The cone is based on energy dispersion. They are doing their best to simulate expansion of the bullet. If it doesn't have enough flesh or something dense to expand the bullet the cone is smaller. The simulate it by starting out with low joule loss then as the bullet travels through dlesh bone or organs it increases the joule loss dramatically and that simulation is shown as temporary wound cavity as the cone. So it starts out about 1 joule loss until about the bullet getting halfway into flesh when the cone atarts to appear. The joule loss increases gradually until it starts to lose 10-12 joules simulating expansion and temporary cavity. Ive seen it go to about 24 joules per bullet length as ot travels. That higher jouk loss is where the thicker part of the cone atarts and travels like a temporary cavity. Thats where the cavity damage traves outside the bullet path and does damage to fleshy parts the bulket didn't hit. I think the bullet actually only does about 3 joules of penetration damage as a simulated permanent wound channel, then the excess joules as the bullet expands with the "simulated cavity damage" that excess is passed to organs that touch the cone. So the small cone in the neck was because the bullet didn't have enough time to reach the expansion numbers with the extra energy loss as the bullet travels.
@@jamesbevan9989 yeah. Wasn't like that before. So in short, smaller cone from flesh and bone travel 👍. The debate is did the modify the flesh/bone cavity damage resistance or is it all just because of lower joules overall compared to before
@@bumblewoot I did some testing before the patch, wanted to do a video months ago but too busy, the system they use is the same, it's different now because of joule drop. Id have to check back to the ones before the ammo change patch but I think the cones vary more now. To do that testing is a lot of work and time. It involves spreadsheets about 650 measurements and takes a minimum of about an hour for one shot but I did get some good data and graphs showing the expansion with cone shape on graph based on the energy loss .
@@bumblewoot also not necessarily smaller from bone and flesh, just depends on energy at hit and how much flesh or bone it travel through. Flesh is smaller cone if it exits before full "expansion" effect, bone is how much energy is lost hitting bone, basically the more vertical and longer the line on your shot graph the faster the energy dump and faster the bullet slows making the cone smaller because of less energy.
agree its about 80ish percent , that if non symmetry is usually good for me too, but they can look somewhat sym if below, but havent seen many, if any, above 80 that werent
I hope in the next Roadmap we can finally get Cougars, Coyotes, Bobcats, Turkeys, Pronghorn Ect! Also A new reserve in the US Southwest perhaps New Mexico or Arizona
it is still a good laugh going to discord and seeing folks complaining about woth weapons like 7 prc being weak when the shot they posted hit flesh, bone and the a little spone. some things never change
ad far as why on road map? well think the end of year release, and its associated challenges...., and odds are, the usually have something smaller thats been in works for late oct or nov, i imagine they put some discussion on what next assessing to do and the next cycle is not set that far in advance, and have to see what branding is available to factor in
The new hunting game should set a fire underneath them to dish out more stuff. I am also waiting. I feel like they are not taking care of this game. If I was a dev id be dishing content like it's Christmas every day. Id also add a old school 4 runner in this game. Id even make it kinda like snow runner. Id even add a easter egg of bigfoot. Even the dog man. And more! Even two California's.
i am not sure if its taking more from flesh or not, but i am sure there is alot less total energy than there was before new energy loss per air distance travel, hard to really judge energy in animal changes with that
Just in time. Revisited the channel to find out if they fixed the penetration. Still the same situation as your “ double the frustration” video. What are they doing? I myself have stopped playing for a while since.
@@bumblewoot Yeh man I noticed you stopped and rightly so. I felt like playing again but wanted to see if you said they’ve fixed it but of course they haven’t. It’s so close to being what everyone wants but they just stop right before it and always have to introduce some new broken problem or made some dumb decision to ruin things. I was always scared about the ammo change update but I never expected for it to be like this. I hope you’re enjoying the other games you play instead, I too like Snowrunner. I’ve been playing the new space marine 2 game and they made a stupid decision to nerf the players too, after a big back lash they not only reverted back to what it was before but found a fair middle ground all within 1 week. I don’t know why WOTH has been the same for over 2 months. Anyways I’ll leave it there, you’re not alone in your thoughts and people love hearing you ramble on because that’s how they feel too. Keep us posted! (if you want).
The pistols. Even in call of the wild no pistols. I was gonna say maybe they are waiting on competition to see what they come out with. I realize huh.. what competition? Maybe they are putting efforts into a way of the hunter 2. But yeah logic doesn't work here.
Glad to aee a WOTH video Bumblewoot!
Clear blue skies, beautiful fall colors, and the morning ramblings of a Bumble. It makes a Monday morning bearable.
@@KodiakKing 😂🍻
glad to see you do a video, thanks.
Thanks Bumble
The cone is based on energy dispersion. They are doing their best to simulate expansion of the bullet. If it doesn't have enough flesh or something dense to expand the bullet the cone is smaller. The simulate it by starting out with low joule loss then as the bullet travels through dlesh bone or organs it increases the joule loss dramatically and that simulation is shown as temporary wound cavity as the cone. So it starts out about 1 joule loss until about the bullet getting halfway into flesh when the cone atarts to appear. The joule loss increases gradually until it starts to lose 10-12 joules simulating expansion and temporary cavity. Ive seen it go to about 24 joules per bullet length as ot travels. That higher jouk loss is where the thicker part of the cone atarts and travels like a temporary cavity. Thats where the cavity damage traves outside the bullet path and does damage to fleshy parts the bulket didn't hit. I think the bullet actually only does about 3 joules of penetration damage as a simulated permanent wound channel, then the excess joules as the bullet expands with the "simulated cavity damage" that excess is passed to organs that touch the cone. So the small cone in the neck was because the bullet didn't have enough time to reach the expansion numbers with the extra energy loss as the bullet travels.
@@jamesbevan9989 yeah. Wasn't like that before. So in short, smaller cone from flesh and bone travel 👍. The debate is did the modify the flesh/bone cavity damage resistance or is it all just because of lower joules overall compared to before
@@bumblewoot I did some testing before the patch, wanted to do a video months ago but too busy, the system they use is the same, it's different now because of joule drop. Id have to check back to the ones before the ammo change patch but I think the cones vary more now. To do that testing is a lot of work and time. It involves spreadsheets about 650 measurements and takes a minimum of about an hour for one shot but I did get some good data and graphs showing the expansion with cone shape on graph based on the energy loss .
@@bumblewoot also not necessarily smaller from bone and flesh, just depends on energy at hit and how much flesh or bone it travel through. Flesh is smaller cone if it exits before full "expansion" effect, bone is how much energy is lost hitting bone, basically the more vertical and longer the line on your shot graph the faster the energy dump and faster the bullet slows making the cone smaller because of less energy.
Great video.... I really hope they adjust the penetration, really missing the original settings.
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Holy cow a bumble video!
I like that song
agree its about 80ish percent , that if non symmetry is usually good for me too, but they can look somewhat sym if below, but havent seen many, if any, above 80 that werent
I hope in the next Roadmap we can finally get Cougars, Coyotes, Bobcats, Turkeys, Pronghorn Ect! Also A new reserve in the US Southwest perhaps New Mexico or Arizona
That would be awesome!
Turkeys! I would love it. Cougars and Pronghorns would be 😎 nice.
@@abmqa All 5 are a Must! Especially Cougars and Coyotes, they definitely should have been at launch
id imagine there will be a road map, just wont come until everyone has given up expecting one
woooooaaah nelly, a video?
Your having fun
it is still a good laugh going to discord and seeing folks complaining about woth weapons like 7 prc being weak when the shot they posted hit flesh, bone and the a little spone. some things never change
that is probably my favorite part of woth, have to make good shots no matter the weapon
and not even sure whether to expect 2 maps this year, they have been hinting a while that 2 a year was not long term sustainable
ad far as why on road map? well think the end of year release, and its associated challenges...., and odds are, the usually have something smaller thats been in works for late oct or nov, i imagine they put some discussion on what next assessing to do and the next cycle is not set that far in advance, and have to see what branding is available to factor in
Perhaps they're waiting for Lanani to return from her vacation?
The roadmap it that there is no roadmap😭
That might be the case
I think this game will fall apart... They don't listen to the community enough
I'm curious where the next map is.
@@northerntier87 everyone is 😃. A roadmap would be nice though
Ha I find it funny that a 300 win mag does better than the 9.3x62 which I have that rifle and the other a wsm. Wow
@@bumblewootnext map I predict colorado or wyoming
The new hunting game should set a fire underneath them to dish out more stuff. I am also waiting. I feel like they are not taking care of this game. If I was a dev id be dishing content like it's Christmas every day. Id also add a old school 4 runner in this game. Id even make it kinda like snow runner. Id even add a easter egg of bigfoot. Even the dog man. And more! Even two California's.
i am not sure if its taking more from flesh or not, but i am sure there is alot less total energy than there was before new energy loss per air distance travel, hard to really judge energy in animal changes with that
Just in time. Revisited the channel to find out if they fixed the penetration. Still the same situation as your “ double the frustration” video. What are they doing? I myself have stopped playing for a while since.
I took a break. But playing a bit again. I don't have much hope for the game these days like I used to
@@bumblewoot Yeh man I noticed you stopped and rightly so. I felt like playing again but wanted to see if you said they’ve fixed it but of course they haven’t. It’s so close to being what everyone wants but they just stop right before it and always have to introduce some new broken problem or made some dumb decision to ruin things. I was always scared about the ammo change update but I never expected for it to be like this. I hope you’re enjoying the other games you play instead, I too like Snowrunner.
I’ve been playing the new space marine 2 game and they made a stupid decision to nerf the players too, after a big back lash they not only reverted back to what it was before but found a fair middle ground all within 1 week. I don’t know why WOTH has been the same for over 2 months. Anyways I’ll leave it there, you’re not alone in your thoughts and people love hearing you ramble on because that’s how they feel too. Keep us posted! (if you want).
Have you seen Project Hunt.
Yes. I'll have to put it on the wish list. It's a bit too much atm
The pistols. Even in call of the wild no pistols. I was gonna say maybe they are waiting on competition to see what they come out with. I realize huh.. what competition? Maybe they are putting efforts into a way of the hunter 2. But yeah logic doesn't work here.