Lu Xiaojun Enters the REVERSE Hyperbolic Time Chamber (Steroids is a Hell of a Drug!)
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Steroids is hell of a drug people. I recently caught wind of Lu Xiaojun and his current DYEL status, which is honestly pretty remarkable. Lu is one of the greatest Olympic weightlifters to ever live: 3 time Olympic champion, 5 time world champion, world record holder, king of the former 77kg weight class and then king of the 81kg class after that.
That all makes this reverse transformation pretty mind blowing, in my opinion. Lu Xiaojun has been training probably his entire life and he's been competing on the international stage for almost 2 decades now, and he has obviously been cycled off all of his gear for a little while now - and perhaps for the first time ever since he has gained wide spread social media recognition? Or perhaps this is something his team does frequently and this is just the first time they have allowed anything like this to be shown publicly.
And for good reason if that's the case! Because it's really suspicious. If you're WADA you kind of have to feel like they're waving a big old middle finger at you right now.
Either way, I'm not making this video to discuss doping protocols in Olympic weightlifting, or drug testing, or fairness in sport, or anything like that. But rather to pontificate on the potential EFFECTIVENESS of anabolic steroids, and the distinctions between natty and enhanced lifters.
Because 2 things really, really jump out at me here after seeing this footage of Lu Xiaojun:
1: those drugs have worked absolute MIRACLES for a lifter like Lu.
2: the amount of strength and muscle loss here in such a rapid time is freaking absurd and nothing short of staggering.
I give my expanded thoughts on both of these things in today's video! If you enjoy this style of video and find the content to be informative then please remember to hit the like button, leave a friendly comment, and subscribe to my channel as well. Keep training hard guys!
-Alec
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0:00 Lu Xiaojun Enters the Reverse Hyperbolic Time Chamber
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4:35 The 2 things that really jump out at me about this
5:17 Deep diving into point #1
6:38 Sh*t enhanced guys say
6:55 Enhanced guys downplay the effectiveness of steroids
8:28 Deep diving into point #2
9:52 Lu is weak AF right now
11:30 Natty gains are NOT fleeting like this
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"anti-athleanx plates"
loooolll
That makes more sense to my brain than him being this weak right now lol.
Ive noticed that natty traning is slow in both ends. You gain muscle slowly but you also lose it slowly when you stop training. In other words even when you completely stop training it takes a long time to lose all that muscle unless youre in a big calorie deficit.Steroids make you gain muscle fast but you also lose them fast when you stop taking them. That makes natty the obvious choice for me because even if you take a "break" from lifting you will still maintain your gains for a long time.
"Slow on both ends." Very good way to put it!
This has been my experience as well. Every time I've taken my deloads too far I end up making up for the lost progress extremely quickly and gaining quickly. I know it's bro science but it seems like you can re-sensitize your muscles to stimulus through deloads as a natty lifter
@@Ragniirox that isn’t bro science? That’s the actual science as far as I know?
I am gonna go outdeadlift an olympic gold medalist weightlifter today, feels good man.
We all are man, we all are.
Not for long
@@MarijuanaGuy Depends, maybe Ill slam twice his peak amount of gear with some extra tren sprinkled ontop and quit my job to lift.
might not actually be that hard tbh if you're reasonably gifted
@@F-Tier_Physiquehow retarded are you exactly
Ye its kinda crazy how a somehow one as accomplished as lu is, is unable to deadlift 4plates for 1 rep, also if you watch the guys in back watching him they all look so shocked to see him doing so little. I guess being the golden goose really is a curse
And some ppl still want/think they need to take steroids.
It's pretty crazy seeing someone you consider to be your idol look so much smaller. I mean, really mediocre. If that's what the best look like off gear, it won't be much better for them. Just look at how much Arnold shrank during his movie days. Not even close to his peak.
There'll never be these crazy fluctuations in physique quality when natural. You'll always be at your peak. And you'll maintain most of your muscle when you're older. You won't have to maintain on TRT forever either.
Idk how being dependent on drugs for the rest of your life could possibly be perceived as a positive form of masculinity. But we have a crap ton of steroid users who are celebrated these days. Couldn't be more superficial...
I went out of my way to cut muscle mass during lockdown to try and beat some old running PRs. It was significantly harder than I thought it would be. Even doing lots of running, doing little to no calisthenics, and - frankly - not eating enough to support the running I was doing. These lads on steroids, no matter what the level or time they've spent lifting, seem to deflate like footballs. It's insane.
Being on PEDs seems to be almost like walking around wearing a strap-on.
Agreed
You’re lucky, I’m natural and lose noticeable gainz if I don’t train for a week
@@conor3361 you cannot physiologically lose muscle mass that quickly. It's either in your head, or it's muscle glycogen and intra-muscular/subcutaneous water retention fluctuations.
@@EnkiriElite They didn't say there were losing it quickly...
@@mafftheholy8370 "you're lucky, I'm natural and lose noticeable gains I don't train for a week."
A week is pretty quick where I come from.
"Reverse hyperbolic time chamber"
LMAO, nice one.
Also, that blinking and 10% stronger hahah, although I do love him.
Glad you appreciated that!
Blinking 10% stronger than last time!
Keeping it real brother, your hard naturally work pays off and it's inspiration 💯
As soon as I saw your ad the damn Bob and Brad jingle started in my head!
“It’s just TRT!!”😂😂
That one was easy to guess. The one where he is constantly blinking, that one is easy too. The other ones, I don’t know.
@@Chin-Hwa i got the TRT but not the blinking, who is that?
@@Tennyson999 I believe, along with others in this comment section, that the blinking is none other than Dr. Mike Israetel.
Who is the TRT one?
@@IncredibleGrim should be greg doucette
I didn't train for a year after I broke my shoulder. I didn't look as bad as Lu does and I never looked better than he did on gear, so yeah gear does do wonders.
Yeah they make you only 10 % stronger...
... more like instantly 10 % stronger while allowing you to build 3x as much muscle lmao
10% stronger on the top of 500% more muscle you build is a lot more than steroid users like to admit.
@@railander Yup, and even then they're all like "wE STill HaVe to tRAin HaRd". Like yeah, no shit, but y'all get to train harder and recover from it, if I could do 50 sets a week for my delts, and still recover, I would, too
Btw who are you talking about tho, i missed the reference
@@IncredibleGrim I'm talking about juiceheads in general. The excessive blinking is a reference to Dr. Mike Israetel
"Its not about steroids, its about technique."
His technique is still great! The numbers on the bar are just....um, not what they once were.
Lu stopped lifting for a year and dosed off eveything, but yeah you are so right. Enhanced lifters undermining the pure and beautiful pursuit of natty strength and size.
Almost every single sport sadly is tainted with this too, sadly. It's pretty much impossible to know what true natty potential could be now.
Damn sponsored by Bob and Brad. You know you're doing something right!
*Confused Lu Raise noises* 😯
A Mike, Greg, and maybe Jason Blaha impersonation haha 😂. (You got their mannerisms down)
Chuckled at your impression of renaissance periodization
Shhhh
I'm still a novice, but you're damn right about natty gains not fleeting. I started off pretty damn weak and built my lifts up for about 9 months. One lift as an example was getting my OHP from 3 sets of 5 reps at 75 lbs to 140 lbs. I just took about 6~7 months off and got back to lifting just last week. First working weight was 125 for 3x5, and this week I'm already back to 135 for 3x5 after all that time off. The base pretty much stayed for a number of months for the other lifts, too, and I should be back to progressing past where I was before on all of them likely on my first session next week. 2 weeks to gain back 9 months of progress made as a natural after almost 7 months off. Really happy that this is the case as I now know that the effort I put in doesn't just go away completely with downtime.
“Shit juiceheads say” could be a funny ass series 😂
"You can take all the gear in the world and still not be me!"
Bob and Brad true OG's
This is like 2018 Alec. Brutally hilarious.
I wonder why Lu looks and lifts like that. Wonder if he got sick or had something personal. I usually don't see people downsizing and going back to compete.
Something personal happening is always a possibility. But my guess would just be that he wanted to take a break, perhaps even considered retiring, and then decided be wanted to male one final run in Paris.
@@EnkiriElite China has a one year lockdown quanrantine for a lot of major cities. Even getting food is a major problem.This affects everyone who lives in the country, no exception for athletes. Anyone who just remotely follow current turn of events and world politics will get this...
@@runhenry lol yeah man. Right on.
@@runhenry china would NEVER let ppl starve so they get recognition on the world stage. China and the US have famously never committed any human rights violations. Lu is just gonna pull himself up by his bootstraps for his paris run
There were speculations that he was slimming down to compete in the -60s as he's said in interviews that he struggles staying in the -80s and in the next Olympics they've bumped it up to -89. But in a very recent training vlog he looked like he's regaining his size.
So probably he just took a long time completely off training and now he's getting back on the roids.
I read somewhere that the last time he was recorded lifting was Japan so it’s been over a year since then.
That is pretty eye opening, wow
Brillant assesment!
This just motivates me to not use steroids, perhaps TRT when im old. I really like having strenght of my own, also got no competetive ambitions.
TRT is for the weak and lazy who want a quick fix instead of addressing their health problems.
Yeah I maintained a lot of size despite not training for months (lost some size of course but not that much and regained it relatively quickly) during covid lockdowns as well as having covid myself. Now Im back to where I was. If youre natty you keep your size for a long time and dont need to rely on needles.
Everyone at my gym is on gear and I'm still bigger than most of them natural, don't even take those useless supplements either. Pretty sad they have such insecurities.
I’m competitive asf, but I compete drug tested. I don’t wanna get into the steroid game, it’s simply not worth it.
Trt is gay
This video needs more views
brilliant speech 👍
Damn, there was a moment when a portion of YT fitness was mirin Lu for being built like an action figure and the stacked traps.
I'm still mirin. But I was never deluded enough to believe he was natty.
@@EnkiriElite yep definitely not natty. he competes at the top level so he likely used alot.
I already like your content but shit you’re bob & brad approved too! Lmao 🤘🏾
Now that's a creative title
I wish so badly for people to wake up and realise not only the ENORMOUS role that PEDs play at the top level of sport, but also the effects they have are substantial. The greatest gift of staying natural is that once you achieve the muscle/strength, you have to be INCREDIBLY lazy to lose even a fraction of it.
Excellent video Alec, a video that deserves hundreds of millions of views👍👍👍
People like Mike Israetel keep doing a disservice by making videos like his video titled "How much do steroids help for strength (not as much as you think)" where the dude seriously underestimates how much steroids help and then proceeds to say crap like how most top level athletes like Ray Williams are natty and it's just all "genetics". And funny thing is Mike is a roid junkie himself so he would know better than anyone how much peds really help. They really trying to keep the facade of "steroids don't help much" up real hard, it's like a heroin addict saying "it's not that bad for you bro".
I am glad people like Pete Rubish exist though, he is extremely honest about how much peds help and you can even compare his on PED lifts to his now off PED lifts to really get a gauge of how much steroids really help. Pete lost like more than 500lbs from his total and his bodyweight is like only 20lbs less. PEDs are extremely fucking potent and anyone who even remotely suggests "they don't help much" is lying outta their ass.
there is no scientific evidence whatsoever on the difference in the rate of loss of muscle mass and strength in the case of natural lifters versus steroid enhanced lifters. I don't get why people and even coaches here acting weird and puzzled over his loss of strength and muscle, as if THAT is the very proof of him using steroid. I stopped training squat for 6 months during covid in 2020 and lost over 15 lbs, and my squat number went down from 325lbs to just 185 when I came back to it. Does that mean I'm on roid? Of course not! lmao. Lu is probably on roid. But your reasoning is just ridiculous
@@runhenry I understand where you’re coming from, but compare your 325 to 185 regression to Lu’s 595 to 375 regression (I believe there’s footage of him squatting 375 in one of these recent videos): not only did he lose more on his squat, his squat is at an elite to world class standard (probably world class for his weight) whereas your squat is an intermediate level weight (no offence)
The reality is, yes the fact he didn’t train didn’t help, but the standard from which his strength has fallen to where it is now, especially for his bodyweight, just screams blatant PED use.
@@coley0172 I went down from 325 to 185 in a matter of ONLY 6 months, whereas Lu stopped training for one entire year-----of couse, he is going to experience more drastic strength loss. But even THAT is untrue. Why? Let's do some math here: my strength loss ratio in 6 months is 185/325=60% (which means I retained 60% of my prior peak strength and lost 40% of it), Lu's strength loss ratio in a span of one year is 375/595 = 63 % (which means he retained 63% of prior strength and lost 37% of it) -------WHAT? I ended up losing more strength than he does in a much shorter period of time. Not only did I lose more strength, but I lost much more quickly. By your logic (the more natural the lifter, the more slowly he loses strength in a given amount of time), since I'm a natural lifter (unless you doubt that I am lmao), Lu must even be MORE entitled to be a natural lifter since he lost strength much more slowly in a Double amount of time that I did....Again, nobody is questioning whether he uses PED or lot. I think that's clear to anyone who does not have illusions about elite competitve sports. But your reasoning to that conclusion does not hold at all, neither does that of the video uploader
@@runhenry On a side note, I’m hoping we can just maintain this as a respectful debate, we just seem to be of opposing opinions is all)
I do think you need to consider the absolute numbers again.
Lu dropped from a 595 squat, a world class number, to an advanced number let’s say (possibly late intermediate); you can’t compare that kind of strength loss with your strength loss; 325 to 185 is not the same. Factor in his size loss and drastic change in his appearance (notably his traps) aswell, PEDs were most certainly involved
Lu just forgot to take his vitamins and probably skipped saying his prayers...
Damn I forgot, my prayers too! That's why my ohp is stalled. Fudge
BROTHER!
Some people are hyper-responders to prayer
@@antipaganda5635 this comment is sarcastic but still true in its own way 😂
He has done this before in 2017 so it seems to work.
Coked up lol all good
Video made alot of good points.👍
That scream "its just trt" with the vest on was unreal 😅
That was GOOD👌
Just did a video on this also. Probably the craziest transformation I’ve ever seen. And now he gained literally 50kg on his deadlift and squat in ONE WEEK!!
1. Marc Lobliner 2. Blaha 3. Mike Isratel 4. Layne 5. ????????? 6. Greg Doucette
who's the "science" he's mimicking
Surely Blaha's natty? Otherwise he got the worst return on investment of all time
I’ve been training for so long. I look like the before transformations of these Influencers. I look better than 80% of gym goers and 95% of dudes out in public. I Just recently accepted my body. This is icing on the cake.
I took a 9 month break for lifting cuz I was lazy. I lost little to no muscle in that time. Only strength which is coming back
Good to see my deadlift is at ''Olympic Gold Medal" level lol
Man youre hilarious. I got almost every one of these influencers from your act. Good one. PS im on gear and still love you. Love me back please!
Nothing but love bro
Appreciate ya chiming in on this and keeping it how it is.
I've heard some Natural lifters
*cough *cough *cough Ramsey Dewey not even mentioning the drugs as if it's not even a factor.
edit: Zack Did mentioned it at the end my Mistake 🙏 but average viewer has clicked off the video. by that point ☝️
The 2 things are yin and yang....drugs and training, white and rice, peanut butter and jelly...to ignore one aspect in the name of being PC is a bit silly.
"Reverse hyperbolic time chamber;" "anti-athlean x plates". Lmao Alec you're a fucking savage.
Hahah thanks bro 🙏
Lu natural makes me look big👀😂
I've heard that Lu is probably going to aim to compete in the 73 kg category in Paris.
If he was competing at 81 kg lean in Tokyo, how's he going to make the 8 kg difference?
By losing muscle mass.
So on top of not training for a year and cycling off, he probably intentionally cut weight as well to make his new weight class.
I heard the samething, no point of him competing in higher class. He will destroy everyone in lighter class
The biggest giveaway is difference in size of his traps.
Damn Alec ... pretty much everything you said in this video summarizes my thoughts on the matter. I have trained as a natural for 22 years ... I have friends I have trained with regularly over the years, I know lots of people from multiple gyms ... some natural, some who take PEDs ... I know the steroid gains of 10% is absolute bollox for many trainees ... I do plan on taking some peds one day when the time is right ... I'm 42 now, but I would bet alot of money that with PEDs I could absolutely smash all my PRs and look the best I have ever been at 50 plus years on PEDs... I might even do a UA-cam vid to document it.
The 10% is weight capped.
@@soonahero Yes mate, I have seen the Greg Knuckols article ... I still think that is a conservative figure based on my experience. Though I am happy to accept the 10% gains in strength pound for pound as an average ... it is the guys who gain the 15 to 20% plus strength gains who we regularly see down playing the effects.
I think he still looks great tbh
It's a question of how well an individual responds to anabolics.
I know guys that are genuine natty freaks but don't respond too well to androgens,I also know those that can't gain naturally for shit yet surpass the natty freaks when "on".
It's a question of how efficiently each individuals receptors assimilate and use the exogenous source of hormones.
Being strong naturally doesn't necessarily mean you'll blow the records away if you juice up .
I know this from my personal experience.
I agree, it all comes down to individual responsiveness. That's part of what bugs me about science guys generalizing based off of data...like yeah, some guys may "only get a 10% boost." But that's obviously not the case with somebody like Lu. You also have these career athletes who have obviously been using since they were 15 years old screwing with your data sets. The shit is not infallible.
@@EnkiriElite It is surprising with Lu ,he must have been "on" the entire duration of his career from a kid .
Id guess steroid non responders are in the extreme minority. Never heard of someone say that steroids havent had a significant effect on their strength and physique
@@HeadShoht There's a spectrum.
That’s a big problem if true. Sports should be about testing talent and hard work, not about how well you respond to chemical compounds. PEDs really do need to be banned
Hey kind of an irrelevant question but do you retract your scapula for anything other than bench press and chest exercises in general? I do it for almost every exercises I perform in the gym. Is this unnecessary? If it is, can you tell me the only exercises I do need to do this on? I would appreciate your input.
Your scapula is designed to move for a reason. Let it do it's thing.
Wow, that is shocking. Still have massive respect for the guy. But would love to see what those PED downplayers have to say about this
I guess he is going for his post natty, natty max and then hitting the ginseng to go over 9000 and goatbloatmax
What makes this worse is that he's a tested athlete. Meaning, he's limited in what drugs he can take and when he can take them. A limitation that most the other fitness influencers you were mentioning won't have to worry about. This means the disparity between their natural physique and their enhanced physique would be even greater, because they'd be using more ideal drugs and more optimal dosing cycles and periods.
He's also an actual competing athlete, so his incentive to train would be higher than an influencer who doesn't have that consider as well.
So with all this in mind, if _this_ how Lu looks after coming off, imagine how many of them would look if they did. And how much weaker they'd be. It's insane to think about.
Thats why they wouldnt even dare to cycle off lol until they die.
Good point. Makes me curious as to how Larry Wheels will look like in the next few months lol
@@AaronLim2 Pretty sure Larry isn't going cold turkey. He said he was going on TRT doses. Which translates to less than usual depending on who you ask.
It'd be much more interesting to see these people go straight cold turkey.
@@helphowdoinputusername3571 TRT aka "75% of my usual test dosage and no orals"
Oh boy, I'm expecting some salty fanboys
I'm just being realistic here lol I love Lu.
I need to know which UA-camrs Alec was parodying lmao, I definitely recognize some of them but can’t put my finger to who exactly they are
The study of powerlifters that shows the 10-15% strength gain from PEDs discounts the amount of size the lifters gained in the first place.
That GShred impression tho HAHAHA
that section about shit enhanced lifters say needs to be a youtube short and on ig and tiktok for sure even tho i don't use both now i believe it will do well lol
It's like plants, some respond better to fertilizer than others. He's that piece of corn that gives you 300 bushels....
Wait... I can Deadlift more than Lu in his natty form?!, yeah my 1RM is 185kg, but holy shit, he is Lu freaking Xiaojun. Boy you won't get me down this cloud for months
I don’t see how this should be an ego boost
To be fair he apparently took an extended break from training completely after Tokyo Olympics. SO its probably a combo of coming off and stopping training.
The catabolic time chamber 😅
😂😂😂 good one
Natty all day. You're an inspiration for my training bro, love what you do!
💯✔Agree with you.
Maybe he's just taking some time off I mean it's funny reverse hyperbolic Time chamber. The only time I let myself go we were in lockdown over here and I was a big old boy I'm usually between 11 and 14% I haven't really watched the video yet but it's going to be fun to see your opinion on it my guess is he's just relaxing for a minute.
Lu is pulling off an Ilya right now. Interesting how he’ll progress within one year
He'll be back at PR levels within a year.
Apparently he wasn’t training either. He said he just did his firs clean and jerk in over a year
This is what happens to you when you listen to hardstyle zyzz playlist in reverse
Wow he's basically as strong/same size as me now
And just a couple months later he's almost back to his old form lol
I have heard success at the Olympic levels for certain sports has less to do with your natural talent and and more in having the strongest liver and response to drugs
That's pretty much all sports, powerlifter Dan Green's stack was leaked once and the dosages would make your liver explode from just hearing it. Basically when people talk about the "Elite genetics" of a top athlete, just assume they mean "strong ass liver and amazing response to peds".
Yeah advanced Naturals don’t lose muscle that fast
i have a renpho massage gun that has the exact same case, gun design, attachments and everything lol. must be using the same chinese manufacturing companies
the mike israetel impression was very concise
which part was mikes impression?
6:45
@@Marko-ij4vy the blinking
@@dereklong2839 Oh yeah at first I thought it was shot at greg nuckols because he wrote an article on his stronger by science site that steroids improve perfomance by 10% but now looking at the blinking its obviously mike.
@Connor Knight Greg is at 6:54
Preach
Can you post a body transformation video after a year off training so I can make a video of you proving you're on steroids too?? Thanks
they gonna say he was injured and couldnt train or some bs like that lol
Yeah for sure
I just visited your site. Is it only possible to book when I am from the US? Would be sad...
Ah nvm. Only the financing part I guess.
@@maxaffe3195 yeah, just the financing. I train people from all over the world!
Calling it the Alec raise instead of Lu raise now
I don't think I deserve that!
This is what happens when you either cycle off you go down to a real medical dose of TRT. There a few big UA-cams that claim just TRT at this very moment but it's obviously BS. I know what happens when my clients decide to cycle off or go down to TRT.
They think they're going to maintain a crazy physique with TRT and then they get disappointed and then ramp the dosage up again. Or they believe their genetics are shit because of following guys like Greg Doucette.
My guess is Lu was off altogether for a while before he started this current comeback, and that he is on again as of right now. He just looks too deflated for me to think he even has a TRT dose, although perhaps that is the wool being pulled over my eyes by those other UA-camrs that you mentioned!
@@EnkiriElite I too think he was completely off all PEDs here (very, very low naturally T production at this point hence the massive decline in physique and strength) ... possibly for health reasons.
Can't even blame the guy. If I was an Olympic level athlete...yeah, I'd be on the juice too. And not out of choice but out of necessity because everyone is on them lol.
I don't blame him at all. I don't judge the decision and I respect athletes who grind for years on end. I am simply pointing out the inconsistencies in logic you typically hear spouted off on UA-cam fitness as it pertains to anabolic steroids and gains.
@@EnkiriElite You're right, some of the stuff you see people comment on UA-cam is ridiculous lol. Tons of people saying yeah steroid don't do that much blah blah blah...yeah right lmfao. When I see a 16 year old kid to 21 year old transformation video and the kid is skin and bones at 16 and then absolutely shredded with a 315 bench and his veins have veins...like come on. I'm sure you worked hard but you're on juice. And no shame in it just don't lie to people tbh. + you're totally right that natty gains are far far superior.
That reminds me of doucette saying PEDs are just the icing on the cake lol....yea right.
If it’s just icing on the cake, then the icing is the fucking cake lol
Hey Alec. You should review some of bob and brads content. They arent a fitness channel but I do think that their content somtimes falls into the athleanx realm of things. Ive seen many of their recycled videos talking shit on basic compound movements and fearmongering certain activities in the gym. Im surprised to find you sponsoring their products
Hey man! Please bear in mind this was just a product endorsement, not necessarily a content endorsement. I wanted a massage gun and they sell a good massage gun. I also bought the leg massager with my own cash shortly after, for what it's worth.
Their videos on neck strain and shoulder impingement helped me out greatly, so at least some of their content is legitimate. I guess that nobody can be correct 100% of the time though. There might be some reverse survivorship bias going on, where the only deadlifters they see are ones who perform the movement with way too much load and with egregiously poor form. They wouldn't see better deadlifters in their clinics since those deadlifters would never need their physical therapy seevices in the first place.
@@lobsypobsy that's a pretty good point
@@EnkiriElite . . . sing it with me "the most famous physical therapists, on the internet" (sing-songy). Hey, you do you. There's worse things to be endorsing than Bob & Brad's compact but efficacious vibrating gun, some meal service company, and whatever. I really wish folks wouldn't get all bent out of shape (or even a little bent out of shape) when some on-line S&C guy takes on endorsements to pay the bills.
@@mikeb8924 I appreciate you looking at it from a pragmatic perspective. I have been highly selective in the products I have chosen to do promo for. I have received HUNDREDS of offers at this point....and literally the ones I have done so far are some food, sunglasses, a massage gun, oleksiy torokhtiy's products, and the tib bar guys products. But people wanna give me shit for a massage gun lol
Did they tell him that his services are no longer required at his normal weight class but he's welcome to try out at lighter slots should an entry point be available?
@e.e li dayin doesn't have a good full clean and full snatch, well it's strong but much like Tien it's too unreliable.
What do y'all think his stack is
Turkesterone, creatine and raw liver.
black coffee and a jumbo Banana
Bro takes an extra flintstone gummy and 6 grams creatine.
Chicken brocolli rice, and hard work
i didnt know you would sell out to nocebo kings bob and brad lmao
Only thing I discussed was a massage gun, no?
It’s the lighting he’s clearly still stacked.
I disagree. If he was he wouldn't be so weak.
6:46 Mike Isreatel? Last one probably 'coach' greg. What about the rest?
Lu Xiaojun fan boys after watching the video:
"dude, that is totally the lighting making him look skinnier, not the lack of training and the 3 grams of stanozolol (weekly) + warmup pre-snatch halotestin bottle"
Comeon. Nobody actually says taht shit
Damn he must have gone off BCAA's
Was the blinky one mike isratel?
I'll never say!!!
@@EnkiriElite You should, Mike spews a lot of bs from time to time (Doug Miller natty lmao) and it's frustrating to see almost nobody calling him out on his bs
Imagine the sharp pain of realizing that you were great not for your skill but Because of the drugs you took
They were all on steroids. Lu win because of skill
@harleyzeth
He’s a once in a lifetime responder to PED’s is what he is
Even though he did lose strength, I still wouldn’t call him “scrawny”, “weak”, or especially “looks like he’s never seen a barbell”. There’s still a lot of people out there that can’t do what he’s doing even after the muscle and strength loss.
Of course. I was being hyperbolic and speaking relative to the individual in question
still mogs the daylights out of me on the right
The amount of coping from oly lifting channels is off the charts
I haven't watched anyone else's videos on this topic so I don't even know what other people have been saying!
Clear sign that they all use. A huge portion is always the medical "support".
They dont even let WADA enter the country etc...
Absolutely damning for natties that do Oly training for size
I mean ngl if your main goal is hypertrophy and not getting better at the olympic lifts why would you focus on the olympic lifts. That’s like starting swimming instead of lifting because you think elite swimmers look aesthetic
@@hj-hv6rt agree
cant slate the guy he was stronger than every human on the planet pound for pound at one point in time
it's quite insane how many ppl are on some sort of test nowadays .. regular joe's
looking forward to the prescription testosterone "shortage" I am sure we get in the next decade
Holy fucking shit, I hope NH makes a video about this whole situation