot, by aprox. .015" to relieve binding. I also used Bedding Pillar's from Rock solid industries, and Allen head bedding screws and a stainless steel Firing pin spring. Since the M-38 was of ideal length I did not have to cut down the barrel or remove the globe and front sight. I kept all the original parts If I wanted to restore it back to orginal condition.I could
Pete over at the armory channel did a good series of videos on that. The key is to make sure you cut at the junction of the rib and the barrel instead of just at 20" exactly.
The bead is as easy as drilling a small hole in the rib and using a replacement brass bead from somewhere like brownells or ati.
Having trouble looking up the glass. What is the exact scope they used?
I used a countersink bit on mine to put a nice wide crown on mine. Worked great in a pinch
Didn't turn out too bad at all! I like what you did with it, brings some new life to an old warhorse.
on the left side of the receiver under the stock is a small screw. that screw holds the interrupter on the receiver. once you take the interrupter off, there will be a second blade looking piece of metal, that is the ejector, and it rides in a cut-out in the receiver under the ejector. good luck
Depends how far you go. I have mosin that was shortened to 22.2" w/ a 11 degree crown. It can acheive 2" groups with silver tips and 1" w/ handloads.
My 16.5" barrel mosin is harder because I have to fight with incomplete powder combustion so I have to develope loads that uses faster burning powder. I can get 1" groups with careful handloads, but I have to go as far as using match primers, weigh all casings and bullets and make sure all cartridge lengths are the same.
One nice thing about these clean rifle bodies is that you can do countershading (What most animals have, light undersides and dark topsides to look flat and merge with the background) on top of the dazzle job.
Really nice video, learning lots of things here.
I think he would be right in there with them. He would also be very proud that his rifle was so easily transformed into a decent hunter some 120 years after it was conceived as a military rifle. He probably expected it to be in service a decade or two at the most.
im not usually a fan of camouflage firearms, but i like this one a whole lot.
I did this exact build minus the duracoat and optics for $315 including the cost of the rifle. I already had the vise and power drill but I did have to purchase used crowning tools. This is a very easy DIY, and if you mess up just buy another $100 mosin and start over.
Not sure if a mosin is perfectly good to begin w/ in my opinion, but I see your point. However, from what I've been seeing a decent mosin will shoot just as well as an axis. After doing some accurizing it can shoot better.
I was thinking to same thing, either a mosin or an axis. I went with the mosin twice.
Well you can get reproduction PU scopes for the mosin for $350, that scope, was designed for that specific rifle and load, it does not have the usual MOA adjustments on elevation, rather it has a nob with the range. No calculations really needed once the rifle is sighted in. It's an amazing setup, and beautiful in a refinished original stock.
Other than ergonomics, the length of Mosin-Nagant barrels was a hold over from black-powder era firearms, which is typical of rifles from that time. BP burns slower than smokeless, which means the barrel needs to be longer for the projectile to achieve proper velocity. Since smokeless burns faster, internal pressure will drop below optimal through a longer barrel, which means internal friction will decrease velocity and affect accuracy. For mil-surp 7.62x54mmR around 21-24" is optimal length.
An idea for your gunsmith friend and his vise, don't worry it's cheap. Go to home depot and a piece of 90 degree angle aluminum bar and cut two pieces out of it close to the size of your vise, its softer the steel/iron and cheaper then brass. Go to the fabric store and get some real leather and GOOD glue. Glue to the aluminum and cut to straps out of it, rap the straps around till they are tight and mark. cut holes in the marked area and insert a fastening device, and you got none marking clamp.
A real nice Mosin build I am going to do one just like it. But with a bipod for hunting thanks guys I like it a lot.
I have a suggestion for measuring after you remove rod @ 28 3/4 if you want 20 inches subtract the 20 inches from the 28 3/4 that leaves 8 and 3/4 inches just measure from crown of barrel 8 3/4 inches and mark.
Crowning tools, from Brownells. 90degree cutter and 11degree target crown cutter, An the radius cutter.
I personally probably would never do this as I would probably mess it up but its nice to watch love videos like this
Great video, I have seen what a POS that bolt and mount kit are. They are known to strip out. I used a brass-stacker scout mount, cut my bolt and silver welded a bent bolt in its place.
sportarized moisons are awesome. I know some ppl say it stupid n think they shud remain original but I think they look pretty cool.
The barel of the 91/30 serries tend to be thin causing the barrel to ocilate also known as barrel whip. Shortening the barrel helps reduces the leverage force the exiting bullet has on the barrel. Also the barrel is 28" or so standard which is really hard to move around w/ in tight places.
Omniful. These barrels are so long and flimsy that shortening them to 22-24" actually makes them more accurate with a free floated barrel. The barrel is not free floated in the original stov
I like it. A nice basic build. Will make a great hunting rifle.
I really need to get myself a crowning kit. I like taking broken weapons and failed projects and make something useful out of them, but I do any crowning I need to with a set if very fine files. It takes many hours of work and I can screw up easy. A few crowning bits like that seems like something I can use.
I miss my first mosin. I need another one in my life.
man that rifle is a beauty after you got done with it, wow.
Wow... Impressive Mosin, I started to tune my old K31 on the same principles, but I can not go that far ! Good Work !
It turned out great
I just picked up a Mosin Nagant last month and found a ATI stock
But mine needs some work
I want to float the barrel
This will be my first custom build so I'm trying to take my time to get it just so
You got me at the part where u said u wont need many tools. Then I saw the rest of the video lol. You should do more like these. Reminds me of thearmorychannel guy
i did a couple like that, used max shepard to weld on better bolt handle. also removed rear sight and turned the base to that down filling in the sight holes. dont show them to your friends though. my brother talked me outa one and a friend outa the 2nd one. haha
its completely different looking now, it went from your everday mosin to looking like a remintgon 700 or other hunting rifle. i would love to have the time money and tools to make a sporter mosin, i was lucky enough to get to refinish my first mosin (and it was also my first firearm) to look like a brand new rifle. i think these rifles will always have a spot in my heart, being my first gun and what a great rifle they are for the price
Thank you for making this video. It helped me out alot with my Mosin build
How did yours turn out?
I live in an apartment, I really want to spend some time in your workshops. I totally have workshop envy.
When i added the new stock to my rifle, when i tightened the barrel to the stock, i could not tighten all the way, because the bolt would not open. When i loosened the bolt, the bolt worked. I also added a stock to my SKS, it all fit good except the bayonet. It didnt have the groove for it, but it did still lock. On the bolt action the bayonet still worked good enough, but had to take out the cleaning rod and the cleaning kit in the back. But they look good. I do like wood, they stay warmer then the other type of stocks. But not so easy to hide in the woods. My new camo stocks are hard to see, hope i dont drop them and lose them. :)
Ok thanks for replying. I am getting one next week hopefully and have the confidence to do the upgrades after watching your video!
Glad to see the Mosin Nagant done.
Great vid. Very informative & well presented. Nice to know that the conversion does not require a lot of high tech machines. I have a butter knife. ha ha
Im Pretty Anti Sporter , But i think you may have convinced me .... Youre doing it right !
A great build for sure and I want to build something similar. But if you can afford to purchase and fire all these guns, then maybe spend more than 20 bucks on a hacksaw and get a cold saw, or at least a chopsaw for cutting barrels. The coldsaw is costly I know but far better results and easier to clean and prep the barrel afterwards. The chopsaw is a more affordable option and can be a great tool. But other than that I love this build.
Kudos on the amazing videos, and the thorough and professional quality of the gunsmithing you guys do. Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge. So many UA-cam channels are based on flash, but no substance. You guys are a fresh sight for sore eyes.
I've got a hex that will stay original, I plan on sometime getting a round receiver to sporterize out and accurize to make into a range toy.
Just wondering how the scope holds up. I had to put a long eyed scope on mine . Mounted it where the rear sight was and had to tap the scope mounts to pin it in so it don't jump
Yeah I know this is old but it showed up again in my recommended. I miss videos like this on this channel. Can we have some start to finish older rifle restorations again? A mosin or sks straight out of the container, cosmoline removal and all?
nice. ive been thinking about doing an ATI build on my Mosin. Now I can see how its done. Thanks for the video!
Man i wanted this exact mosin when i first saw the stock and scope mount! Man this thing is sick! if i won this thing I'd get a couple spam cans of ammo, one to shoot and the rest to put up for my first prepping gun! Love you guys videos, keep em coming!
I would love this gun, Im a huge fan and am thinking about mosin building a but do not have a lot of the tools beging in college. I would love this gun!!!!
Ugh , that turned out great. I wish i had tools and nerves to try it without messing up. Really like it , get up the cool vids.
Personally I would have finished the final cutting and crown of the barrel in a metal lathe but it still turned out pretty good.
The carbide tap worked like a dream I just had to go very very slow each hole took about 50 min to tap.
If you handload, you can get submoa groups. With milsurp, it's 2" (that is if your rifle is squared away). All you need is water and/or Hoppes #9 to get the salts out.
Used the same stock and scope with my Mosin same color and everything. I guess great minds do think alike.
Wow man nice build. Cutting and crowning has always scared me a little don't want to ruin a good gun but you guys made it look just
Thank you for "Do it Yourself Video" I love these especially coming from some one who is very knowledgable and skilled like your self!
nice outcome, i kinda like that the camo doesn't stick out. sometimes it can be somewhat of an eyesore
Looks sharp, the paint came out niiiice. Great job, gentlemen.
Even here in Africa, ive seen blokes posing with gemsbok (oryx) and kudu shot with a sporterised mosin.
You guys should have a show on tv! It'd be way better than sons of gun or american guns
i bet the shorter barrel helps get around a lot!! stump shooting is a bummer in thick woods. i would like mine a little shorter for boar hunting. upnorth they get 300 to 400 pounds and come in real fast. Blessings!! also no one gives know how like you guys do !!!!
+MrSIXGUNZ Just buy an M44 or M38 if you want a carbine length Mosin.
This looks like a fun project. Looks like it's time I go buy a Mosin...