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- Arthur Agee Hoop Dreams: Why Arthur Agee Didn't Make The NBA. Today’s feature is one of the real life hoopers chronicled in a movie called Hoop Dreams, that to me is a top 3 basketball movies of all time and it’s not 2 or 3. It took 7 years to make and was finally released in 1994. It discussed to young players that had the same dream of following the footsteps of local great Isiah Thomas and then city legend Michael Jordan into the NBA. Today we focus on Arthur Agee. A player who after re watching the movie, physically had all the characteristics of a pro player, except the one that altered his career. He even had mannerisms like Micheal Jordan that were crazy to see. Each step of the way he had all the opportunity to go all the way, but because of these reasons, things didn’t go as planned and he never achieved his dreams of becoming an NBA players. What Happened?
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Salute to Arthur Agee and Hoop Dreams. Classic basketball movie, my personal favorite basketball documentary of all time. It perfectly depicts the weeding out process in basketball, where one misstep can mean sacrificing your chance at one of the limited spots on an NBA roster. it also shows that life isn't over because one dream fails. Enjoy the video.
Facts, glad you decided to cover this story bro. Salute, no shade to Matt be great or Flemlo but you've got this market covered.
FINALLY lol I think I asked for this 2 years ago thank u bro
The whole black father narrative you could've kept to yourself.
I love the film, but it also makes me sad too.
This has to be my favorite basketball movie 🎬 ever, because it kept it 💯
For him to survive such deplorable circumstances and still have a productive life is in itself amazing.
Exactly. Making it to the league would have been completely insane, coming from his circumstances.. but he still made it to college and is productive in life which is a huge success if you ask me!
Should've made it. Pops was a victim of circumstance. Thought getting high was gonna cut it. Glad he's well.
Hoop Dreams is still an incredible documentary! A true classic. RIP to Arthur's pops too.
And William’s brother, too.
Rip to Arthur’s younger brother too ..
@@derrickwright5728 what happened to him?
@@onlyone23km his brother was shot
@@derrickwright5728 damn.
The scene with him & his dad playing 1 on 1 will forever be my favorite you want to see it rain let it rain
Facts Bro
His mom was so solid I wish he made the league just for her. His dad being in and out of jail and being on drugs was so heartbreaking. I wonder how different his journey would’ve been if his dad was around.
Basketball still paid off for him as he was able to attend college & get a degree so it’s definitely not all bad. Without basketball he would have been worse off in my opinion so the game still saved him 💯
That's a fact.. You can still use your passion for the game to take you places no matter your skill level
Definitely
Facts he's still looked at as a bball ambassador
Indeed
He had a pretty productive outcome.
Fun fact about the Hoop Dreams franchise: There was a follow up/sequel, titled “Hoop Reality” in which Agee returned to his former high school to mentor a young Pat Beverly.
Yet according to Arthur, it’s not a sequel.
@@onlyone23km that’s why I had to preface that it was very well a follow up as well as a sequel (in the eyes of many).
Damn I didn't know that but hoop dreams was a classic 💯🤞🏼💯💪
That documentary, although low budget was AMAZING! It may have not have been a SEQUEL but it allowed us to see that AGEE, by giving back, is a real-life SUCCESS story
My second favorite hoop movie after( above the rim).
I grew up in the same neighborhood as Arthur and Isiah Thomas. I remember when Hoop Dreams first came out our school took us to see it and Arthur was there and spoke to us and signed autographs.
Probably, my favorite documentary of all time. It was UNBELIEVABLE.
Unfortunately this occurs too often in the brown and black communities. As a black man, we have to show our children that education and resources are the keys to success. We also need to show our children the importance of providing a appropriate home setting for their best interests.
Amen! I coach some good kids with terrible home environments, and it's a futile effort
Could'nt have said it better, Sports can get your foot in the door for Free Education and more (Hopefullly). But a free College Degree is the Key. If ya'll have Children try and be a better Father to this generation we really need it. Stay smart and stay grinding everyone.
Thats every home my brother. The enemy is at work. Kill the head kill the family kill the community. You can control something easily if its already divided
I’ve never heard these people labeled brown refer to themselves as brown
@@edscottable you’ve never heard a Mexican say brown pride ? Yeah get out your house more.
The best part of that movie was Agee's run to state his senior year, it felt triumphant and it took a lot for him to persevere through his high school years. I read that as an adult Agee mentored Patrick Beverley, which is also very cool. I think his story is impressive. He's a success, period.
Also, what happened to Shannon?
I wish I knew. I remember Arthur said in the movie that he didn't hang out anymore after he got caught selling/doing drugs.
@@KevinWei24 From what I heard these days, Arthur said Shannon got out of jail and is doing well these days.
Arthur had that charisma man.....dad chasing that dope high and supportive mother....was something many young men from hood could relate to, hard not to root for the dude
Hoop Dreams is one of the greatest documentaries of all time, even for non sports fans,it a work of art
Still my favorite documentary I wanted him and William to make it so bad 😔
One of my favorite movies…crazy one didn’t make because of size, attitude, and academics and the other due to injuries and losing love of the game.
Seen this movie so many times. Love it. Before reality TV came in and scripted everything, this documentary was real. It made me feel like these were dudes I knew from my neighborhood.
It’s sad that in today’s era, reality TV isn’t so real, so they came up with the “unscripted” genre. They SHOULD both be the same, but thanks to The Hills, Laguna Beach and Jersey Shore, it’s not.
I’ll NEVER forget the day I met William Gates at my old job! One of the greatest moments of my life!
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@@JH-us6zp done!
I still have this book in my house somewhere. The documentary is sad asf and real for a lot of people in the hood.
I remember getting the book from the library and reading it back in the mid-nineties. I didn’t see the movie until college. I’m looking forward to the video one the second player. And yeah, back then, every half way decent hooper was hoping Dean Smith, John Thompson, or Coach K was going to walk through that door and offer you that scholarship, realistic or not.
Shit, I remember in 5th grade and beyond wanting to play for Dean, K or John in that order.
I watch this movie/documentary so many times I never get tired of it. Almost lol I watch it hoping for a different outcome lbs It’s just a great story overall from 2 different lives. Very happy to see you shed light on this
Arthur Agee look like a low key Terrell Owens. Lol. Seriously great video. I grew up watching Hoops Dreams and it is still my favorite sports documentary of all time. It taught me nothing is promised nor guaranteed in life.
Hoop Dreams is the GOAT documentary. I've noticed many basketball content creators on You Tube using sad, melancholly jazz for their background music, I have to imagine the doc inspiring that production style.
This is the definition of what stunted growth is to me, we got a first hand look at what can hurt us when attempting to reach our full potential. I'm still rooting for Arthur Agee, William Gates and their families.
🙏🏿
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I met Arthur Agee one time in Kennedy King college! I was playing and was having a really good day! He was telling people in the crowd I was his cousin! Which was cool because anyone that knows anything about Chicago knows Kennedy King college is in the ABSOLUTE WORST Neighborhood in Chicago and I didn’t know anyone! He came over after the game and he gave me hug! Real nice dude!!!
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Much love bro thts my fam I’m a Agee from Polk Country FL and my birthday 10/3/1982
That scene in the movie when Arthur dad showed up to the court and left to go buy drugs was sad
I got that movie. I actually remember that part, it was sad.
Gave me chills when I saw it as a kid and again just now
That scene was sad to see
Did this guy get his start on the Star report?
Is that what he left for? I was wondering why that happened!
Arthur did play for the Winnipeg Cyclones, with Darryl Dawkins coaching him.
FACTS...Good dude...liked the wpg nighlife too. kwan johnson was the best player on that team..
Forgot about that team
Man I wanted Arthur to make it so bad he really was getting it out of the mud
HOOP DREAMS SHOULD BE SHOWN TO EVERY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETE...IT SHOULD BE A MANDATORY VIEWING
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I 100% agree Hoop Dreams is still an incredible documentary. I'm glad you made a video of this story. "Much Respect" Cant' wait for the next one 💯
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That movie and resonated so much with a lot of hoppers. Growing up in the D and playing around that same time seeing what Author had to go through was like looking in a mirror for a lot of us. The game saved a lot of us, in spite of missing dads, poverty, lack of support or guidance. Great movie and once again great video bro ✊🏾💙
S/N: My favorite part of the movie is when coach Ping realizes had he kept Author he would have definitely won at least two state championships. 😂
Yea it was. Ping even admitted as much.
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Arthur also played in that TNT Slamball league back in 2002. I remember watching the draft and seeing him get picked up.
It was some trampoline made-for-T.V. basketball leagues that was short lived..
Arthur Agee had a triumphant story. I think you have an unrealistic view of Arthur. He went as far as he could with the basketball route. He played basketball in college he wasn’t an NBA player that’s millions of people. Salute to Arthur
I feel like seeing Hoop Dreams is an unspoken right of passage for a young athlete . True Cult Classic.
Must have seen hoop dreams 50 times through the years will always love this documentary.
Bruh I never hoped a kid made it to the NBA like I did Arthur Agee... I watched hoop dreams over n over n I rooted for him to get to the league so hard as a kid.. I knew Will Gates wasn't gonna make it back then bcuz his knees were shot before he was outta high school.. RIP Bo Agee got murdered.. I can still here Arthur's sisters n my head when Arthur was killin him n horse " its raining Bo ☔", 🤣🤣🤣🤣best doc ever
The "make it rain" scene is classic
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@@authornahsun634 🤣🤣big facts
It would’ve been nice to have seen them both make it. Even though Will’s knee was shot, he still made it to Marquette. And not only did Bo get murdered, Curtis Gates got killed, too!
@@onlyone23km ur absolutely right I forgot gates bro got killed too
Will got run into the ground by Coach Pingatore
Hoops dreams is n always going to be a classic ✨️one of the best basketball movies ever
You should do Howard Nathan next since he was on Hoop Dreams tied to William Gates and Arthur Agee's story...
Howard Nathan won Illinois Mr. Basketball in 1991 over Juwan Howard, Michael Finley, and Tom Kleinschmidt...
Howard Nathan was a high school legend at Peoria Manuel, winning a state title in 91 and runner-up in 88 his freshman year...
He was a McDonald's All-American at only 5 feet 11 and played a year at De Paul...
R.I.P. Howard Nathan, Illinois basketball legend...
Love the videos! How about a stunted growth Jordan vs everybody? Like all the superstars he denied a championship during his era like Reggie Miller, Karl Malone, John Stockton, the Knicks just to name a few.
I really like this idea. So many players waking with cold sweats from Jordan.
John Stockton and Patrick Ewing were already covered.
Without Dennis Rodman, the Jazz would have beaten the Bulls at least once in the finals.
I remember watching this movie and just loving both of there stories. This was before social media so we watched it on VHS and DVDs. You're absolutely right it's also one of my top 3 basketball movies.
This movie was amazing and super in-depth on lives of what many go thru. You felt it!
Excellent documentary. Grew up watching it. Read the book ten years ago. Hoop dreams was so good that Siskel & Ebert had it on the biggest Oscars snub list of 1994. Incredible. Shout out Arthur "Tuss" Agee & William Gates 💯
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Can't look at it as a sad story, brother. The brother made a living. Still an inspiration
I remember watching hoop dreams at the movie theater when it first came out. It's one of the Great sports documentaries of all time. What I remember the most about that movie when I think about it is the way that Catholic private school treated both of the young prospects that we get to know in this movie. Arthur had been going to horrible schools and he was very far behind and that didn't seem to matter to the school until they realize that Arthur was pretty raw and probably didn't have much of a chance to make the varsity team. After that everything that Arthur did wrong they got on them about and within weeks they had them out of the school and he was back at the shitty School in the hood the other main character was a much better basketball player at that stage and started on the varsity team earlier than I think anyone has ever done. They treated him extremely well until he got injured and wasn't making the contribution that they thought he would.. They weren't really happy with him having a kid either. He ended up getting a scholarship to Marquette which was a really good basketball school back then while Arthur ended up playing at a small school in Arkansas if I can remember. I'm sure you're going to talk about it in your video I've only listened to the first 30 seconds I just started to remember all of this shit. What you really learn is nobody gives a shit about you if you're not playing well. They don't care if your dad's going to prison or your sister and brother can't eat. They'll help you out as long as you keep putting up 20.
Dope! Never knew it was released in the actual theaters
@@johnnystlouis8081 it's considered a classic documentary. It was the biggest documentary of the year it was released and probably for the next couple years. It didn't play at some big regional theater or anything you'd only see it at an art house theater or any other places specialized in documentary films but it had a really big TV presence. I think HBO played it quite a bit.
The school was looking for its next Isaiah Thomas.
I saw hoop dreams for the first time at 11 years old and it still is my favorite doc…love AA if he would’ve had his dad not strung out and shown him to believe in himself and have his confidence instilled earlier in high school he would be in the league..he would’ve been Pat Beverly before Pat Beverly…fun fact they went to the same high school
Thank you for this. I just knew you forgot or didn't think it was worth covering. You are the GOAT at what you do. Real talk SG.
Thanks for covering Hoops dream bruh! I always wondered what happened to Arthur Agee.
There's this one part in the doc where his parents are discussing tuition for St. Joe's, you could see the look of disdain on Arthur's face after his father claimed they could pay it. It was a look that said "Why are you even here?". You could literally see Arthur's relationship with his father change as he got older. It felt like he saw the good in his father as a kid, but as a teen and young adult, you could see how annoyed he was whenever his father came around.
He realized that he was full of shit.
True that. I think he was annoyed and resented his father for being hooked on crack cocaine and abusing his mom in his earlier years. Thankfully Bo overcame his addiction to crack cocaine, stop drug dealing and got his life together in the middle of Arthur’s junior year of HS.
I think I shed a tear when Arthur Agee and his team won that City Championship
Did ya thing on this one my guy! Great movie, even better analysis. You’re a phenomenal story teller you & flemlo really underground goats dawg. Never stop inspiring the youth🔥🔥
Off rip, this idea is *brilliant.*
HD was a classic, and who among us doesn't or didn't have hoop dreams?
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Back then JUCOs put out a lot of pros like Larry Johnson, Darvin Ham and Sean Kemp.
Shawn Marion too
Lj and Kemp were elite players held down by grades not skills.
@@darrylnelson05 Kemp was supposed to go to Kentucky but got kicked out for apparently stealing stuff from a teammate (the coach’s son). So he went to JC and then turned pro.
I think the Prop 48 ruling caused a good number of players to go the JC route. Nick Van Exel is another case, he went to JC before going to Cincinnati. Isaiah Rider went to a JC before UNLV
@@maniacmasturbator2411 Kemp was a Prop 48 kid. He was ineligible, which lead to his off court trouble at UK and trip to the JC.
Thank you for this @stuntedgrowth I remember watching this year's ago I forgot all about this documentary. I appreciate your videos 💯
I was thinking about this documentary. Hoop Dreams is one of the best not just basketball doc but of all time. I saw on UA-cam Arthur Agee was a producer on a doc featuring Pat Bev.
I saw it on Showtime and HBO Max.
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Great video this movie was big for most kids born in 80’s to early 90’s. These type of documentaries are priceless! Cant wait for William. RIP Curtis and Bo✊🏾
The goal was always to get paid playing basketball and Arthur Agee accomplished that. By Arthur's Senior year He became a good high school basketball guard who had good ball handling skills, he was a good shooter, he was a good defender, he could pass the ball well, he was playing above the rim (dunking by the end of his sophomore year) and was extremely fast and quick. Arthur and Derrick Zinnerman made a great back court which caused trouble for a lot of teams including Chicago Westinghouse, Chicago King (26-2) and Batavia (27-2) which were big wins for Marshall that year. Can't forget Cesare Christian and Quadell Kimball great play in the front court. The Batavia game was great for Arthur. Especially in the second half. Arthur (15 pts) outplayed all American guard Lamar Justice (8 pts) in that game. Cesare and Derrick Z played great as well. Cesare was a good inside player that could shoot from the outside. Anyway that 1991 Marshall team was good there speed caused trouble for the other teams. Anyway Arthur ended up playing professional basketball. In college he started four years 2 at Mineral Area and 2 at Arkansas State which is a great accomplishment, Derrick Zinnerman played college ball at Kennedy King and I believe Cesare played college ball too. Not sure about Quadell Kimble.
Much respect man. All of your videos show the infinite ways so many kids with so much potential fall between the cracks on the way to the league or any type of pro basketball. Hope the youngsters are learning from it!
Man i saw this Movie and it blew my mind... Still a great Documentary, LOL you can see what kind of enviroment it was back then playing High school and College sports. Great Video like always man.
Facts. One of if not the best basketball films ever.. I've watched it numerous times.. great video bro
The simple answer is that it’s really damn hard to make the NBA. He managed to play D1 basketball, which is already really impressive and difficult to begin with.
3 percent of high school basketball players play college basketball (only 1% D1), and only 1% of college players go on to play in the NBA.
Excellent feature. Yes all these things factored into what happened. His Dad and lack of focus in the classroom was huge.
Great look back. A truly important documentary.
Hoop Dream was my favorite documentary because the doc\movie was at my high school John Marshall Metropolitan (class of 89). If it was AAU and prep school during those time Arthur could have a D1 scholarship and be playing professionally somewhere. His cousin or brother playing professionally in New Zealand (He played two years at Iona). Great story and RIP to Arthur father.
He wouldn't have a D1 scholarship... Arthur didn't have the grades or the SAT score. He had matured to being a D1 level guard by his senior year. But he didn't have the academic qualifications
I’ve watched this movie so many times and it never gets old.
I mean its pretty simple why both guys in the documentary didn't pan out. William was pushed way too hard to point where he admitted to hating basketball by the end of the movie. Arthur had the skill but wasn't pushed enough he would of benefitted playing in a program like Coach Pingatore had. Both needed exactly what the other had
Both of them would have definitely made it today in this social media era, and if both had gone to a division 1 school.
Agreed
Me and my sister used to watch them all the time I loved Bo and Sheila They did the that they could💯
Great piece here !!!! Any who grew up in the 90s ,love basket ball and poor felt this movie
You just keep getting better and better at this. Salute.
Dope I love these videos
Thanks for this one bro ✌
Wow u did this one... good shit 💯
Definitely a cool ass story my man. Was one of my favorite movies in highschool man. Def glad to see dude is OK after a tragic childhood, as many can contest too.
Watching your reignited that passion that I once had for the game I have been teaching the youth in my neighborhood of Baltimore thanks to your videos in seeing this amazing film growing up sparked my interest in the sport back when I was younger lol time Flys just wish I could have a do over what we call it a Mulligan lol
Yo I seen this documentary in elementary school I’m 40ty yo!! Classic one!!
Such a great choice for Stunted Growth -- I like these off-the-beaten-path ones (e.g., Corey Magette).
Would like to see one on Jacque Vaughn and Kiwane Garriso. Olujimi Mann would be a good one to tackle, also.
If your doing more movies I suggest the story of Rebound the story of Earl Manigault...Kareem called him the best player he ever saw
Great Job!🔥🔥🔥
There is a far deeper story to Arthur and in my opinion he is a story of triumph and perseverance. Despite of all the factors thought fought against him he continues his journey and is inspiring children everywhere the chances of getting to the nba are small and inner city youth need to see it’s not always going to be rainbows Arthur is a motivational speaker entrepreneur actor and great father and role model look up his curriculum and know that You have the key to Control your destiny. Fan for life
Exactly queen. What is this dude on the video talking about?? Agees story is not a sad story. And education and school work is not important to make the nba or play overseas. This dude who wrote the video must be a Thomas sowell disciple. His whole philosophy is based off of what white people deem successful and right! What Arthur does now is incredible. This dude who made the video is a hater and doesn’t understand black culture. And how the black community works.
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My cousins and I use to watch this movie for motivation growing up. Thank you for reminding me
Salute And Respect Stunted Growth…Years Ago, I watched Hoop Dreams on VHS And it was a fantastic and wonderful documentary…..can you do one on Earl The Pearl Monroe?….
Grew up watching hoop dreams on vhs and when was time for me to sign for college i signed to a 2 yr juco in Missouri ..im from MD...Mineral Area College...I Get There Not Thinking Anything ...1 Day Im In The Gym looking at the banners and i see Arthur Agee Name on one of the teams who won all conference and region.. Blew my mind i grew up watching this and signed at same school...and we won conference as well in 05 and got a banner...Arthur college teammate was our coach my 2nd yr Cory Tate ..and the legend Coach Gray was coach 1st yr before retiring
That documentary brook my heart bcuz I was in those same shoes. I excelled academically but I wasn’t heavily recruited out of high school which made me switch focus from basketball to music
My favorite part of the movie is that after St Joseph lost to Nazareth, Pingatore met with Arthur and you can see the regret on his face of giving up on him during his sophomore year. Than he look even dumber during the State tournament when he was at the audience seeing Marshall led by Arthur finish 3rd place.
I really wanted Arthur to make it.
bro dont change nothing music nothing ur videos are 🔥 and very enjoyable to watch
Damm the title brought me back. Can't wait to watch this.
Any kid that wants to make it pro in sports needs to watch this documentary. Don’t get me wrong going pro is a dream we all had as kids but we forget that for every Messi there’s a thousand Mario Hernandez Slash. We fall in love with the glamour of our favorites athletes but we neglect the skills and luck they had throughout their ENTIRE life.
He got the right hat on at 5:25! lol
Every time I watch this movie I cry. It showed me fairytales don’t exist. Foot work on point!!
Black men crying shocked society says black men don't have emotions
@@entertainingblackmanvideos7691 it is ok to have emotions but it’s not ok to be emotional. Society has never been good to us so I don’t listen but I do pay attention. As I was told when I was child keep ya head on a swivel an everybody not your friend.
@@RobTurner8126 I agree society treats black women with respect and are willing to help them but black men we get the aggressive angry stereotype that even Arthur and Williams had to deal with being black teenagers trying to make it in life.
@@entertainingblackmanvideos7691 pussy has always cost more then an arm an a leg. A man really don’t need help we supposed to be able to do everything .we do need mentors. author did the best he could with what he had it hurt him to see his father crumbled an he stop believing he went further than his dad could ever go. hell my pops left me an was a crack head too. But I wasn’t about to let that get me in this manhood shit you stand on your ten right or wrong. You slowly start to see that failure is the real reward. Look at sole in the hole damn near the same story only one that made it was Kyle above the rim an Jesus shuttlesworth he got game. But regardless what’s going on Fam hold your head high ain’t nothing better then being the man you still can become.
The best sports documentary
Ah hoop dreams. If you haven't watched this, highly recommend you do. Amazing documentary
Hoop Dreams is an incredible movie i watched it multiple times it shows that u have thru go many steps to get the next level
Classic movie I remember looking at this back in the day
Man… I haven’t seen this in so long !
I actually kind of forgot about it .
Like the details of it ,
I remember Hoop Dreams but as for the actual footage it has really slipped My mind.
Grew up on HD thank you
He wanted to be more like Isiah Thomas (who was also an undersized PG.) more than MJ
Anyone have an update on Shannon, Arthur’s best friend? I always wanted a follow up since I first seen this 15 years ago
Much respect to Arthur Agee’s journey ✌🏾
I been waiting on this one as a OG
I gotta rewatch hoop dreams. Totally forgot about it
Great job bro I watch this movie years ago. They both were nice. Can you do Melvin Levitt one of these days for your Ohio fans.