Hi Tom, enjoyed this and the PT 1 too. Paul has been bugging me to do my DSC2 as in a similar situation as you were....but a bit less of my stuff going to Dealers so still undecided. Quick question if I can, saw you use an auto lift now? I've got some Thule roof bars on my Vitara. How do you attach the Napier to your roof bars? Thanks.
@@philwilkinson7255 I have a roof cage fitted to my Thule roof bars and then a section of box that extends out from the roof cage. I’ve got a video planned on this in due course!
I think a good way to go is to have a similar model like we have in pest control ie we need to ensure if we want to be apart of the BPCA we need to do CPD and gain 24 points minimum a year. This can be gained by , further training, workshops, breakfast meetings, even podcasts like this would count. It all proves your keeping your knowledge up to speed. So if BASC, BDS, NGO etc laid on more small bite training in certain areas of deer management, you keep your DSC2 if you get your yearly points.
Myself I’d like to do the BDS/DMQ deer management course, but they are so limited in dates available. And from what I can see they are the only organisation that does this course unfortunately.
I looked at the BASC register but I only have DSC1 (held for 3 years). I don't get chance to go out and progress towards doing the DSC2. I can't afford to do paid stalks either..
Do we know the procedure following a call to the apha is? What will they want the stalker to do with the carcass? Many will be in my position were as a recreation stalker we have nowhere to store a carcass not fit for consumption Or even want to take it home
@@chewder depending on what you have found, the APHA will send someone to inspect the carcass. We have known them to ask that the carcass is left in situ.
Had a look at my records since Jan 44 Muntjac 8 Fallow 1 Red including 1 muntjac squeezed in for DSC2 my time line was sign up AW came over shot a Muntjac put paper work in passed and carried on.
One topic subtly missed was the questions: - should there be one cse standard that is approved and accepted across the industry? - do you think by having various cse titles and designs by training providers "dirties the waters" of the training standard and creates confusion? - why has this not been dealt with? Interesting discussion though. The problem is that there are too many "individuals" in the industry looking out for themselves and not looking at the TEAM benefit. Another question: - what is the course of action when the landowner refuses to let the deer be shot in an area that is heavily populated and tenant farmers are suffering from deer damage to fences and crops where neighbouring farms also suffer due to the animals wandering through the night causing more damage.
There were no questions missed out deliberately, the topic of conversation was about Level 2. Both Level 1 & 2 are the industry standard and recognised across the industry. Other courses have definitely muddied the water and were undoubtedly provided for financial gain. Whilst there are one or two organisations that 'recognise' them, the industry as a whole does not. The last question really is a discussion for the landowner and the tenant. Perhaps the tenant has certain rights within a tenancy agreement to prevent crop damage? It's certainly an unusual situation.
Regarding the 'stalks' by an approved verifier. Can these be undertaken at the deer park that I manage?. Can multiple 'stalks' be witnessed on the same day?. This was the reason I did not complete my DSC Level 2 years ago as my 'assessor' refused to accept the way I shot my deer as "a valid stalk". Because I shoot from UTV's and occasionally high seats and I head shoot the deer I was told that this was not stalking. He dismissed the level of skill required to do this, insisting that he wished for me to "crawl through undergrowth" to shoot deer qualified as a more skilled approach which defined a stalk. This was in my opinion totally incorrect. Taking deer from a park is even more difficult than in the wild as you are being watched and everything you do is noted. The trust that you are given to do the job is constantly on the line. What are your requirements for a demonstration to qualify?. Also what is the cost now of the witnessed 'stalks'?.
One of the criteria for the Individual Cull Record (ICR), is that you demonstrate the ability to stalk a suitable animal, for which purpose it must be a wild deer. The actual cull can be in a park, from a highseat or off the bonnet of a truck! But, the candidate must demonstrate their ability to approach a wild animal successfully. Deer park culling is very different and can certainly be more challenging, however, the criteria are the criteria. This is why an ICR can be completed in different parts, if you're chosen animal is a park deer or shot from a highseat ie.ambushed not physically stalked, a demonstration of stalking ability could be done separately. Those are the requirements. The cost is whatever the approved witness wants to charge, which is entirely between the stalker and witness.
@@PaulHill-t2d Hello, thanks for the reply. With regards to the requirement of the deer being wild. What if the park has 'jump in' points, allowing wild deer to enter the park and to mix with deer already in the park?. There is no way of knowing if the deer taken is wild or has been in the park for some time. How would this work?.
I don’t think a park deer can be used for your assessed stalk as you have to be able to demonstrate being able to stalk into a deer. The cost of the witnessed stalks depends on the accredited witness and how much they charge!
@@TheDeercast The issue here seems to be the definition of stalking. Park deer ARE stalked. You still have to find them and select the correct one to take in a safe manner. How you go about doing that is stalking. If to qualify as a registered stalk this must be done on foot then that can be done in a park. The location of the deer, be it in a park or in the middle of nowhere is immaterial. Also park deer come under the same legislation as "wild" deer. They are all wild, there is no difference.
Hi Tom, enjoyed this and the PT 1 too. Paul has been bugging me to do my DSC2 as in a similar situation as you were....but a bit less of my stuff going to Dealers so still undecided. Quick question if I can, saw you use an auto lift now? I've got some Thule roof bars on my Vitara. How do you attach the Napier to your roof bars? Thanks.
@@philwilkinson7255 I have a roof cage fitted to my Thule roof bars and then a section of box that extends out from the roof cage. I’ve got a video planned on this in due course!
Perfect thank you; look forward to it! @@TheDeercast
That is great insight into DSC2. Many thanks
I think a good way to go is to have a similar model like we have in pest control ie we need to ensure if we want to be apart of the BPCA we need to do CPD and gain 24 points minimum a year. This can be gained by , further training, workshops, breakfast meetings, even podcasts like this would count. It all proves your keeping your knowledge up to speed. So if BASC, BDS, NGO etc laid on more small bite training in certain areas of deer management, you keep your DSC2 if you get your yearly points.
@@craiggough252 very good idea! I presume listening to our podcast would count as CPD…?
Certainly would mate
Myself I’d like to do the BDS/DMQ deer management course, but they are so limited in dates available. And from what I can see they are the only organisation that does this course unfortunately.
@@craiggough252 it’s a great course! Highly recommend.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 nice one Paul!
I looked at the BASC register but I only have DSC1 (held for 3 years).
I don't get chance to go out and progress towards doing the DSC2.
I can't afford to do paid stalks either..
Do we know the procedure following a call to the apha is? What will they want the stalker to do with the carcass? Many will be in my position were as a recreation stalker we have nowhere to store a carcass not fit for consumption
Or even want to take it home
@@chewder depending on what you have found, the APHA will send someone to inspect the carcass. We have known them to ask that the carcass is left in situ.
Had a look at my records since Jan 44 Muntjac 8 Fallow 1 Red including 1 muntjac squeezed in
for DSC2 my time line was sign up AW came over shot a Muntjac put paper work in passed and carried on.
One topic subtly missed was the questions:
- should there be one cse standard that is approved and accepted across the industry?
- do you think by having various cse titles and designs by training providers "dirties the waters" of the training standard and creates confusion?
- why has this not been dealt with?
Interesting discussion though. The problem is that there are too many "individuals" in the industry looking out for themselves and not looking at the TEAM benefit.
Another question:
- what is the course of action when the landowner refuses to let the deer be shot in an area that is heavily populated and tenant farmers are suffering from deer damage to fences and crops where neighbouring farms also suffer due to the animals wandering through the night causing more damage.
There were no questions missed out deliberately, the topic of conversation was about Level 2. Both Level 1 & 2 are the industry standard and recognised across the industry. Other courses have definitely muddied the water and were undoubtedly provided for financial gain. Whilst there are one or two organisations that 'recognise' them, the industry as a whole does not.
The last question really is a discussion for the landowner and the tenant. Perhaps the tenant has certain rights within a tenancy agreement to prevent crop damage? It's certainly an unusual situation.
Regarding the 'stalks' by an approved verifier. Can these be undertaken at the deer park that I manage?. Can multiple 'stalks' be witnessed on the same day?. This was the reason I did not complete my DSC Level 2 years ago as my 'assessor' refused to accept the way I shot my deer as "a valid stalk". Because I shoot from UTV's and occasionally high seats and I head shoot the deer I was told that this was not stalking. He dismissed the level of skill required to do this, insisting that he wished for me to "crawl through undergrowth" to shoot deer qualified as a more skilled approach which defined a stalk. This was in my opinion totally incorrect. Taking deer from a park is even more difficult than in the wild as you are being watched and everything you do is noted. The trust that you are given to do the job is constantly on the line. What are your requirements for a demonstration to qualify?. Also what is the cost now of the witnessed 'stalks'?.
One of the criteria for the Individual Cull Record (ICR), is that you demonstrate the ability to stalk a suitable animal, for which purpose it must be a wild deer. The actual cull can be in a park, from a highseat or off the bonnet of a truck! But, the candidate must demonstrate their ability to approach a wild animal successfully. Deer park culling is very different and can certainly be more challenging, however, the criteria are the criteria. This is why an ICR can be completed in different parts, if you're chosen animal is a park deer or shot from a highseat ie.ambushed not physically stalked, a demonstration of stalking ability could be done separately. Those are the requirements. The cost is whatever the approved witness wants to charge, which is entirely between the stalker and witness.
@@PaulHill-t2d Hello, thanks for the reply. With regards to the requirement of the deer being wild. What if the park has 'jump in' points, allowing wild deer to enter the park and to mix with deer already in the park?. There is no way of knowing if the deer taken is wild or has been in the park for some time. How would this work?.
I don’t think a park deer can be used for your assessed stalk as you have to be able to demonstrate being able to stalk into a deer.
The cost of the witnessed stalks depends on the accredited witness and how much they charge!
@@TheDeercast The issue here seems to be the definition of stalking. Park deer ARE stalked. You still have to find them and select the correct one to take in a safe manner. How you go about doing that is stalking. If to qualify as a registered stalk this must be done on foot then that can be done in a park. The location of the deer, be it in a park or in the middle of nowhere is immaterial. Also park deer come under the same legislation as "wild" deer. They are all wild, there is no difference.
@@kris308100 the rules are the rules sadly! Head out and do a stalk outside the park and get the job done!
Hey Paul, where's the cap?🧢