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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2018
- Collingdale, Delaware County, Pennsylvania, United States 900 Block of Pitman 3rd Alarm 2/21/2018. Crews dispatched for a working dwelling fire. Upon arrival command reported a 3 story SFD FULLY involved with extension into the exposures. Crews put lines into the exposure and a deck gun on the original fire building. a collapse zone was set up and the fire building did collapse. Multiple exterior lines were used to control the fire.
It always amazes seeing firefighters poring massive amounts of water on a total lose structure, while ignoring the exposures.
From reading the story on this fire, a 65 year old man was trapped inside and died. May he rest in peace.
Sad, what a way to go
That adjacent homeowner must have been sh*tting in his pants all the while praying that thing doesn't collapse on his side.....
God ya I would be doing the same dang thing
There goes a hundred years of memories
I feel so bad for the neighbours next door
Who else was waiting for the house next door to catch on fire? #protecttheexposures
Mike Summers me
me
Yes, I was. I would have liked to see a consistent 2 I/2in line on the number 2 exposure. Other than that, that house was a total loss before they arrived. I suspect there was a water supply issue.
People like ^this make me wish I could reach through the internet and break fingers
Sirisma 😍😍😍
Gives a total different meaning to "knock down"
The volunteer house siren in the beginning makes it all the more ominous
It's been a rough 24 hours in the county. Briarcliffe last night. Collingdale, Nether Providence & Upper Darby this morning. Please be safe! Great work, as usual Frank!
*Upper Providence*
Greg Oaster Thanks Greg. Was the job on 800 N. Orange St. Media or UP? I couldn't tell and my pager recycled before I got to it. Ton of calls today.
Upper Providence. Not sure where on Orange the boundaries are, but it was 73s jon
Greg Oaster I just read the Daily Times article online and they're saying 900 N. Orange. I thought for sure it was tapped out as 800. I must be getting old.
I just checked. Address was 900
That house looks evil, like it's laughing with fire
Better that it's gone, needed Urban Renewal.
From my couch I can't comment on a 3 minute video...I only had a good view of the A side of the structure,
I have no idea how many lines were going on the B, C, D sides...I'm amazed others saw so much... LOL
One truck wetting on a 3 alarm fire? What were the others, horse drawn? May have been a good idea to attack the bottom of the fire instead of the roof, or let it burn and keep the house next to it soaked
I got there just after the first crews the 2nd and3rd alarms were not even dispatched when this video was taken. But they had extension into 2 exposures so they needed a lot of help for overhaul.
I'll bet they did, lol. Nice catch either way
Steve Franklin maybe you should go sign up,become a voulenteer , fight fires for 10 years and come back with a opinion then?
I see what your saying Glenn Huber, I myself am a volunteer, but where I’m from, you don’t see engine crews hitting the fire on the roof, that’s what the truck crews are for, show up on scene and the structure is fully involved, we just set trucks up, get the ladders in the air, a dump some 800 dam gallons of water on that fire, that was over exaggerating if you couldn’t tell
@@glennhuber4975 No protection to Bravo exposure during collapse. Just standing around chatting. I bet that's what they did when fire was localised. They don't put any water on till the whole place goes up.
"It took several hours to find the homeowner, who was trapped inside. Police identify him as 65- year-old Michael Olcese."
Old house, probably balloon frame, poor guy lived alone, and reportedly had mobility problems. One would hope his neighbors alerted the first responders that Michael was likely trapped inside, but I am guessing not. RIP.
J yes, in an article, it did say he was trapped, and died in the house
The neighbors did alert the first responders he was in there, it was reported as a fire with entrapment on the 911 tape. By the time help arrived it was not safe to attempt to enter the house.
By the time the fire dept got there he was dead.
Needed a 2nd hose to the left of the 1st one.
Worried that the property on the left would catch fire.
Wanted to see more video of this fire.
God Bless all of you
Was that siren at the beginning calling for more volunteer fire fighters, amazing vid.
Yes I can tell it’s a federal signal model 5, commonly used for fire departments!
Say Chief, ya think we shoulde go defensive?
The Incident Commander is the individual who decides how they are going to attack the fire go from station to station and each IC is going to do things differently so don't be hard on the departments or individual ffs at the end of the day we follow orders even if we don't agree.
Excellent thanks frank ⭐⭐⭐⭐
only one line on the fire? I'm sure there was a reason for that?
Where was the 2 1/2" line protecting the #2 side exposure? If you have enough supply to deploy a deck gun, you have plenty of water to protect the exposures.
they sure had the manpower, right? Maybe old water lines, bad hydrants....
To all you know it alls, until 2020 these were voluntary fire companies so they weren't sitting at the station waiting for a call. My hat off to all of them for risking their lives and taking the time for the communities.
I live in a small community in Ohio. We now have enough volunteers to keep someone at the fire house almost 24 7. Big cities don't get there any faster , not really!
Vert good vid thanks. So sad about the occupant. Have watched a few of these and always puzzled by the 'cats cradle' of overhead power lines which hamper the fire fighters in the US, UK powerline are all underground??
Another example of casual fire fighting with a lot of guys standing around itching and scratching without SCBA and ignoring the fire. Other then the deck gun pointed at the top most of the time, other hoses seemed not to exist or were not used. Hardly any effort to protect adjoining houses. Very strange fire scene.
Great footage Frank, thanks
R & J Restoration Station another controlled burn?
Who knows, having been on the job 35 years I have learned that the pictures/videos never tell the whole story. Frank does a great job of covering fires, that’s all.
Thanks
@@rjrestorationstation4402 having been on the job since 1981 I have learnt pictures and videos are a big learning tool. This one serves to show how a big stream controls lots of fire, but also show that first of all, to attack the underlying floors.
@@TheFireControl If It’s safe to do so. Lots of these old city structures are ballon construction, and you know that they can come down around your ears. It’s a crap shoot sometimes. This is were experience and training come into play for sure.
Who the fuck was the IC on this call? No protection on adjacent buildings, and only one monitor on the subject structure. All those white hats walking around and none of the most basic surround and drown procedures followed. They got lucky it didn't jump.
Uh, the BEST way to protect the exposures is to put the fire out. If you stopped to think about it, it looks like they had water supply issues. They had multiple lines with crews on them, but it looked like they didn't have enough water to supply them. GPM's put out fire. Maybe you should think about that first instead of ranting.
There should have been a line onto the side of the house on side B, even a booster line would have sufficient. Your almighty knowledge of firefighting is very weak at best. There was no water supply issues, and protecting exposures on a surround and drown is priority over the burning structure. Putting juice on the burned out structure is a waste of time, that job was gone, no sense in wasting water on that instead of the exposures. By the way not a rant, just an observation jack ass.
Son, I guarantee you that I've been on the job a lot longer than you. And the fact that you'd use a booster line on a working fire just shows how ignorant you are. You weren't there, and you don't know the details, nor can you see the other sides. And oh yes, that WAS a rant.
Don't bother fighting with ffjsb, he goes around to every youtube video he can find on fires and talks down to people like he is actually a firefighter. But he's not. He just chases them around all day because he has nothing better to do.
If you look at the video you will notice they had a line in the exposure.
I believe that's what they call a barn burner!! Nice vid work, BTW - and that collapse at 3:00 unbelievable
Deck guns man love them.
The best exposure protection it´s put the fire out ASAP. In this case, the deck gun must be attacking as the first option, direct from the onboard tank...but in any case, the stream must be directed from 1st to 3rd floor, not 3rd to 1st as seen in the video.
The Building is history,but why they don´t Protect the Building on the left Side. The Heat is so ibntense that the Wall allready smoldering. Not far from a Fire too...
Lappi Lappland, + + +!
Probably because of the time they got there. There were flames already near the house, and they were worried about putting the fire out before it got worse.
Fd arrived on scene to a fully involved fire with extension into the B side exposure. The fire building was a defensive fire due to the interior being unsurvivable the Exposure was saved by the use of an interior attack two lines clearly visible going into the bravo side exposure visible at 1:16. The Delta side of the exposure constructed of bricks mineral based finish won't burn and insulates the flammable material from the radiant heat. Fire fighters doing a coordinated fire attack following orders from the IC and we only have a single point of view with no fireground audio. So we don't know what is happening on the Charlie and Delta sides of the fire building. Please note all of my comments are observational no guessing.
Please explain, how does a 2 1/2 story residential structure rate a full 3 alarm strike by Fire Command ? Also, how does a fully involved structure only a single deck gun/monitor playing water on the fire and no aerial tower(s) nor any Handline(s) not even a handline for a water screen to protect the exposure on "B" side of the fire ??? This must have been another one of those VFD fiascos.
Great capture....
In Toronto Canada, they still order Pumpers (Engines) without Deck Guns. Why? Probably money. One Deck Gun, and two 65mm hose lines (2.5") for the two exposures would be a minimum Defensive attack here IMHO
TFSFireman I serve in kawartha lakes about 2 hrs north east of Toronto we have deck guns on our pumpers .I have yet to see one used at a fire as we usually rely on tanker support water shuttling from dry hydrants creeks lakes etc so usually on arrival we pull a 45 mm handline till the next halls arrive and start relay pumping to the initial attack pumper from portable tanks then well get out the 65mm handlines but where you serve I imagine you have high flow hydrants so a deck gun could be useful .I agree 2 65s put out a lot of water.
I live in Danmark/Scandinavia...and i am shocked how their so called "firefighters" think their on a bonfire mission. You would instantly be "fired" if it was in our society....thank god..to use ur own language. And to see that after 9/11, you cant wonder if things would have turned out differently had dedicated Firefighters had the responsibility.
Great video keep up the good work
Thanks
Lots of guys standing around; a few walking about with some purpose in mind. One stream of water as best as I can see but a couple hoses laying fully charged on the ground. One firefighter bringing a hose back towards the truck.???
looks like the flames had a hot head start..That burned quick..
Quick qustion, why try to safe the house? it's already lost by the looks of it, the house next door could catch fire, the car could go on fire and why are they attacking the roof and not the bottem? I'm by no means an expert in US fire departments so if anyone could answer it?
Water flows down, and heat rises. Water put up high will drop to fire below, theoretically cooling it below combustion point. I agree, it looked strange.but when you attack a fire (in an enclosed space, especially) hit the ceiling and get a steam cloud forming to reduce temp of the fire. But this didn't work well in an open roof structure, as the video shows.
Great video!
Thanks
Close exposure problem not being addressed.
WIres live wires still attached to the house and you are right under it?
I was right down the street from this and I smelled it when I went to school
I think the hose does more damage.. that's serious water pressure,, cool video 👍👍
Was the thought of putting a line or two on the side B exposure enter anybody"s mind? Let me give you a little advice, when the original building is that involved, putting all your lines on it is a waste of time. Concern yourself with exposures.
The building was completely engulfed. Were there any clipboards involved. I could say great job in putting out that fire. Very nice.
As a German Firefighter a lot of this videos on UA-cam surprise me completely...i mean wtf are they doing? Maybe try to protect the House on the left? naaah why should we.... Really sad to see this
Content Updating He said he is a German firefighter. So he is not an "armchair" expert. He is an actual expert, unlike you. Your comment is not well thought out. You should probably look in the mirror before you criticize other people.
Cool video man just subscribed to your channel
Thanks
I love the power of the trucks cannon but even that couldn't put it out , was it made out of oil soaks wood?
OMG how did every thing around it survive........great fire of london comes to mind good work by the US fire service to save the houses next door......timber framed not good
is that alarm i heard some where in the beggining to alert poeple for the fire or was it a fire truck ? im confused
Station siren
935 Pitman Avenue, Collingdale PA.
Elderly man died in the blaze.
Sorry to hear someone died in the fire
Anyo0ne else wondering there are two charged hoses but only the truck mounted water cannon is the ONLY hose laying water on the fire and there is np one cooling the exposure on the neighbor's house. Tons of men milling around and ONE fricking hose in use.
They should watch Stockton CA. Those guys rock!
I feel so sorry
One helluva fire! For that kind of fire I would figure they would have some type of aerial device to help get water on it. I'm guessing that area must not have one.
They might not have had one, space is limited or it is on the C side
I don't like to monday morning quarterback but why wasn't the exposure protected why wasn't there a line wetting down the side of the other building? I saw some post fire pictures of this incident and the apartment building next door was heavily damaged. could have been prevented. Sadly the man in the house passed away
any one else notice the car burning and no one hosed it ?? i would think there would be several lines in use protecting exposes ??
Collapse may have had something to do with blasting the poor old house with 1,000,000 PSI. Who was manning that nozzle, it wasn't doing a whole lot to douse anything except the attic (origin of collapse)
Prime example of how not to tackle a fire, from the top down.
@Mr Sunshines Well, he's kind of right... That's a pretty bad job they did there!
0:10 Fire Station siren going off...Oh-Ohhhh....
B side needed a water curtain to protect that house. Seriously, walking around with a halagon tool on a house fully involved made so much sense what the hell you gonna do with that. Some just don’t belong in the field of firefighteing. Training training training and again more training
Oh no,such a tragedy!! What started the fire? Poor guy,RIP😭🙏🏻🙏🏻
The stream discharged at the third floor, while the two under ita are burning, it´s not a wise selection. Bsds, the best exposure protection it´s putting the fire out ASAP.
Wow it's amazing how many professional firefighters commented on this video. Do this, do that, spray lower, spray higher, spray with less pressure, spray the house next door.
Sucks when you're blitzing the house annnnnnd all the lines are in the way.
love the deck gun.
That is terrifying!!
Note to self...never move to this city. Incompetent firefighting
going to need every fire company in the city
that one big fire Frank Wesnoski
Was that a volunteer fire fighter call siren I heard in the background near the beginning? I know it wasn't a vehicle siren.
GARY HESS yes that was a request for additional assistance
At least they saved the lot
What the hell? Was it made out of magnesium?
Sorry but could you please explain what a 3rd alarm fire is. I’m not into all the jargon thanks
An initial alarm of fire is answered by a pre-determined number of engines (pumpers), aerial appliances (ladder trucks), and other units including chiefs. The makeup of this is variable across jurisdictions and is often based upon the type of occupancy involved.
If the incident commander feels a fire is beyond control with the first alarm assignment he/she can ask for additional units, either individually or by asking for an additional alarm which will be answered by a pre-determined list of units as was done on the first alarm.
In many large cities each area has as many as five alarms set up in their operational plans but with computer-assisted dispatch (CAD) systems it might go higher.
Nice Video
Can't get more "fully involved" than that. lol
Protect your personnel and exposures. Looks to me. Very smart tactics.
The best exposures protection it´s putting the fire out ASAP.
That’s massive
Why was the house siren going of in the beginning of the video
firefightercharles Probably a Retone. for additional manpower
Wow!!!!!! No one wants to squirt water. The car next to the house was starting to melt.
You"ll never get me to live in a wooden deathtrap...
You do.
Ugh who all else noticed there spraying through the power lines. Wow
Those are phone/cable lines. The energized power lines are higher up and they avoided them.
That's hell straight devil right there
uhh power lines?
poor house!
it seemed to me that with a structure as fully involved as this one was, attacking the blaze is pointless, and all effort should be expended to protect exposures.
this place clearly was not salvageable from the time the video commenced.
did they determine the cause?
well shot!
bravo to the fire fighters..they did the best they could
where was your exposure line? very poor commandI understand this was a vol. dept. so stay safe....retired fire officer paid dept.
How did the fire get so out of control in the first place ? Didn't anyone notice smoke before it was fully involved ? Even if people in the neighborhood didn't see the smoke , they had to smell it , nobody wondered where it was coming from ? I used to live in a wooded very rural area where homes could be a mile apart , at night the only way to notice a fire is from the orange glow in the sky , but this is a residential neighborhood , fires make a lot of noise with glass breaking an things bursting and popping , and no one noticed ? As a retired firefighter I would think they would have more than one line in operation , one engine can easily supply 4 lines at 250 gpm , that's more than enough to cool this house off enough so the fire goes out , I do see lines laying on the ground , but none in operation . It's a shame a man lost his life , I doubt if the fire department could have done anything to save him , the building was fully involved when they arrived , he was gone by then .
Good Use of the Deck Gun.
Confused why they didn't do more to protect the building next door.
Holy flying fuck, that thing was toast. Right place at the right time Frank.
Was this an arson fire?
Strange white flashes in the front doorway... looked almost like magnesium burning? Any ideas what that might be? Great video!
That's exactly what I was thinking, wonder if they had a bunch of batteries or something. It certainly is strange for a fire to get that much of a head start, so maybe they had some kind of combustible metals in a large amount that got going, and caused the fire to grow amazingly fast.
That's a power line if you look close enough you'll see the wire coming from the rest to the front of the home
Yer right. And the power poles and lines were really swaying....Maybe from the deck gun stream....
I think that might have been the floors collapsing cause the power line was on the right side because at the end you see when it collapsed it flashed twice even brighter
Thank you firefighters 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💜
that was pretty awesome
Shame about the beautiful house hope no one got injured or killed
WAY TO GO GUYS!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 🚒🚒🚒🚒👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
All water should be on neighbors house.First house is lost.
You're not a firefighter so you can't respond, no common sense responses are allowed. You don't have to be too bright to see where the water should be but firemen know better.
Why is like a siren in the background
Another foundation saved.