After seeing Larenz Tate play the role of O-Dog its hard to picture anyone else in that role. Larenz Tate killed that. Perfectly performed as a young troublesome kid coming up in the hood.
@@ashtonrussell Tupac didn't want the O-Dog role. He said in an interview with The Source that John Singleton told him he wanted to be Scorsese to Pac's DeNiro. He wanted Pac to be the lead actor in his movies. So Pac told the Hughes brothers that he only wanted a small role in Menace. He described the Sharif character as a "sucker role". Sharif was a square. I don't see Pac as that character. As Tyrin said, Vonte Sweet nailed it.
Its only hard to picture cause no one else has played the role lol but Larenz Tate, If Pac played that role then it be hard to picture someone else playing that role to if you know what i mean
Larenz Tate acted his ass OFF as O-Dogg... to this day Larenz Tate is STILL O-Dogg to me no matter what movie he is in... Larenz killt that shit... Me watching another movie featuring Larenz Tate: "Oh shit, O-Dogg in this movie?"
The movie role so iconic for him my dumbass barely even be noticing it’s him sometimes cuz he be playin cops, all types of roles and just seeing him older and without the dreads be throwing me off 😂 like when I first seen him in power I was like I know this guy from somewhere and later in the episode realized he’s O Dog 🤦♂️😂
He made a very good point. O-Dog was that dude that looks innocent that could charm your parents to think their boy is hanging out with a good kid from the neighborhood when he is really the most evil of devils. Larenz Tate was meant for that role. Good casting.
Larenz Tate played that part to perfection!!! Nobody and I mean nobody could play that part better than him! The whole movie was casted perfectly!!! A true classic!!!
I get what he is saying Lorenz Tate was the right balance of boyish and savage. They wanted the guy that if you saw him you wouldn't think he got down like that.
@yagka6674don’t act like he shot on duty police officers in uniform though, we all know if they was in uniform the situation would’ve been way different. 💯
@@Incredible_Geez they’d be better off sayin something like “Pac so hard he shot two white dudes for jumping a black man and come to find out those two white dudes just so happened to be off duty police” if they wanna big up pac as a gangster so badly.
Shareef was trying to move out the hood and was very positive and end up being the first one got popped in the drive by Caine caused. Its a shame cause they was literally moving out the hood when it happened
Yep but that’s an example of hanging with the wrong people. GOD sends warning before destruction. Shareef should have stopped fooling with cane after that police incident
those are his people bro and they did nothing wrong in that police incident..i see what your saying but he thought he was doing the right thing by witnessing and preaching to his peers he had a big heart a true example is when he stayed with harold as he was laying on the street dying
I mean Pac already had died as Bishop he died as Birdie in above the rim only movie he didnt die in was poetic justice i never seen gridlocked idk bout that one but his character got killed off a few times so would have stirred up the question like damn why Pac gotta get killed in every movie???
I understand what he was saying about the baby face and the innocence of it all, some people would have saw Tupac and would immediately expect him to be mean and evil due to the role he previously played but when I saw O’Dog I was like he is so cute and innocent, it shocked the fuck out of me when The personality and morals of his character came out
@Reality Check stop that stereotype bullshit. I grew up without a dad and never been to jail living in the hood. My oldest son grew up with me in his life he stays in and out of jail. So it has nothing to do with what u said and everything to do with choices and decisions period.
@vancepham1743 dude there are many people without dads who aren’t in prison it’s just a popular excuse, for instance what happens when there is a war like the civil war in America where a lot of men died, did all of those fatherless children go to prison and commit crimes was it popular in the media to say women can’t raise children by themselves ? Stop it Stop being programmed to give a certain response 😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄
If they showed or explained how Sharif was being in the streets before something significant made him change his life and become a Muslim it would've made sense seeing as it'd show his character development
Tyrin talks nervous just like the part in Menace To Society when Bill Duke`s character was interrogating him about that murder in the grocery store, and every time Tyrin would contradict himdself Bill Duke would say "You know you dun F up now right?"
I think he has anxiety is why and thinks super quickly and opinionated in his beliefs. You can tell. He gets irritated with the interviewer some, it's all over his facial mannerisms.
But the crazy thing is, I can’t even picture pac being a man living at his mama house , with no job , getting punked by his Mamas boyfriend, unless they just made the character that way for tyrese😂😂😂
@@AllThingsKen yeah but he was Hustling to get up out of there, plus he had a job, two kids , he wasn’t a bum Jody on the other hand ain’t have a job , and yeah he did sell woman dresses for a lil bit but it wasnt long, and he enjoyed staying at his mama house, and gets punked by Melvin 24/7😂😂
I get what he's saying because Tupac's stare was like the look of a "wolf" or a "killer." Also, his voice was much more intense and intimidating when he was animated. That might have been harder for the audience to suspend from consciousness in the moments that were more light-hearted. That's ironic because Pac could easily be gentle and kind in his expressions as well. R.I.P💯
@@ijumpjudy you realize pac was fighting all the time shooting at police in and out of jail taking on the gds in Chicago and hella shit the only reason why most of these niggas still around today is cuz they wasnt really living like that but pac was shut yo ass up
True, He was actually outshined by Larenz & a few others in that movie. To be fair those others had more prior acting experience than him. Larenz was a child actor, Jada was already on TV on Doogie Hauser episodes & A Different World.. He's the only one who didn't blow up after Menace. A few of the others went on to have good careers. He had the small role in Belly & it was a wrap. He wasn't that great of an actor which is why the studio didn't want him. The Hughes brothers wanted him Because he had the "Look" of many young black teens in the hood. I remember watching the behind the scenes stuff on the DVD & they were big on his Look, so they had him keep working with an acting coach while the casted
So basically King Von was the real life O’dog. But he was from the O-Block in Chicago. Cause they both were charming, slightly shy, childlike, innocent looking, soft spoken, and handsome. But were complete demons!!! So a dangerous weapon for the streets!!! If the kid lived and changed his life, he could’ve definitely played the new version of O’Dog in a Netflix Series or streaming platform. Would’ve been dope.
Yeah, Tyrin's off base there. Menace came out in what, '93? 2Pac was only like 21-22 years old. Was he that much older than Larenze Tate and Tyrin Turner in that era? They all seemed about the same age. All three could've played teenagers/high school grads.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un I think he was talking about facial features tho. Pac always looked n seemed older than his age. Larenz tate had a history of playing kids to teenagers up until that point..he had more youthful facial features. He still look like a young bol 2day...no base in his voice or nothing...lol
We forget that O Dog was only 16...That's what made the character so raw. At that time many people in the country didn't know about the baby-faced k*llers...NOW THEY HAVE THEM IN EVERY MAJOR CITY IN AMERICA.
Imo Pac wasn't probably arrogant. He just knew his worth from scratch. He should've been a main character! I think & playing that little small side character would've done him less justice than the Hughes brothers received when he let them direct they 1st video & stuff
@@bennyaruba3449 I see pac playing Kaine cuz he was already cool with jada on set. And tyrin turner talking about that like that cuz he was tryna tap Jada lol
The Hughes brothers already had ideas about the movie and i think the script was already written. Pac was just the after thought who was written in the script at the last minute because the company who financed the movie told the Hghes brothers at the last minute that they wanted Pac in the movie, atleast that`s how i took it from one of the Allen Hughes interview i seen.
Pac was supposed to have alot of movie roles: 1. Sharif- Baby Boy 2. Cool Runnings 3. Malik- Higher Learning 4. Mace Windu- Star Wars: Phantom Menace 5. Bubba- Forrest Gump Heck and just hypothetically speaking he could of played a good Django, Killmonger, Joker, Wolf of wallstreet all that shit.
00:14 He said correctly, actors are given a job and can not come on try to change things. Thats why the movie is a classic because the crew did not want to deal with a spoiled actor. Lorenz Tate killed that role 💯
They’re wouldn’t be a movie if it wasnt for pac it’s easy for the nigga playing the main character who had no other movie roles before this to tell someone to be quiet and be a good soldiers that’s not pac’s nature at all
U are wrong. Plenty actors have signed on to movies and changed literally everything about a character. For instance Rachel McAddams requested more screen time and a bunch of other stuff when she did Mean Girls. Pac was the reason that movie got green lit. They could've atleast listened to his ideas being that the movie wouldn't have been made without him. Tyrin wouldn't have had a breakout role as Caine without Pac. Pac just wanted more background on the character because he wasn't feeling how they would punk Sharif all the time and talk to him crazy.
@Everything's A Go Podcast tupac was spoiled and annoying. Thats why the movie is a classic without his spoiled energy. Lorence Tate would of been a better Bishop 💯
The movie wouldn’t even exist without Tupac. Actors change things about their roles all the time. Pac was no different. He was probably over dramatic but he had a point. Pac acted as Bishop and later on played Birdie. He could definitely play O-Dog. Larenz Tate was great playing O-Dog.
Interesting. Big up to the brother that played Shareef but he has a point. If they gave 2pac some space to develop the character, he could've put of a black militant radical edge to the role
Maybe before the movie came out, the idea of O-Dog, I could see Pac playing the role. But after seeing the movie Larenz was just too great in the role, I can't see ANYBODY playing the role. He owns it 100%, his performance is just too good.
Not hood enough for me, when you from the projects you see flaws in certain people acting doesn't add up all the way still played the part alright just not with perfection
Tupac didn’t fit in this movie his character is too big to not be a focal point, and Cane and OlDog was played by the perfect ppl that matched the characters they played. It happened the way it was supposed to 🤷🏿♂️👍🏿✌🏿
Larenz tate is my second favorite actor.. his range is amazing. From menace to inkwell to why do fools where he played three different characters in one.
Bottom line is that Pac came to the set to take THAT role and he should’ve stuck to his agreement to do it. He didn’t have a right to call shots on someone else’s set. If you wanna be the gangsta Muslim, make your own film. The Hughes Brothers had a budget and had to get the movie done within certain parameters. Why blow that and phuckup all the plans because ONE actor doesn’t wanna play ball? Larenz Tate did an excellent job.
Tyrin has always been 1 of my favourite actors. Even though I did not see much of his other films, other the menace 2 society. He killed that roll. He has a genuine acting style. Him a Lorenz did great together. A chemistry of some sort
Pac coulda been the perfect Shareef cause he could pull off both looks. the Menace or the Thinker. his look durin the interview in jail they showed on the Dear Mama series, he looked like a clean cut, Bookworm. with the hair & no Goatee.
This is why I can’t eff with these British actors. This cat is a great actor. You can feel his passion for the craft but he doesn’t get roles like that. Even Lorenz is under appreciated
Those actors made it work. Can’t see PAC as O Dog. PAC didn’t understand film at that time. Can’t show how he became a Muslim. Story would have went sideways. Huges brother knew what they needed to do to make a great historical black film.
Tyrin stuttering like he back in that interrogation room on Menace. “You know you done f*cked up right?” lol LEGENDARY ACTOR!!! CLASSIC MOVIE!!! SENDING MUCH LOVE!!! 💪🏽✊🏽💯
Pac spose to played Caine, that's what the Hughes bros originally told him before he went to play in poetic justice, and that would of been him and Jada chemistry in the film especially the gun scene with her son playing the video game, even when Caine got shot with Harold and they took him to the hospital pac would of played that shit so cold, they only picked Caine because pac was busy doing the other film and they saw Caine on America's most wanted show and they liked him for the role then that's why pac was a bit confused about it all I think, but Tyrin did a great job with the role no doubt about that.
Dude been stuttering this whole interview like he in the interrogation room ..... "So you bought the bottle of beer at 9:15... You know you f*cked up right?" 😂
Lorenz had to do a few more movies after Menace to show me that he really wasn't O-Dog. Don't talk when South Central the series came out a year later and he still had the O-Dog braids lol. Real 80's babies remember South Central (series) in the 90's.
I could've seen Pac in any of the roles. Because that is what an actor is supposed to do, act. Pac just wanted a little bit more meat on his bone. And to be fair. The Hughes could've had a scene showing why this dude became a Muslim. But shit it's they're movie and they're doing it their way.
I agree with Kane. Larenz was a young fresh new face. He looked like a kid you would see walking the halls in school. Then he had the braids...lol. Everybody got braids with the fade after Menace came out.
The character of Sharif was my least favorite character on Menace. I felt it was a little bland, and forced into the movie. I do feel like they needed to add more dynamic to the background of that character. Sharif in the movie was too cleche' and underdeveloped. To me, he was just annoying and didn't quite make sense in the movie. I know they were trying to present the antithesis to the other characters in the movie, but I would feel better if it weren't some "holier than thou" approach. I think even good guys should have character flaws. A little anti-hero vibe would have worked and made the whole movie more interesting. So I give the Hughes brothers a big FAIL when it came to the character of Sharif in that movie.
Realshit Tupac could have been anybody in menace to society this is fact tyrin Turner you did your thing... Nobody needs to forget THAT Tupac is Tupac there is a difference just as in my life f****** facts
This 1:26-1:30 is the only part that he may have had somewhat of a part. 3:14 about the kid point ok. Just because we seen the movie 🍿 already so it’s easy to think 🤔 about what he is saying! But I’m sure at that time if he did get the role and pac played o dog he would’ve killed it. But the point about the kid look 👀? Ok good points
Thinking about it now I don't think Pac should've played O Dog, but even if he did he would've made it legendary. Everything happens for a reason that what I heard, so he ended up not doing to the movie... The movie was still a success. That's great, but Tupac felt like the Hughes brothers tried him like a sucker so he got in they're a$$!
It's easy to say Lorenz Tate was perfect for that role because we already saw the movie but before they even put it out we wouldn't have known that he would have played the hell out of that part but I honestly think PAC could have killed any role in that movie just because we knew he could act when he was bishop he bodied that role
Yeah, but you have to think about what Tyrin is saying as far as it being a coming of age story in L.A. Larenz had the perfect baby face and even his vc isn't as deep as Pac's. Pac played Bishop so well because he had that natural aggression NY ppl naturally have when they speak. Pac killed Birdie for the same reason. He has an aggressive deep vc that worked with New York street characters. Larenz wouldn't have killed Bishop like Pac and vice versa with O-Dogg.
The issue with Pac taking that bumb ass role is that he was a leading man or at the very least, one of the main actors in his previous films. The Hughes brother's using him to land the film, and then asking him to play such a small role was very disrespectful. On that note...Tate was meant to play O dog. Honestly I never saw Pac in Tates role. I always thought Pac should've played Tyrins character as the leading man he was. Imagine Pac as the more level headed one. ..like he was when he played Spoon in Gridlock. Pac and Lorenz Tate would've made that movie even more iconic in my humble opinion
Rewatched Menace recently and Larenz did his thing, but Pac may have been a equally good fit, with all due respect Shariff would've been just 'okay' for Pac to play, but it would've been tough. They dogged Shariff in nearly every line and pac probably thought it was written as unnecessarily weak. I think Pac main thing was that Shariff should've been a little tougher because he became conscious after being a street nigga. Shariff was written like he was an outsider looking in and not apart of it
He just a actor, Pac was a double threat, that didn’t need a square pointless role to jeopardize his rapping career, not illustrating the reason he turnt muslim on screen point blank, because obviously the world believe what they see🤓✊🏿🪖 ✌🏿🔫🖤
Tupac said he didn’t mind doing the Muslim role but it didn’t make sense because there wasn’t a back story of why the character became a Muslim in the ghetto and that was his issue that he brought to the Hughes brothers. Tupac said in interviews he wanted to play roles to show his range. Tupac have said this in interviews before his passing.
@@kerry2921 2pac and the Hughes had a very close relationship they directed his first few music videos and he actually got their first movie picked up with his co-sign so they had that type of relationship where they can change some ideas of a script. It really doesn’t have anything to do with being a popular actor like Denzel. When you’re an artist you can disagree it’s okay to be an artist is to express there no right or wrong. Thanks for the reply though
@@MumbaG19 well we can agree to disagree, it doesn't matter they had a relationship, your time will come just play your part, he destroyed his relationship with 2 great black directors, and he would have needed them to, because I don't think the white people would be calling him with a rape charge
@@kerry2921 that incident happened before the rape case and after the rape case he actually was in more movies. 2pac made mistakes and the Hughes brothers made mistakes. Unfortunately 2pac died at 25, others were able to live and mature see their mistakes and change 2pac never got that chance. There is no right or wrong we live we make good and bad choices we grow and adjust it’s not about black or white
@@MumbaG19 I know it was before the rape case, I'm just saying pac would've probably needed them if he had lived, to get back in movies because with a rape charge those white directors wouldn't be calling him
Lorenz killed it but u can’t picture anybody else do it because you ain’t see anybody else do it🤷🏾♂️ pac with his energy and charisma could’ve killed it too odog was just a young dude who ain’t give af lol same as pac in real life
Tyrin is 100% right. Larenz Tate acted his ass off in Menace, the same way Pac acted his ass off in Juice. Larenz did what Pac couldn't have with that role as O-Dogg. He's right about his baby face and being believable. Even his vc compared to Pac's makes it better. Tupac's vc is way too deep. Larenz just killed it. I think Pac would've killed the role of Shareef. I wonder why he didn't like it when he played Lucky who was softer than O-Dogg.
And i can admit Larenz Tate did a great job playing O dog the movie did well, But if Pac and Spice 1 had gotten those leading roles u best believe they would had took that movie to another level and imagine what that soundtrack would had been like
Agreed. I think they could have took the time to see what he was getting at. Might have made his character even more interesting, which sometimes happen. Certain directors don't believe in actor input, unfortunately.
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After seeing Larenz Tate play the role of O-Dog its hard to picture anyone else in that role. Larenz Tate killed that. Perfectly performed as a young troublesome kid coming up in the hood.
No else could do that role but him 💯🫢🔥🔫
The Young Napoleon from The Outlawz would fit to play O-Dog
My opinion
@@ashtonrussell Tupac didn't want the O-Dog role. He said in an interview with The Source that John Singleton told him he wanted to be Scorsese to Pac's DeNiro. He wanted Pac to be the lead actor in his movies. So Pac told the Hughes brothers that he only wanted a small role in Menace. He described the Sharif character as a "sucker role". Sharif was a square. I don't see Pac as that character. As Tyrin said, Vonte Sweet nailed it.
One of the hughes brothers said that Eazy-E was supposed to play O-Dog, that’s crazy
Its only hard to picture cause no one else has played the role lol but Larenz Tate, If Pac played that role then it be hard to picture someone else playing that role to if you know what i mean
Larenz Tate acted his ass OFF as O-Dogg... to this day Larenz Tate is STILL O-Dogg to me no matter what movie he is in... Larenz killt that shit... Me watching another movie featuring Larenz Tate: "Oh shit, O-Dogg in this movie?"
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Dead Presidents was 🔥 Too.
Dead prez was def my fav
The movie role so iconic for him my dumbass barely even be noticing it’s him sometimes cuz he be playin cops, all types of roles and just seeing him older and without the dreads be throwing me off 😂 like when I first seen him in power I was like I know this guy from somewhere and later in the episode realized he’s O Dog 🤦♂️😂
@@ijumpjudy weirdo
He made a very good point. O-Dog was that dude that looks innocent that could charm your parents to think their boy is hanging out with a good kid from the neighborhood when he is really the most evil of devils. Larenz Tate was meant for that role. Good casting.
True but that line “what you say bout my momma?” Woulda fit pac perfectly.
Larenz Tate played that part to perfection!!! Nobody and I mean nobody could play that part better than him! The whole movie was casted perfectly!!! A true classic!!!
I surely agree Larenze tate was perfect for that role o dog . I be calling him o dog like that's his real name that's how much he killed that role.
Well said and great comment.
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Dyyying 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
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At The End of Every day "Menace 2 Society " played out how it supposed Classic 💯
@@bigprob8744he was a crybaby
I get what he is saying Lorenz Tate was the right balance of boyish and savage. They wanted the guy that if you saw him you wouldn't think he got down like that.
Everyone played their role brilliantly.
Larenz Tate killed it as O-Dogg I can't see nobody else playing O-Dogg neither 🤷🏿♂️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ice cube? Or the shooter that shot Ricky in boys in da hood
Tupac would had killed that role too
@@AlejandroRamirez-xe2hj right how Pac played the role in juice I know he would’ve did amazing with the o dog role
@@Dime1One rickyyyyyyyy🏃🏿♂️🏃🏿♂️🏃🏿♂️🤣🤣
Kane & O-dog are living legends
Tate. The Woods Illinois! Played it to perfection. One of the most iconic roles in hollywood.
Tupac being Old Dog would've just been Bishop x2
O-Dog lol
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@yagka6674don’t act like he shot on duty police officers in uniform though, we all know if they was in uniform the situation would’ve been way different. 💯
@YaGka He didn't know they were cops until after the fact...stop it. Stan's get on my fckn nerves smh
@@Incredible_Geez they’d be better off sayin something like “Pac so hard he shot two white dudes for jumping a black man and come to find out those two white dudes just so happened to be off duty police” if they wanna big up pac as a gangster so badly.
Shareef was trying to move out the hood and was very positive and end up being the first one got popped in the drive by Caine caused. Its a shame cause they was literally moving out the hood when it happened
Yep but that’s an example of hanging with the wrong people. GOD sends warning before destruction. Shareef should have stopped fooling with cane after that police incident
those are his people bro and they did nothing wrong in that police incident..i see what your saying but he thought he was doing the right thing by witnessing and preaching to his peers he had a big heart a true example is when he stayed with harold as he was laying on the street dying
@@righteousmasculine or when caine cousin was killed n he's the only one who stayed with the body...
I mean Pac already had died as Bishop he died as Birdie in above the rim only movie he didnt die in was poetic justice i never seen gridlocked idk bout that one but his character got killed off a few times so would have stirred up the question like damn why Pac gotta get killed in every movie???
@@timleflore he didn’t die on gridlock
I understand what he was saying about the baby face and the innocence of it all, some people would have saw Tupac and would immediately expect him to be mean and evil due to the role he previously played but when I saw O’Dog I was like he is so cute and innocent, it shocked the fuck out of me when The personality and morals of his character came out
After this Movie dropped, my close friend was influenced by O dog. He is in jail now 😂😂
Is your friend really you ? 😒😒😒😒😒
That’s a dam shame 😂😂😂😂
@Reality Check stop that stereotype bullshit. I grew up without a dad and never been to jail living in the hood. My oldest son grew up with me in his life he stays in and out of jail. So it has nothing to do with what u said and everything to do with choices and decisions period.
@@myjourney5745 statistics don't lie , you're the exception not the rule
@vancepham1743 dude there are many people without dads who aren’t in prison it’s just a popular excuse, for instance what happens when there is a war like the civil war in America where a lot of men died, did all of those fatherless children go to prison and commit crimes was it popular in the media to say women can’t raise children by themselves ? Stop it Stop being programmed to give a certain response 😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄😒🙄
Yeah Tate killed it! Cant see no one else doing it
Love Pac but Larenz Tate as O dog is legendary. That character scared the shit out of me when I was young
Legendary 🎯
Pac probably woulda took O-Dog to another level.. Pac was a bright light in whatever he did!!
2pac wouldn’t fit as O dog because he was older than Larenz tate and I just see O dog as a troubled teenager
The right person played O Dog, just like the right person played caine. Bishop was more menacing to me than O Dog; pac bodied that role
think he showed his range in Poetic Justice, Gridlock'd, and Gang Related.
Tyrin is right. Simple as that. Much love to #2pac the #GOAT ✊🏿
If they showed or explained how Sharif was being in the streets before something significant made him change his life and become a Muslim it would've made sense seeing as it'd show his character development
The movie was good as is. They don't need to explain shit about Shariff because the movie wasn't about him, just like it wasn't about Stacy.
EXACTLY!
They literally mentioned it twice in the movie
@@fruitpac they literally coulda just said a extra few lines when they introduced him
@@ericdxfan511 right, "ex knucklehead turned Muslim. "
Tyrin talks nervous just like the part in Menace To Society when Bill Duke`s character was interrogating him about that murder in the grocery store, and every time Tyrin would contradict himdself Bill Duke would say "You know you dun F up now right?"
Bruh!!!! I was thinkin the same thing
OMG 😆🤣
damn, I can’t unsee that now😂😂
I think he has anxiety is why and thinks super quickly and opinionated in his beliefs.
You can tell.
He gets irritated with the interviewer some, it's all over his facial mannerisms.
He does!! Everytime I hear him talking I always think about that scene.
Deaundre Bonds as O’Dog.
Dude is such a great actor
That coulda been a back up plan definitely...but NOT pac!!!!
Killa
All facts no cap 🧢
The Art Of Dialogue be like “So tell me bought that time Tupac took a shit” “Did it smell as good as i imagine”?
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You nailed it😂😂😂😂
That art dude is ridin pacs DDD in every interview, its so wierd and cringe😄😄
😂😂😂😂 Obsesssssssed. It killed him to agree that Pac couldn't have been O-Dogg. Like bro relax, we all love Pac, but damn.
@@olleollesson9627 He should just call his channel The Art Of Tupac Dialogue for real
Larenz tate played the role so good that the grapes thought he was from somewhere
The only role Pac didn’t play that I wish I could have seen him play was Jody in Baby Boy.
But the crazy thing is, I can’t even picture pac being a man living at his mama house , with no job , getting punked by his Mamas boyfriend, unless they just made the character that way for tyrese😂😂😂
@@quintonhamilton2484 i could, its claled acting. He lived with his mom in poetic justice.
Yea now I coulda seen him in that role...
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@@AllThingsKen yeah but he was Hustling to get up out of there, plus he had a job, two kids , he wasn’t a bum
Jody on the other hand ain’t have a job , and yeah he did sell woman dresses for a lil bit but it wasnt long, and he enjoyed staying at his mama house, and gets punked by Melvin 24/7😂😂
He said he could of pulled a 🔫 out with a bean pie or some 😂 Tyrin turner is hilarious
2:17 😂😂😂
So basically Tyrin is saying that Pac looked too old to play O Dog.
I don't think pac was ever even considered for that role but maybe he was idk
Larenz was perfect because he was actually 17 years old
O Dog was a juvenile killer. Young baby faced killer fresh off the porch. Larenz Tate was perfect
Favorite actor tyrin Turner 💯💯💯💯
How ironic 2Pac was to menacing for a movie called Menace 2 Society
😂😂😂 Sounded funny as hell the moment he said it
Exactly. Wasn’t called o dogs Society tho
Yea but he right… Cane and ol Dog was perfect, they fit the image of what and who they portrayed. And EVERYTHING happens for a reason 🤷🏿♂️✌🏿
O Dog would'n't've had the humor he did if Pac played him instead of Larenz and that was a big part of his character
Too be fair pac had funny moments as bishop
Pac had humor in real life always smiling laughing and joking don't think about the movies and the Death Row Pac think about the artist Pac
@@quaketvinc.3987 yeah irl he was but on screen he was never funny
@@Jonesmarc1 like when
I get what he's saying because Tupac's stare was like the look of a "wolf" or a "killer."
Also, his voice was much more intense and intimidating when he was animated.
That might have been harder for the audience to suspend from consciousness in the moments that were more light-hearted.
That's ironic because Pac could easily be gentle and kind in his expressions as well. R.I.P💯
In my opinion, I believe Pac could've pulled off tha Caine role tho. I love Tyrin as Caine too tho
@@ijumpjudy you realize pac was fighting all the time shooting at police in and out of jail taking on the gds in Chicago and hella shit the only reason why most of these niggas still around today is cuz they wasnt really living like that but pac was shut yo ass up
True, He was actually outshined by Larenz & a few others in that movie. To be fair those others had more prior acting experience than him. Larenz was a child actor, Jada was already on TV on Doogie Hauser episodes & A Different World.. He's the only one who didn't blow up after Menace. A few of the others went on to have good careers. He had the small role in Belly & it was a wrap. He wasn't that great of an actor which is why the studio didn't want him. The Hughes brothers wanted him Because he had the "Look" of many young black teens in the hood. I remember watching the behind the scenes stuff on the DVD & they were big on his Look, so they had him keep working with an acting coach while the casted
So basically King Von was the real life O’dog. But he was from the O-Block in Chicago. Cause they both were charming, slightly shy, childlike, innocent looking, soft spoken, and handsome. But were complete demons!!! So a dangerous weapon for the streets!!! If the kid lived and changed his life, he could’ve definitely played the new version of O’Dog in a Netflix Series or streaming platform. Would’ve been dope.
He had just played a teen in juice tho
Yeah, Tyrin's off base there. Menace came out in what, '93? 2Pac was only like 21-22 years old. Was he that much older than Larenze Tate and Tyrin Turner in that era? They all seemed about the same age. All three could've played teenagers/high school grads.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un I think he was talking about facial features tho. Pac always looked n seemed older than his age. Larenz tate had a history of playing kids to teenagers up until that point..he had more youthful facial features. He still look like a young bol 2day...no base in his voice or nothing...lol
We forget that O Dog was only 16...That's what made the character so raw. At that time many people in the country didn't know about the baby-faced k*llers...NOW THEY HAVE THEM IN EVERY MAJOR CITY IN AMERICA.
Imo Pac wasn't probably arrogant. He just knew his worth from scratch. He should've been a main character! I think & playing that little small side character would've done him less justice than the Hughes brothers received when he let them direct they 1st video & stuff
Facts. He should've got first choose on what role he wanted
Yeah man he would've been Kane not shitting on dude but.. They could've switched roles
@@bennyaruba3449 I see pac playing Kaine cuz he was already cool with jada on set. And tyrin turner talking about that like that cuz he was tryna tap Jada lol
U don’t see denzel playing sides one u a main you stay in that lane lol
The Hughes brothers already had ideas about the movie and i think the script was already written. Pac was just the after thought who was written in the script at the last minute because the company who financed the movie told the Hghes brothers at the last minute that they wanted Pac in the movie, atleast that`s how i took it from one of the Allen Hughes interview i seen.
Pac was supposed to have alot of movie roles:
1. Sharif- Baby Boy
2. Cool Runnings
3. Malik- Higher Learning
4. Mace Windu- Star Wars: Phantom Menace
5. Bubba- Forrest Gump
Heck and just hypothetically speaking he could of played a good Django, Killmonger, Joker, Wolf of wallstreet all that shit.
Actors deserve Oscar's.
Damn Kane look old as hell now 😂😂& I didn’t know he really talked like that😂Sounding like Mike Tyson looking like that Jamaican from Belly😂😭😭😭😭
00:14 He said correctly, actors are given a job and can not come on try to change things. Thats why the movie is a classic because the crew did not want to deal with a spoiled actor. Lorenz Tate killed that role 💯
They’re wouldn’t be a movie if it wasnt for pac it’s easy for the nigga playing the main character who had no other movie roles before this to tell someone to be quiet and be a good soldiers that’s not pac’s nature at all
U are wrong. Plenty actors have signed on to movies and changed literally everything about a character. For instance Rachel McAddams requested more screen time and a bunch of other stuff when she did Mean Girls. Pac was the reason that movie got green lit. They could've atleast listened to his ideas being that the movie wouldn't have been made without him. Tyrin wouldn't have had a breakout role as Caine without Pac. Pac just wanted more background on the character because he wasn't feeling how they would punk Sharif all the time and talk to him crazy.
@Everything's A Go Podcast tupac was spoiled and annoying. Thats why the movie is a classic without his spoiled energy. Lorence Tate would of been a better Bishop 💯
The movie wouldn’t even exist without Tupac. Actors change things about their roles all the time. Pac was no different. He was probably over dramatic but he had a point. Pac acted as Bishop and later on played Birdie. He could definitely play O-Dog. Larenz Tate was great playing O-Dog.
@@GOODMuzikBoiThat movie did even better without tupac. It's a classic because they removed him. The Hughes Brothers did a good job at casting 👏
2pac wanted to preserve a tough guy image after playing Bishop in JUICE. That’s why he didn’t wanna play a Muslim
Interesting. Big up to the brother that played Shareef but he has a point. If they gave 2pac some space to develop the character, he could've put of a black militant radical edge to the role
Nobody can replace Larenz as ODawg EVER!!!!!!!!
Maybe before the movie came out, the idea of O-Dog, I could see Pac playing the role. But after seeing the movie Larenz was just too great in the role, I can't see ANYBODY playing the role. He owns it 100%, his performance is just too good.
Not hood enough for me, when you from the projects you see flaws in certain people acting doesn't add up all the way still played the part alright just not with perfection
Spice1 was supposed to be O-DOG, me need to ask in your opinion, what if spice1 got the O-DOG role?
I honestly woulda loved to see Pac as Shareef and also as Jody on Baby Boy
Actually Tupac would have been a better role at playing Kane
@@KennyMacDC hell no
Tupac > Bishop > Lucky > Jody? H*ll yes!
Tupac > Bishop > Lucky > Shareef? H*ll naw. it's a backwards step from that progression. imho
Tupac didn’t fit in this movie his character is too big to not be a focal point, and Cane and OlDog was played by the perfect ppl that matched the characters they played. It happened the way it was supposed to 🤷🏿♂️👍🏿✌🏿
Nah, that wasn’t him
Larenz Tate was perfect for that role
Larenz tate is my second favorite actor.. his range is amazing. From menace to inkwell to why do fools where he played three different characters in one.
Larenz Tate Killed The Roll Of O-Dog Can't Imagine Anyone Else Playing That Roll As Good As Larenz Tate - Even Tupac Shakur.
thank you. his voice a motherfucker.
He's right I love Pac but I got to keep it real every thing happens for a reason
@@tavahbenyah9600 exactly. Menace II society turned out exactly how it was supposed to turn out. I still watch it every now and again just because.
Who cares PAC would of did better
Bottom line is that Pac came to the set to take THAT role and he should’ve stuck to his agreement to do it. He didn’t have a right to call shots on someone else’s set. If you wanna be the gangsta Muslim, make your own film. The Hughes Brothers had a budget and had to get the movie done within certain parameters. Why blow that and phuckup all the plans because ONE actor doesn’t wanna play ball? Larenz Tate did an excellent job.
They should have let Sylvester.Stallone play o-dog, he would have killed that role.....facts!
He could've been a cop
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Really funni no chance
Tyrin has always been 1 of my favourite actors. Even though I did not see much of his other films, other the menace 2 society. He killed that roll. He has a genuine acting style. Him a Lorenz did great together. A chemistry of some sort
Pac coulda been the perfect Shareef cause he could pull off both looks. the Menace or the Thinker. his look durin the interview in jail they showed on the Dear Mama series, he looked like a clean cut, Bookworm. with the hair & no Goatee.
This is why I can’t eff with these British actors. This cat is a great actor. You can feel his passion for the craft but he doesn’t get roles like that. Even Lorenz is under appreciated
I actually think Pac woulda killed the Kane part better than the O-dog part. In nature Pac was more like Kane than O-dog in real life
Those actors made it work. Can’t see PAC as O Dog. PAC didn’t understand film at that time. Can’t show how he became a Muslim. Story would have went sideways. Huges brother knew what they needed to do to make a great historical black film.
Pac could've played A Wax(mc eight character) he fitted that role
Yea I could see that...
Naw eihht had the og look plus he from compton so he knew the La street culture better
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PAC was 22 when Menace came out, he woulda kilt that Odog roll
Nope
Too over the top in everything he did too...
I def could've seen pac as o dog or even caine or even mc eiht character
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The art dude is more of a groupie for pac than a fan. He could see pac being Jesus if you leave it to him. It is weird
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How you can't see Tupac playin old dog when he already played old dog in juice 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Tupac Shakur should of played Kane's role
You can’t even spell the name right stfu 😑
Pac ain’t no ODog
2Pac as a reformed gangbanging Muslim would’ve been fire! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
yeah but Vonte did his thing too
Shareef was a reformed Gangbanging Muslim, remember he took the football from Ricky in Boyz In The Hood?
ِEvery reformed gangbanger being a Muslim would be fire.
Tyrin stuttering like he back in that interrogation room on Menace. “You know you done f*cked up right?” lol LEGENDARY ACTOR!!!
CLASSIC MOVIE!!!
SENDING MUCH LOVE!!! 💪🏽✊🏽💯
Tupac was the reason they got the movi..
how you misspell movie?
Yeah. Allen Hughes confirmed that
@@ijumpjudy boy quit trollin
He is right Pac would have killed that Muslim role! And no one can have played that role like Tate
Pac spose to played Caine, that's what the Hughes bros originally told him before he went to play in poetic justice, and that would of been him and Jada chemistry in the film especially the gun scene with her son playing the video game, even when Caine got shot with Harold and they took him to the hospital pac would of played that shit so cold, they only picked Caine because pac was busy doing the other film and they saw Caine on America's most wanted show and they liked him for the role then that's why pac was a bit confused about it all I think, but Tyrin did a great job with the role no doubt about that.
To menacing? What was the film called!
Larenz did amazing as O Dog but I also believe Pac would have crushed it as well!
Dude been stuttering this whole interview like he in the interrogation room ..... "So you bought the bottle of beer at 9:15... You know you f*cked up right?" 😂
Caine, O Dog, A Wax 🙌
Lorenz had to do a few more movies after Menace to show me that he really wasn't O-Dog. Don't talk when South Central the series came out a year later and he still had the O-Dog braids lol. Real 80's babies remember South Central (series) in the 90's.
I could've seen Pac in any of the roles. Because that is what an actor is supposed to do, act.
Pac just wanted a little bit more meat on his bone. And to be fair. The Hughes could've had a scene showing why this dude became a Muslim. But shit it's they're movie and they're doing it their way.
I agree. Shot out to Larenz Tate. Killed every scene as O-Dog
I feel like actorths entertainerths
I agree with Kane. Larenz was a young fresh new face. He looked like a kid you would see walking the halls in school. Then he had the braids...lol. Everybody got braids with the fade after Menace came out.
The character of Sharif was my least favorite character on Menace. I felt it was a little bland, and forced into the movie. I do feel like they needed to add more dynamic to the background of that character. Sharif in the movie was too cleche' and underdeveloped. To me, he was just annoying and didn't quite make sense in the movie.
I know they were trying to present the antithesis to the other characters in the movie, but I would feel better if it weren't some "holier than thou" approach. I think even good guys should have character flaws. A little anti-hero vibe would have worked and made the whole movie more interesting.
So I give the Hughes brothers a big FAIL when it came to the character of Sharif in that movie.
Realshit Tupac could have been anybody in menace to society this is fact tyrin Turner you did your thing... Nobody needs to forget THAT Tupac is Tupac there is a difference just as in my life f****** facts
2pac is still ball'in! Still winning 🕊
Fr! Almost 30 years have passed and he's still talked about daily. That's goat ish
Ain’t nobody winning from the cemetary homie
@@blackdonte24 exactly!
@@ijumpjudy You talking about that same crip that was smoked by crips
This 1:26-1:30 is the only part that he may have had somewhat of a part. 3:14 about the kid point ok. Just because we seen the movie 🍿 already so it’s easy to think 🤔 about what he is saying! But I’m sure at that time if he did get the role and pac played o dog he would’ve killed it. But the point about the kid look 👀? Ok good points
Pac was 21 or 20 in 92 😢RIP
Thinking about it now I don't think Pac should've played O Dog, but even if he did he would've made it legendary. Everything happens for a reason that what I heard, so he ended up not doing to the movie... The movie was still a success. That's great, but Tupac felt like the Hughes brothers tried him like a sucker so he got in they're a$$!
PAC can’t play o dogg? Yea ok
Guess you can’t see him playing bishop either
It's easy to say Lorenz Tate was perfect for that role because we already saw the movie but before they even put it out we wouldn't have known that he would have played the hell out of that part but I honestly think PAC could have killed any role in that movie just because we knew he could act when he was bishop he bodied that role
Yeah, but you have to think about what Tyrin is saying as far as it being a coming of age story in L.A. Larenz had the perfect baby face and even his vc isn't as deep as Pac's. Pac played Bishop so well because he had that natural aggression NY ppl naturally have when they speak. Pac killed Birdie for the same reason. He has an aggressive deep vc that worked with New York street characters. Larenz wouldn't have killed Bishop like Pac and vice versa with O-Dogg.
I agree with you
The issue with Pac taking that bumb ass role is that he was a leading man or at the very least, one of the main actors in his previous films. The Hughes brother's using him to land the film, and then asking him to play such a small role was very disrespectful. On that note...Tate was meant to play O dog. Honestly I never saw Pac in Tates role. I always thought Pac should've played Tyrins character as the leading man he was. Imagine Pac as the more level headed one. ..like he was when he played Spoon in Gridlock. Pac and Lorenz Tate would've made that movie even more iconic in my humble opinion
Rewatched Menace recently and Larenz did his thing, but Pac may have been a equally good fit, with all due respect
Shariff would've been just 'okay' for Pac to play, but it would've been tough. They dogged Shariff in nearly every line and pac probably thought it was written as unnecessarily weak.
I think Pac main thing was that Shariff should've been a little tougher because he became conscious after being a street nigga. Shariff was written like he was an outsider looking in and not apart of it
Vonte Sweet (Shareef) could've played O dog too, especially the way he backhanded young Dough boy in Boys in the Hood 😅
Pac didn’t have that teenager look to him
@@andreben3000 lol facts
@Ali Shabazz I agree.. he did look grown af.. but I think a shave would've helped a lot
He just a actor, Pac was a double threat, that didn’t need a square pointless role to jeopardize his rapping career, not illustrating the reason he turnt muslim on screen point blank, because obviously the world believe what they see🤓✊🏿🪖 ✌🏿🔫🖤
To keep it 100 I think Tupac would have did a better job at playing Kane part 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Naw he would have tried to be too tough
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Nah tyrin was the perfect one.
Facts
Menace to society is literally perfect the way it is
"I'm a big Pac fan, he's my favorite rapper." - Art. Right, he's become A LOT more than a big fan at this point.
Dude feeding his descendants off Pac. lol
Nah fr. Not even old heads fanboy this much over pac.
Tupac said he didn’t mind doing the Muslim role but it didn’t make sense because there wasn’t a back story of why the character became a Muslim in the ghetto and that was his issue that he brought to the Hughes brothers. Tupac said in interviews he wanted to play roles to show his range. Tupac have said this in interviews before his passing.
Yeah but you can't rewrite a script, he's not Denzel Washington he should have just played his part
@@kerry2921 2pac and the Hughes had a very close relationship they directed his first few music videos and he actually got their first movie picked up with his co-sign so they had that type of relationship where they can change some ideas of a script. It really doesn’t have anything to do with being a popular actor like Denzel. When you’re an artist you can disagree it’s okay to be an artist is to express there no right or wrong. Thanks for the reply though
@@MumbaG19 well we can agree to disagree, it doesn't matter they had a relationship, your time will come just play your part, he destroyed his relationship with 2 great black directors, and he would have needed them to, because I don't think the white people would be calling him with a rape charge
@@kerry2921 that incident happened before the rape case and after the rape case he actually was in more movies. 2pac made mistakes and the Hughes brothers made mistakes. Unfortunately 2pac died at 25, others were able to live and mature see their mistakes and change 2pac never got that chance. There is no right or wrong we live we make good and bad choices we grow and adjust it’s not about black or white
@@MumbaG19 I know it was before the rape case, I'm just saying pac would've probably needed them if he had lived, to get back in movies because with a rape charge those white directors wouldn't be calling him
Lorenz killed it but u can’t picture anybody else do it because you ain’t see anybody else do it🤷🏾♂️ pac with his energy and charisma could’ve killed it too odog was just a young dude who ain’t give af lol same as pac in real life
Odog was evil! Tupac was wild, tough, and had a lot of heart but he was far from being evil and stupid such as odog
@@ronjones3184 bishop was evil too kill your homeboy and hug his mom at his funeral don’t get much evil then that🤷🏾♂️
Tyrin is 100% right. Larenz Tate acted his ass off in Menace, the same way Pac acted his ass off in Juice. Larenz did what Pac couldn't have with that role as O-Dogg. He's right about his baby face and being believable. Even his vc compared to Pac's makes it better. Tupac's vc is way too deep. Larenz just killed it. I think Pac would've killed the role of Shareef. I wonder why he didn't like it when he played Lucky who was softer than O-Dogg.
And i can admit Larenz Tate did a great job playing O dog the movie did well, But if Pac and Spice 1 had gotten those leading roles u best believe they would had took that movie to another level and imagine what that soundtrack would had been like
Spice1 got that innocent look too and all that spice1 reference like Amerikkkas nightmare young black and didn't give a f*ck and that 187 thing.
Spice 1 was on the Menace II Society soundtrack.
The title 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
Tupac tried to reason with them to adjust the role but they got disrespectful.
Agreed. I think they could have took the time to see what he was getting at. Might have made his character even more interesting, which sometimes happen. Certain directors don't believe in actor input, unfortunately.
@@billking1751 definitely, even more so since him being attached to the movie help it get green lit
@@ijumpjudy Well that's true.
Tupac would of fit Cane roll better then any other roll stop playin
Pac already had played Bishop and I feel like him as Odogg would've ran together too closely.
O Dog had that Chicago mixed with L.A. in him, which was the perfect mix for a young gangbanger in the early 90s.